Senate Dems Freaking Out!
I don't usually recommend reading Politico, but the butthurt is just too delicious:
For some Democrats, Bernie Sanders’ latest gambit — challenging Donald Trump to a debate to cap all debates — is the last straw.
“Bullshit,” said Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. “That confirms what we’ve been saying. Why would you expect Bernie should be considerate or be nice or be working to bring everyone together? Why? He’s not a Democrat.”
This is what Joe had to say about Democrats when he was running for the Senate in 2010:
I have a feeling that Bernie isn't going to lose sleep after failing the Joe Manchin Democrat purity test. I hope he doesn't chicken out of running for re-election in 2018, so I can see him lose.
Of course the senior senator from the Pentagon is also having a meltdown.
“What he’s trying to do," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), "is bring attention to himself."
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He's more of a Democrat than you'll ever be, Joe Manchin!
I call bullshit on your bullshit............ and the rest of your rotten party.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
No kidding!
Bernie's too much of a Democrat, that's the real problem Manchin and rest of the establishment Dems have with him.
Nature is my religion; the earth is my temple.
Hillary negates Sanders by implying he's not "worthy" of
debating for (fill in the blank) reason - she's already won, she's already pivoting towards the GE, it's inconvenient, not necessary, whatever and predictably Bernie refuses to be erased by her as unimportant.
If Hillary doesn't deem Bernie worthy of debating, why should she care if someone else does? She doesn't want to put her policies out there, fine, but others wantto present themselves to the public - why should Hillary Clinton's agoraphobia/fear of scrutiny be imposed onto them?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
feinstein certainly nailed it.
i mean, what sort of political candidate goes around trying to get people's attention?
it's the classic diss on any leftist who dares to challenge the PTB: "he's just a narcissist!"
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Yes, candidates try to get attention
and some pay huge amounts of money to do so. But money aside, drawing attention to oneself is called "politics."
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
The way the GOSsocks drove off all the best writers, even long
before the Fukushima-scale meltdown currently in progress:
“[writer name]’s only posting here to promote his books.”
Sidebar: GOS? What mean this?
Now's as good a time to ask: what does GOS stand for in the Kos context? I've seen it come up a lot, post March 15. Thank you!
Great orange satan
Sometimes I read it as "Great Orange State"
and yes, I know your way is what it stands for, but I like to have fun like that
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
It's become a Gross Orange Stain :-D n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
::ROFLMSAO!::
TANG you very mush!
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LOL!
Thanks!
"he's not a democrat"
OK Joe. I'll play along. You're right, he's not a democrat. He's not, nor never was, sleazy enough to be a democrat. So now that we both agree he's not a democrat I guess you won't mind if he runs for president as a 3rd party candidate??
Bernie Or Bust...
Good post. Manchin is a pig.
I think Bernie enjoys this, and he should.
Funny thing is
what would the Dem establishment be saying if trump called Bernie to debate and Bernie refused? I'll tell you.
1."Look, he want's to be president but he's too afraid to debate trump!"
2."what's he going to do this fall when he HAS to debate trump? He'll chicken out of course!"
3."now's an excellent opportunity for Sanders to help the democratic party by knocking trump off his high horse and he turns it down. Bullshit! he's not a democrat!"
You nailed it fugwb. EOM
I thought that the latest was that
Dumpster wants 10 million to debate Sanders.
No way.... Sanders doesn't need to blow 10 mil on a single paid political announcement.
the whole thing's stupid anyway
I thought this was just some disgusting attempt on Cenk Uygur's part to make himself relevant by offering money to televise the event. It SO smacked of Geraldo Rivera that I just rolled over, turned off the computer and internet altogether and cranked up my Ereader and dived into a novel.
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shouldn't that be that Bernie is too much of a democrat
and too little of a Democrat? And too social for most Democrats and too little of a socialist to be enemy enough for Democrats?
How can you all stand your own electoral system?
We don't....
We duck-our-heads-and-scream our electoral system.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Yes, mimi and LapsedLawyer
every two years we are reminded how little our vote counts then every four years we have our noses rubbed in the distrust of our f'n Founding Fathers with our less-than-one vote.
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Most of us can't
stand our farce of an electoral system. That's why huge amounts of eligible people don't vote and 43% of all registered voters are indies. It also explains why Trump and Bernie are popular or congress's approval rating is about 14%. I'm sick of the insane royalist partisans from both sides who view the world as a war zone us against them. Divide and conquer and catapult the fear, and then the instigators call for unity. this country is not even a republic at this point. No representation just lesser evils that are the same evil dressed up as donkey's or elephants.
Crazy thing is that the powerful puppet masters and the pols of mass deception have rigged it to the point where people get jerked around by fear and loathing and 'self identify' with one side or the other and pick a bent criminal pol to idolize and lead them. Some moron FP'er at dkos told me that politics are binary and so your choice is Hillary or Trump. Binary selection does not seem democratic to me. A pox on both their houses is well deserved.
::banging head on keyboard::
(and that's bloody dangerous to communication if one is using a laptop or a notebook ::snicker::)
You hit the nail, RIGHT ON THE HEAD with exactly the right hammer, dammit!
This is what it ALL feels like.
I'm laughing, even as I'm acutely aware, as never before, how much THIS particular election is do or die for me, for my survival as someone owning her own home and being safe-ish or ending up dying in agony under a bridge in under 5 years.
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That's an insult to pigs.
Some of my best meals are pigs!
Not to forget, one of the best childhood heroes ever was a pig.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/FreddyThePig
I read some of those Freddie the Pig stories as a kid
I remember one of them, a pale forest green hardback, with Freddie in the basket of a hot-air balloon high in the sky.
www.Angie4Congress.com
#StrongerTogether for a better future for OUR posterity
Pigs as heroes
Wilbur the Pig, by far, in Charlotte's Web. Or, Babe.
Or Winnie the Pooh’s friend Piglet
Or the subject of the ditty “Cincinnati Dancing Pig” by country singer Red Foley.
The usual suspects.
These are the Democrats that need to be on a priority list for future primary challenges. It's time to make the establishment fear us, even if we only wound them enough to make them lose.
Anybody
Keeping a list? If so, can we see it posted?
Yes, a list is a good idea.
Perhaps a feature here at c99p?
well, thus far
every single Democratic Senator except Jeff Merkley.
IMO, silence is being complicit.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
To quote Jack White
"When I say nothing, I say everything." --Lazaretto
Let's keep a list
Let's keep a list, Claire McCaskell is at the top of the list, followed by Chuck
(Wall Street ) Schumer.
DiFi, OMG DiFi. Although--isn't she retiring?
Although gulfgal is right--easier to keep a List of Love at this point than a List of Hate. More fun, too.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
DiFi
Unfortunately no. Barbara Boxer is retiring, although I could swear that she retired four years ago. It's a mystery.
ARGH!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's hard to keep score
when nearly everyone elected to Congress might just as well stayed home. They sure spend much time not working for their comfy salaries. And then the are the State Legislators, hard at work un-doing everything that helps the People.
My Congressional rep is TP. His D challenger is a carpetbagging MIC guy. Who to pick? None of the above. That winner of all elections by a landslide.
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We need to create a meme now for 2018
NO INCUMBENTS. Anyone with an Inc. behind their name vote against .
That would send a real message.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Almost snorted my afternoon cola...
I initially misread that as "Manchin in a pig", and that's an image that would have killed me not for the inoculating shock of the 'Net and Rule 34.
Just another refugee from the Daily Chaos.
Trust me, don't go there
but if you're interested in sick humor try googling "Cameron in a pig" - yes, the PM of Great Britain is a pig f***er.
On to Biden since 1973
BLACK MIRROR first episode
The brilliant Brit series BLACK MIRROR (7 stand-alone episodes) deals with just such a situation, albeit via blackmail and simulcast across the globe.
Is that
the Gillian Anderson series?
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck
Not the Gillian Anderson series...
... unless she's in one episode and I've forgotten it. (Saw it a while ago.)
It's not unlike the Twilight Zone, each episode is unique. Only seven in total, as the Brits are wont to do.
(ps still getting the hang of this site, missed your reply)
Rule 34?
Gibbs has NEVER mentioned rule 34.
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Total Hillbot Freakout
I made a few comments on a Raw Story post by Tbogg, who supports Reich's efforts to corral Berniacs:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/robert-reich-is-still-trying-to-talk-som...
The Hillbots are in full meltdown even though they "don't give a fuck" who I vote for and Jill Stein is completely unacceptable" for a real progressive because vaccines!
Oh yeah. Voting for anyone but Hillary exposes us to the "existential threat" of a Trump administration. And I am a complete failure at reading comprehension.
Very funny shit!
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Speaking of Stein
wouldn't she make a good Secretary of the Interior?
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Oh yeah-a graduate of Harvard Medical school fer sure is
anti-vax (head:::desk) Where the hell do people get this stuff?
No idea if she has spoken on this issue.
Has she? Any links, if so?
About Stein and vaccines....
This reddit thread which I found after a quick Google search of jill stein vaccines says she ain't an anti-vaxxer, and neither are the Greens, so, yeah, they're lying. Again. As usual.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Even if she were against vaccinations
that's way better than being a bloodthirsty warmonger interested in invading countries to gain profit opportunities for herself and her wealthy investors.
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
Existential threat? Um, how about what Hillary and her NATO
pals have been doing in the Ukraine and the Middle East?
Or is detecting the pattern and ultimate goal of that behavior just too difficult for the hyper-partisans?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Those old connect-the-dots puzzles in Highlights?
The hyper-partisans never understood them. They were stuck with Goofus and Gallant.
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See Senator Peters from MI is in there running off at the mouth.
Nothing pisses me off more than MI superDs ignoring our vote for the NAFTA Clintons. NAFTA destroyed manufacturing and Michigan, yet Stabenow, Peters, Levin, Dingell, Kildee (yeah, the Flint Kildee), et al are voting for the Clintons and against the people of our state.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The entire MI D Party is a rat's nest of corrupt, self-dealing
neolib/neocons who are the epitome of the Iron Law of Institutions. The reason this state is in the state it's in is because they are all in this incestuous club of backscratching grifters that don't give a sh*t about the people they con into voting for them. I vote Green because I've yet to see a credible candidate put up for the last 10 years. (And don't get me started on Stabintheback and her voting record).
Spot on, dkmich
Feel the same way here in Colorado.
A contest for the rest of us for the next administration
I would like to see a contest where people get to guess what new wars that the US under H. Clinton gets us into once she gets hold of the football. We'd have to come up with rules. For example, from reports around the world it seems like US and British advisors are already on the ground in Libya, so further death and destruction is on the agenda. On the other hand, no actual "combat troops" are there yet. If anyone here remembers Vietnam we know how that turns out. Likewise, our participation in the Nazi coup in Ukraine would be different than actual ground forces driving for the Russian border.
Then there are the differences between an outright invasion versus selective bombing, or destabilizing a regime or assassinating a leader. These could actually be different categories.
In any case, I've got dibs on Armenia.
I think Hillary should do Grenada again.
Start off on a winning foot.
Now, let's see, which one comes after Syria on the PNACcer list?
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Well...
...since Granada is the only war our mighty military has been able to declare as a decisive victory since WWII, that might be a good one to "get her feet wet" with.
Nature is my religion; the earth is my temple.
Pleeze NO!!
Don't put our peaceful little islands on the fireline. Although with effective control of Puerto Rico and Haiti under dictatorial USA "Commissions", I wouldn't be surprised that any socialist breakout or major earthquake would meet with invasion.
From the Light House.
"commissdions"
Here in Michigan they are called "Emergency Managers", and don't F**K with them because they can poison your water, take away your schools, and overturn democratically elected local officials and policies in the bat of an eye
Nah, if they focus on this hemisphere
My bet is further asinine behavior in South America.
Though I think the covert types are handling that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I'm speaking as if this is funny--
it really, really isn't.
I've been hating this stuff for a long time.
Why can't we fucking leave people alone and be left alone? We had enough resources and two big oceans on either side of us (which used to matter). Even if we wanted to be militaristic, we didn't need to be imperialistic.
It's always struck me as the height of idiocy--or insanity--or maybe mendacity to act like, for instance, *the island of Cuba* is a fucking huge threat to us. FFS.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Evil Panama
Needs another good drubbing.
Too many powerful canals. You can't trust them.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
But the Chinese
Run it now. Seems a rather large first bite, and besides, who will buy our bonds?
Oh, it would be Iran, of course.
Fulfilling the long delayed neocon wet dream and pleasing her BFF, Bibi.
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
I got 20 on Syria and eventually Russia...
What kind of odds do I get?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Boxer/Feinsten/Clinton/Rice
4 women I absolutely loathe. Nothing but rotten shenanigans from the steenkin pile of corruption.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
... what's this all about janit --
the wimmin can't stick together?
(Just trollin' -- I have detested Barb & Di for years, because of their unquestioning support for gov't surveillance, and other ILLEGAL activities; Rice, because she was willing and eager to s**k W's d**k, no matter the occasion; and The $hill, just because ...)
... nice hat, BTW --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Add Nancy "Impeachment is off the Table" Pelosi to that list
Pelosi and a few other Dems (in the Gang of ...) were told about the torture when it started, before we knew about it, and they never tried to stop it or tell us about it, and obviously never thought about getting Dumbya or Dickie impeached for their violations of the US Constitution, on top of the illegal and unconstitutional invasion of Iraq, and then all the illegal and unconstitutional legislation that took our rights away and few in either the House or the Senate protested, but just voted for taking away our rights; they went along to get along. I will never, ever forgive her for her part in all that. She was Speaker of the House then and could have informed us.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
Pelosi, too - heck yes. nt
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
I'd add Nancy 'took it off the table' Pelosi
as well as Debbie 'what kill list' Wasserman.
The Bernie Pivot
Beating Hillary at her own game.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Yeah, it's almost as if he has realized SHE is irrelevant
And is moving toward the General.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Win-win
Bernie's selling point now is that he can beat Trump - debating him will help demonstrate that. Trump thinks he's running against Clinton, and raising Sanders' profile (and possibly helping him win California) will weaken Clinton. Trump might even throw the debate, not that he would have to, to make Bernie look good.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Trump has now upped the anty to $15 mil
I don't think he's serious. Bernie simply called his bluff.
Trump pulls a Hillary!
Backing out may not be that easy, Donnie.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Bernie's attention seeking move
is something the Californians would probably admire.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Okay, I'm confused
Not that there's anything new about that.
But who challenged who?
MSNBC is reporting Rump challenged Bernie, Huffpo and others are reporting Bernie challenged Rump.
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
Bernie got Kimmel to suggest it to Trump...
Kimmel did, Trump said he'd be up for it if Bernie was.
Bernie tweeted (the only language Donald understands) that he was on.
Donald then said it was a joke (because he probably thought it was coming from Kimmel) and then thought about it and said if the network gave 10-15 million to a charity supporting Women's Issues (remember he's fantastic for the womens)
FOX is wetting itself in anticipation, wants to do it to replace the Bernie-Hillary debate, but other networks are also interested.
Reportedly they want to do it in a Yuge Stadium in CA so two armies can come together and oh god the police presence that will be needed...maybe National Guard...
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Not that I don't believe you, but...
where did you read that Bernie put Kimmel up to it? I'd like to know who asked who too.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
links and a tweet
Trump says he'll debate Bernie before CA primary; Bernie accepts!
Kimmel asks Trump if he would debate Sanders
I knew Kimmel asked Trump.
I saw that tweet from Bernie. I thought you said that Bernie asked Kimmel to ask Trump. The Dems are trying to spin this that Bernie initiated the idea - not Kimmel. As far as I know, Kimmel started it. Trump accepted and so did Bernie - obviously contingent upons included. Do you have any information or links that Bernie was the guy who put Kimmel up to it?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
dkmich, I had posted this
in the original diary by geebeebee so it was handy. Here you go:
Oh, well now I see this has been posted
already below. Sorry if I am duplicating what you've already seen.
Thank you
I saw this, but I missed where Bernie said to ask. Thanks for reposting it for me.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
what a sight that would be;
what a sight that would be; Trump supporters doing their salute for loyalty on one side. Bernie's side mixed with all people of color and creeds holding each others hands up in the air in unity
Okay, that's where it got confusing
In the MSNBC article, the headline was "Bernie Sanders Accepts Donald Trump's Debate Challenge."
They mention Kimmel's question on his show, but don't say anything about Bernie initiating it.
Then I get to Huffpo, and they say "Host Jimmy Kimmel said he asked Sanders, who will be on the show on Thursday, if he had a question for Trump. Sanders, he said, challenged Trump to a debate since Hillary Clinton has declined."
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
Not surprising
Main
Stream
News
Becomes
Confusing
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
Oh!
I always wondered about that. Thought Bill Gates bought the network back when.
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
PD--here's the Kimmel video of Trump's appearance,
and conversation about debating Bernie.
[video:https://youtu.be/vzO-JYjEcHE width:560 height:315]
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