Clinton Dead Wrong: Natural Gas & Fracking are not the Bridge to a Cleaner Energy Future for America

The presumptive nominee believes that natural gas can be a bridge fuel to a cleaner energy future for the world, even if fracking technology is used to extract this resource, so long as we take the right approach and put in the right safeguards to prevent fugitive methane from escaping into the atmosphere. She couldn't be more wrong.

A recent study found that two percent (2%) of all the world's ethane emissions into the atmosphere came from a single oil field, the Bakken Shale, primarily located in in North Dakota, Montana and Manitoba. This is the very region where oil and gas operations, which often include hydrofracking, operations have risen tremendously over the past decade.

Uh, ethane? Did you forget the "m" in methane, Steven? Actually, no, I did not. While methane typically makes up 95 percent of natural gas, ethane, a hydrocarbon compound in the same family as methane, makes up a small component of natural gas. Ethane can range from 1%-6% of natural gas, and is commercially viable by itself, either as a byproduct or as part of the gas sold to consumers. Ethane is also a greenhouse gas, and studies at the end of the 20th century showed a correlation between ethane levels and the level of methane found in the Earth's atmosphere.

From 1984-2009, ethane emissions were declining. However, in 2010, a European mountain sensor noticed a sharp increase in atmospheric ethane. Researchers came up with the hypothesis that this was due to increased oil and gas operations in the United States. To test this, researchers flew over the Bakken Shale "in a NOAA Twin Otter aircraft, sampling air for 12 days in May 2014." The data they recovered should disturb anyone who does not believe the oil and gas industry's spin that natural gas production, including the means to extract it from shale formations, is clean and environmentally safe.

The researchers found that the Bakken Formation, an oil and gas field in North Dakota and Montana, is emitting roughly 2 percent of the globe's ethane. That's about 250,000 tons per year.

"Two percent might not sound like a lot, but the emissions we observed in this single region are 10 to 100 times larger than reported in inventories. They directly impact air quality across North America. And they're sufficient to explain much of the global shift in ethane concentrations," said Eric Kort, U-M assistant professor of climate and space sciences and engineering, and first author of the study published in Geophysical Research Letters.

This is the very region where oil and gas operations, which often include hydrofracking operations, have risen tremendously over the past decade. In December, 2005, there were 219 oil producing wells there. As of the end of February, 2016, that number had increased by 4,658% to 10,420 producing wells. Now the Bakken field is primarily an "oil play," i.e., natural gas production is a much smaller component of what oil and gas companies in the area are extracting from their wells. As of 2013, many wells were flaring (i.e., burning off) natural gas from their wells because the infrastructure to recapture it for commercial purposes was not fully in place, although major efforts to increase natural gas production from the Bakken formation are underway.

You might recall that last summer, a Harvard study suggested that U.S. methane emissions “increased by more than 30 per cent over the past decade.” They could not pinpoint this rise in methane emissions to the rapid increase in oil and gas production in the United States, and many industry spokespeople disputed the results of that study and others that suggested U.S. oil and gas operations had led to a dangerous rise in methane emissions.

In the meantime, the numbers have already been disputed. “The release of these partially revised numbers is misleading,” said the American Petroleum Institute’s vice president for regulatory and economic policy, Kyle Isakower, in March. “We have every reason to believe that the final data, when issued, will still indicate a significant downward trend in emissions even as oil and natural gas production has risen.”">In the meantime, the numbers have already been disputed. “The release of these partially revised numbers is misleading,” said the American Petroleum Institute’s vice president for regulatory and economic policy, Kyle Isakower, in March. “We have every reason to believe that the final data, when issued, will still indicate a significant downward trend in emissions even as oil and natural gas production has risen.”

I know, it's hard not to take that statement, or any statement regarding the environmentally clean nature of natural gas production, seriously, considering the recent Aliso Canyon disaster in California, where "97,100 metric tons of methane," the largest in U.S. history were released by a storage facility operated by Southern California Gas Company, which is wholly owned by Sempra Energy, a Fortune 500 company with revenues over $10 Billion per year.

Now we have direct evidence that a significant increase in atmospheric ethane came from the Bakken shale formation, not even the largest shale formation where natural gas is being produced. Those would be the Marcellus and Utica Shale formations largely located in Pennsylvania, Ohio and New York. Wells drilled in those shale formations, primarily in Pennsylvania, represent 85% of the growth in the natural gas production in the United States since 2012. Overall, the EPA has determined oil and gas wells in shale formations such as the Marcellus, Bakken and Eagle (in Texas) fields equals 56% of all the natural gas produced in the continental United States.

Yet, few studies have been done to determine the extent to which the increase in methane emissions is related to oil and gas extraction operations in these massive shale formations. That is why this recent study regarding ethane emissions from the Bakken field is so important. Ethane is essentially a good proxy for methane, as both hydrocarbon compounds are found together in fields where natural gas is produced.

Even the EPA has been forced to admit that its previously rosy outlook on methane emissions from fossil fuel extraction were grossly underestimated.

With EPA’s next annual methane report due to be published by April 15, early signs suggest that the agency is taking steps to fix the methane mismatch. A preliminary draft of the report revises the agency’s methane calculations for 2013 — the most recent year reported — upward by about 27 percent for the natural gas and petroleum sectors, a difference of about 2 million metric tons. [...]

EPA’s reports don’t just misjudge the scale of emissions, they also miss the long-term trend, recent work suggests. EPA reported that U.S. methane emissions remained largely unchanged from 2002 to 2014. But researchers report online March 2 in Geophysical Research Letters that emissions of the greenhouse gas rose more than 30 percent over that period. The United States could be responsible for as much as 30 to 60 percent of the global increase in methane emissions over the last decade, the study’s authors conclude. “We’re definitely not a small piece of that pie,” says Harvard University atmospheric scientist Alex Turner, who coauthored the study.

Yet, natural gas, particularly natural gas from shale field operations, is still being touted as the bridge to a cleaner energy future by both the Obama administration, and by the leading contender for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton argued at last night's Democratic debate that supporting fracking during her years as secretary of State was necessary to help wean the world from coal power and to assist Europe in getting out from under Russian pressure. The subject of New York's own fracking ban never came up at the debate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders brought back attacks that Clinton fostered fracking in other countries, an issue he's highlighted to the delight of his green backers. "For economic and strategic reasons it was American policy to try to help countries get out from under the constant use of coal, building coal plants all the time," Clinton said. "So we did say natural gas is a bridge. We want to cross that bridge as quickly as possible ... in order to deal with climate change."

Except the experts don't see natural gas, and fracking to extract it, as all that helpful in dealing with climate change. Quite the contrary:

“We cannot solely rely on abundant gas to solve the climate change problem. The climate change problem requires a climate change solution. Abundant gas could be great for any number of things, but it is not going to solve the climate change problem.”

This statement was made by Haewon McJeon, the lead author on a new study published last week by Nature magazine, which concluded that cheap abundant natural gas will actually delay any efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

This isn’t the first study to reach this conclusion. In the 2013 study “Climate Consequences of Natural Gas as a Bridge Fuel,” author Michael Levi reached a similar conclusion. He noted that for natural gas to be beneficial as a bridge fuel it had to be a short bridge with gas consumption peaking by 2020 or 2030.

Unfortunately, what Hillary considers as a short bridge might be very long indeed, considering her statements in 2014 before the National Clean Energy Summit, when she was far more open about her enthusiasm for natural gas to solve the climate change crisis.

At Sen. Harry Reid’s National Clean Energy Summit, Clinton called climate change “the most consequential, urgent, sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world.”

She also cited the potential benefits of producing and exporting natural gas and oil.

“Assuming that our production stays at the levels, or even as some predict, goes higher, I do think there’s a play there,” she said, noting it could help Europe and Asia amid continuing problems with Iran. “This is a great economic advantage, a competitive advantage, for us. … We don’t want to give that up.”

Why does Secretary Clinton still consider fracking and natural gas a solution at all, in light of what we now know about the increase in methane emissions since the fracking boom began in the U.S. and around the world? Methane is, after all, a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, eight-six (86) times more potent to be exact in the short term, i.e. over a twenty year period. Furthermore, using fracking to extract natural gas is extremely detrimental to our water supply.

The EPA estimates that 70 billion to 140 billion gallons of water were used nationwide in 2011 for fracturing an estimated 35,000 wells [22]. Unlike other energy-related water withdrawals, which are commonly returned to rivers and lakes, most of the water used for unconventional oil and gas development is not recoverable. Depending on the type of well along with its depth and location, a single well with horizontal drilling can require 3 million to 12 million gallons of water when it is first fractured — dozens of times more than what is used in conventional vertical wells [23]. Similar vast volumes of water are needed each time a well undergoes a “work over,” or additional fracturing later in its life to maintain well pressure and gas production. A typical shale gas well will have about two work overs during its productive life span.

Not recoverable means not treatable to make it safe for human consumption. In other words, not drinkable. Fracking for natural gas extraction is already having an impact in California, where it's making the problems of drought even worse.

In California, where a drought emergency was declared last month, 96% of new oil and gas wells were located in areas where there was already fierce competition for water. The pattern holds for other regions caught up in the oil and gas rush. Most of the wells in New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming were also located in areas of high water stress, the report said.

Hillary Clinton recently said she was not inclined to adopt any part of Senator Sanders' agenda to earn the votes of his supporters. Perhaps she should reconsider her position on that, particularly when it comes to the extraction, production and consumption of natural gas as a "bridge fuel." Hillary thinks we can avoid making climate change worse through methane emissions related to oil and gas extraction, even fracking, if we just put "the right safeguards in place." Indeed, her plan regarding natural gas is to enforce better regulations to prevent methane leaks, and employ better tax incentives to spur investment in clean energy. Yeah, that's right. Tax incentives.

What the latest data is showing us, however, is that there are no right safeguards, short of turning away from fossil fuels and fracking altogether. You know, the position advocated by the other Democratic candidate in the race, Bernie Sanders, whose supporters Clinton and her surrogates demean, make horrid jokes about or simply dismiss on a regular basis as "dupes."

Sadly, I don't expect Hillary Clinton, should she become the next President, to do anything to halt the dangerous and harmful effects of oil and gas drilling operations in the United States. She simply isn't credible when she claims she'll protect us from any further methane emissions from US oil and gas companies, considering her record on promoting fracking around the world as Obama's Secretary of State to benefit her "friends and allies." Solving the climate change crisis is simply not a priority for her from what I can tell, which is too bad for everyone who cares about the future of the planet and our survival as a species.

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Would like to see a picture of Clintons fishing here!

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For their income from lobbyists and industry, we'd have proof REALLY fucking fast for why Hillary is supporting fracking.

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Do fracking activities cause earthquakes? Seismologists and the state of Oklahoma say yes
Earthquakes increasing in volume and intensity around fracking and waste disposal sites
By Terry Reith and Briar Stewart, CBC News Posted: Apr 28, 2016 3:00 AM MT| Last Updated: Apr 28, 2016 8:11 AM

In the heartland of Oklahoma sits a pretty town dotted with American flags and a quaint main street of century-old brick buildings. But in Guthrie, the devastating impact of oil-industry-induced earthquakes is being felt hard.

Look closely and you see cracks in the historic buildings, where the old masonry is giving way to a shifting ground. Guthrie has seen a wave of earthquakes since hydraulic fracturing — or fracking — picked up in the area.

There's no denial from the Oklahoma government or seismologists from 20 countries who met in Reno, Nev., last week that practices related to fracking are behind the swarms of earthquakes that have increased in volume and intensity since 2011.

"There's definitely a relationship between deep well disposal and the earthquake activity," the state's oil and gas regulator, Tim Baker, said in an interview with CBC News, referring to the practice of injecting fracking waste water deep into the ground.

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“Oklahoma experienced 585 magnitude 3+ earthquakes in 2014 compared to 109 events recorded in 2013.” Note: Only Earthquakes with a magnitude of 3.0 and higher are displayed. Map credit: Oklahoma Office Of The Secretary Of Energy & Environment
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more than five years ago.

Surprise! They were right.

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because of that report... I have family that lives right in the heart of those clusters... Sad

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We'll hope it goes around them, and around everyone else living there.

Lots of indications of coming quakes and volcanoes along the big plates around the Ring of Fire, that are affected by melting glaciers, too, as their weight unloads. Maybe Oklahoma will just have small ones.

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can be pretty destructive. Nothing is really built for it. The world’s largest oil storage tank farm is in Cushing. Approximately 80 million barrels of crude oil. Can you imagine what would happen if an earthquake ruptured those tanks...? Not even thinking about the spill...I am thinking about the explosion.

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Hertfordshire Oil Storage Terminal Fire, December 11, 2005
That Sunday morning there was a series of major explosions at one of the biggest oil depots in the UK—60,000,000 imp gal (270,000,000 L) capacity—in Buncefield, England. The explosions were heard over 100 miles away, as far as the Netherlands and France. Astonishingly, there was not a single fatality.

And they were amazingly LUCKY that there were no fatalities. Below is a Google sat. map of the area... An awful lot of people live in Cushing...and Drumright is only about 10 miles... I have family in both places.

https://www.google.ca/maps/search/cushing,+oklahoma+oil+storage+near+homes/@35.9610169,-96.7627981,2267m/data=!3m1!1e3

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Fracking doesn't add energy to the fault system - it appears to merely lubricate the faults to release the energy more slowly. This is arguably a good thing over the long term (because it will reduce the eventual big one) but in the short term, it certainly can cause damage that might not have occurred in our lifetimes.

More specifically, it is not clear to me what sort of de-amplification effects might be involved. Replacing a "small" number of weak contact points with stronger post-quake contacts might actually lessen the likelihood of later minor slippages triggering big quakes that "break through" the weak contact point restraints. But I am not anything like a geologist, so if anyone has references that go beyond the simple observational trends given here, please reply.

That part of the world has a surprising potential for devastating quakes. The nearby New Madrid system has seen some of the largest quakes ever reported in the lower 48, so understanding the real effects here is important regardless of the fracking connection.

So while there are plenty of reasons to stop fracking, my understanding is that the earthquake one - while playing well in the media - is still pretty murky. We should stick to the stuff that is more solidly understood.

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It's not very murky at all.

Stanford geophysicists have identified the triggering mechanism responsible for the recent spike of earthquakes in parts of Oklahoma – a crucial first step in eventually stopping them.

In a new study published in the June 19 issue of the journal Science Advances, Stanford Professor Mark Zoback and doctoral student Rall Walsh show that the state’s rising number of earthquakes coincided with dramatic increases in the disposal of salty wastewater into the Arbuckle formation, a 7,000-foot-deep sedimentary formation under Oklahoma.

In addition, the pair showed that the primary source of the quake-triggering wastewater is not so-called “flowback water” generated after hydraulic fracturing operations. Rather, the culprit is “produced water” – brackish water that naturally coexists with oil and gas within the Earth. Drilling companies separate produced water from extracted oil and gas and typically reinject it into deeper disposal wells.

“What we’ve learned in this study is that the fluid injection responsible for most of the recent quakes in Oklahoma is due to production and subsequent injection of massive amounts of wastewater, and is unrelated to hydraulic fracturing,” said Zoback, the Benjamin M. Page Professor in the School of Earth, Energy & Environmental Sciences.

The Stanford study results were a major contributing factor in the recent decision by the Oklahoma Geological Survey (OGS) to issue a statement that said it was “very likely” that most of the state’s recent earthquakes are due to the injection of produced water into disposal wells that extend down to, or even beyond, the Arbuckle formation.

“The Stanford scientists’ findings were carefully considered before we issued the statement, and contributed to the scientific credibility of the statement,” said OGS state seismologist Austin Holland, who was not involved in the study.

“We’ve been waiting for exactly this type of study,” said Michael Teague, Oklahoma’s Secretary of Energy & Environment. “These findings help us understand the case better so that we can evaluate options that we can take to go forward in finding ways to reduce the quakes.”

Rex Buchanan, interim director of the Kansas Geological Survey (KGS), said the Stanford study fills a critical hole in scientific discussions about what is behind the recent quakes plaguing the Midwest. “Many experts have known that the volumes of produced water going into disposal wells greatly dwarf the volumes of flowback water from hydraulic fracturing. But quantifying that is important, and what Mark and Rall have done here is to provide hard numbers to those volumes,” said Buchanan, who also did not participate in the study.

While the actual initial fracking process or other traditional well drilling techniques are not the main cause of earthquakes, the disposal of all that contaminated wastewater injected into "disposal wells" is clearly the cause of the recent outbreaks of earthquakes in Oklahoma and elsewhere. Wastewater that is untreatable and cannot be used for human consumption. Google "Rocky Mountain Arsenal" wastewater and earthquakes and you'll pull up information that shows the same process, this time dealing with wastewater contaminated from the production of components of nuclear weapons that was injected deep underground into disposal well, which led to unusual earthquake activity in and around Denver Colorado, activity the government finally acknowledged was caused by the underground injection wastewater in 2011:

According to the U.S. Army’s Rocky Mountain Arsenal website, the RMA drilled a deep well for disposing of the site’s liquid waste after the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency “concluded that this procedure is effective and protective of the environment.” According to the RMA, “The Rocky Mountain Arsenal deep injection well was constructed in 1961, and was drilled to a depth of 12,045 feet” and 165 million gallons of Basin F liquid waste, consisting of “very salty water that includes some metals, chlorides, wastewater and toxic organics” was injected into the well during 1962-1966.

Why was the process halted? “The Army discontinued use of the well in February 1966 because of the possibility that the fluid injection was “triggering earthquakes in the area,” according to the RMA. In 1990, the “Earthquake Hazard Associated with Deep Well Injection–A Report to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency” study of RMA events by Craig Nicholson, and R.I. Wesson stated simply, “Injection had been discontinued at the site in the previous year once the link between the fluid injection and the earlier series of earthquakes was established.”

Twenty-five years later, “possibility” and ‘established” changed in the Environmental Protection Agency’s July 2001 87 page study, “Technical Program Overview: Underground Injection Control Regulations EPA 816-r-02-025,” which reported, “In 1967, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) determined that a deep, hazardous waste disposal well at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal was causing significant seismic events in the vicinity of Denver, Colorado.” [...]

The cause was injection of fluids into deep wells for waste disposal and secondary recovery of oil, and the use of reservoirs for water supplies. Most of these earthquakes were minor. The largest and most widely known resulted from fluid injection at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. In 1967, an earthquake of magnitude 5.5 followed a series of smaller earthquakes. Injection had been discontinued at the site in the previous year once the link between the fluid injection and the earlier series of earthquakes was established.”

I grew up in Denver in the mid 60's and have clear memories of these earthquakes that exceeded 4.0 and higher on the Richter scale, which I discussed in this post at Booman Tribune and Daily Kos (link is to the Booman Tribune website, so no need to worry about giving clicks to Markos).

Over 1,300 earthquakes were recorded at Bergen Park between January 1963 and August 9, 1967. Three shocks in 1965 -- February 16, September 29, and November 20 -- caused intensity VI damage in Commerce City and environs. [...]

Another strong shock rumbled through the Denver area on November 14, 1966, causing some damage at Commerce City and Eastlake. Slighter rumblings (below magnitude 3.0) occurred throughout the remainder of 1966, and through the first week of April 1967.

Then, on April 10, the largest since the series began in 1962 occurred; 118 windowpanes were broken in buildings at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal, a crack in an asphalt parking lot was noted in the Derby area, and schools were dismissed in Boulder, where walls sustained cracks. Legislators quickly moved from beneath chandeliers in the Denver Capitol Building, fearing they might fall. The Colorado School of Mines rated this shock magnitude 5.0.

Boulder sustained minor damage to walls and acoustical tile ceilings on April 27, 1967, as result of a magnitude 4.4 earthquake. Then a year and half after the Rocky Mountain Arsenal waste dumping practice stopped, the strongest and most widely felt shock in Denver's history struck that area on August 9, 1967, at 6:25 in the morning. The magnitude 5.3 tremor caused the most serious damage at Northglenn, where concrete pillar supports to a church roof were weakened, and 20 windows were broken. An acoustical ceiling and light fixtures fell at one school. Many homeowners reported wall, ceiling, floor, patio, sidewalk, and foundation cracks. Several reported basement floors separated from walls. Extremely loud, explosivelike earth noises were heard. Damage on a lesser scale occurred throughout the area.

During November 1967, the Denver region was shaken by five moderate earthquakes. Two early morning shocks occurred November 14. They awakened many residents, but were not widely felt. A similar shock, magnitude 4.1, centered in the Denver area November 15. Residents were generally shaken, but no damage was sustained. A local shock awakened a few persons in Commerce City November 25. Houses creaked and objects rattled during this magnitude 2.1 earthquake.

The second largest earthquake in the Denver series occurred on November 26, 1967. The magnitude 5.2 event caused widespread minor damage in the suburban areas of northeast Denver. Many residents reported it was the strongest earthquake they had ever experienced. It was felt at Laramie, Wyoming, to the northwest, east to Goodland, Kansas, and south to Pueblo, Colorado. At Commerce City merchandise fell in several supermarkets and walls cracked in larger buildings. Several persons scurried into the streets when buildings started shaking back and forth.

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As you both ably document, that is now well understood. My apologies if that was not clear. And thanks for the stuff on the nuclear weapons waste - yikes! I'm not disagreeing with either of you, just talking tactics.

The problem is the long term cost/benefit analysis. There is an argument to be made (not saying I agree with it) that the smaller quakes "defuse" an impending larger one, and I don't know of any research on this subject either way (if you have some, I'd love to see it.) Certainly if you have 10,000 4.0 quakes, that is equivalent to one 8.0 (the Richter scale is logarithmic) but one can argue that it is better to take a small amount of damage spread around than to have total devastation all at once. Of course that 8.0 might not happen for 100s of years, and we ought to make such decisions democratically instead of having them shoved down our throats by the fossil fuel industry as a fait accompli...

So I just want us to be careful to use arguments that are hard to refute. Not that our enemies won't try, but forcing them to lie just seems like better tactics than giving them any wiggle room. Of course it is hard to argue with homes damaged by earthquakes too, so maybe it just depends on the venue.

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you can't lubricate a fault to prevent a large quake...

FICTION: You can prevent large earthquakes by making lots of small ones, or by “lubricating” the fault with water.

Seismologists have observed that for every magnitude 6 earthquake there are about 10 of magnitude 5, 100 of magnitude 4, 1,000 of magnitude 3, and so forth as the events get smaller and smaller. This sounds like a lot of small earthquakes, but there are never enough small ones to eliminate the occasional large event. It would take 32 magnitude 5's, 1000 magnitude 4's, OR 32,000 magnitude 3's to equal the energy of one magnitude 6 event. So, even though we always record many more small events than large ones, there are far too few to eliminate the need for the occasional large earthquake.

As for “lubricating” faults with water or some other substance, if anything, this would have the opposite effect. Injecting high-pressure fluids deep into the ground is known to be able to trigger earthquakes—to cause them to occur sooner than would have been the case without the injection. This would be a dangerous pursuit in any populated area, as one might trigger a damaging earthquake.

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Want to know why Oklahoma went for the Bernster earlier this year? Oklahoma--the Inhofe state. The residents there are losing it over all the fracking damage. Same thing with Colorado tho it's not as red/stupid as OK. That's why I hoped Pennsylvania would vote that way, even with all the voting corruption there. Shrill's people locked it up. Too bad!

How many pure closed primaries are left now? The ones where they can cheat the public out of voting? Not many. Indiana is already going for the Bernster. California and Oregon are biting at the bit cos they want to be counted. West Virginia will be another one. Have the Dakotas weighed in yet? Montana? Little ole Washington, D.C.? I am a proud DC native.

Bernie will see this one through all 50 states and territories. The people are still donating to him like crazyl. He will be so powerful when he comes to Philadelphia. I am looking forward to it. Can't wait to watch Shrill squirm. Shrill vs. Hairball brain. What's the difference? Rec'd!

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Want to know why Oklahoma went for the Bernster earlier this year? Oklahoma--the Inhofe state. The residents there are losing it over all the fracking damage. Same thing with Colorado tho it's not as red/stupid as OK. That's why I hoped Pennsylvania would vote that way, even with all the voting corruption there. Shrill's people locked it up. Too bad!

How many pure closed primaries are left now? The ones where they can cheat the public out of voting? Not many. Indiana is already going for the Bernster. California and Oregon are biting at the bit cos they want to be counted. West Virginia will be another one. Have the Dakotas weighed in yet? Montana? Little ole Washington, D.C.? I am a proud DC native.

Bernie will see this one through all 50 states and territories. The people are still donating to him like crazyl. He will be so powerful when he comes to Philadelphia. I am looking forward to it. Can't wait to watch Shrill squirm. Shrill vs. Hairball brain. What's the difference? Rec'd!

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Hellery consistently illustrates poor decision making. Think it's about money? I do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/hillary-clinton-fracking_n_5796...

In late 2011, Clinton finally unveiled the new Bureau of Energy Resources, with 63 employees and a multimillion-dollar budget. She also promised to instruct US embassies around the globe to step up their work on energy issues and “pursue more outreach to private-sector energy” firms, some of which had generously supported both her and President Barack Obama’s political campaigns. (One Chevron executive bundled large sums for Clinton’s 2008 presidential bid, for example.)

When, if ever, will the dirt of the Clinton foundation find light? Finally there's some talk about an indictment. TYT 9 min

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A bridge to big paydays from the energy industry.

They are also a bridge to undrinkable water and earthquakes

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We really do need a political revolution, and nothing is worse for such a thing than Hillary Clinton.

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Fracking Hell i think.
To paraphrase; A bridge is a structure you build to get from where you are to place you want to be, so as to avoid something you want to have NO part of. Building that bridge out of the stuff you want to have NO part of just doesn't make any rational sense.

It maybe true that you get by with fewer SOX emissions, less soot, etc. but that "cleanliness" is more than offset but the bigger harm done by all the methane let loose in the atmosphere from extraction and mishandling. Not to mention all the subsidence that will happen because of the quakes that are happening, long lasting if not permanent ground water and aquifer contamination.

It's like those engineered-to-be-ignored warnings pharma is required to give in their druggy commercials. "This stuff is great, but it'll probably kill half of you".

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In the 2013 study “Climate Consequences of Natural Gas as a Bridge Fuel,” author Michael Levi reached a similar conclusion. He noted that for natural gas to be beneficial as a bridge fuel it had to be a short bridge with gas consumption peaking by 2020 or 2030.

Natural gas produces about half of the CO2 per kilowatt hour than coal, and many of the new plants are far more efficient, creating a net gain of about 3, or 1/3 CO2 per kWH.

Okay, fine, but where the hell is the government in regulating fracking? It should be regulating use of liquids and release of methane. NG is going to be a bridge fuel, but must have a very short lifetime.

There has to be a plan and only the government can do this. We need to reverse the increase in NG plants by 2020. But this will only be possible if we are bringing sustainable energy online in units of gigawatts. This isn't going to happen by itself, damn it. By 2030 there should be only a few NG plants online, and only to produce peaking power when intermittent sustainable sources are not producing.

I have to point out that the US has decreased CO2 emissions because of decommissioning coal plants. But, this is not because there was any great awareness on the part of government or our "leaders" but because gas became cheaper and meeting EPA requirements became harder for coal. This is an incredibly important point, we are leaderless when it comes to moving to sustainability. We are open loop, allow the energy companies to do whatever they want. We are also bullshit paranoid about Russia and are looking for a way to displace Russian gas and oil in Europe. It won't happen, LNG is not going to be shipped from the US to ports in Europe. That would be a disaster as we would be suffering all of the consequences of extracting fracted NG for the imaginary purpose of hurting Russia, than you Hellery.

This is again verification that we need a revolution. Only Bernie's philosophy can begin to deal with sustainability from a global perspective. Otherwise we are going to get "clean coal" and fracked "bridged gas". Everyone else, every political party every candidate other than Bernie is exactly the same, stuck in a 20th century mentality about capitulating to capital and doing nothing because "the free market knows best". Bullshit, if you believe that then we will never save ourselves.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

riverlover's picture

I am not even sure that presumptive Pres HRC wants to begin changeover until her second term. Not good for America, not good for the world.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

orlbucfan's picture

What second term? She'll probably be indicted or impeached by then. If she's even elected to start with!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960

orlbucfan's picture

What second term? She'll probably be indicted or impeached by then. If she's even elected to start with!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

Steven D's picture

But not enough to make up for the methane emissions which have lit the torch on climate change.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

Hawkfish's picture

So while CO2 may be a wash, at least some other stuff isn't. Killing off coal is probably a net gain - although I agree that it is too small a step compared to what we actually need.

Really, we just need to find a way to get the green gorillas to freeze to death...

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

ngant17's picture

at last count. I read that this hasn't occurred since about 3 million years ago.

400 to 500ppm in 35 years from now. 500 to 600ppm predicted to reach even quicker than that. Maybe good for photosynthesis but we'd need an awful lot of new greening on this planet to bring the levels back down.

But OTOH the +400 nuclear power plants in the world can't be decommissioned fast enough to prevent any Fukushima-grade meltdowns. Plutonium in the oceans is just one nasty apocalypse. One pound evenly distributed would kill everyone on the planet.

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And probably still are thanks to fracking.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

she KNOWS we know she's lying and she fucking doesn't care! She's taken oil & gas industry money. I'm a disowned member of a family that got wealthy on oil and gas and I KNOW how they play and what they sound like and I'm telling you she's ONE of them!

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