The Dose 02-28-22

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The Dose is an open thread dedicated to the gentle discussion of of all things Covid. Please refrain from posting covid material elsewhere. Thank you.

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Lookout's picture

however the European day month year has 10 more.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0sA3CAPcl8]
15 min Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
Natural immunity is more robust than vaccination, which seems obvious, but now there's an experiment and data to support the idea.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout fully vaxed and boosted people, just double vaxed. Also only looked at cases of the Delta variant. So it’s only a start, not completely definitive.

Also, given the debilitating and disabling effects of long term COVID — and we’re only just starting to grasp those — our goal should still be to NOT get infected at all from an individual and collective public health perspective.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

@TB mare

our goal should still be to NOT get infected at all from an individual and collective public health perspective.

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As it is in China.

Unfortunately, no nation has a vaccine that helps us achieve this goal. So, prevention is everything.

Vaccines and early treatments can work as prophylaxis in some cases, and can help mitigate the suffering of infections.

As yet, we have no answer and no solution.

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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato

@Pluto's Republic Enact all the public health tools appropriate for a lethal viral pandemic, not the single tool of the vaccines. Zero COVID in other words. What we lack as a country is the will to carry them out because, unfortunately for humanity, markets and the economy are believed to be more important to save than our actual lives.

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snoopydawg's picture

doesn’t mean that the elite have given up ruling the world. Oh noes they are going to have everything in place for the next epidemic that Gates says is sure to happen.

BEYOND THE PANDEMIC

PANDEMIC TREATY TALKS UNDERWAY — GENEVA – Loyce Pace, the assistant secretary for global affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, is in Geneva meeting with WHO and other global health leaders about a potential treaty to help lay the framework for an international response to the next pandemic, POLITICO’s Erin Banco writes. It’s Pace’s first trip to this city as assistant secretary.

Backdoor talks: The U.S. has been involved in backdoor discussions with the WHO on the treaty and how to strengthen the organization. A focus of the Biden administration’s combating Covid-19 and preparing for the next pandemic: Equity.

“It's clear to us that an important question that needs to be addressed through any instrument is the question of equity. How that happens, the approach we take … is something that we need to discuss with member states starting tomorrow,” Pace said in a briefing with reporters Wednesday. She added that the equity conversation, while important, is unlikely to come up in any significant way until the procedural and process discussions around the formation of a body to oversee the drafting of the convention take place.

“We are just as anxious as anyone to really start to build that out,” she said.

So what else are they doing to get ready for it?

WHO making moves on international vaccine 'passport'

The World Health Organization will convene member states and leaders of Covid-19 immunization credential technology groups to recognize different vaccine certificates across nations and regions, a top Vaccination Credential Initiative official told POLITICO’s Ben Leonard.

The WHO is bringing together the groups to develop a “trust framework” that would allow countries to verify whether vaccine credentials are legitimate, said Brian Anderson, chief digital health physician at MITRE and a co-founder of the VCI.

Why it matters: The effort would aid international travel by allowing proof of vaccination to be more easily shared and verified, Anderson said. Many countries and regions have different standards for proof of inoculation, creating confusion for travelers and officials.

“It’s piecemeal, not coordinated and done nation to nation,” Anderson said. “It can be a real challenge.”

The WHO would say only that news on the topic should be coming “soon.”

I’m wondering if they will even bother to do trials for the next vaccine since the ones they did for Covid can’t actually be called trials in the first place. Not since they rolled them out before they could possibly know any long term effects and unblinded the control group before the problems we’re seeing now happed. And why would they? They’ve seen people willing to get them without questioning whether they are safe or not or if they would work. We’ve seen that they don’t, but people are still happy to take as many jabs as recommended. And say that injuries from them aren’t true.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg was placing development of the vaccine passport into the hands of a global bank.
You know, banks have vast experience and credentials for storing and sharing our private health information.
Oh, wait...

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@snoopydawg But onto a brighter note that unfortunately we won't hear about

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-trucker-convoy-swells-it-moves-ac...

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

snoopydawg's picture

@ggersh

They will be met by a boatload of cops from all agencies as well as the national guard and Biden has put back the fence around the capital. I’m sure that it’s also loaded with FBI goons to create some type of violence just so Biden can crack down on them. 1st amendment right to protest? lol it doesn’t exist anymore. But then maybe nothing bad will happen.

I wonder how many of them are aware that many states already have that vaccine passport being discussed by the WHO? Utah was one of the first to get it. No mandates though but on board with the passport. We should do a poll. How long till the next epidemic? My bet is 2 years. Anyone else?

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@snoopydawg delusional leader is calling the shots...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EztVHjghJg]

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

snoopydawg's picture

@ggersh

Why aren’t you happy about having more money to spend according to Joe? And boy he sure did bring people together. Look at how well the people in NATO are worse to bring nice things to Russia.
I wonder what the shitlibs think when they see that?

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