The Dose ~ TH 21 OCT 21

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An open thread to discuss vaccine related views.

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Due to the inadequate health system response, children suffer.

“This worsening crisis in child and adolescent mental health is inextricably tied to the stress brought on by COVID-19 and the ongoing struggle for racial justice, and represents an acceleration of trends observed prior to 2020,” according to a joint statement from the medical groups.

https://newsus.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-21/Children-s-mental-health-declare...

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Off topic: I need some instruction for my Open Thread - how do I get either another photo or a photo with some text above the line in the preview of the thread???? Inquiring minds want to know.

ANd... how do I edit when I see a mistake without the scheduler asking for a new time??

QMS, I just got that each OT should be accompanied by The Dose OT/Covid Corner. Thank you for doing those. I'm still getting the hang of the tools and photos while dodging all kinds of construction and occasional bad health days.

The OT should be coming right up.....

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A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.

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But the nails would indicate something slothish.

No worries about the dose thingy, got you covered.
As to the other posting issues, I may not be the best one
here to explain. In my experience, I edit before posting with
no change to the scheduler. Same with editing after being posted.
The changes will show up without altering much else.
Some posters will stick in a line to say "edited to include ..."
You can play around with it. It's not all that tricky.

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Place your mouse cursor where you want the break at and then click the A/B icon above text editor. That will establish the break that will display the teaser on the CC page.

Off topic: I need some instruction for my Open Thread - how do I get either another photo or a photo with some text above the line in the preview of the thread???? Inquiring minds want to know.

Make edits as you normally would and then click the Save button, the scheduler should not ask to be updated.

ANd... how do I edit when I see a mistake without the scheduler asking for a new time??

There's plenty more info on how to use the editor and the icons in the FAQs.

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A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.

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https://twitter.com/NYCMayorsOffice/status/1450867772834164736

Not kidding.

Mayor de Blasio has offerred all City workers, Cops, Firemen, Teachers, Office workers,Heath Workers, ALL, a clear choice.

Get your vaccine and a $500.00 debit card as a reward, or NO PAY FOR YOU.

No more taking a test every week.

Hardline. Take your shot or starve.

As I wrote yesterday, the new Progressive line is "What's the fuss about? We have always mandated vaccines."

The answer, obviously, is that this vaccine has not stood the tests of time for usefulness or safety.

The appropriate analagous situation is that many people get a yearly flu shot, with the understanding that the flu shot is the lab's best effort to respond to this year's flu strain. It does not promise any more than that. It is not mandatory.

Is that not closer to what the Covid reality is? Might lessen symptoms.

No mandates whatsoever by the government for a barely tested vaccine is what makes sense to me.

Oh. Right. Not sense. CENTS. Lots of Cents, that's the point. Amd Control. Ahhhhhh now I got it.

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NYCVG

@NYCVG
virtually guarantees a two house (three if you count WH) swing.

Term TWO for Donald? Who’d’of thought that would even be conceivable?

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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@NYCVG

I’d say that people have the right to refuse to take the vaccines because they are not as safe as Fauci and Walensky are saying. They know damn well that millions of people are having adverse effects from them and thousands of others have died from them. And yet daily they are saying that they are perfectly safe. VAERS Is the CDC website and many doctors and regular people have spoken with them to tell them of the injuries so they can’t say that they aren’t aware of any adverse effects. But then that’s exactly what they are saying. Daily.

There are pages and pages of stories about injuries and deaths on just this one website. Facebook had a site with hundreds of thousands of people who had been injured and were looking for answers removed for no reason and leaving them on their own to get answers. Millions of people worldwide have gotten them without problems and good for them, but for others not so much and the media is doing its best to down play and hide the injured. Read just a few of the stories and witness the pain of families who are grieving and/or left with high medical bills. Big pharma isn’t responsible for paying for injuries nor are insurance companies and the vaccine injured compensation program isn’t worth a crap. Hoops and hoops to jump through only to get turned down anyway. More medical bankruptcies on the way. Yay for hedge funds.

Too many people have no idea that this is happening and they poo poo anyone who questions the vaccines safety or worse yet they cheer people getting fired for not getting vaccinated and poo poo those who quit their jobs because of the mandates. Hospitals, fire and police departments, teachers and countless other professions are left with a staggering hole in their work force and guess who is probably going to take the jobs? The NY governor told us who. Foreign workers. See Zed's essay on why that was probably always the plan. But still people are cheering for more to be fired.

Read the replies:

While Loftis said the agency will step up recruitment efforts, training will come with a hefty price tag. It is estimated that the mass exodus could cost taxpayers $12.4 million, as about $168,000 per year is needed to train just one cadet, and the WSP has lost 67.

I’m tired of hearing about how overwhelmed hospitals are because the bad unvaxxed are overwhelming them. No talk about how many medical staff were let go during lockdown or how many hospitals were closed because some f’cking CEOs wanted more money. No it’s just those empty headed anti vaxxers that are causing all the problems.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg
immediately post vax I got significant increase in both systolic and diastolic BP’s that is my new normal. I’m not in the VAERS system, like most with sub critical adverse effects. Why bother, no one is counting and compiling such data.

I will (hopefully) be able to opt out of any possible future mandates. Another BP jump of that magnitude would likely kill me.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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@ovals49

My last ER trip was because my BP was 220/160. That’s very dangerous but because no one could figure out why it kept spiking it wasn’t very concerning to the doctor. He asked me what I wanted him to do for me. I just looked at him and finally said that if I stroke at least I’m can get quick treatment. I was dumbfounded that anyone would ask that question. I’m not risking my life. Period.

Good luck with your new issue. It’s unfortunate that you are left with dealing with it without compensation for your bills and lifetime worries. How did insurance companies get out of covering people’s health problems from them? Employers are not giving out religious exemptions because they wouldn’t be able to put people in positions where they can still help out because they’d be under staffed. So they’re firing them instead. Guess that’s not being under staffed for some reason. Courts are no help either. Brennan refused to hear a case from nurses and gawd only knows how they are going to rule on medical exemptions. No one should have to play Russian roulette with their body. Especially when big pharma is off the hook for accountability. Trump did that..he also shutdown the country to start this whole nightmare..but he’s still responsible for every deaths that happened during his tenure. Biden is exempt from any of the deaths since though for you know reasons. Immigrants are also exempt from vaccines and are being sent all over the country even when they test positive. Make that make sense.

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as though there is the beginning of some resistance to mandates. RT is reporting that Southwest is easing up on vaccine mandates (thanks to pressure from employees which the company apparently will not admit).
Here's the story:
https://www.rt.com/usa/537913-southwest-rescinds-vaccine-unpaid-leave/

The passenger carrier will no longer force employees awaiting decision on a religious or medical exemption to the Biden administration's mandatory vaccine order to take unpaid leave until their cases are decided, according to a Friday memo obtained by CNBC on Tuesday. Southwest has confirmed the authenticity of the memo, which gives employees until November 24 to either get vaccinated or apply for an exemption.

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The corporations are in total control of the govt's. Whether or not it's the TTP, WTO, WEF etc.etc.etc. the corporations and elites are having a go at controlling it all

https://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=33539802

This is mainstream news now (governments contractually obligated to defending the vaccine no matter the side effects, government protection against lawsuits, secret contracts, countries banned from donating excess to other countries, prices set to highest the markets can afford to pay, rigid protection of patents, incredible profits, etc.). Compare this to the Russian or Chinese vaccines which are purposely not available to much of the world:

seattletimes.com

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Already shared with fam & friends. Terminally CUTE!

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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Yup..same with the military taking jobs from civilians. Get used to seeing it.

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Here’s Pfizer’s contract with countries. Thread.

Even if ivermectin gets full approval countries still have to uphold their contracts with them because it took so much effort and money to create them. Well unless they got help from government and are getting tax breaks because of course they are. Billions are at stake for them and their stockholders you know. Much more important than people’s lives.

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@snoopydawg It also sounds as if they knew this was coming as it was "Gain of Function"

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-covi...

NIH Admits Funding Gain-Of-Function COVID Experiments; Gives EcoHealth Five Days To Report Data

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh
Seems to gain in functionality with the more twisted their response is to this endemic.
As Spock would say, irrational. Wink

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@QMS tell me lies, only the lies aren't "sweet little"

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0]

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

worldwide picture in vaccine passports. Lithuania, France, Greece, Italy, Indonesia, AUS are sweeping or near-strict, with Canada ratcheting up restrictions. Depressing and disturbing. Particularly troubling is the video image of diners at outdoor cafes in France producing their digital passports when approached by Fr police. Reminds me a bit of 1944 and French people being forced to show their papers, only not for the French police.

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Both tweets. Excerpt from 2nd.

“There will be no exceptions to this policy,” Biden said. “If you walk into a VA hospital for cancer treatment and aren’t vaccinated, the shot will go up your behind before you start chemo. It’s that simple. Protect yourself and others from COVID-19, or we’ll stop protecting you from everything else. Comprende, negranos?”

“It should go without saying that this order makes no sense whatsoever,” said VFW spokesperson Tommy Fitzhugh. “This administration is jeopardizing the health of American veterans by claiming to have an interest in their health and wellbeing. Joe Biden is out of his mind.”

“I just don’t trust the government, especially after my experience in the service and watching how they handle business and care for the people they’re supposed to represent,” said U.S. Army veteran and Ohio resident John Bigolballs. “We just witnessed a complete debacle in Afghanistan where 13 American service members died because of our incompetent and hasty withdrawal. Why did I even fight over there again? Nothing is what it seems. They’ll let me drink myself to death, drive myself crazy with PTSD, live on the street, but COVID-19 is the end of the world all of a sudden? Things never quite add up. It doesn’t seem fair

I believe it’s a fake website like the Onion because of the other story headlines.

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I believe it’s a fake website like the Onion because of the other story headlines.

The tell is “ U.S. Army veteran and Ohio resident John Bigolballs…….

LOL

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
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@ovals49

Wasn’t till I looked at the other headers. I just thought Biden was off his meds..t hee.

"Until you take it in the ass" should have been my first clue though.

It does look like Fauci lied to congress too. Hope Paul goes after him for it but I’m not holding out any hope.

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@CB The cell line they are referring to is the HEK-293 cell line. This is one of the most commonly used cell lines used in medical/biotech research, development and production. It is a common method for the production of antibodies and recombinant proteins used in medicine today. I have used this cell line often in my work. If you were to eliminate everything that was developed using this cell line for research, testing or production there would be many useful medicines that would be unavailable that people rely on.

https://www.hek293.com/

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@innatimm
Personally I don't care as I have no religious grounds not to use fetal material for medical purposes. But those who do object due to religious grounds should not be lied to or misinformed.

This moral objection predates any medical uses of fetal tissue. You can take it up with the writers of the First Amendment.

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I am somehow on PC's list and get daily (or more) e-mails from them which tend to get relegated to trash about as quickly as those from DK as PC appears to have wandered far from their roots as a consumer-advocacy roots.

While critical of Big Pharma, PC doesn't seem to be openly critical of the liability shield that protects vaccine makers from liability. And while they (sort of) called out Gilead for pushing Remdisevir over another promising anti-viral, GS-441524 that Gilead also held the patent to (and was cheaper, likely safer) but whose patent was due to expire five years before Remdesivir's, they haven't been beating any drums for cheap and safe existing therapeutics.

However - perhaps Public Citizen are getting their heads right. As has been pointed out above, some of Pfizer's contracts have leaked out and a PC report is helping to expose how Pfizer escapes liability for itself and locks in support from contracting countries (while raking in megabuck profits).

A couple selections from the "Binding Terms" to be incorporated into Pfizer's contract with Peru:

Pfizer-Peru Binding Terms 1.jpg

Pfizer-Peru Binding Terms 2.jpg

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with Yeti pups. Smile Awww, how cute!

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

I have traveled through Panama, Ecuador, Costa Rica, looking for one. ...only sloth I saw one dead on the side of the road in Panama, and one up in the tree in Costa Rica.
I will go back, and I will see more sloths.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981