TPP: Who do you believe?
Friends, Romans, Countrymen- Lend me your ears. I come to bury Casear, not to praise him.
Monday Barack Obama placed an OpEd in the Washington Post (Pravda, meaning "Truth" and the Party organ of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, as opposed to Izvestia, meaning "News", the Official, State Sanctioned, Public Record- that would be The New York Times) praising the virtues of the Trans Pacific Partnership.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome whose ransoms did the general coffers fill. Did this in Caesar seem ambitious? When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept.
At least he names the villain, though he lies and lies and lies about almost everything else.
China’s greatest economic opportunities also lie in its own neighborhood, which is why China is not wasting any time. As we speak, China is negotiating a trade deal that would carve up some of the fastest-growing markets in the world at our expense, putting American jobs, businesses and goods at risk.
This past week, China and 15 other nations met in Australia with a goal of getting their deal, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, done before the end of this year. That trade deal won’t prevent unfair competition among government-subsidized, state-owned enterprises. It won’t protect a free and open Internet. Nor will it respect intellectual property rights in a way that ensures America’s creators, artists, filmmakers and entrepreneurs get their due. And it certainly won’t enforce high standards for our workers and our environment.
As for our plan to thwart the nefarious Yellow Menace, "(A) high-standard Trans- Pacific Partnership, a trade deal that puts American workers first and makes sure we write the rules of the road for trade in the 21st century", (and by the way Barack, it's possible to be racist against Orientals too) I think I'll let Dean Baker take you down.
President Obama Pushes a Weak Case on TPP
by Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
03 May 2016
President Obama continued the administration’s boasting about how the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) will eliminate Vietnam’s tariff on exports of U.S. whale meat. You may have missed it, but this tariff, along with Malaysia’s tariff on U.S. exports of shark fins, and Japan’s tariff on our ivory exports, are among the 18,000 tariffs that President Obama said would be eliminated by the TPP in a Washington Post column today.
This 18,000 tariff figure was intended to sound very impressive, but according to Public Citizen the United States doesn’t export at all in more than half of the categories and in almost all the ones in which it does export the tariffs are already low. One important exception is tobacco. Several of the countries in the TPP have high tariffs on U.S. tobacco exports, so the TPP will be making cigarettes cheaper for kids in Vietnam, Malaysia, and elsewhere.
That's right folks, not enough children in Asia are dying from Cancer Sticks. Hurray for RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris!
Baker notes Obama's jingoistic appeal to American Exceptionalism (from Obama)-
As we speak, China is negotiating a trade deal that would carve up some of the fastest-growing markets in the world at our expense, putting American jobs, businesses and goods at risk.
then Baker continues.
Actually, this is not the way the economy works. If China reduces trade barriers with other countries in Asia, allowing the region to grow more rapidly, then it should also make the United States more prosperous. The region would be a bigger source of demand for U.S. exports and a more efficient provider of goods and services to the United States. That was exactly the logic of the Marshall Plan that helped to rebuild West Europe after World War II. Greater economic integration in the region, even if engineered in part by China, is something that the United States should applaud, not fear.
President Obama argued that the big difference between the TPP and the trade deals pushed by China is that the TPP will impose our rules. At the top of President Obama’s list was stronger and longer patent and copyright protection. These forms of protection raise the price of the protected items by several thousand percent above the free market price, in the same way that a tariff of 5,000 or 10,000 percent raises the price far above the free market price.
Higher prices due to increased copyright and patent protection can impose large costs on economies and slow economic growth. To give an example, the New Zealand government estimated that the increase in the length of copyright protection required by the TPP, from its current 50 years to 70 years, would cost it 0.024 percent of GDP, the equivalent of 4.3 billion annually in the U.S. economy. This figure is striking since this is a relatively small change for a country that already has strong copyright protection. The cost in developing countries like Malaysia and Vietnam would almost certainly be much larger.
The biggest cost from the increased protectionism in the TPP is likely to be with prescription drugs where it imposes stronger and longer patent and related protections. The goal is to make these countries pay as much for their drugs as the United States. Currently we spend more than $420 billion a year (@2.2 percent of GDP) on drugs that would likely cost about one-tenth this amount in a free market. If we succeed in making drugs as expensive in the TPP countries it will both be an enormous drain on their economies and also jeopardize the health of their populations.
Baker in The Washington Post Says Doctors Without Borders Is Silly to Worry About the Impact of the TPP on Drug Prices, April 25th-
The humanitarian group, Doctors Without Borders, along with many other NGOs involved in providing health care to people in the developing world, have come out in opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) over concerns that the deal will make it more difficult to provide drugs to people in the developing world. Their argument is that it will raise drug prices by making patent protection stronger and longer and by making it more difficult for countries to scale back protections that they may come to view as excessive and wasteful.
But the Washington Post editorial board tells us not to fear, that the TPP is actually "a healthy agreement." The gist of its argument is an analysis by Council on Foreign Relations Fellow Thomas Bollyky, which finds that there were few incidents of large increases in drug prices for countries following the signing of previous trade deals.
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Bollyky looked at changes in drugs prices immediately after a trade deal took effect.
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(T)his before and after approach is a bit like weighing people the day after they gave up drinking sugary soda to determine whether this decision will affect obesity. It's not serious stuff.There is evidence that prior trade agreements have affected drug prices.
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(A) process of creating ever stronger and longer patent protections, which mean ever larger gaps between the protected price of drugs and their free market price. (For some reason, none of the modelers ever factor in the negative impact of higher drug prices into their analysis of the economic impact of these trade deals.)In this sense, the TPP should be understood as working alongside other steps, like the Obama administration's pressures on the Indian government to give up flexibilities granted under TRIPS, to ensure that U.S. drug companies can get ever higher prices from their drugs as protections are extended more broadly around the world. For people who are concerned about public health and would prefer a less corrupt and more efficient mechanism for supporting drug research, this sounds like a really bad deal.
Really. To continue with his analysis of Obama's OpEd-
It is also important to understand that in standard trade models, the more money that Pfizer gets for its drugs and Microsoft gets for its software, the less the U.S. gets for its other exports. The standard assumption is that the overall trade balance will not be changed if these companies get another $20 or $30 billion annually in royalties and licensing fees. This means that our trade deficit in everything else will rise by $20 or $30 billion.
There is no Team America in this story. If Team Pfizer gains from stronger protection, the rest of the country loses.
One other important rule that the Obama administration pushed in the TPP is the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) mechanism. This is an extra-judicial process that is open exclusively to foreign investors. Under this process, foreign investors, including foreign subsidiaries of U.S. corporations, can challenge any law at the federal, state, or local level. It can impose large fines, which can make it impractical to keep the laws on the books.
These tribunals can rule on any regulations put forward for protecting labor, the environment or public health and safety. The ISDS tribunals are not bound by precedent, nor are their rulings subject to appeal. For those who think that the U.S. legal system does an adequate job of protecting foreign investors, it is difficult to see why we would want to establish this extra-judicial process.
As I and many others have previously pointed out.
Dean Baker's Big Wind Up
In short, there is not a credible story that the TPP will be a big boost to U.S. prosperity. It does pose a threat to the countries of the region (including the United States) in the form of higher prices for prescription drugs and other protected items. It also creates a whole new extra-judicial system that can threaten regulations designed for important public purposes.
This is a hard deal to sell, which probably explains why President Obama is trying to promote fears of China. That should not be allowed to help his case.
It's important when you consider Julius Caesar as a play to remember the historical facts of the late Republic. The economy was based on plunder from Wars of Aggression with just enough to keep the Proletariat in Bread and Circuses siphoned off and the rest personally enriching any Senator ambitious enough to buy an Army and lucky enough to win. Caesar was ambitious, he wanted to be President for Life and the Senate felt their own elite status was threatened (which it was). Brutus was an honorable man (at least to the extent he was defending his own self interest and that of his class against Revolutionary centralization of power) and Marc Antony was a traitor who betrayed Caesar's chosen heir, Octavius, at the first opportunity, shagged his former girl friend, Cleopatra, and raised armed rebellion against his own country.
And he was a lousy General too, Octavius beat him like a drum.
Now let it work. Mischief, thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt!
(Of course it's cross posted from The Stars Hollow Gazette and DocuDharma)
Comments
Vent Hole
Hi Ek,
Thank you for this.
I am curious as to whether this could be called treason.
I can't believe what Obama has done to us already. I want him to go away.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
None Dare Call It Treason!
Not saying it isn't mind you, just that None Dare!
Wow.
That didn't waste any time. Gotta be more careful with that 'post' button.
Obama...
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he.
US whale meat? Shark fins? Ivory??
I guess he really does think we're stupid.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
They all do.
Our elites are failures on every level and live in 'Emperor's New Clothes' like fear that we will find out.
Too late.
Beat me to it
When did we start exporting whale meat, shark fins and IVORY?
As I understood it, there is a complex ivory trade ban since 1990
As for whale meat, I can't find a single reference to it as a US export. There's supposed to be a ban on Whaling and we talked of trade sanctions against Iceland for continuing the practice.
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
Exactly!!
I wasn't aware that elephants were rife in the U.S., and needed culling.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Well, you know, Moby Dick.
Argh.
Shark fins?
Where's Obama getting his info? We are not exporting shark fins. There is a lot of protest against the Asian import of shark fins. It's a delicacy in their cooking. The sharks are being hunted down and decimated due in part to customs like this which need to be stopped. The U.S. does not export shark fins. The faster the TPP is eliminated, the better. Rec'd.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Isn't it illegal to import
ivory, shark fins and whale meat?
Will that mean we have to now?
We will Take them, Buy them and Use them, blessing the TTP.
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Whenever
a politician tells the people that something is going to be good for them and that something was written by the corporations, well, hang on to your ass. When I was a young guy just starting work in a factory, an old boss told me, "son, you can do 1000 things right, but fuck up 1 time and that's what people will remember." Well, Obama hasn't done anywhere near 1000 things right, but I'll tell you this, the TPP will be what ALL of us Labor folk will remember. Screw Obama and all his rat-fuckin dem buddies...
I can't remember a single thing he wasn't forced into.
Ledbetter? Meaningless.
ACA? Insurance Company Monopoly.
Gay Marriage? He was against it until it started hurting fund raising.
Keystone XL? Unprofitable all of a sudden.
It's a much shorter list than the one that begins with Bankster protection and ends with War Crimes and Torture.
And liberal voters were sucked into
these issues much as the ultra conservatives get all in a bind over abortion, same sex marriage, transgender use of washrooms, etc. They are a smoke screen for what is really going on with the MIC and banks.
Good post.
TPP is a bad deal.
Yes, yes it is.
yep
and all the politicians who approve this stuff get their pockets lined while they screw over Americans
"Currently we spend more than
"Currently we spend more than $420 billion a year (@2.2 percent of GDP) on drugs that would likely cost about one-tenth this amount in a free market. If we succeed in making drugs as expensive in the TPP countries it will both be an enormous drain on their economies and also jeopardize the health of their populations."
JFC. It's already draining our economy and jeopardizing OUR health.
Yep.
Which is why most Health oriented NGOs are against it.
Some in the Eurozone are kicking back on TTIP,
which might give another clue, since overall the generic we are more like the generic them. So it's a new trade version of the cold war? I also noted that Vietnam is now becoming the piracy (at sea) capital of the world. Our new "buds" in the TTP.
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As opposed to the slavers in Malaysia?
Interestingly enough Vietnam (#1) and Malaysia (#2) are the only countries that see substantial economic benefits from TPP.
You wonder why?
They are both important strategic military outposts against China.
This is no more about trade than the Treaty of Nanking.
That so unfuckingbelieveable
That a Black US president would make a deal with a country that is involved in slavery just so he can get his trade bill passed.
I bet his Black ancestors are rolling in their graves over that. God, I wish that MLK was alive so I could hear what he thinks of the first Black American president.
The one that is giving away our national sovereignty over to foreign corporations. Many people have stated that this is treasonous.
And yet there are people who insist that he is the best president we have had since FDR!
But those are the same people who are going to vote for Hillary because 'she will get things done'., and knows how to work with the GOP
Look at what has happened after Obama worked with them. We got more screwed.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
He was against slavery
before he was for it.
There's a great piece up at NC about the threat TTIP represents to Europe's health care systems:
Michael Hudson: Warning to Europe – How the TTIP Threatens Public Health Care and Pensions
Those trade bills are a
Global corporate coup attempt
Anyone else remember when Bush Sr. gave a State of the Union speech and talked about a new world order?
The banks and the corporations have been working on this for decades. FDR slowed them down for awhile, but they have been trying to dismantle his social programs since before the ink was dry.
If these bills pass, it's game over for 90% of the global population.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Give away
...to the multinationals, and loved by big media for it's intellectual property rights. Corporations over nations!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Anyone who thinks that Hillary won't try and ram this
thing down our throats if Obama fails is a naive idiot.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Good old Barack
http://www.citizen.org/documents/analysis-tpp-text-november-2015.pdf TTPs
His legacy... I doubt that he has to worry about history books, no humans will be around to read them. Yeah, I voted for him, what a fool.
Thanks for the link. Some well known organizations with
experts in their respective areas raise significant concerns. I like this agreement less and less, the more I read about it.
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TPP is a corporate globalist move
I haven't read it, but I have seen opinions that it puts corporations above nations. Don't think Bernie likes it, Trump doesn't like it, the fracking queen was a strong proponent once and will be again.
exactly
>> it puts corporations above nations
"free" trade is the concept that corporations are too important to be interfered with by mere national governments.
Here's a summary, bad, bad
http://www.citizen.org/documents/analysis-tpp-text-november-2015.pdf
Ears hear:
"Monday Barack Obama placed an OpEd in the Washington Post ... praising the virtues of the Trans Pacific Partnership."
Grrrrr......!
Even when the Dems are in turmoil, they still have to pay homage to the masters.
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Glad to see you here! It's nice not to have to worry about
censorship, isn't it?
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Welcome birdiemom87...
glad to have you with us!
There is no doubt in my mind that we are
fucked, ek. There will not be a happy ending to all of this, the greed will destroy this nation and many other nations before it gets ended. I don't know, it's possible climate change will speed along the downfall but falling we are. Thanks for the essay, ek
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Thank you for the information! I believe the environmental,
labor and health groups who are fighting this thing. I agree with those who say that an agreement written by corporations is not going to do anything other than enrich those corporations, at the expense of everyone else. The TPP is one of the things that solidified my support for Bernie and opposition to Hillary, actually. It shows the extensive damage politicians selling out to corporations can do. Hill may have finally reluctantly come out against the TPP, but since she has promised to be Obama's third term, she'll reverse herself again. If we want to have trade with Asian countries fine, but we don't need a bunch of rules undermining our own national interests to do it. It sounds like in many parts of the agreement, we should have had the advice of multinational corporations only to learn what not to do. Perhaps we could devise an opposite-TPP that would actually be a decent agreement.
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I believe those who can deal with reality regarding TPP
It's a BAD, BAD, BAD piece of "legislation!"
ISDS to override courts in any country as the final arbiter of corporations trying to collect for their "losses???"
Doesn't anyone realize that if that horror is finally passed in a lame duck session that ISDS negates every court in the US, including the SCOTUS?!?!?
Re: Pharmaceutical corporations: They already get favors thanks to the Hatch-Waxman Act (which should be repealed, IMHO). This was something I'm aware of because of one gout medication I take, and I got caught in that horror - $9.90 for a month's prescription (insurance didn't cover it) vs $435.++ per prescription ($6.60 with Medicare Part D insurance co-pay). Try that with a Social Security or other low income since the "generic" is made by the same people, no reduction in cost, it's the same pill with color added and shape changed, and what the drug company is doing is called "double-dipping."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Price_Competition_and_Patent_Term_Res...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_exemption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicine#History
Passing TPP makes corporations supreme over patents, copyrights, trademarks, supplies of drugs, prices of drugs and introduces world-wide fascism. TPP has almost nothing to do with trade and everything to do with controlling the intellectual properties involved, among other things, like the ISDS courts that negate legal courts everywhere. Anyone who doesn't figure that out right quick is stupid to a degree I can't even comprehend.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
free trade is
OUR epitaph .... said it for 10 years on Daily f'ing Kos and got very little traction in that shitty little status quo echo chamber. I'm not sure if most people are either corrupt or just plain stupid regarding the 'track record' of these insane 'trade deals' but I predict many bad things happening to a lot MORE people because this continues to be pushed and passed by utterly corrupt politicians who don't give a shit about the country they are supposed to represent.
Will not vote for any globalist 'free trade' politician anywhere for any reason and will only vote for those unequivocally against these crappy insane purely fascist policies/agreements. Its not easy to find many non globalists in the political system in the US ... we have 3 choices Jill Stein, Bernie and Trump .. Stein has little chance of garnering much of the vote (like Nader who was the best choice in 2000), Bernie still is fighting but the clinton and 'democratic' party juggernaut is all in against him and Trump has a real chance.. especially after the atrocious record of Obama's 8 years of getting nothing good done.