The Ukraine Invasion Mid July
In a war, each side attempts to put their own spin on the news. Any news from any source should be read carefully. A good source will quote someone like a government spokesperson and state who that person is and what government they work for so that you can make of it what you will.
The AP, Reuters, Aljazeera, AFP, even the VOA all do this, they also try to double and triple check other sources to see if they are all telling the same tale or if information can be checked against known facts. Not just because they are journalists but also because the more fact based a source is, the more people trust it and use it in the future.
A couple of weeks ago Russia took the city of Lysychansk the last big town to fall in Luhansk Province. To many it was unclear why Ukraine held on in the city as long as it did, it was strategically not important. In hindsight they retreated from well fortified positions strategically, losing as few lives as possible and costing the Russians as much as possible. When it came time to leave they lost no personnel as prisoners.
I also noticed a few weeks ago that Ukraine let slip that they were losing 200 men per day as casualties. Seems like an unusual slip of the tongue. All of the news was what difficult straights Ukraine was in.
Then a week, or a week and a half ago, there started to be videos and news of Ukraine using newer very accurate rockets and blowing up ammunition storage facilities far behind Russian lines. The videos could have been of anything, or all of the same thing. Like I said, one has no way to determine the validity of news from a war.
By this weekend it's no longer supposition. Ukraine blew up the leadership of a division and many ammo storage facilities. Russian soldiers communicate with their families, Russian observers speak fairly freely on the social media site Telegram. NASA also has open source maps showing fires. When an ammo dump cooks off explosives for hours it leaves quite a heat signature.
Russia in the meantime has expended some cruise missiles from submarines and from bombers outside Ukraine's airspace in neighboring countries. Ukraine claims civilian casualties but I would think Russia was trying to hit something, they seemingly have very little accurate artillery.
Russia's method is to line up lots of artillery and bomb a town to rubble before moving in. Unfortunately for all concerned this method leads to tons of civilian deaths and does little to degrade the abilities of the other army. This used to be the method we all used, think Dresden, Tokyo, Hanoi.
Ukraines method seems to have more results, they are already shifting their targeting to air defences. Without artillery shells Russia can't bomb with abandon, if they lose air defences it will greatly increase the lifespan of drones. America has AWAKS over the Baltics and England has them over the Black Sea. Russia has none.
In the black sea Ukraine retook Snake Island and they now have plenty of surface to ship missiles.
So far Ukraine has made no effort to counter attack. Attacking leads to lopsided casualty figures. The resident populations of Russian occupied areas seem much less enthralled with the recent invasion than they were when Russia was simply supporting those with ties to old mother Russia.
Filtration camps are sending anywhere from hundreds of thousands to a million Ukraine civilians to the far NE borders of Japan and China to be relocated. Plus when an army turns your city to rubble, you look upon your own country in a more favorable light.
Russia is apt to cut off gas to Europe at any time. There is a winter coming up. Russian inflation is around 15%, and the Ruble has strengthened against the dollar.
Ukraine is probably imagining re taking Kerson. It would cut off Crimea and perhaps leave them in a strong position re the rest of Ukraine. Something will break the current stalemate. Of course if Russia simply stopped attacking and went back to Russia the war would be over, but if Ukraine stops fighting for their country Ukraine will be over.
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/ukraine-russia-crisis/
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-government-and-politics-9adeb7...
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Good gravy dude
Might as well just use the state department for your news sources…oh wait you are.
Voice of America is all CIA talking points and has been since its creation. It’s pure propaganda and it’s why we once had the Smith-Mundt act which didn’t allow the government to spout propaganda at at us. You should look it up and see what happened after Obama rescinded it.
The rest of this essay could have been written by the state department itself. Oh well time will tell the truth once Russia meets their objectives in Ukraine and elsewhere. Meanwhile Ukraine will keep losing troops and civilians in a conflict that was lost the minute Russia decided to protect the Donbas and de-nazify the country. If you are comfortable supporting Nazis I guess that’s your right. I find it beyond heinous that my tax dollars are supporting them.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Thank You
I was unaware of how national control of journalism works.
Being ignorant of how news works, I was completely trusting in CNN in the lead up to the Iraq war. Of course my trust in their rigorous journalistic methods did not betray me. Just as Judith Miller of the New York Times or any of the hard hitting journalism Washington Post questioning how a small UAV with no C2 system would endanger the US. ''
Of course being ignorant of how news organizations work, I can only imagine the transformation of Al Jazeera Arabic prior to 2010 and its solid reputation of actual news into the current government mouthpiece is also based on 'journalism.' Which led all the journalist with so-called integrity who didn't want to be a real journalist and echo what their government told them to say to quit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YCZE0rr4Y
Same as what happened to Chris Hedges
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Most mainstream media places get their news from the same
source. Wendy did a great essay on this a few years ago. And when they say they check their sources and stories they turn to other sites for fact checking of course the facts match up. CNN to the NYT: Did you see the report from the AP stating that Russia is paying the Taliban money for bounties on US servicemen? CNN Yep we just pulled the story off the AP wires. NYT: Good deal. You just confirmed our story so we are going to print it. CNN: Good deal. You can say that we verified your story.
Sheesh. After the WMDs debacle and other false stories anyone still believing mainstream media deserves to be misled.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Al Jazeera was turned into a propaganda
mouthpiece by Hillary Clinton under Obama's term during the US engineered "Arab Spring" in 2010.
I know
I loved their news site. During the Afghan war in the early 2000s it was a great news source. Unlike the western media. Many people had great respect for Al Jazeera. Then the government ruined it. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
I quit watching Western media in the run up to the Iraq war. I found that yelling at the TV did no good. I still read the Washington Post just to get an idea of what the government is telling its minions to think. And if there ever was a blatant CIA spokesman it is David Ignatius.
The "filtration" reports are propagada
Russia has offered Russian passports to Ukrainians well before February 24, 2022.
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July 27, 2014 - Madonna of Gorlovka
@CB Not sure what you are
You have obviously not closely followed
the conflict in Ukraine since the US engineered coup in 2014 - or you have only relied on the MSM to get your "information".
Note: Horlivka is Ukrainian spelling of the original Gorlovka.
Take note that this is the reason why Russian Ukranians sent their children to Russia.
Some historical context for you
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wamDOVAL79M]
@CB Sounds dreadful, do you
Can you try to figure out how to post replies?
There’s actually instructions for you to it correctly just below the dialogue box.
As for the history of the Maiden square massacre even your beloved sources reported on it back when it happened. And they even admitted that it was the neo Nazis who did the deed. They also used to report on how Ukraine was killing Ukrainians living in the Donbas since they refused to accept the coup puppet president that Obama installed. You are very ill informed on the history of what led up to Russia moving on Ukraine. But I guess that let’s you have your righteous outrage at Russia whilst denying what the nasty Nazis there have been doing in Ukraine for many decades. Your beloved sources wrote about that too before they were told to stop covering them.
How will you explain this? Your beloved Reuters is right there for you to see.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Very little was said in the western MSM
(Note: most are behind paywall)
No subject…
no point to this picture either. But what does that patch he’s wearing mean? Maybe you can look into it for us.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Your trusted news sources explain your misunderstanding
These MSM outlets you list are mostly CIA/MIC propaganda.
Try Scott Ritter who tried to warn us about the Iraq war lies. TPTB have lied us into every war and the Ukraine conflict is no exception.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z39ITwBw_UQ]
CB provides you lots of sources. All I can say is remember WMD in Iraq, the gulf of Tonkin in VN, and the Syrian gassing lie, and every war we have driven with lies. It is the US MO.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
@Lookout Here's a list of sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media#:~:text=In%20journalism%2...(MSM,to%20contrast%20with%20alternative%20media.
Here's a list of sources generally called the MSM.REuters, AP, AFP, Aljazeera, they aren't on there.
The Associated Press is an independent global news organization dedicated to factual reporting. Founded in 1846, AP today remains the most trusted source of fast, accurate, unbiased news in all formats and the essential provider of the technology and services vital to the news business.
I think they are more factual than some long haired you tuber with gold chains and screaming at the video feed from his basement.
lol…
AP independent. 9 billionaire people own most mainstream media outlets and have ties to defense industries. but sure they are trustworthy. That’s been known for decades. Even the shitlibs wrote about once upon a time. Have you forgotten?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Where do you think AP gets it's stories from?
Associated Press IS the MSM.
You can see AP's anti Russian bias here: Russia-Ukraine war
Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 17.07.2022
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ21n0UFJ_E]
This is a very brief read.
It is a good summation of the misinformation about Ukraine from our MSM.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/17/patrick-lawrence-the-imaginary-war/
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981