Against the political spectrum

OK I guess I was set off by this piece written last year that popped up when I opened Mozilla. It comes from last year, but the filter misidentified it as recent. "People With Extreme Political Views Have Trouble Thinking About Their Own Thinking." First off, this is an attempt to equate "Right," which today is used to cover a number of cultish views on various topics, and "Left," which today is used to marry anyone who wants a better world with the so-called "Left" of the Clintons and the Obamas. Secondly, this article tries to argue that if you have an "extreme" view, there's something wrong with your head. Here's the money passage:

This finding—which the team replicated with tests on the second group of participants—suggests that the metacognition of radicals plays a part in shaping their beliefs. In other words, they actually can’t question their own ideas the same way more moderate individuals can.

On the other hand, it seems to me that the two groups that really can't be bothered to question their own opinions are 1) people who write pieces like this and 2) the "researchers" they quote.

In fact, we radicals are quite open-minded and are willing to question all sorts of ideas, including our own, for (for instance) dealing with climate change. If we're unwilling to question whether or not climate change is real, it's probably for many of the same reasons we're unwilling to question the law of gravity or some such other arcana of physics.

There's nothing sacred about the political spectrum. The terms "Right" and "Left" are derived from the Estates-General of ancien regime France, the "Left" being the representatives of the commoners, who sat on the left-hand side of the auditorium, and the "Right" representing the nobility and the clergy. Guess where they sat? And do you want dates for the Estates-General? Here's Wikipedia, quoting from a scholarly paper:

The Estates General met intermittently until 1614 and only once afterwards, in 1789, but was not definitively dissolved until after the French Revolution.

So yes we are talking about something very old and not-so-relevant to present-day politics. Anyway, what you see in most of American politics today is a manufactured Right and a manufactured Left, who agree basically on money, and so they agree on practically everything. But of course they must run against each other in political campaigns, Democrat "Left" versus Republican "Right," and so they invent big disagreements full of lots of bluster standing for nothing.

What's prevented in such formulations is real politics. The Left is kewl because it supports that good-public-speaker polite guy Barack Obama, who in turn had his cabinet chosen by a Citigroup executive, who liked drone strikes, cuts to food stamps, and deportations, and who left behind a solid wall of Republican officeholders throughout most of America when he left the White House. So that's the Left.

The Right, on the other hand, supports that rude guy Donald Trump, who wrote a couple of books of Obama-era Republican boilerplate before running a successful campaign for President and whose real passion appears to have been making appearances on WWE programming and having a program called "The Apprentice" where he could exercise his catch-phrase "you're fired."

Nowhere in this political spectrum are we able to find:

1) The party of compassion
2) The party of curiosity
3) The party of imagination
4) The party of focused intelligence (sorry Pete Buttigieg, you cater to the not-so-bright)
5) The party of human and non-human nature

Or for that matter any party that is willing to do something more than sacrifice the planet and the people standing upon it on the altar of "cheap nature."

We need to invent that party. Perhaps for inventing that party we will be tagged on the Left, but that won't be our fault. What was Jesus' tag line? "Thou sayest it."

Second thought: maybe for now that party can be the party of Bernie Sanders. But will the Sanders party be that party after the primaries are over, if the leadership cheats Sanders of the nomination again?

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US culture, such as it is, produced a hybrid government that was never steeped in the juices of self awareness. Its national history was brief compared to the normal spectrum of governing evolution. The governed share no common ancestral memories of war lords and clans, emperors and kings that you will find in the Old World governments in the Eastern hemisphere. It is so mechanized and fragile that the People never once found the inner strength to revise or improve it as they were admonished to do every 20 years or so. Thus, it remains an artificial artifact that can be conveniently "translated" into modern law by those in power.

Thus, the US is a 'pop-up' nation with a do-it-yourself government designed by a privileged crew, who, had they been born in this era, would have surely been gamers.

The governing divide between commoners and nobility may be an historic example of a divided house, but I do believe that the two-sided political divide runs through all governments that endure, regardless of how many political parties they create. Humans cannot achieve their potential — or even survive long, for that matter — without the support of a society. And that fact creates the core division that runs through all governments: The self-determination of the individual versus the group-determination of the society that provides the platform for the individual's aspirations. The division is not always political, but when it is, it is defined as the Right and the Left, is it not?. On this scale, the extremes might be Sociopaths (Individual-Right) and Authoritarians (Society-Left).

I'm comfortable with that as an immutable paradigm.

The point of all that is to frame the context of the United State's Pop-Up government, which is entirely void of any natural, shared, social evolution that might have informed it. My hypothesis is that the synthetic and experimental compounding of the government doctrine — as well thought out as it was — distorted the natural development of the universal Right-Left divide (individual vs. society). In the case of the instant US government, there was a mutation (perhaps a cognitive mismatch because it was a genocide nation). The "Left" never fully emerged. Its wings were clipped and it never flew.

The Left has always been treated like a dangerous infection by the body politic. Some of the Left exists as a large cyst in the Democratic Party. Most of the Left is hidden in the unaffiliated mist.

We need to invent that party. Perhaps for inventing that party we will be tagged on the Left, but that won't be our fault.

I do agree. A Left must emerge in American politics to protect a society that is being suffocated by the Sociopaths, who have run amok with the nation's money and power. Despair is on the rise and trust in public institutions and the media is gone.

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@Pluto's Republic the creation of a "political spectrum" appears as mostly like a mask. Even if you were to conceive of the "Left" as the good guys, the "Right" is what? Men with curlicue mustaches who tie up young women to railroad tracks in front of onrushing trains? Syndicate leaders plotting world domination (with the aid of legions of obedient flunkies) from the safety of lairs inside extinct volcanoes? It's just another mask.

When the "Left" was into socialism, the "far-Right" called itself the "National Socialist" party or NSDAP, colloquially the Nazis. The "far-Right" today uses this "National Socialist" name to smear socialists with a false association with Nazis. The "Left" of today does not know what socialism is. Bernie Sanders calls social democracy "socialism," which might be good for now. At any rate, how can we promise something when we don't know what it is? It's much easier to create a mask.

And, no, I am not merely expressing my disdain for politics. Rather, once we tear off the political spectrum mask, real politics becomes more likely than it was with the mask on.

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"But in America particularly, a deep worry is now consciously gnawing the ruling class—they can see it, feel it: that the American Empire is on its last legs, close to collapse."-- Simplicius

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@Pluto's Republic the creation of a "political spectrum" appears as mostly like a mask. Even if you were to conceive of the "Left" as the good guys, the "Right" is what? Men with curlicue mustaches who tie up young women to railroad tracks in front of onrushing trains? Syndicate leaders plotting world domination (with the aid of legions of obedient flunkies) from the safety of lairs inside extinct volcanoes? It's just another mask.

When the "Left" was into socialism, the "far-Right" called itself the "National Socialist" party or NSDAP, colloquially the Nazis. The "far-Right" today uses this "National Socialist" name to smear socialists with a false association with Nazis. The "Left" of today does not know what socialism is. Bernie Sanders calls social democracy "socialism," which might be good for now. At any rate, how can we promise something when we don't know what it is? It's much easier to create a mask.

And, no, I am not merely expressing my disdain for politics. Rather, once we tear off the political spectrum mask, real politics becomes more likely than it was with the mask on.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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Project Their Own Bullshit Onto Others."

Is there a magazine that will publish that?

On a related note--with whom is that particular "science" popular?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal between WWE crowds cheering violent spectacles in a ring and political rallies cheering on "leaders" promising violence.

Here's a rant supposedly explaining Trump's "success" as President, well, "success" for a President who lost the popular vote by a significant margin and whose approval ratings hover between 46 and 35 percent. This is supposed to illustrate how the "Right" thinks today. At any rate, the most telling part of this rant is as follows:

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60's. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

At any rate, this is as pure an illustration of example-free prose as I can find anywhere. The idea of the "violent take-over of the universities" ceased to have meaning after 1971. And an example of pre-Bernie Sanders and pre-Donald Trump "Left" might have served the author's purposes too, had those purposes included argument.

This is what I mean by "cultish" opinion. It's not really opinion, but if you sign on, you can join the club. That appears to be its primary function. I bet the people who believe this stuff might also be persuaded to have real opinions, using real arguments, if anyone bothered.

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"But in America particularly, a deep worry is now consciously gnawing the ruling class—they can see it, feel it: that the American Empire is on its last legs, close to collapse."-- Simplicius

The problem comes when one realizes "the extreme left" does not exist as a political force in this country. Sure, you have anti-vaxxers, chem-trailers, and other fringe groups that might pass as radical "left" in a vacuum, but nowhere near the numbers of evangelical Überchristians that infest the far right. Just try telling one of them that their imaginary enemy (who resembles Lovecraft's creations more than anything) will not return in a bloody holocaust and rapture the good Überchristians up to--what they call Heaven but you wouldn't want to spend time there any more than in their mythical Hell (usually Dante's version).

On the left you may find someone who refused to go outside whenever Mercury turns retrograde, or refuses to drink with a plastic straw.

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@SancheLlewellyn is quite compatible with the elite consensus. Which doesn't make the "extreme Right" all that extreme, except that the elite consensus is itself an extreme thing, sticking with capitalism as Australia and Brazil burn, France goes into general strike, and half of South America is either in army lockdown (Bolivia) or megaprotest (Chile).

It's only when the "extreme Left" gets into Bernie territory that the elite consensus panics. Which is bizarre given that Bernie Sanders would in another era be a mainstream New Deal Democrat. Oh, and WE'RE the closed-minded bunch.

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@SancheLlewellyn should we ourselves wait until Africa has its next famine before we note that the "extremists" are the ones telling the truth?

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"But in America particularly, a deep worry is now consciously gnawing the ruling class—they can see it, feel it: that the American Empire is on its last legs, close to collapse."-- Simplicius

to define what the "extreme" left is, like they did most everything. The right defines the left as anything they throw and sticks to the wall, and the dems run away crying "not me!". The scribes go along with it, too. Besides it's just 2 factions of the Capitalist Party squabbling. They wouldn't even bother us except for the need for our vote. Even that seems to be a formality.

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there comes to mind a far left and a far right. I'm thinking of the Weather Underground and Tim McVeigh. While hey both believed in the wrongness of the government, the the Weather Underground phoned in warnings so people could evacuate, while McVeigh didn't care who he killed, including day care kids.

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@Snode was in real-life defunct by 1973. Tim McVeigh, on the other hand, lived on to become that guy Stephen Paddock who killed 58 people from the window of a Las Vegas hotel two years ago. I'm trying to imagine these people in an alternate history in which the United States had, some decades ago, amended the Second Amendment to allow for Australian-style gun control.

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"But in America particularly, a deep worry is now consciously gnawing the ruling class—they can see it, feel it: that the American Empire is on its last legs, close to collapse."-- Simplicius

@Cassiodorus But who would you pick as an extreme left example? The Weather underground was the only one that I could think of that didn't have some narrow axe to grind. McVeigh was very politically radicalized on the right. Did anyone ever figure out what Paddock was about? I thought he was another Charles Whitman.

I kept reading that the extremes on right and left eventually reach a point where they resemble each other. The biggest difference I could think of was the left disrupted and attacked property and drew the line at killing innocents. The far right doesn't have that line, and almost can't wait to start killing, punishing their imagined enemies. With all the RW propaganda we're subjected to, I'm starting to worry.

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@Snode Perhaps it wasn't clear enough in the diary itself, but the point I was making was to reveal how ridiculous the whole "Left versus Right" framework is, RIGHT NOW, and how it's basically an impediment to reasoning. So I'll quote from the diary to try once again to pound the point through.

The Right:

which today is used to cover a number of cultish views on various topics

The Left:

which today is used to marry anyone who wants a better world with the so-called "Left" of the Clintons and the Obamas.

Is it clear yet? Politics today, at least in the United States, has become a great festival of garbage bearing no relation to anyone's lives or to the non-human world. All beliefs are "extreme" in that regard, and the "extreme left" is often just a bad name for those who have actually considered how bad it's gotten and have made a rational, open-minded choice about what it means.

If you want a visual for how all beliefs are extreme, take a look at climate change. If everything were to remain the same about human civilization over the next thirty years, we can expect weather patterns to sink a fair number of major coastal cities throughout the globe, yeah that's right kids, UNDERWATER, while causing multiple crop failures in the world's breadbaskets. In much the same way, we can observe these same weather patterns contributing to the fires which burned down a fair portion of Brazil and which are burning down the whole of Australia right now.

Okay so what are the "extreme Right" and "extreme Left" perspectives on climate change? Remember, nobody's really talking about actual human survival three decades from now, which ought not to be an "extreme" position at all but which is in fact off the charts of any meaningful attempt to create a political spectrum. Now if you wanted to be arbitrary you could put the Bernie Sanders Green New Deal on the "Left" and the climate denier position on the "Right," but where would you put the degrowth position? The whole political landscape on climate change is littered with poorly-thought-through notions and self-serving placebos.

Do you get it now?

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@Cassiodorus to veer off into tangent land on occasion. Not trying to be obtuse, but you must admit it's a talent for me to make it look effortless.

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@Snode Use it judiciously!

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He's a radical Leftist nowadays that Bill Clinton and his cohorts hi-jacked the Democratic Party in the name of JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.

80 years ago, Bernie would've been a moderate New Dealer rejected by the Left as too timid and not a real Democrat. There is no Left, left in American politics today.

Mayor Pete! proudly proclaims he'll go back to his Wine Cave to raise money and nobody bats an eye.

Pathetic.

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