This could be how it (the empire) ends

https://www.brecorder.com/2020/03/17/580793/pakistan-china-and-russia-de...

Should they all bond to skip the dollar then we will have very rough times ahead, inflation
war and more

Pakistan, China and Russia decide to conduct trade in local currencies skip dollars

The eight-member countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), including China, Russia, and Pakistan, have made the principle decision to conduct bilateral trade and investment and issue bonds in local and national currencies instead of US dollars.

As per details, a road map will be finalized and signed at SCO's Finance Ministers' meeting in Moscow on March 18th.

Russia, as chairman of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, has called for suggestions from all member states for trade and investment in local currencies. After a detailed review of these proposals in Moscow's meeting, a system of mutual settlement of national currencies will be introduced for the member countries of the SCO.

All member states will sign a roadmap for trade and investment in national currencies between member states. Russia has issued the agenda for the SCO's Finance Ministers' meeting summoned in Moscow on March 18.

As per reports, the finance ministry of Pakistan has completed preparations in light of the agenda of the conference of finance ministers.

Representatives from the finance ministries and central banks of China, India, Russia, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan will attend the SCO conference in Moscow.

In addition, Iran, Afghanistan, Belarus, and Mongolia are the observer countries of the SCO who wish to become a regular member of the organization.

Reports say that if the trade and investment between the member states of the SCO begin in national currencies instead of dollars and pounds, it will be a big breakthrough. It will also strengthen the national currencies of the member countries and promote mutual trade and investment.

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which won't go down lightly w/tptb

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

and oil prices cratering to ~$30 a barrel, U.S. shale will never survive long. I suspect these countries figure the U.S. is not long for the road now because the nation is so ill-equipped and fragile when faced with something like the current pandemic; they are now grabbing their best opportunity and firing any ammo they have to perhaps end the petro-dollar, while the iron is hot.

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@ChezJfrey
Closed at 23.79.

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Thank you for the opportunity to read about the impending greenback demise--but it ain't dead yet. Yet. Here is my unenlightened view. Feel free to poke as many holes in it as there are in Russiagate or Swiss cheese.

Trump is having the Fed print megazillions of bucks to float the economy during this epidemic. When the economy has once again stabilized, when the free-fall of GDP stops and some stability returns, why couldn't Trump tell the world that the USG will not repay its debt to the Fed. Such an action, if economically feasible, even though difficult, would dissolve the Fed. The Fed was illicitly, secretively crafted on Jekyll Island by millionaires--remember in 1913, a million bucks was lots of money. Of course, capitalist-racist-warmongering tool of the rich, Woody W signed the bill during a Christmas congressional recess, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, which occurs often.

Back to the gold standard perhaps. Death to the Petrodollar.

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@Alligator Ed

Trump is having the Fed print megazillions of bucks to float the economystock markit during this epidemic.
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those born Jewish

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now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh But...what about the Fed and Trump defaulting on debt owed to the Fed, not necessarily other debt holders. Can this be done? If it is done, what happens next?

You may have heard the old saying that an alligator and his money are soon parted. Please advise me before I invest in the neighboring swamp.

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@Alligator Ed in other countries yes, in ameriKa not so much. Debt jubilee's were normal once upon a time, neo/capitalism doesn't believe in forgiveness though

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

A single global reserve currency has significant advantages for the world, and that's why it happened in Bretton Woods in July, 1944. It provides for multiway trading and automatically reconciles trading across more than two nations. It was conceived that this currency would be backed by gold, as stability was key. The US grew massive trade imbalances and it became impossible to reconcile this with gold transfers, so the US decoupled the dollar from gold. At that point the US had a tremendous trading advantage, it was the one country that never needed to balance its global trade. It became global theft, both in trade and capital. Other countries needed to hold dollars if they wanted to trade. Then to top this off the US agreed with Saudi Arabia (FDR 1945) to price all oil in dollars and in return the US would protect the wonderful, democratic, freedom-loving Saudi royal family. The US was spectacularly unqualified to play the role of global reserve currency, and took advantage of it in every way possible, including using it as a tool to overthrow foreign governments and punish the people of nations that were not in favor. Not surprisingly China and Russia have had it up to their eyeballs with this arrangement.

Considering the symbiotic relationship that China has with most of the world, importing resources and exporting manufactured goods, a new global trading system makes sense. Multi-nation trade imbalances can be resolved overnight through central banks using computers. Long term imbalances need to be resolved through traditional means, including re-adjusting currencies, but no nation has an inherent advantage. Even Saudi oil will be sold in the new trading exchange. This will end the era where US consumers have an endless supply of cheap goods and never have to pay fair price. It will stop the huge sucking sound of the US vacuuming up all of the world's capital, including from the poorest third world nations. It will slay the beast of the US financial sector, but will be a huge stimulus to the US manufacturing sector. Can you imagine a US where we actually make things, instead of a killing in the market and on the battlefield, just one of many nations.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard
@The Wizard
to be fair, it is a good concept
the serious caveat would be who to
implement such a structure

the global money changers such as
IMF, World Bank and most central banks have
proven to be irresponsibly tilted toward the
benefit of the already rich and powerful
at the cost of the 99%

marketing austerity has proven problematic

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those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh

These two kids are making some great points since they started. It's great that two people from opposite points of views can work together and make it work.

BTW. Krystal is hated on the orange blob cuz they think she works for Bernie's campaign. How dumb. But then anyone who is critical of democrats are doing his bidding.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.