Hillary: "If You Don't Want to Support Democrats Then Go Somewhere Else!"
Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 12/15/2018 - 1:39am
Vicious right winger in blue clothing Hillary Clinton shows her true color by issuing rallying cry for the #WalkAway movement https://t.co/RVwhyNOFTu
— zyxygy (@piIgrimoire) December 15, 2018
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And this is why so many
I would like to know from Chris Hedges
what the hole is filled up with that Bill Clinton left behind when he transformed the Democratic into a Republican Party? Is the space just empty now or who moves into into it?
Should we help fill the hole with dirt? Or push the insane into it so that they break their neck?
It is above my paygrade to know what we should do with the hole. Sigh.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I think
we're the ones that ended up in the hole. Old American proverb "been down so long, looks like up to me"
It's empty.
It's the vacancy occupied by the nameless.
The reason they hate Bernie Sanders--and Occupy, for that matter--is that they start to build things where nothing is supposed to exist.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hmmm...
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hillary, I did, already.
And I intend to stay elsewhere.
And, Hillary. I left because I decided, not because you told me.
Hillary, you have no more right to tell me where to go than I do you, but if I might make a suggestion in response to yours, go straight to "hell", or the equivalent thereof.
Hillary, scold me at your peril.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I read somewhere that the tendency
to characterize one's opponent as alternately incredibly weak and amazingly strong is a characteristic of fascism. I wish I had the link or remembered where I read it.
If I could make two habit changes, one of them would be taking note of articles I find insightful and keeping a record of them, rather than relying on memory (hah!)
The other involves soda.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good feisty stuff here in the middle of the night . . .
HRC is so disgusting. Ugh.
Sounds like a good rallying cry to me.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Borderline behavior
This reminds me of the title of that classic book about Borderline Personality Disorder: "I Hate You -- Don't Leave Me".
The gaslighting, shaming, blaming, guilt-tripping, emotional blackmail, accusing people of being Russian bots and dupes ... all spot-on personality-disordered behavior.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Proof, once again,
that this person has no clue to why she lost the election to an even more heinous person. No lessons learned for the $hill. Ain't gonna happen!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Yes....
and it is amazing that the notion of representation has never crossed a single brain cell of hers.
dfarrah
Unsurprising and entirely predictable,
given the nature of the "Blue Wave" of 2018. Anti-Trump hysteria brought out a lot of "vote blue no matter who" Democrats. A lot more corporate Dems were elected than progressives, therefore, they believe that it's been settled, it's their Party. It happened in my state and my district. This is why I called the 2018 elections a net loss for progressives.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
To be fair
A) They would've claimed 2018 as a win for neoliberalism no matter WHAT happened. If an entire slate of justice democrats had been elected it'd still have been a win for neoliberalism... at least in MSM.
B) There were precious few "good guys" running and they were fighting their own party as well as the Republicans.
For me, I'm content with the inroads made although I personally still think the Democratic party is a lost cause.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
They thought it was settled in 1988.
One of Obama's staffers said as much when people were trying to get a public option put into Romneycare, or perhaps even (gasp!) a single-payer system. "That was all decided when Barack Obama was in law school, " they said.
They didn't explain how you can have a republic, much less a democracy, when things are "all decided" decades ago.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ha! Explains, then, O'bummer's
quick acceptance of RomneyCare.
"It's already been decided. Was decided 20 years ago. So, my name on this Plan is as good as any."
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Motherf*ckers.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Half of the 36 elected
are as 'Left' as O'bummer.
The other half CIA or RW "Democrats."
So, a "win" or "loss" is in the eye of the beer holder.
As usual. But I would call it a net win. Barely.
And hoping for same or better results in 2020.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
That is one of my favorite quotes.
Chris Hedges is a very articulate man. Wish I could express my thoughts half as well.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Pumpin' Kamala Harris
Now we know who NOT to vote for in the coming primary.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
You awful racist.
Or is it sexist? Uh...or fascist?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Jingoism
"Democrat -- love it or leave it!"
Dammit Hillary is not the Democrats
People don't support her much more than they don't support the Democrats. It's identity politics where the Democratic Party is supposed to identify with her. The Democrats are our best current option to change things. We can't just give that party to the oligarchs without a huge fight. Let's not cave to corporatism and the defeatism and cynicism they're trying to instill in us.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Why not?
OK granted, the green party is structurally broken... possibly beyond all repair. But really, wouldn't you prefer to start with a clean slate than a party that is already corrupted down to it's by-laws? Any fixing within the Democratic party is going to have to involve some serious tear-down first.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
The fundamental thing here
is that no one has any idea how to get power away from Hillary, Bill and their friends. They can apparently do anything, lose as badly as it is possible to lose, screw over half their party repeatedly in full view of everyone, commit fraud, and actually commit crimes (exposing highly secure information to the world), crimes for which other (ordinary) people wear a bracelet on their ankle, and still deliver lectures to the public.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Too late. Happened a very long time ago.
Though, I don't think we knowingly gave it to the oligarchs. I'm not even sure they took it. I think it was theirs from the beginning.
There is no difference between the the oligarchs and the oligarchs. Team Blue is no different from Team Red. They say different shit publicly in an attempt to keep us hoodwinked, to keep us divided, to keep the seriously gullible ones thinking their team is made up of the good guys. Oligarchs vs oligarchs = oligarchs win.
It's all a sham. I know you still believe in the sham that the super heroes, aka Team Blue, will save the world from evil Team Red, but there are no super heroes, saviors, or good guys on either "team". But both teams keep getting suckers to donate and vote and believe they are riding in to save the world from the evil other team. Business as usual.
I think they took it, because there was a perceptible
historical change, as well as specific historical events that the Clintons and Al From engineered, events that we all know about. For instance, I guarantee you that the Kochs were not on the board of any major Democratic organization before 1985.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
1985
And then the Dems became the Koch-suckers we know them as today!
(With apologies to honest, hard-working gay men everywhere!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Love ya, than.
(With apologies to honest, hard-working gay men everywhere!)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
love ya too, CSTMS!!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Unfortunately, she and her allies
still run the Democrats. It's her party to ruin.
To date, no challenge to their rule has succeeded. It's now been more than twenty-five years, by the most conservative estimate. Thirty would be more accurate.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yup, does Hillary want the throne back?
The throne room has been empty since Hillary went into the woods, but looks like she wants the throne back. I thought Obama might want it, but he is too busy making money and hanging out with the rich and powerful getting his fill of ego strokes.
People have been trying to change the DP from the inside
for many decades and it only goes where it wants to not where we want it to go. Both parties are just as corrupt as they both vote for illegal wars, bank deregulation and no single payer health care to name a few things. Trump is not doing anything that Obama's administration did, he is just more open about it. However the few things Obama didn't do is on the environment issues except he did open up more areas for drilling.
Differences between Obama and Trump.
Obama is urbane, polished and suave. Trump is nasty, low class and uncouth.
Obama is very much the articulate folksy Harvard professor. Trump is very much the nasty brutal Jersey low-life. Obama tells lies that that are hard to check. Trump tells bald-faced lies.
Policy differences? Maybe you can slip a playing card between them. Maybe not.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
In a nutshell
Got it in one. Caitlin wrote an article saying that Trump isn't the new Hitler, he's the old Obama..
Pretty much don't you think?
Obama vs. Trump
More like a 0.0005" (1/2000 inch) feeler gauge.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Well, Obama loves his trade treaties.
Trump not as much.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
non credo aut comprehendo
(I do not beLIEve or understand.)
And the Democratic Party does identify with her, will or nill the rest of us. Donores maximi locuti sunt (the largest Donors have spoken), and that's that.
"How dare you un-rich question My Majesty!" -- H. Clinton
False. With rare exceptions -- so rare they may as well not exist -- today's Democrats are Republicans. And not even progressive Republicans of the mold of Theodore Roosevelt or Fiorello LaGuardia, or even mellow centrists like Ike Eisenhower, either, but full-blown economic and policy clones of Ronald Reagan who offer up just enough lip-service to progressive ideals to keep their bait-and-switch scams in operation. Yes, there are still a very few Jeanette Rankins and Raul Grijalvas out there, but they're considered fringe elements and are far from calling the shots and running the show. And no new ones are being coined, either; it seems that every time someone like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez gets elected on a genuinely progressive platform, those ideals get trashed for "go along to get along" as soon as she actually takes office.
"We're all capitalists now!" -- Non-Representative Nancy Pelosi, D-CA
They have it now, lock, stock, and barrel. A strong case can be made that it's always been theirs; other Commenters in this thread are arguing it. Myself, at age 60 I'm barely old enough to remember a Democratic Party which still fought for the ordinary working-class American, the anomaly which existed from 1945 to 1975 in the continuously-loyal States. Bill and Hillary Clinton killed that Democratic Party stone dead, as it is today.
Again, I mean you no disrespect, Timmethy; but cynicism is the sole realistic attitude given the facts as they are. And those facts boil down to this: if the Democratic Party ever sided with us, it does so no more. And a Democratic Party which fights for working-class people cannot simultaneously support the likes of Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, and Company (D-Wall Street). The ancient wisdom "no man can serve two masters" adamantly applies here. The working class has nothing in common with the boss class and their investor-class masters. Their interests are diametrically opposed:
source
No one can serve both. Even a political party must decide which class it's going to fight for, and fight that fight exclusively of the interests of the other class. And both major American parties have chosen to serve major finance capital and fuck the working class.
So let me ask you this, Timmethy: how do you propose going about making today's "Democratic" Party into an organization which serves the needs and interests of ordinary working Americans?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Hillary makes Ike look like Henry Wallace.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Great comment and great quotation.
Thing is, the "interests" of the very rich have gotten so extreme that they don't even represent their own real interests anymore. How can any human's "interests" lie in making the planet they live on inimical to human life? Whether by industrial petrochemical pollution or by nuclear fallout, the end result is a planet that not only will support about 6 or 7 billion less people than are currently alive, but will also be overwhelmingly free of human civilization, which cannot survive the death of billions of people in a handful of decades. I get that the very rich number fewer than 1/2 billion, so it's all good as far as their survival goes--or at least we think it probably is...nobody really knows because nobody's weaponized the atmospheric system of an entire planet before--but even supposing all the .01% survive along with a small handful of human employees and enough machines to make their lives possible, how is it more pleasurable, more comfortable, or more fun for a rich person to trade the world they were born into, which they basically own, and from which they continuously reap the most unimpeded impulse satisfaction available to humankind, including the pleasure of bossing most of the rest of their fellow humans, for a fucking bunker in a narrow zone of arable land surrounded by barbed wire with barely breathable air and shitty weather? What exactly is the fucking appeal of this apocalypse? Being able to jump up and down on the ashes and bones and yell "We won! WE WON!!"
Additionally, if human labor is still required for security and other purposes, how the hell are the rich going to continue to be the 1%, the bosses, when the civilization that made their wealth meaningful is gone? Joss Whedon has a good point here, which applies to much more than his partisan frame would indicate:
"Money is only so much paper to the undead. The 1% will not be the very rich. They'll be the very fast. Anyone who can run, fight, make explosives out of household chemicals, or especially do parcourt of any kind...you'll want to stick with them."
I'm assuming of late that this fact explains the 1%'s otherwise insane obsession with mind control, which rivals the silliest B-grade science fiction from the fifties you've ever seen. "Perception management" and "opinion management" are, after all, rather pointless when you've got so much high-tech military power that populist military uprising has become a mild to moderate inconvenience to your class. Further, I don't believe that sociopaths and psychopaths, who are the only kind of humans that would willingly pursue the goal of planetary destruction, give a damn about the condemnation in the eyes of their victims, so, to put it bluntly, why the hell do they care what we think? The only logical explanation I've come up with is that they want their perception management techniques to be spot-on by the time that everything falls apart, so that their security forces don't turn the guns on them.
But then again, perhaps logic is the wrong thing to look for in the actions of those who have created a public discourse intentionally bereft of reason, where every free thinker faces more or less continual attempts to put them in a cage of discreditation littered with smears whose content, generally, is about twenty or thirty years past its sell-by date and, consequently, fills the air with the fetid smell of garbage.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Wonderful Comment, CSTMS!
"I can see by your coat, my friend, that you're from the 'Other Side'
There's just one thing I've got to know; can you tell me please: who won?"
-- "Wooden Ships" David Crosby/Paul Kantner/Steven Stills
[video:https://youtu.be/hIccZsURyLc]
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Thanks, than
Sometimes I open my mouth and more comes out than I expected.
Yeah, it's a pretty good rant. Pretty well sums up my politics, or the foundation of my politics, anyway.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They'll think they won because
THEY will be the boss in their Galtland refugia.
I recently read about a paid consultation by a futurist to some billionaires where a dominant question was: how will they maintain control over their private armies aka "security forces". Good question. Control the food supply? Get them hooked on heroin?
Ah, here's the link. Interesting read, window into the actual thinking of the Galtigarchs.
https://medium.com/s/futurehuman/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1
This fantasy has been kicking around since we been "Ayn-Randed, nearly branded, a communust, cause I'm left-handed". What was the Galt book, Atlas Herniated? The refuge in the Rockies with invisibility camo?
Yes, they anticipate collapse/catastrophe/Singularity and are planning for it. And they're asking the hard questions about how to do it. They want to keep the masses as ignorant and denialist and helpless as possible as long as possible, to give them time to buy New Zealand, build their castles, train their dogs.
One of the most meaningful comments on the situation was in Bob The Angry Flower:
http://www.angryflower.com/348.html
Bear in mind the incredible wealth and power they can bring to bear. Wealth for tech and property and labor; military-grade power ala Blackwater with tanks and air force. After all, Prince is in the billionaire club. This is why I say the Deep State is Wall Street, if there is such a thing - it's just good old-fashioned robber barons, with plans. Asheville/Biltmore writ large.
They'll make slave raids from their refugia into surviving populations for labor as needed. Shock collars, anyone? We'll feed you!
But I'm talking about the guys with the guns who are
tasked with protecting them in the early stages of the transition and just after. I hope most of those guys have very low IQs, because anybody with sense would turn the guns on their rich bosses before they got out the shock collars, as soon as the structure of civilization failed. The rich derive much more power from civilization than they like to admit; without the concept of rule of law, and some additional political and ideological concepts, they have to rely on force, which means they have to rely on human and "robot" (in the strict sense of the word, not in the Robbie the Robot sense) troops. Even their hoarding of vital resources means nothing if they have no way of keeping possession of them. Without politics and the law, they can only rely on force to do that. The amount of force they can bring to bear singly, by family, or even all united together, is inconsequential, so they have to pay people not in their tribe to acquire enough force to matter. That's easier to do when you have the laws, economic strictures, customs, and bureaucracies of civilization. In Mad Max world, it would be harder to maintain control of your troops, particularly when you've never done anything to gain their respect.
Addiction is an idea, and I wouldn't be surprised if they took that route. However, civilization would have to degrade far beyond where it currently is before they could get away with forcing their private security forces to take an addictive drug. Inside the military, inside prisons--those are the only places where I think you could force somebody to do something like that. And getting a total monopoly on the drug, so that the guy could only come to you to get it...that too would be hard.
Thanks for the link--I'm most interested to see what's there, because this is one of the few questions I genuinely don't know the answer to (about our current political situation, not about life, the universe, and everything...there's lots I don't know the answer to).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Very true
"The rich derive much more power from civilization than they like to admit"
Keep an eye on Puerto Rico. They're agitating to turn it into a crypto-currency haven, or a land-based version of the Sea Stead. They think the hurricane's devastation has given them a blank page to write on. American territory, but a weak colony, with a governor in their pockets, and tons of manufactured debt to exploit.
I expect we'll see a spectrum of plans from the owners; some are deeper into the Galtland fantasy than others. What really scared me is that they are actively researching how to control their armed minions under extreme conditions.
For every left wing democratic vote they lose
They’re gonna pick up two republican ones...or something like that, right?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Karma even took note of the state he mentioned.
Schumer: 'For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia'
Worked perfectly, eh?
But all's well, Schumer's resurrected in the esteem of some other site because he said something about North Dakota and Indiana in a White House meeting with the President he enabled.
Yep, that’s the plan
As the republican party goes farther into trumpism (openly racist and a celebration of ignorance and belligerence), the more moderate/centrist republicans are turning to the democrats. The democrats are already the party of neoliberal, “business-friendly” technocrats who consider themselves moderate, centrist, and pragmatic.
Leftists, socialists, progressives, whatever label they choose, have no party or structure. And unfortunately, too many remain fixated on the dem party, so there’s no movement to create a new structure for their agenda. Wandering in the wilderness.
I’m not particularly hopeful at this point that any left party or movement will ever coalesce. It feels like “we” cannot even agree on goals or an agenda, much less a plan to win power.
But regardless, Hillary’s advice here is for once correct. If you don’t want to support democrats, then don’t. They have made it clear. It’s time to stop supporting democrats and go somewhere else. Maybe if enough would do this, something viable could come together as an alternative.
If wishes were fishes...
That was my take when Marcos said it too
Yup, it IS good advice. Is this party well-aligned with my own sense of ethics, morality, policy and priorities? No, it is not -- not by light years. So it's excellent advice to then see it as my enemy and seek other allies to fight with. When Marcos pointed this out to me, I realized that the Democrats were identical to the Republicans in my mind... both enemies of the goals I personally cherish. It was the last bit of my brand-loyalty being sloughed off.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Marcos needs an editor.
"for once" she was right? Did he just admit her advice is always bad?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Nope.. I failed to attribute the quote
It was a quote from the previous poster I was responding too which I don't normally attribute. See @CS in AZ's post.
I doubt Marcos would ever let something so un-fatuous slip out of his keyboard.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Ha!
Good one.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
That's KOS News for ya
vote the party, no matter what Dixiecrat, Bluedog, Joe Lieberman, republican supporting package de feces they put up. Vote D!
Do we have the resources to make anything coalesce?
That's where I was going with my Outside the Asylum series back in August, before the world fell in on me in various ways.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hey, I've got an idea.
AOC for President! That way the democratic party left can stay and all democrats can be happy. We can amend the constitution, not to change our political system, but to elect AOC!
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/12/18134945/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-pre...
Vox politics == Markos Moulitsas
You do realize that when you see "vox.com" in a political article's URL, that the byline should read "Markos Moulitsas" at all times, n'est-ce pas? Markos is one of Vox's founders, and politically Vox == TOP. Anybody who writes bylined political articles for Vox is certain to be a Kos Klone.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Holly Figueroa O'Reilly
”We now know several Russian officials reached out to a half-dozen Republicans very close to Trump and his campaign, including his eldest son, his closest adviser, his lawyer, and his campaign manager."
She was also one of the organizers for the anti-Trump and anti-Russia March for Truth protest in 2017.
Appears she's democratic party gatekeeper, imperialism supporting Russia basher who doesn't like Clinton. That's pretty much what this is all about. An intra-party squabble between the so called blue progressives, or the Bernie wing, and the Clinton wing. I don't think there's any reason to get pissed at Clinton on this unless you still want to support the democratic party.
what this is all about
There's reason aplenty to "get pissed at Clinton on this" regardless. It means she's still a public figure, which means she's still too goatdamned close to getting her harpie claws on the existing levers of power in the USA -- the only country most of us have any option to live in.
This Essay is about a very real problem facing all American 99%ers. And there are only a very few possible fixes: Revolution delivered in full and in power, or Hillary in prison, or permanently and privately retired. No others.
(MAS GRANDE sledgehammer clue for Hillary Clinton: Retire. NOW. Go back home, become a private person, and spend more time with your family. Most of the Americans who want anything worse for you would probably forget you exist if you would just let them! PLEASE!!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I think most people who get pissed about this
are people who still support or want to support the democratic party and believe Clinton and the corporate dems are in the way. I also think most of those getting pissed at this are Sanders supporters who are still pissed that he got "ripped off".
I say that because I don't and won't support the democratic party and it doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, it just strengthens the need to trash the duopoly. This is how these tribal political parties work, Clinton isn't alone in thinking this about support for the party. She views it as a battle between two sides and if you aren't fully on their side you are hurting the cause. They don't understand it any other way.
He did get ripped off...
More importantly, so did the people who voted for him--I'm never going to be quiet about election fraud even in an electoral system that's wholly fraudulent anyway--but that's no reason to be a Democrat. Quite the opposite!
But then, loyalty to individual leader figures is something that comes hard to me...at least having it be the kind of burning number-one priority it is for some people comes hard to me. There's only been one or two times in my life where I've felt anything approaching that. The reason I mind Bernie being ripped off goes far beyond my distress at his mistreatment (and yeah, I think he was mistreated; I'm even one of the "conspiracy theorists" who believes that big bruise on his forehead at the convention didn't come from walking into a wall).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
As for getting pissed at Clinton...
What do you mean, "getting?"
Also, I think it's always permissible to show that a bully is a bully--and that a hypocrite is a hypocrite.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hillary Publicly Pimping for Harris
Like watching Inspector Clouseau thinking out loud, Hillary seems to forget we can actually hear her.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
We have no ears, no eyes, no brain in her mind.
In her mind, we are only sheep to be shorn.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I did.
Glad you approve, Madam Secretary.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The weeding out process
Of deplorables, I suppose.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I'm only sorry
It took me so long.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ok
#Demexited2016
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Just today,
I made a criticism of Beto taking Big Oil money, and my Hillary Supporter said Beto announced these were just individuals who worked in the industry, because even oil executive are democrats sometimes, it's Texas, when a person campaigns, they need lots of money.
The chat ended because my friend says she will not listen to any democrats complaining about democrats. Democrats fight each other, republicans all get along, and in-fighting democrats caused Trump to win.
The End.
She was getting really angry. When I got the chance to end the lecture and change the subject, we switched to grocery shopping.
I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Count yourself blessed
You weren't called a Russian bot or Putin lover.
But isn't that what they always say when you say that someone is in big oil's pockets? "It's just the workers who donated not the company." Why people feel that they have to go out of their way to defend people who do things you don't like is beyond me. Or defend someone who does something indefensible.
BTW. Did you see the Jimmy video I posted in Arendt's essay? Think that Linda might enjoy watching it?
That would certainly cause
a bad work day!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
So not worth the risk?
You don't think it would show her how quarkked out Rachel is and maybe open her eyes?
Once in a while
I can slip in a little criticism and correction. She does occasionally listen to Jimmy Dore.
She admires Rachel's intelligence, that Rhode's Scholar thing, indeed, is significant.
Whereas my reaction is nobody that intelligent could be that stupid about Russia. It is fake. Rachel knows better.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I haven't been following Beto closely
... and so I will need to check up on this. But my understanding is that his first moves are to go do the rounds on the donors casting couches. If he, in fact, went and consulted with the powers that be rather than "we the people" then that's all I really need to know. I also know that anyone the DNC wants, I don't.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Uh, where's the quote?
I'm not on Tooter, and I don't give it permissions, so it's a little tedious digging thru it. What venue did she make this statement in? (which totally smells like HER typical arrogance)
Anyone lame enough to lose to a game-show host has no room to speak.
There's a special place in hell for neolib imperialists.
The clip doesn't make it clear
But it looks like 60 Minutes to me.