DailyKos member since 2003, now banned in the middle of the night.

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I have been a member of DailyKos since October of 2003. I joined way back during the Dean campaign and have been active ever since. I've been a trusted user for most of the history of the site and I've had a number of posts make the recommended, most notably, "Why the Great Experiment is Failing," which called out the decline in critical thinking and a variety of other ills in our society, which have only gotten wors since.

Yesterday, I posted a diary about a former paid pro-Clinton troll who claimed to have resigned in disgust after being repeatedly directed to go more and more negative in smearing Bernie Sanders. It quoted a fairly detailed post on Reddit that accurately mapped to the timeline and the character of the various attacks we have seen.

The veracity of the posters specific claims obviously cannot be verified as they were posted anonymously, and it is very likely that they are under an NDA (as I am for the Coders for Sanders team). If they came out publicly, they'd obviously be sued and the Clinton camp is well known for vindictiveness (they literally kept a spreadsheet of people who they felt did not support Clinton in 08 to target them for political retribution). I stand by the claims made even if this specific post is not real, because they square perfectly with many facts we do know.

At any rate, some time after I went offline last night (my boyfriend's sister arrived in NYC around 8, so we were on the subway or in Penn Station from 7:30 until 10:00), an admin left a notice that the story had been debunked and I was to unpublish the diary or face consequences. Needless to say, I did not see that until this morning, long after they added a disclaimer to the diary and banned me. I was given no reasonable recourse and was literally banned in the dark of night.

I have met Markos in person numbers times as well as a number of the other top posters on that site. I've been to YearlyKos when it was still called that in Chicago. I was at Netroots Nation when an acquaintance, Lane Hudson, famously heckled Bill Clinton. I worked for six and a half years in Democratic politics full time, designing and building over three hundred web sites for campaigns all across the country at all levels. I've met and worked with many of the people we read about in the news.

I can tell you that DailyKos generally, and Markos specifically are mere shadows of their former selves. I have no idea when arkos decided to stop "crashing the gate" and went all-in for the establishment, but it has been disgusting and disappointing to watch. I often wonder if his making the talkshow circuit on television has clouded his judgment. I do know that he and his ilk no longer represent the netroots. If I have a chance to meet him again, I will certainly ask him when he stopped believing in the things he wrote in his book (which he autographed for me).

I will not go down without a fight, not while Hillary is trying to do everything possible to lose my vote in November. I live in New York City - I do not have to vote for the lesser of two evils. And if the corporate-owned establishment of both parties and the media manages to suppress the political revolution, they'll have to deal with a physical one.

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kharma's picture

TOP is gone establishment.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

Thumb's picture

...and it's been happening for years.

I just found this today (originally posted in 2007) when I was going through the history of Kos fighting any mention of electronic voting machines, which seems relevant today considering what happened in Chicago and NY with their machines. Sheds a bit of a different light on Kos' support and defense of Establishment entities and faux progressive posturing. Have we all been played all this time?

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moul...

If these are untrue please enlighten.

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I think ALL of it is true.

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“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
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If that stuff about Kos is true, and I don't know enough to know, how the hell has it been kept quiet for so long?

Something doesn't make sense.

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The PCI APO (Probable CIA Psyops Operative aka Kos) has said on his site that he 'almost ' joined the CIA. People that look, find stuff, people that don't, don't.
Also I heard something about American's short memory, I'm thinking that's true for sure.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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I should dig around this and make a separate post.

"The Truth About Kos," an anti-DailyKos blog by Francis L. Holland, reported on a 1993 college essay in which Moulitsas Zúniga (then a freshman) opined that gays should not be permitted to serve in the military under any circumstances. He wrote in the column, signed "Markos C.A. Moulitsas," that for non-gay military men, "There is something inherently uncomfortable about it."[4]

In a June 6, 2006 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, Zúniga stated that he had spent between six months and two years training at the Central Intelligence Agency in Washington, DC. In this speech Kos said began in 2001, before he started DailyKos,[5] and continued until the beginning of his involvement with the Howard Dean presidential campaign (late 2003/early 2004), which would mean that Zúniga was in training with the US CIA for as much as two years.[6]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Markos_Moulitsas_Z%C3%BAniga

And this one sounds like it could have been written last week:

http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2009/11/markos-moulitsas-of-daily-ko...

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"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me

Markos worked for the CIA. The DailyKos was always just a front operation to keep tabs on and monitor the Political Left, and to manufacture consent and sheep herd these people around establishment friendly, and status-quo "safe" positions -- while marginalizing and dismissing the true agents of political change, and the true Lefties.

In other words, there was never any "crashing of the gates" going on, if so then the DailyKos would have been an open forum of progressive discussion where people didn't get banned (or ridiculed first, and then banned) for questioning the authoritative declarations made by government institutions (CIA, FBI, Pentagon, State Dept, FAA, NORAD, FEMA, etc.), or questioning our "Whitewashed", sanitized "U.S.History" that we are taught, or pointing out government corruption in high places, Election Fraud and cheating, and the rigging of our Elections.

No Web Site really interested in political change, would ever hold such a long, long list of "taboo subjects", and demand allegiance to the establishment-approved viewpoints and candidates, and work so aggressively to protect corruption in high places ... and close off discussion on those topics.

And Howard Dean was no revolutionary (as we now see him today as just another crony, insider, Corporate Lobbyist, and a proHillary-Regime-Change supporter --- hey Howard whatever happened to the "democratic wing of the democratic party"?) --- but of course the good people like Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel really, really were trying to change the system -- who Markos always hated and ridiculed, and the DailyKos community never helped (like Bernie Sanders).

As with the corrupt Mainstream Media, the KOS manufacturing of false consent (and driving The Left away from true political dissent) is not helping our Country. People should abandon that Web Site altogether and leave Markos with only the crumbs of his own phony, fake political theater..

Some Links:

  1. http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=23344
  2. http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2009/11/markos-moulitsas-of-daily-ko...
  3. http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moul...
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Markos? go suck a sock

Markos? He is CIA
DKos a false flag
But rally round
you simpleton fools
you've each and all been had

Markos isn't for better leaders
He's for more and more of the same
Follow the money you simpleton fools
Markos helps rig the game

Markos? just go rake in your cash
go grab as much as you can
for your time is ending soon
you'll be going from being a player
to being a played buffon

Markos? go suck a sock

I'm told I have to work much harder to get banned, but I think if I made it a dairy there, that that might just do it.

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*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Flyswatterbanjo's picture

about Daily kos. Has anyone else noticed this?

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Kos has been doing a writing gig at The Hill and he does interviews and DKos is mentioned at times in political oriented blogs and news sources on the net. Even on TV. It's a BIG net. It's also been more about Markos than DKos than in the past though I think.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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to being interested in the CIA, to being a Republican back in the day. But people do evolve and become progressive.

He does not limit minority participation. That was a problem for a while, but there is a stronger minority presence now, including several front pagers, and I have seen him ban a few racists. They make fun of us for being whiter than over there, but I'd bet our percentages are about the same. He does state that he is part Hispanic, I believe.

So that link seems a mixed bag to me, and taking his old conservative self too far. I think he grew out of that. But OTOH, he does seem to be devolving these days back to moderate-right. But money tends to do that to people.

As far as the family he came from, I kind of take it for granted he had some help in the early days or he would never have been so successful. But overall, I don't think people should be judged by their ancestors.

At any rate, as I mentioned before, DKos made me more progressive than I was! So if he's a CIA agent trying to pull the country to the right, he's really, really bad at it.

I think he's probably a progressive at heart, but he got bought so figured why not move to the center for this election? No hard evidence, just my intuition.

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So if he's a CIA agent trying to pull the country to the right, he's really, really bad at it.

For me the tell was in 2004 when it was becoming obvious there was something wrong with the new electronic voting machines and he all but forbid discussion on how to improve transparency. It was a loud and clear, "Nothing to see here, move along!" And now, 12 years later, we're right back to fighting the same problems.

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something so important. That's the kind of thing, as soon as you're happy because your side is winning, the other side will play smarter and then their side will be winning. It's immoral, of course, to disenfranchise voters. But it's also stupid.

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arguing with those blankety-blanks about electronic voting.

There was even one poster there who decided that anyone who questioned her state's results would be down-rated by her for CT, and her state, if I recall correctly, was Ohio.

How can people be so blanket-blank stupid?? The military, the banks, huge retailers, and medical operations systems have been breached!!! What makes these people so sure that voting machines, with no security measures remotely comparable to the above entities, are secure?

And this whole ct thing is getting so old. Recall that the CIA (supposedly) was the entity that started promoting the notion of ct to ridicule anyone who held opposing views. Over at GOS, if you write anything opposing the establishment types there, they are on auto-pilot to dismiss it as ct.

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dfarrah

Wish I had read it years ago! But it does explain why TOP and Markos have no problem with HRC as president and her close relationship with war criminal Henry Fucking Kissinger and the Clintons' business involvements in Central America, and HRC's support of the coup in Honduras, and the Mandate of 15 March which seemed so contrary this primary season.

This country is really fucked if HRC does become president. It's making me ill, literally, to even imagine it. I feel more used and manipulated by DK, the whole crashing the gates thingy. It will make it much easier to stay away, except for BNR.

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Yahoo

What it is ain't exactly clear.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Kos has gone from storming the gates to manning the ramparts.

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The NY Daily News Hit Piece on Bernie EXPOSED!

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he's a shadow of his former self and so is his blog. He SOLD OUT. That's why you're banned--the truth hurts the Sold Out. They're assholes and cowards that don't deserve you.

User your energy to fight for Bernie. I LOVED that you posted that tour-de-force on something we all already knew--and I'm not surprised they banned you over it, either. That's just how they roll now, they're as bad as broadcast "media". They can go sit and spin on a large pole, since they've essentially chosen to withhold info from their readers under the guise of "their opinion" on whether it's news or not. And they don't get the part where we caught on awhile ago--and if Bernie doesn't take that nomination, those miserable HillShills are on their own. I'm not lifting a finger for her criminal ass.

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If he has the audacity to show his face in public in New York, I will call him out - to his face. I have no patience for that kind of crap and I have no trouble speaking truth to power (ask Steny Hoyer about the grilling I gave him).

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and if I saw that twerp on the street, I wouldn't call him out, I'd spit on him.

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the banning of the information elsewhere. As if one group banning a potentially truthful article is a precedent that all future media must ban.

Sounds like Kos is still pissed about that 47% video getting traction after he, in his glorious wisdom, dismissed it.

Last time I went there, I simply did a search for "Caucus99percent" to see what they were saying about us. They seem to think the best policy for us is to treat us like Bernie. Ignore us and hope nobody notices.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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about that Romney video, cuz it did break at DK first and they passed! Well, they didn't "pass", the guy was moderated out of existence before Napoleon even saw it. My recollection is that he threw a bit of a tantrum over it, but don't quote me on that much...

That said, they don't talk about this blog by name, over there. They talk about "certain other blogs". I called Chicago Minx out one day, when she said there was "nothing" to look at here. To begin with, you don't see as much as users if you're not logged in, so I made note of that and then asked her if she'd joined.

Yeah, you guessed it---crickets in response. Shocking, I know Wink

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If you wanted a synopsis of why that site has become a dumpster fire, users like her would be a good start.

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the FP (excepting Meteor Blades and Hunter), bbb, any user who joined in the last 6 weeks and has a Rec List diary that starts "I was an enthusiastic Bernie support until last week...., gchaucer2, I could go on, but why spend too much time? The horse left the barn at TOP well before March 15th.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

The way teacherken came out swinging the last month or so really surprised me. Probably the biggest disappointment aside from Kos himself.

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I think he must be getting paid. There was that day when he said "my wife is so sick I won't be able to take the time to comment, however I did take the time to write my daily Bernie hit piece". Why in the world, if his wife is/was so sick, would he even have it on his mind to visit dKos? Unless it was part of his job or unless he's so sucked into this madness that he felt compelled to spend an hour or so ignoring his sick wife.

Either way, he didn't/doesn't come off well.

Not to mention his stuff is unbelievable.

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Teacherken was constantly making the wreck list with posts that were nothing more than pointers to articles by other writers, which he invariably deemed "must read" for no apparent reason. I never did get why he was the top recommended diarist there for so long. I stopped clicking on his posts a long time ago.

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quite honestly, I never finished one of his diaries. Not saying I nodded off exactly, but .....
I gave him an loud eye catching applause for being a educator/teacher once. Got no reply.
My grand parents and most of their brothers and sisters were teachers, so I had thought to acknowledge the dignity and worth of teachers.
oh well, that's ok.

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his favorite pronouns are

I, me, me, mine.

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Charles M. Blow is a "must read" y'know.

Has anyone yet asked teacherken if, given his support for Clinton, he's going to form a "Quakers for More War" organization?

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"The degree to which liberals are coming to inhabit an alternate reality, impenetrable by facts or reason, is actually frightening." -- Steve Maher

I thought that same thing when TK came out in support of HRC. Who would think a Quaker would support a war hawk? And all the hypocrisy and duplicious behavior.

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Yahoo

the only FP over there with any integrity is Meteor. I know he's no spring chicken anymore and in this day and age decent paychecks are hard to come by. And it seems all he does anymore is Night Owls and environmental pieces. But I have to wonder when he'll finally say enough is enough. I can't imagine someone like him working for someone like that little weasel...

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is actually showing more balls than MB.

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him pretty well, saying just because he marched with MLK to the Washington Mall is not good enough to be trusted as someone who supports civil rights of the Afro-American community.

Unless I am totally nuts and don't understand what I am reading, I wonder what gave you the impression she has supported Sanders?

Anyhow, to me that is all "Schnee von Gestern". I decline to get upset of anything. Rev Barber himself hasn't endorsed Sanders, so I guess she won't do it too.

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TTTT (too tired to talk)

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I never though so. I was replying to a poster who said chicagominx was an example of the dumpster fire at TOP. I just listed the first 6 or 7 other TOP "celebs" that came to mind. Oliver was one. No, she has never supported Bernie and probably won't if he gets the nomination. Plus, she's a scold. Not as bad as, say, Armando, but a pain nevertheless.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

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TTTT (too tired to talk)

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ridiculous, too! He's a good guy, but he's fallible. But I'd probably get banned immediately over there if I said that.

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Needs the money from being paid to troll. His wife has been battling cancer . Having been in that position myself I can say if someone would have offered me decent money to stay home and write blog posts I would have jumped on it like a life preserver. Desperation does that.

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they cannot beat us for great content. I am thrilled to see all the incredible writers we have here sharing their talents and opinions with us.

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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

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I would add that people here who express opinions have them backed up by facts. One may, from time to time, disagree with how these facts are interpreted, but in the main there's a good faith effort to inform. It's nice.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

It is sad that a lot of stuff on Hillary does come from suspect RW sites, which I think is why people are working even harder to get at stories and links to real information. We know only too well how the conservatives have been willing to blow things out of proportion since the 90s, but there are verifiable and very troubling facts about the Clintons, their foundation, their speaking fees, the way they run a campaign. Those things are not conspiracy, but troubling stories that would alarm any site dedicated to getting people elected.

I, too, felt I had friendly personal contact with a lot of people from the first Yearly Kos(teacherken was always nice to me, one among many) through the years, and these same people never hesitated to push for more progressive Dems like they did this year. So, if no one there is looking at these questions and digging, then we do not know how bad they will look on down the road.

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The Republicans were obsessing on that one episode in Benghazi while meanwhile Libya itself was turning into one of the World's great clusterf*cks because of Hillary's terrible judgement. For some reason that reminds me of this scene from Return Of The Pink Panther:

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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I've never felt so welcome anywhere, and free to be myself. And the writing is outstanding.

Who needs those old orange bullies, whiners and fuddy-duddies, anyway? We got this place Smile

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Did Kos dismiss before it was given to David Korn or after?
Kos seems to have a real track record of being an idiot.

the stuff he said about Clinton in 2008 would get him banned today.

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a bunch of dairies swamped the recent list, the author was quickly BOJO'ed then the diaries removed. or, .. they disappeared from the list anyway. All VERY fast.

the information, the vid's appeared soon after on another site. and spread.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
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I remember reading/seeing the vid there, and there was much talk of scandal and then talk of "being played"and then it was not discussed further until after it was released elsewhere. In retrospect, that was either over-cautious, or a deliberate white-wash, if that's the right term. Censorship?

Meanwhile the kind-hearted got played by the Nephew, lasting for weeks. And later, the take-down. But about then (pre-exposure) I began to lose faith that there weren't many easily-led commenters there. And see what has happened.

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of the 47% recording was only audio*, as I recall, with captioning over a grainy black background.

The audio quality wasn't so hot either.

The version Mother Jones broke, while the same in content, was video, with the audio nicely cleaned up -- you could even hear the clink of silverware on china at the dinner table.

I thought the original was genuine, but could see why people would be concerned about its authenticity. It wasn't such a long time since so many had tried to defend Anthony Weiner based on interpretations of leaked photos -- getting burned by leaked anything was probably much on many people's minds.Thank god the full version eventually made its way to the media.

*Just looked it up at Mother Jones, and found that the first versions circulating had "... images [that] were disguised; these clips were essentially audio files and impossible to verify."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/story-behind-47-video

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neither the audio or video was quality and though it sure looked and sounded like mitt, the poster posted a bunch in quick session and didn't stop to answer questions. he was banned before he was able to post all the parts I think. banned for remarkable claims without providing evidence. if he had engaged or done so faster, it would have been different.

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Flyswatterbanjo's picture

got played by The Nephew? Sorry, no. The easily-swayed busy bodies got played by the Nephew.

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I would be curious as to the date it broke. I think I was out of the country with no internet.

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The diarist was posting teaser clips and not a lot of information...
The Diaries were taken down about as fast as they went up...

I eventually got to the diarists YouTube account and saw all of the teasers...

Way to go gate crashers... LOL...
Miss the biggest scoop that fell into your lap ever...

Really I'm not sad to see the demise of the GOS...
Call it opportunity for something better...

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Even though it undoubtedly pisses you off, and it should, in the long run you are better off being without that travesty of a "progressive" and "liberal" site (that is actually left-leaning Republican at this time). It will either wither and die, or become a DNC/DWS/DLC site -- either way, no loss.

Would enjoy seeing your work here. Take care!

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It's where the Republicans would be if they hadn't gone batshit crazy and hopped in bed with the Religious Reich. (Talk about your unnatural relations...) When Goldwater and Reagan would both be considered RINOs these days, you know they've gone off the deep end in the GOP. They're still Democrats when it comes to social issues (reproductive rights and LGBT matters for the most part) but economically they're more towards the Republican side, and in foreign policy I get the feeling they'd have no problem if Clinton decides to send troops into Syria and other Middle Eastern countries "to fight ISIS over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

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They're [Daily Kos] still Democrats when it comes to social issues (reproductive rights and LGBT matters for the most part)

Pure window dressing. Anybody counting on people like those still active on Kos to maintain reproductive and sexual orientation rights once they've got our votes is in for a world of pain. These social issue window dressings will disappear like smoke the second they've got our votes. Lip service may be paid for a while yet, but no actions; and then even the lip service will gradually disappear.

Sad

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long as there are exceptions for the life and health of the mother". Now, you would think that that would pretty much mean abortion on demand in practice, since every pregnancy is a risk to the health of the mother. But it has actually meant that in practice doctors turn into cowards, thus women are sent home with dying fetuses to endure until delivery day, or if she starts bleeding to death come on back, they might try an abortion then. Just be quick about it, and if it's too late, well, we tried but our hands were tied, we couldn't kill the fetus.

I'm sure someone is feeding her position papers and she is well aware of the tragedies that require late-term abortions and why that's no time to have to seek out a judge to obtain an exemption to the no-abortion rules. Pathetic that she'd throw pregnant women under the bus to reach her ambitious goals.

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imho, they are both lying conniving creatures who will do/say anything to advance their own ambitions, without much attention to deeply-held morals. (see: two supposed Vietnam protesters vacationing with Henry Fucking Kissinger)

Now that they have money, I wonder what they are going to do to clean up the Clinton Foundation. As First Gent, will Bill be allowed to make business deals with its contributors? What about accepting donations from foreign nations?

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Yahoo

It is juvenile and insulting. It treats someone who joined 10 minutes ago just like someone who has been supporting Markos and dkos for 12 years. He sat Tasini in a corner, and he allowed his trolls to drive off Cenk, Sirota, and Greg Palast. That was way before the gorilla nose event.

There are no corners, no trolls, no Hillarybots, and no hypocritical jackasses here. All discussion is welcome as long as it is civil.

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when he was Candidate Obama and sounded better than he has turned out since. It wasn't good enough for the piranha pack, which attacked in force - and he was never seen on That Place again.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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believe, including Keith Olbermann and Cenk Uygur because they thought they should hang around and answer the comments. "How rude".

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he might be banned now actually, talking like Bernie and all.
there was actual talk about banning Bill Moyers at one time.
I think there were a few more minor Dem candidates that got banned by community moderation over lack of replying also.
Pretty sure EVERY independent/progressive NON-Dem candidate got booted fast fast fast.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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effing HONORED. Kos should've stopped that crap quick. He has a much more elevated view of himself than I have of myself, I guess.

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Met Markos, had photo with him, and was banned over one comment. Except for a couple commenters and the pootie diaries, I'm not missing it.

Anyone know how Meteor Blades is holding up over there?

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Here is what I think of MB:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

I think MB lacks the courage of his convictions.

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Of course they [the CIA] got their dirty ops and this and that, right? But, as an institution itself, the CIA is actually really interested in a stable world, that’s what they’re interested in. And stable worlds aren’t created by destabilizing regimes and by starting wars, there’re done so by other methods, assassinating labor leaders, and, you know, that can get ugly at times, but, generally speaking, I think as an organization their hearts in the right place. I’ve never had a problem with the CIA…

[Actual words of Markos Moulitsas Zuniga]

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
-by Global Research News
http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804

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Thanks for the video JayRaye.

And stable worlds aren’t created by destabilizing regimes and by starting wars, they’re done so by other methods, assassinating labor leaders, and, you know, that can get ugly at times, but, generally speaking, I think as an organization their hearts in the right place. I’ve never had a problem with the CIA...

This is fucked.

Wonder if the Neolibersal pestilence at TOP knows about this. Nah, those pricks don't know the first thing about our country's crushing of dissent, with things like Cointelpro, the drug war, the murder and entrapment of labor movement leaders and members.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Orwellian Rabbit Hole inside a Matrix?
All kinds of pills and Caring Infallible Auntie dancing with the Queen!

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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which is even crazier than Bizarro World. Bizarro World is understandable once you "get" the rule that everything is backwards - Madworld isn't understandable at all, by anyone.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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Does it kinda make you feel like you are in an Orwellian Rabbit Hole inside a Matrix?
All kinds of pills and Caring Infallible Auntie dancing with the Queen!

Go ask Alice....

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

Please who ever posts that video at TOP, make sure to link here so we can all rec it b4 getting banned.

Un fucking believable - Kos defending the CIA.

Just so hard to believe, even after listening to that shit.

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didn't know about such talk by Markos, didn't care or are just sternly and stubbornly writing their own stuff (which is good) as long as they can for that site.

I have met and heard younger rich folks' kids finding it "exiting" to work for the CIA, kids of rich Democratic families, btw, names you would recognize, working on projects for the Democrats you would recognize. Having a fiancee or girlfriend working for the CIA is also really "cool". Now they work in the State Department. And we get the "cool" results of those kids enabling foreign policies that are disastrous, even if they are on the lower level yet. Eventually it will haunt them. But probably not much and they trust to get out of the game unharmed.

Buying the pig in the poke isn't a funny affair.

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that they are murderous, straight up.

The distinction between the CIA and any other violent criminal syndicate is invisible to me.

"hearts are in the right place". Jesus. If they have hearts at all, they're probably hidden somewhere between their livers and their spleens.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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comments of several diaries a day. Where's Anonymous when we need him? That'd cause many heads to explode.

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..... Anonymous is a "them", not a "him".

This video should clarify somewhat:

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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much like the computery voice. I knew there was more than one, but figured it was like Batman. Adam West, Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton, George Clooney, et al., but still Batman is a him. Or James Bond.

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some people who left many moons ago. I don't know anything about it. I just know it exists.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

slightly less than 2 years twice.

I'll be in the area beginning of June, maybe we'll chat about it.

Look, there's nothing nefarious or secret about it. I know who banned me. I know who begged me to come back. I know who banned me again.

And I know why. I'm happy to explain it but at this point it just bores the crap out of me.

I'll just say this about MB-

"No saviour from on high delivers,
No faith have we in prince or peer.
Our own right hand the chains must shiver,
Chains of hatred, greed and fear."

Come comrades let's rally.

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I was thinking about you and a few others when I said that. A lot of bad feelings have originated from that place over the years.

I'm not sure if I'll be local or up north. We open our summer house in May and then travel back and forth into fall. Give me a poke. Hope we can meet up.

dk

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Much less banned again, ek!

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Not that I couldn't, many are known evasions of one diary a day (which I was against from the start like pyrrho my mentor). Nah, I raise my own rabble.

Silly me, at one point I was prepared to pay good money for dK, as it sits today I wouldn't give him a dime. The place bleeds cash and his page hits are entirely fictional.

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mimi's picture

what the last two lines of that poem mean? Sorry, but I can't grasp what is meant by it and I very much would like to. (You might remember I am not a native english speaker and my english is very poor).

Our own right hand the chains must shiver,
Chains of hatred, greed and fear."

Thank You.

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TTTT (too tired to talk)

the 1st two lines say we can expect no help
the last two lines mean we must ourselves break the chains of hatred greed and fear.

shiver being used as in 'shiver me timbers'. a shaking and breaking.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

mimi's picture

something else into it. "break the chains of hatred, greed and fear". That little word "of" makes all the difference. Thank you.

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https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/sounds/lyrics/international.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale

The International

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We’ll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

Refrain:
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we’ll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They’ll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We’ll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E’er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we’ll strike while the iron is hot.

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons

I like Pete Seeger's version that he sings in French.

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Yahoo

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moderation, as long as you're willing to unpublish the diary. As you note, you can't respond to a notice when you're not online. I bet they'd give you a timeout and then let you back. I think that's why they notified everyone in that diary. They could have unpublished it themselves. Instead they were very specific that they banned because you did not respond to their warning and unpublish, not directly because of what you wrote. That says to me they'd like you to come back, as long as you take it back.

OTOH, go take a snapshot of your banned profile and stay here with your banned award ribbon. Or both! Get a good snapshot, then appeal to be restored. Wink

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ought to return to that site.

Ever.

It and its supporters are tissue in a nation which is the body of greed.

An allegory.

I have become a foreign organism in that body, a cancer. Every mutation from the genetic code of that body cannot grow to maturity because it will be attacked once the antibodies find it.

It is bracing to realize that one's values are a virulent strain, one's hard work an abnormal growth triggering a lethal immune response.

No little corner of this body politic is safe.

Peace and love be with you, reader.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Eagles92's picture

But I return because of LieparDestin's Bernie News Roundups (the original BNR!).
He puts so much blood, sweat and tears into that diary every single day. His passion is commendable -- not to mention his unparalleled research and reporting.
The fact that he refuses to yield to the shitshow that is DKos these days means I will continue to support his efforts. Plus, the more of us that Rec the BNRs and keep them on the top of the list, the more outside eyes they get, and the more we piss off the GOS's corporate overlords. Wink

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1. the Berners at TOP deserve our support (IMHO)
2. Supporting the Berners who remain at TOP is a way of giving Boss Koss a poke in the eye!

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I take exception to one teeny tiny point you made in your diary:

I can tell you that DailyKos generally, and Markos specifically are mere shadows of their former selves. -

Nope. Much to my horror, it appears that he is finally revealing his true self. The shadow is the act he put on before to con us all that he was a progressive and all that bs.

If you have not taken the 'red pill', and read this, do so now and it will tell you that Kos has been 'blogging for dollars' from the get go, while pretending to be a true progressive.

See more at:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2005/01/blogg...

( will some kind soul, pahleeze tell me how to do links? cannae figure it out...)

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Sea Turtle

click the third icon from the left in the toolbar above the editor where you write your comments/essays. The icon is titled "Insert/edit link" when you hover over it with your cursor. Then paste or type the link URL in the top box that's titled "Link URL", then in the second box titled "Link Text" type the text you want to show. Then click OK and the text link will show up where ever your mouse cursor was in the editor.

It's really very easy once you've done it on time.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Just highlight text in the comment that you have already typed, then click the link button, and add just the link...

The text will already be in the appropriate line...

This is handy if you are adding links to something you have copy and pasted...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

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Thumb's picture

If you have not taken the 'red pill', and read this, do so now and it will tell you that Kos has been 'blogging for dollars' from the get go, while pretending to be a true progressive.

In case you didn't catch this above:

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moul...

Certainly fills in a lot of gaps.

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Is one of the great annoyances of our time, IMHO.

Considering they find the Wachowski Sisters to be worthy of contempt, the fact that they still steal their best ideas is just hypocrisy in action.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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for all to see, and it ain't pretty.

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has turned into just that - chaos in it's purest form. I go there once, maybe twice, a day. I will not be bullied by the trolls anymore. This is an establishment web site with no humanity, any longer. I leave it to those who wish to hear themselves gush about HRC, although they cannot defend any of her policies or we would be reading that in the responses to our support for Bernie. It is nothing more than Daily Khaos anymore and I choose to participate less and less.

I also refuse to vote for HRC - EVER!

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“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.”

-- Voltaire

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

hester's picture

There is not much to be gained by staying over there. If you are active (are you in NY?) sign this petition here about recounting some of NY ballots. Use your disappointment/anger to help achieve your goals.

And good luck and welcome to a great place.

Wear the banning as a badge of honor.>>> I just slunk away 2 months ago, when the place started to stink... remember a fish rots from the head down.

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Don't believe everything you think.

after The Grand Edict -- I reserve the right to go back and say "I told ya so" when things don't go according to plan for folks there. I've stayed pretty much true to my planned vacation -- I peek in but haven't posted or rec'd anything since my diary. A few people thought my TTFN should have been treated as a GBCW and I should be banned, but I guess my reputation for no drama (first time I've done anything like this) kept me in good standing, as well as being a longtime member who has formed connections (I do miss the SF Kossacks folks!) and didn't want people to worry.

I knew what Markos was back during the original Great Pie Fight, when he contemptuously referred to "the sanctimonious Women's Studies set" who protested sexist ads on the site -- he valued the money more than progressive social values. Got to wonder if now that he has a daughter if that's changed at all. I still participated there because it was a good way to reach a lot of people, plus there were still good people there -- still are though most of them are now here. He's not some sort of progressive Messiah; he tapped into the anger at George W. Bush and made money off of it. He's a marketer, not a journalist or a political pundit.

'Nuff said...

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What are "TTFN" and "GBCW?"

Honestly, I feel I should know but I can't access that part of my intellect right now! Smile

Good to be here, where I am happy to see some old, familiar faces and allies!

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but will be back.
GBCW is Good Bye Cruel World, meaning that's the end you are out of here. GBCW diarys are an auto-ban and the GBCW is the self banning method.
Personally I absolutely hate the GBCW crap, approved and pushed by the little bastard himself. It gives you an insight into his mentality.
Making light of suicide is despicable.
Suicide and quitting a blog are NOT anywhere near being in the same ballpark.
I'd much prefer KIAA instead of GBCW. Kos Is An Ass would be so much better and more accurate.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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I finally joined in ... 2013? ... after lurking for years. But I wasn't at the GOS during 2008 so missed much of the turmoil and resulting collective history. I can figure much of it out, including some acronyms, but this eluded me.
I agree with you on GBCW. And KIAA is much more appropriate.

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he also doesn't like street protests

Never liked him. Loved the community though.

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Petition site is DOWN. Later. Wink NY voter. Wink

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Wink's picture

Great post! Bannable offenses should be given 24 hours before the hammer drops. Near as I can tell there's no means to defend oneself from the admins' position anyway. There should be some sort of... "If you feel the admins have acted heavy handidly click here to respond." Sad that Markos has gone corporate. So much for crashing those gates. Guess that's been left to us. Maybe, too, why so little attention has been given to DK5.

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Only it's not for wondering about the shills. It's for going off on MB and referring to Kos as something I did not know was an ethnic slur towards Native Americans. That sucks, because I've always respected MB. I truly had never heard "little big man" used as a slur towards Native Americans.

Please tell me I'm not the only one ignorant of this. Is Kos Native American? I know MB is, and the comment was to him, but about shills, and Kos, and asking him, how the fuck he was still there.

Don't care about the 7days. I care that I offended MB in that type of way and could have offended any Native American who reads it.

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of "little big man" in its relation to being a slur towards Native Americans, but you should have linked to the exchange so that one can understand the context, imo.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
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mimi's picture

to me. I think there was a Ogala Lakota Native American with that name, as mentioned here:
Crazy Horse
Facts, information and articles about Crazy Horse, Lakota Indian Leader and Native American Indian Chief

Crazy Horse carried a Winchester rifle across his saddle as he rode to the fort. He wore a single hawk’s feather in his hair. His braids, wrapped in fur, fell across his buckskin shirt. He Dog and another old friend, Little Big Man, rode on either side of him. The procession stretched for two miles. Crazy Horse’s loyal followers and the agency Indians alike began singing and cheering for Crazy Horse. ‘By God,’ said an Army officer who witnessed the event, ‘this is a triumphal march, not a surrender.’ The reception was a clear sign that Crazy Horse was a hero, even among many agency Indians who had not spent time with him in years.

But I am sure Meteor Blades knows exactly what he is talking about, he is a true journalist and gets his sources always right and is a walking history encyclopedia, at least I heard other people saying so and when he writes he shows that too.

If this "little big man" quoted in above paragraph has anything to do with a slur, I doubt it. It would be hard to understand why it became a slur, as those men, Crazy Horse and his companion "little big man" were successful and admired warriors. So if it is a slur against the Native Americans, I don't know where it came from.

There was also a movie about Napoleon with the title "Little Big Man". Well, if that means the saying can be attributed to Napoleon or to the film maker, I don't know. But in this film the "little big man" was a clownish character, I believe. So, in books and essays "little big man" is related to Napoleon, but mainly in books and essays written afterwards.

It could be that this developed as an expression of "Schadenfreude" by the French. The Prussian king Friedrich Wilhelm I had a regiment of extra big guys (giants), which the Prussian population nick-named the "Lange Kerle" (long guys) ... They were defeated by Napoleon. So, I guess, as it was said that the "giants or long guys" were way to big to be good for combat, and the fact that they were defeated by the forces of a rather "short guy", Napoleon, may have created the saying that Napoleon was "the little big man". Who knows. I am not a history gal. I just googled for a while. Smile

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Alphalop's picture

"Schadenfreude" Is German in Origin.

Leave it up to the Germans to come up with a single word that describes such a concept. Wink

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That's about all I know...
I don't know how it is an indian slur...

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by Thomas Berger.

The movie was based on the novel. The titular character is a white man (something Crabbe, by name, as I recall) who was captured by Plains Indians as a child, adopted their way of life, was adopted BY them, but gets kidnapped back into the white man's world as a teenager.

As a very very old man he tells his story to an earnest young academic, who takes it all down, resulting in the novel. Famous folks from history cross paths with Crabbe in his long life -- the novelist treats them all pretty satirically.

I never heard that the phrase "Little Big Man" was some kind of insult or slur. I thought the novel was pretty good, and the movie too.

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and after his fall.
It became a phrase of warning such as don't let your birches get to big for you.
The little big man is heading for a fall.
It may go further back of course. Trying to think of other short rulers. umm..

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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of "little big man," yet he has next to nothing to say about the US State Department's role, under Secretary Clinton, in Honduras which led directly to the repression of indigenous people's movements and the murder of Berta Caceres.

MB did write briefly about the murder of Berta Caceres but said nothing about the role played by the US State Department under Clinton. Wouldn't want to piss of Boss Koss, after all.

So the murder of an indigenous woman, an award winning activist, gets barely a mention while there is major outrage over the phrase "little big man."

Typical Daily Kos bullshit, to carry on about some phrase that nobody knew was offensive yet ignore human rights outrages whenever Democrats are in power. And MB is a part of that bullshit phoney outrage (very useful to distract from corruption of the Democratic Party).

I wouldn't worry in the least about upsetting MB. I find his great sense of outrage over this phrase, esp where you meant no offense, to be hypocritical considering the harm being done to the progressive movement by the outfit that he works for.

I'm surprised that I was allowed to write about the role played by the Democratic Governor of Colorado in the Ludlow Massacre.

This is where support for the lesserevilism gets us. Will we never learn? Is there really NO EVIL so EVIL that it cannot be called a lesser evil? MB works for a man who calls us idiots and assholes for daring to even ask that question.

I used to respect MB, but no more.

"Honduran Activist Berta Cáceres Died in Gustavo Castro Soto's Arms; Now His Life is in Danger" by JayRaye
http://caucus99percent.com/content/honduran-activist-berta-c%C3%A1ceres-...

How inconsiderate of Berta Cáceres to get herself assassinated while Hillary Clinton is running for President. by JayRaye
http://caucus99percent.com/content/how-inconsiderate-berta-c%C3%A1ceres-...

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mimi's picture

contradictions that nobody of us know about?

I still have great respect for what he wrote on that site over the years and still do til today and I read it. It's imo ridiculous not to read his diaries and lists, just because we have come to understand that the site dailykos under the ownership of Markos and the editing forces of more and more one-sided PR, turns out not to be what we all might have thought of in the beginning?

If you disrespect Meteor Blades because he is writing for TOP, you throw out the baby with the bathtub water, imo. His writing and the site for which he writes are two different entities and you don't know what his personal (ie financial) situation is or other reasons he might have to stay there and write no matter what.

He has not sold out his convictions, I think. And does his job with which he earns a living very well. Who are we to disrespect him for that?

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people by that site, its stifling of progressive thought and voices, and MB is playing a big role in building up that site. He can't have it both ways. He can't get all outraged about a phrase, and then ignore the role played by a Democratic candidate in the murder of an indigenous activist in Honduras while that candidate was SOS. At least not without being a crass hypocrite.

I ignore everything that comes out of the pen of anyone capable of that degree of hypocrisy.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, as I am entitled to mine.

I was personally aquatinted with a woman whose entire village was massacred by CIA supported death squads in Guatemala. It isn't just theoretical to me, it's real. There are better ways to make a living then by being associated with a blog that has any, any at all, connection to the murderous CIA.

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mimi's picture

I read here, read Democracy NOW and pretty much all the links of the EB and content wise I stick with those journalists and publications. I do so for a reason. Because it's what I consider serious news digging and coverage.

It's just so annoying how much time, emotions and support I gave to the dailykos site, because, among others, of writers like MB. There were always questions in my mind about his positions, but never so serious as to disrespect his work.

The fact that I have so many questions and all the imo over-covered identity-based issues of many writers got me more dependent and upset with it. I didn't like that in myself and til today I don't know why it was so hard for me to keep my distance to that site. I guess, I am just struggling with myself, because I am angry about my past.

I understand fully what you are saying, I believe it makes lot of people frustrated, as so many would just wish he would cover stories you usually just get through Democracy Now and a couple of others regularly posted in the EB. I love the EB lists. It's the best thing that can happen to an unsophisticated news reading person with limited search capabilities and capacities to build such archives of news stories myself.

Well, I always get cranky, when I don't understand a person. I don't understand MB. That's for sure.

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JayRaye's picture

write about the role played by the US State Department under Clinton in the events which led up to the murder of Berta Caceres, award winning indigenous activist. As an experienced journalist, he certainly could have covered the story. Amy Goodman, an actual journalist, covered the story on Democracy Now with interviews by women and men who worked with Berta Caceres.

Democracy Now also interviewed the daughter of Berta Caceres, a brave young woman who knows she could be the next to die. The daughter had a few things to say about the role of Clinton in her mother's death. But the voice of that young woman would not be permitted on the web site that MB chooses to work for. DK would ban her immediately for what she had to say about Hillary Clinton.

No true journalist ignores important stories because those stories are politically inconvenient to a certain blog owner. No true journalist would work for anyone who censors his writing to that degree.

No true journalist gets all bent out of shape by a phrase, were the speaker meant no offense, yet suppresses the details of story were a world-renowned activist was murdered by a repressive government which the Democratic candidate for President supported while working in a Democratic Administration.

True journalist are in the business of uncovering facts, not suppressing them.

Someone who gins up faux outrage while ignoring politically inconvenient facts is simply a political hack, not a real journalist.

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Meteor Blades did not cover the story, because they were too inconvenient to the site's owner and he had to cave in to the site's "political incorrect bent", it would be a huge shame. I tried to follow up on what Meteor Blades writes about and what he doesn't write about. And the latter was to me always more interesting than the former. Of course I was wondering about it often. These last two years it has become a sad affair.

I still have the feeling there must be more to it than meets the eye. But then this might be my general attitude to give a lot of people a lot of slack and my general bent to question any kind of extreme fixation to issues. Let's say I am half a sell-out and to a certain degree I can forgive others to be the same.

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Was a Lakota Brave the cousin and right hand man of Crazy Horse. He also very likely planned and was involved in Crazy Horses murder.

It's kind of like calling someone Benedict Arnold. Actually sounds like you were spot on. With out knowing it you perfectly described Kos.

If you are not aware I am Haida this is not a derogatory term for Indians it is literally an insult we use on each other where applicable.

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mimi's picture

Does that mean that the cousin and right hand man of Crazy Horse betrayed him? Oh my, wouldn't it have been nice, it weren't so?

Thanks for the explanation. That makes it more comprehensible now.

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Crazy Horse was murdered by his most trusted people on the suggestion of the military.

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jamess's picture

I thought your source was credible.

They posted their descent into Hillary Smearville -- 5 months ago!

Long before the the CTR story broke. How did they get it so spot on, back then?

In any event you got a raw deal -- given your history and the whole way the ban-warnings came down.

It's not right. But then again that happens a lot with dictatorships.

I'm about done with my efforts there myself.

I've fought the good fight, only to be finally shunned by the Hillary-Packs-That-Be.

They are gonna to be one sorry sad bunch, when the Independents turn-away from Quid-pro-Quo Queen, in droves.

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when the 100's or 1000's of newly signed up Hillary supporters disappear from the site as soon as their paychecks disappear. When I look at the comment section of any diary over there, I no longer recognize even 10% of the commenters. I've been a regular participant on that site for well over a decade and recognize most of the old time posters. They're nearly all gone. Most are over here.

Come the end of November, TOP is going to be a virtual ghost town.

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I don't expect to be there for long, but thanks to you, I get to fight for at least one more day.

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Welcome to the club.
Your source was creditable I heard about the operation in October and remember thinking that the internet exemption was only for blogging done without compensation. the minute they paid people to respond and place posts on social media, they have a legal requirement to include a disclaimer that the post was paid for, and have to disclos by whom. Shillary's campaign is trying to say that disclaimers are only required for ads placed for money on another website. They are wrong.
Anyway,
DROS has always labled laying out a fact pattern as conspiricy theory.
I first got banned from Kos I don't remember when, 2003? for stating facts about the collapse of bldg 7 on 9-11.
I know a b it bout the comparative strength of materials at high temperatures and the temperatures atainable with various fuel sources.
I am a Metallurgical Engineer and have worked for the Dept of the Navy, the DOD, Rocketdyne, NASA among others.
Then I was banned for pointing out that the recount done in Ohio was a machine check and not a real recount and would not detect the actual manulipation that had occured. IE the header cards which indicated the candidate order had been switched in heavily Democratic precincts which lead to a 60 precent vote for Bush and a large number of inexpliable votes for empty spaces on the ballot. I said that if we just moved on, then it WOULD happen again. We needed to get to the bottom of it.
And got ban hammered
So yeah, this thing with DROS not new.
Iwrote a diary about th hyper acid stripes in the ocean caused by the burning of high sulfur bunker oil by the container ships going to and from China, and got attacked by Fish out of water whonI would never have expected, and someone that I had never seen comment before named War Admiral, who was evidently not Man O War's sire but a horse's ass none the less.

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mimi's picture

engineering part of the collapse of the towers very late, many, many years after 9/11/2001, and was then a bit amazed, because the physical engineering based arguments seemed reasonable to me. I asked a polite question about it on dailukos and got a pretty tough warning and response by Meteor Blades. Apparently nobody could believe I had never heard about it before.

In any case the question was dismissed and considered a trouble making question supporting conspiracy theories. I remember being pretty shocked and pissed off about that. I also was such an obedient dkos reader to never, ever having read any diary about the I/P conflict. That came a little easier to me, because as a German it's not easy to have an opinion about it on a US blog. Later I could see that having closed my mouth over these issues was considered a coward attitude, enabling atrocities against Palestinians and refusing to stand up for their rights.
That made me again pretty angry. And their Godwyn regulations seemed to me ridiculous. But that's just me. I am the last person to compare anything to Nazis and Hitler, it usually is BS to do so.

You know, it gets really pissy at times. And the anger about it, is what keeps people attached to that dkos site, it's a sort of negative attachment. One day I will get clarity in my mind what it's all about from a psychological view point. But now I have better things to do.

Meanwhile I got used to the fact that almost nothing in US political affairs gets a truthful report. Everything is always "in the fog of something".

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Sandino's picture

If you question the ability of a plane's worth of jetfuel to collapse a modern skyscraper, then you must also think the thousands of buildings that have been retrofitted against fire collapse, and all the building codes than have been rewritten are part of some giant propaganda exercise.

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mimi's picture

The fact that I ask a question about the arguments raised by some engineers, doesn't mean that I question the ability of a plane's worth of jetfuel to collapse a modern skyscraper.

That's a pretty insulting comment, to be frank. May be you question your own thought crimes along the way. Jeez. Thanks for the flowers.

If you will, just leave me alone, ok? My thoughts are free. Basta.

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Sandino's picture

Calling something a thoughtcrime, straight from Orwell, is a way of mocking the entire enterprise of forbidding thoughts/topics/questions using violent authority (like banning at the democratic-whores' site).

I was also snarkily pointing out the fact that the entire building/engineering professions have actually ignored the 3 buildings that collapsed that day, rather than acting as if they had really discovered that skyscrapers could just collapse in on themselves if they caught fire. I guess my inability to make direct statements on the subject is part of my internalization of Big Brother and the thought police, which is disturbing, but I fear it is a useful survival skill in general.

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mimi's picture

sometimes I think the comment "I was trying to be snarky" doesn't cut it. Anyhow, I understand the circumstances under which I asked a question online about the videos I saw back in the days without realizing that discussions of those videos was supposedly a move to enable conspiracy theories. Apparently some folks on dailykos can't or couldn't imagine that there are people out there who haven't read zillions of essays and were not aware of certain "regulations" of that holy place over there.

Really, I don't care. Your comment drew conclusions about my thinking that didn't sound snarky to me. I guess I am deaf on one ear.

Anyhow, your apology is accepted. Sorry too that I flipped out over your comment. All of it is way not worth it. And btw I read Orwell just once in in my life, in the sixties, ing the German language, and remember as much as nothing. So, I don't recognize often references to certain literature by their wording in English. It was my intention to read tons of books I gathered through the last ten years. They are all in boxes, packed. I fear sometimes I will not unpack them ever and read. I am way too tired of life and sick of this world.

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