New Reuters/Ipsos out Wednesday confirms that Trump is surging on Hillary

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:11am

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0Y21TN

Over at the Great Orange Sellout, they have FPers and shills claiming that the Q poll this week showing Hillary doing poorly in swing states was a 'bad poll'. Other posted the recent PPP poll that was also bad for hillary, and more commenters wrote off PPP, despite the fact that TOP has paid PPP to conduct polls based on their reliability. Lol, TOP. But here's yet another poll for the DNC apologists to dismiss--

Donald Trump's support has surged and he is now running nearly even with Democrat Hillary Clinton among likely U.S. voters, a dramatic turnaround since he became the Republican party's presumptive presidential nominee, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Here's the problem: in the SAME EXACT POLL less than 2 weeks ago, she was up 13 points. So she dropped double digits in the SAME POLL. But I'm sure they will find a way to Hillsplain all that.

Seems a lot of Americans prefer a vulgarian they see as 'honest' over an intelligent liar. This probably explains why Bernie does so well in national polls despite having less name recognition than Clinton/Trump. When people perceive you as honest in an anti-establishment cycle, it's a big advantage. In some other era, Clinton would be a solid lock for the win. But this year.......nope.

And if the fact that the right wing has chosen a populist that the people want, while the ' populist Democratic party' has anti-democratically chosen Hillary, isn't bad enough.....the fact that the Dem establishment is working to stab progressives in the back does not bode well for November. For all the talk of "the most important thing is beating Trump", one would think that screwing Sanders over on convention committees and shitting on his supporters day in and day out would be bad moves.

Bill Maher was screaming at Rob Reiner on set to not take for granted that Hillary will win in a landslide. And these latest polls are showing that the Democratic victory in November that most of the country assumed will happen might not be a guarantee. Clinton can lose. They have UNDERESTIMATED just how unpopular the Clintons are right now.

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Submitted by reflectionsv37 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:16am

So many of us saw this coming

It still amazes me that so many don't seem to understand the long term hatred of Hillary and the Clinton's in general. She's never going to beat Trump. She sure won't be getting much help from progressives.

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George W. Bush

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:27am

And why should she, after casting us into outer darkness

and clapping her hands and gloating over what she anticipates will be our wailing and gnashing of teeth?

She sure won't be getting much help from progressives.

Submitted by reflectionsv37 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:08am

Mrs. R saw this somewhere on FB this morning...

and I really want to share it as it pretty much explains the Bernie/Hillary divide so clearly. It was made in a response to a Hillary supporter who was demanding that Bernie supporters fall in line, support and vote for Hillary. The post he responded to was one of those in all caps!

He certainly speaks for me! Enjoy! And spread far and wide!

When we tell you that we are only voting for Bernie and will not vote for your candidate in the general election, we are not asking for your agreement nor are we looking for an argument. The reason we tell you is because we know how important it is to you that your party wins the general election. We know you fear a Trump presidency the way we fear a Clinton presidency. We are giving you notice before the convention, so you won't be surprised at our lack of support for Hillary if you were to nominate her. We're telling you this while you still have the opportunity to support Bernie Sander's nomination, so your party can win by including us.

Insult us however you want. It's not open for discussion. We are not bluffing. We don't trust her. Her words are meaningless. There is nothing she can say to change our minds. No "buts". We will vote for Bernie if his name is on the ballot. If it isn't we will write him in. Those of us who can't write him in might vote for the Green Party candidate Jill Stein or not at all.

We can all be united with your party if you nominate Bernie. You're on your own if you nominate her.

Sincerely,

The Independents, Conservatives, Republicans, Greens, Bernie-only Democrats, who have started the political revolution

FDR and RFK were great voices of the party so is Bernie Sanders

This should be posted over at TOP everyday until it finally sinks in!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

Submitted by Shirley on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:33am

That is great.

Submitted by KnotIookin on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 9:33am

It would be immediately flagged and hidden

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Submitted by Caerus on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 11:51am

Thank you Mrs. R

That says it all.
HOW do we make it go VIRAL. Fast.
Ed Schultz, Mark Ruffalo, TNT, Thom Hartmann = anybody have contact with any of them?

That's the most concise explanation I've read of exactly how I feel.

OT: if anyone says anything against Jane Sanders I erupt in violence. AND, I can't help laughing every time I see a picture of what's-her-name in one of her long coats over trousers, she looks like a highly decorated and bejeweled toadstool!

Submitted by lizzyh7 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:52pm

I know, right?

Those pantsuits.... I know we're not supposed to focus on appearances, but who in hell is dressing her? They are some of the ugliest outfits I have ever seen, and I am certainly no fashionista. That yellow thing she wore at both a debate and at GS is just so ugly and does "nothing for her" as my late mother would say. But I guess those outfits fit her in that they are as tone deaf as she is. I know, snarky and petty, but I am glad someone else said it too!!

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Submitted by Older and Wiser Now on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:22pm

Very nicely stated, thank you for sharing

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Submitted by Pricknick on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:24am

Quotes about lying

This is why America doesn't trust a Clinton. My sincere apologies for quoting a Bush.

“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

“Things come apart so easily when they have been held together with lies.”
― Dorothy Allison, Bastard Out of Carolina

“Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is.”
― Barbara Bush

“If you don't want to slip up tomorrow, speak the truth today.”
― Bruce Lee

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:29am

Personally, I could have done without the

Barbara Bush quote, and not for the reason you might thing (George), but for the picture it brings to mind of Bush the 1st and Barbara. Got to go wash my mind out....

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Submitted by Hawkfish on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:34pm

Well I could have done without

"Trump is surging on Hillary" Where's the lye?

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- Greta Thunberg

Submitted by sorrowforhumans on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 7:44pm

Yes, brain bleach

just like the thought of WJC: dissipated, corrupt narcissist

Submitted by Unabashed Liberal on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:34am

Barbara Bush's quote

must have been before the Bush/Clinton lovefest began.

Barb's on C-Span video saying that "all of her Boys consider good ol' Bill to be 'a Brother by another Mother.'" (paraphrased)

Gag!

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:19am

If only Babs had been better at it...

We might not have gotten Jr.

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Submitted by Tall Bald and Ugly on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 10:05am

Thanks!

Glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that! GOOD laugh, there.

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:26am

Unlike God who has forgotten that he/she chose

Ted Cruz, the establishment will not be allowed to forget they chose HRC. If Sanders does not get the nomination, the establishment will have the profound enjoyment of trying to chase Trump down like a recalcitrant five-year old and make sense of his policies and will never know from one minute to the next what he will get into next. This could be a lot of fun. It will keep the establishment busy, while Sanders and We the People form a working party or two to replace the two that are crumbling.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Submitted by janis b on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:43am

I love this vision ...

This could be a lot of fun. It will keep the establishment busy, while Sanders and We the People form a working party or two to replace the two that are crumbling.

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:30am

This is actually the first time DWS

has faced a serious primary challenger in her entire congressional career. We may just see her political career come to an end in November. I'll be dancing in the streets if it happens!! With the million Canova has raised, it looks like a lot of other people want to see her go too!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:03am

i tend to confuse her with a SoCal candidate with a similar name

that was also in the D party. oops.

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 3:11am

When is the house primary in Florida?

Submitted by Shirley on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:40am

August 30

He's got plenty of time.

Submitted by Hawkfish on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:36pm

DWS swimming with loan sharks

A natural DNC constituency if ever there was one...

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Submitted by Sandino on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:36am

Good News: Hillary will unite the party

Bad News: It will be the Republican party

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:35am

. . . under the Democratic label. n/t

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:32am

Who knows? Trump may push infrastructure projects—out of vanity.

If high-speed rail finally gets built, it won’t bother me if it’s nicknamed TrumpRail.

If single payer gets passed, it won’t bother me if it’s nicknamed TrumpCare.

Submitted by WheninRome on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 3:07am

High speed rail would be nice

High speed rail would be nice on the wall. It was my idea. ;P

Submitted by Phuq Yew on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 3:30am

Ha!

TrumpCare! Like that bit a lot...

"My TrumpCare Trumps your NHS! So there! Neener! Neener! "

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:34am

i left out my favorite link of today

andrea mitchell, who is married to alan greenspan, tried to corner bernie today and it backfired.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-andrea-mitchell-moan-hillary-problems-...

if you have never watched bernie verbally destroy greenspan, youtube it. it is GLORIOUS. i posted it at TOP last month and some folks told me it was their first time seeing it.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:08am

It's not funny

to pick on a vodka whore.

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Submitted by janis b on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:45am

That is seriously the best of Bernie.

Thanks for the link.

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:58am

glad u liked it

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did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war

Submitted by Shirley on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:50am

Thanks for that link.

It was wonderful to watch. Bernie really doesn't suffer fools.

Andrea looks like she doesn't like Trump dissing Hillary, and she acts like Hillary is a victim and is trying to get some sympathy from Bernie.

Andrea is acting like a political operative, not a journalist.

Submitted by fugwb on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 6:51am

Acting like

a political operative? She ain't acting...

Submitted by Ruscle on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 9:34am

If there's one thing Americans look for in their Presidents

It's victimhood.

Vote Victimhood
Vote Hillary

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Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 1:57am

just saw this on huffpost comment section

this is why i don't care for 'incrementalist' change that obama and hillary seek: it doesn't fucking work.

Let's just look at the period of 2008-2010 when the Democrats controlled the Presidency, House, and Senate. The President paid great lip service to single-payer while behind the scenes he advocated against it. They didn't close Guantanamo, there were no prosecutions for torture, they bailed out Wall Street (I know, signed by Bush), didn't do anything about the Banksters (zero prosecutions), and provided no checks to avoid the next big crash. They did nothing about the failed drug war and kept incarcerating people for marijuana offenses and continued on their merry way making sure that student debt (which now exceeds credit card debt in our country) is not forgivable via bankruptcy....

Shall I continue? You may not want to face the facts but when the Democrats had control of all legislative branches they made sure to do as little as possible. After 2010 they had the cover of a Republican majority. Perfect.

Or are you a believer in the the virtues of incremental change? You know, crumbs for the masses.

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did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war

Submitted by janis b on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:43am

Do you have to remind us

of so much that is so dispiriting (:

Submitted by janis b on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:49am

Sorry,

I really wanted that to look like both a smile and a frown. A smile, to acknowledge my appreciation for the link and sentiment, and a frown to express my chagrin.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 3:08am

Then you won't like this video

Showing the enthusiasm of the crowds cheering Obama during his first campaign when he was feeding us a bunch of bullshit.
This looks like a great video which is coming out on May 16.
Sorry

Link to the website of the video. The person wrote about how Hillary is using the same tactics against Bernie that she used against Obama during their campaign.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/05/has-hillary-changed-since-sh...
Dog, I'd love to post this video on top, but I have friends over there and I don't want to be banned.
Yet.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Submitted by janis b on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 3:38am

I'm glad you can show restraint,

so that you can continue to comment and maintain your friendships there.

Both of those videos are more than dispiriting. They're downright chilling. I so hope that we find more to like in our future.

Submitted by JayRaye on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:11am

the incrementalism of obama and hilliary:

this is why i don't care for 'incrementalist' change that obama and hillary seek: it doesn't fucking work.

Actually the incrementalism of obama and hilliary DOES WORK; it works exactly as intended. Step by step backwards for the working class and more and more for the Elites.

ObamaCare is a perfect example of that. Forced payments from us to the Insurance Racket while we get little or no actual health care out of it and insurance rates continue to eat up what little pathetic raises we might get. Which raises, in my case are exactly none, not in the past nine years.

It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for either of the two parties of the ruling class ever again. They have worked together to screw us long enuf and we have bot the lesser evil bullshit long enuf.

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:46am

Trump could hit Hillary with what's in

this article on the intercept which Meteor Man diaried tonight.
It goes into detail about the types of people that Hillary will appoint in her administration and also shows how the democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans when it comes to taking money from the banks and other financial institutions.
And how so many democratic congress members have financial people on their staffs who help them write bills on banking regulations.
Barney Frank who helped write Dodd Frank had a person involved in the banks help write that bill. Which Hillary constantly harps about when she says that Obama has passed the most stringent banking regulations since FDR but she doesn't mention that the banks helped write it or that it has been so watered down that it is basically toothless. And remember that Frank is on her campaign staff.

And as bfk wrote that when the democrats were in the majority, they didn't bother to address any of the issues mentioned.
They let the GOP water down the ACA saying that they wanted their votes yet knowing damn well that they weren't going to. But they continued to let them add amendments to it and then they voted against them.
The ACA was given to Baucus and the democrats and Obama knew that Liz Fowler from WellPoint was on his staff and helped write the bill.

Please read Meteor Man's diary and read this link he included and see who might be on Hillary's economic staff if she's elected president. https://theintercept.com/2016/03/02/larry-fink-and-his-blackrock-team-po...

Kagan and other neoconservatives and neoliberals are already advising her on foreign policy as well as Kissinger.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:16am

He COULD

The question is, will he?

If he doesn't, you'll know he was full of shit all along.

Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:12am

yet another thread at reddit showing how shitty democrat

establishment is. this thread is a case study in how NOT to be an opposition party.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4iz19s/india_has_slashed_pri...

Because most Americans barely live at a subsistence level these days and protests fall on deaf ears.
Short of violent insurrection I don't see a solution. Look how hard the establishment has fucked Sanders over for being a progressive. His rhetoric is more or less the middle of the road stance for Europe but the media and his own party has been trying to undermine him as an extremist from the get go.
America is a terrible place to live if youre poor. It's spend the last 40 years trying its damnest to trap its poor into modern day serfdom. Between insane housing costs, poor mass transit, and suppressed wages its really dangerous to try to dig yourself out of poverty. A decent chunk if Americans are scared of losing their homes, being scared of their heath is an ill afforded luxury.

not everyone on reddit these days is a Millennial like they were 5 years ago. the site is massive. other Millennials like myself tried to give balance at TOP, but it's a lost cause.

for years, I defended Dems against the 'both partiez r the same' attacks. I will do so no longer. because now i'm saying the same thing......

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Submitted by The Wizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 4:47am

The poor have been kicked and beaten by the 1%

In the explosive bubble years leading up to the Great Recession the Establishment discovered that the poor were an untapped reserve of wealth. They could write mortgages and issue credit cards at obscene interest rates, beyond what they could pay. A mortgage originator could make a lot more money off of an unqualified mortgage than one for a well qualified person. The scam was to bundle it with other mortgages, in that way they produced the best of both worlds, net return in a supposedly safe overall investment. On top of that, anti-bankruptcy insured that the poor could never get out of their obscene credit card debt.

Congratulations to the oligarchs who now completely run this country, with the help of their sycophants otherwise known as the Democratic Party.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

Submitted by fugwb on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 7:05am

I always

said, when the cameras and mics are turned off and darkness settles on DC, the dems and repubs all crawl in bed together. I just never believed it 100% like I do now...

Submitted by lizzyh7 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:11pm

Me too

I remember during Clinton's Impeachment hearings saying that to my not yet Tea Bagging mother - that they all sit around and decide who will be "for" what, and who will be "against" that, and then get together in a back room and make a deal. She asked me how I could be so cynical, I asked her how she could not.

But of course, I went on too to defend Dems, arguing over Obamacare and NAFTA, supporting both Billy Bob and Barack wholeheartedly. And then I read a bit more about what Obamacare actually IS, and that made me pause for a second, but I still wanted to believe. Then TPP and Obama using the racist meme to say that anyone against that was merely a racist, and by God it started to sink in - they really DO make those backroom deals and probably always have.

And the betrayal of that is what makes me so fucking angry. As I used to say in that other place when some Hillbot got all defensive over Mr Obama - you too will figure it out someday and you too will be very angry, and that anger will burn one hell of a lot hotter at the Dem who sold you out then your disgust and anger at the stupidity of the Tea Party ever burned... And once you see it? You can't un see it.

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Submitted by The Wizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 5:03am

Trump can fix his negatives, Hillary can't

Hillary's negatives are from a lifelong history of prevarications, bad judgement, scamming the system, and securing personal power at any cost, not to mention being the worlds foremost Neocon.

Trumps negatives are from letting his mouth flap without control. All he has to do is to rein in his verbal excesses and his negatives will decrease, especially in comparison to Hillary. Trump has control of the causes of his negative ratings; Hillary can't escape lifelong actions.

This is Martha Coakley all over again. The Democratic insiders see their leading politician as deserving of the nomination, without at all considering her objectively or how she is viewed by most of America. It brings out the basic contradictions built into today's Democratic party, that the liberal party is really anything but a party of the people.

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Submitted by Lisa Lockwood on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 10:03am

I keep remembering Lawrence O'Donnel's

Comment post New Hampshire primary, when it was clear that Trump was winning. He stated that in every election/campaign Hillary has ever run whatever her poll numbers are at the beginning, they never get better. Never go up. He cited her runs in New York, and her previous bid for the White House, and said that her starting number was never improved upon. She either stayed the same (NY Senate race, at 67% (?)) or she dropped (Pres race), but once her numbers went down, they never, ever went back up.
And now we have at least 3 polls showing Trump either surging or beating her. Wonderful.... Just try telling her supporters that, and you're likely to get hit with more venom and 'la la la' than you can handle.

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Submitted by bikingforkarma on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 10:50am

" a campaign is what you did your whole life, not what you said

yesterday".

paraphrasing a bernie quote that i love.

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Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 7:11am

“Free trade” agreements: TTIP’s threat to Europe’s elderly

The dangers of free trade agreements: TTIP’s threat to Europe’s elderly

The most serious threat to European health care and care for the aging population in general is pressure from U.S. firms and diplomats to ram through the TTIP.

It is much more than a free trade agreement. Its “investor dispute” mechanism threatens to disenfranchise governments. The intent is to block them from protecting Europe’s economy, population and basic social philosophy that has developed over the past century of social democracy.

That is why so many of us in the United States also are fighting against this agreement. It has been a major issue in this year’s presidential campaign. Republican nominee Donald Trump has affirmed that the public option is by far the most economic. And Democratic contender Bernie Sanders has opposed Hillary Clinton’s support for her patrons on Wall Street and in the pharmaceutical monopolies. I hope that a similar fight will be waged in Europe.

Could things be more backwards? The Republican says positive things about the public option, while the (establishment) Democrat pooh-poohs it and pampers the profiteers.

Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:26am

THIS, THIS, THIIIIISSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

It is much more than a free trade agreement. Its “investor dispute” mechanism threatens to disenfranchise governments. The intent is to block them from protecting Europe’s economy, population and basic social philosophy that has developed over the past century of social democracy

Disenfranchisement. Now there's a word that might--might--get peoples' attention. I keep saying this mechanism will render borders and Constitutions null and void the first time this Investor wins one of them. That people cannot see this or understand it absolutely makes me nuts. How do you not see that for what it is?? I finally figured that if people weren't getting what I was saying, that we'd need a different word to describe it. Perhaps this is the answer? Thank you!

Submitted by stevej on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:27am

Yup

In a nutshell its purpose is to place corporations above the nation state. It really is that simple.

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Submitted by lizzyh7 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 2:18pm

But, but, but the US never loses one of these, right?

From some Hillbot over there back in the past... Yeah, maybe we haven't yet, but we also get to pay for the lawyers who fight the suits, so either way, WE pay for our own disenfranchisement. The idiocy of that line, that we don't lose any so what's the big? And that from a lawyer if I'm not mistaken... Hardly a shock I guess, what better way to keep that profession going into perpetuity?

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Submitted by Steve15 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:36am

Four years of Trump

would allow an opportunity to clean house. Here in Minnesota we survived four years of Jesse Ventura and we even got light rail transport out of the deal.

Submitted by Wink on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 12:05pm

We'll get more from the

We'll get more from the Trumpster than we'll ever get from HRC.

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Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:42am

It is the mechanism that will

dismantle all government and make, in effect, ONE government.

Sound familiar? I hate those goddamn disinfo agents with every fiber of my being, more and more every day. Since practically the dawn of the Internet, you've heard variations of this:

"The UN is taking over the world! Protect yourself and your weapons with MREs and collodial silver!"

Strip away all the hyperbole and all you have is what we've been saying, just said a different way. This is an entity that is bigger than your silly little Nation State, which intends to amass enough power over actual sovereignty to strip the world of borders and Constitutions until there is only One Government--the Corporate State of the World.

Now that it's actually apparent, nobody wants to listen to actual reason based on demonstrable fact anywhere *near* that entire concept because of the association of a variation of it from the likes of Alex Jones and his One World UN. What a joke...

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 8:44am

“Poisoning the well,” I believe that technique is called. n/t

Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 9:23am

That is correct.

How depressing...

Submitted by gjohnsit on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 10:17am

All recent polls show a tight race

Rueters

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 11:05am

Another fun dirty secret to uncover --

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/is-it-time-for-the-democrats-...

Hint to David Millward: The Democrats would rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

Submitted by Timmethy2.0 on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 11:34am

The Democratic party might be available to us

It seems like the groundswell is building against Hillary, the neocon Corporatists and the corruption. They might become so hated by the time of the convention that they will see no choice but to abandon the Party so that we can have it back.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Submitted by featheredsprite on Thu, 05/12/2016 - 11:34am