They can’t be that stupid can they?

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 10:32pm

US Govt Just Admitted This Is A War That Will Determine Who Will Rule The New World Order

We now have a war that the vast majority of us never wanted. All of our lives are going to be turned upside down, the global economy is going to be absolutely eviscerated, and countless numbers of people are going to die. I am very angry with Vladimir Putin and the Russians for launching a full-blown invasion, because it didn’t need to happen. And I am also very angry with the Biden administration because it would have been so easy to find a diplomatic solution to this crisis. Unfortunately, the time for diplomacy is now over and World War III has begun.

On Thursday, State Department spokesman Ned Price made a stunning admission regarding what this war is really all about.

According to Price, Russia and China “also want a world order”, but he warned that if they win their world order “would be profoundly illiberal”…

China has given “tacit approval” for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s latest invasion of Ukraine, in the judgment of U.S. officials, as part of a joint effort to undermine the institutions that American and allied leaders established to minimize conflict in the decades following World War II.

“Russia and the PRC also want a world order,” State Department spokesman Ned Price said Wednesday. “But this is an order that is and would be profoundly illiberal. … It is an order that is, in many ways, destructive rather than additive.”

And he implied that what we are witnessing is a battle over who will ultimately run the “world order”.

That should deeply alarm all of us.

Now that World War III has begun, things are going to move very quickly. NBC News is reporting that Joe Biden is considering launching “massive cyberattacks” against Russia…

President Joe Biden has been presented with a menu of options for the U.S. to carry out massive cyberattacks designed to disrupt Russia’s ability to sustain its military operations in Ukraine, four people familiar with the deliberations tell NBC News.

Two U.S. intelligence officials, one Western intelligence official and another person briefed on the matter say no final decisions have been made, but they say U.S. intelligence and military cyber warriors are proposing the use of American cyberweapons on a scale never before contemplated. Among the options: disrupting internet connectivity across Russia, shutting off electric power, and tampering with railroad switches to hamper Russia’s ability to resupply its forces, three of the sources said.

That would be an act of war, and the Russians would inevitably strike back really hard.

In fact, Vladimir Putin has already raised the possibility of using nukes…

Broadcast live on television at 5.45am Moscow time, President Putin said: “Whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people, must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history.”

“All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me.”

I hope that those unnamed sources are just blowing smoke because that would be the most idiotic move in human history and probably one of the last ones for some time. NATO is fanning the flames in Ukraine by sending lots more weapons into the country and placing more troops in countries that border Russia. Putin has been telling Biden to back off or else and or else has happened. I don’t think his other threat should be taken lightly.

It didn’t have to come to this. Ukraine was not going to be admitted to NATO, but that hasn’t been the plan. The plan was to setup the people in Ukraine to take on Russia so that NATO could make the moves it has. The sanctions on Russia started before they moved their troops into Ukraine and after Russia said that they would protect people in the Donbas area. It’s all been planned out long in advance. Gawd help us all.

Don’t miss Moon of Alabama's coverage of day 3 which has lots of links and read the comments.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 10:56pm

It is a difficult question to answer.

The easy answer would be "YES" but it is more than that.

I doubt that dementia Joe is calling the shots.

It is his neocon handlers who are in control and they are not stupid they are megalomaniacs.

Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:08pm

The stupid keeps on coming! The US and its vassals act.

What could possibly go wrong?

U.S., UK, Europe, Canada to block Russian access to SWIFT https://t.co/OHdvxnuWbp pic.twitter.com/wO8ZMDazyO

— Reuters (@Reuters) February 27, 2022

SWIFT says it preparing to comply with curbs on Russian banks https://t.co/VCA1VdJDXy pic.twitter.com/GSyTHKA3jr

— Reuters (@Reuters) February 27, 2022

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:18pm

Comment on MoA addresses that

@humphrey

Seems that big banks are saying that it’s not a good idea. It’s not because it’d wreck the world economy worse than it already is.

lol!

You know the imperialist war machine is desperate if they’ve reactivated Bana who now lives in Turkey https://t.co/AvGYb9niTl

— yara (@ysxsh) February 27, 2022

Now that is funny!

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:12pm

Oh goody more insurgents

CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades

The CIA is overseeing a secret intensive training program in the U.S. for elite Ukrainian special operations forces and other intelligence personnel, according to five former intelligence and national security officials familiar with the initiative. The program, which started in 2015, is based at an undisclosed facility in the Southern U.S., according to some of those officials.

While the covert program, run by paramilitaries working for the CIA’s Ground Branch — now officially known as Ground Department — was established by the Obama administration after Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014, and expanded under the Trump administration, the Biden administration has further augmented it, said a former senior intelligence official in touch with colleagues in government.

Lessons unlearned?

The CIA has backed Ukrainian insurgents before. Let’s learn from those mistakes

As Ukraine burns, it looks as though the CIA has gone cold — back to the Cold War.

Russia invaded Ukraine by land, air and sea on Thursday, but for years now the Central Intelligence Agency has been preparing for such a moment, not only with prescient intelligence gathering and analysis but also by preparing Ukrainians to mount an insurgency against a Russian occupation.

Those optimists seem to be forgetting the lessons from past U.S. efforts, including the CIA’s first attempt to support a Ukrainian insurgency against the Soviets in 1949, which ended in failure and a judgment by the CIA decades later that the effort was “ill-fated and tragic.”

The challenges for a Ukrainian insurgency are no less difficult today.

Russian intelligence poses a serious threat to any CIA intervention. After initial setbacks, Soviet intelligence was able to penetrate the Ukrainian resistance, leading to the collapse of the insurgency in the early 1950s.

The second article looks like it has lots of good information in it, but I haven’t finished reading it yet. Worth a look.

Hey remember when we created Al Qaida? Yeah good times.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 10:45am

I can't disagree wth the gist of this tweet.

I didn't read the article.

Grenell rips into Biden administration, State Department over Russia-Ukraine war https://t.co/v8ShjkYtx2

— Fox News (@FoxNews) February 27, 2022

Submitted by wokkamile on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 11:25am

It does seem odd

@humphrey that in 2022 apparently the top natsec people for a moderate D president are all to the right of Kissinger from the 70s in not recognizing another great power's sphere of influence. That's a depressing state of affairs.

Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:26pm

But of course she has to get involved.

Former Secretary of State @HillaryClinton touted the use of cyberattacks against Russia in response to its brutal military assault on Ukraine.

https://t.co/YkTgY39b2u

— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) February 27, 2022

Submitted by Azazello on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 9:53am

I'm almost certain that this was the "Biden agenda" all along.

There was a lot of bullshit during Bido's first year about him having some big, bold agenda to help the people. The media were saying that he was going to be like FDR, remember ?
That never happened, of course, because it was never going to happen.
The real Biden agenda was a new cold war which they appear to have achieved.
From Bido's first press conference, March 25, 2021.

Look, I predict to you, your children or grandchildren are going to be doing their doctoral thesis on the issue of who succeeded autocracy or democracy, because that is what is at stake, not just with China, look around the world. We’re in the midst of a fourth industrial revolution of enormous consequence. Will there be middle class? How will people adjust to these significant changes in science and technology? The environment? How will they do that? And our democracy is equipped because all the people get to speak, to compete. It is clear, absolutely clear. And most of the scholars I dealt with at Penn agree with me around the country, that this is a battle between the utility of democracies in the 21st century and autocracies. If you notice, you don’t have Russia talking about communism anymore, it’s about an autocracy. Demand decisions made by a leader of a country. That’s what’s at stake here. We’ve got to prove democracy works.

So that's the program, to divide the world into two camps just like the last cold war only it won't be "the free world" vs. "communism" it'll be "democracies" vs. "autocracies."
"Biden", whoever they actually are, want to rescue the RBIO, unite/distract us with this new cold war and, most importantly, keep those contracts flowing. The media are co-operating, of course.
New York Times - Biden Targets Russia With Strategy of Containment, Updated for a New Era

WASHINGTON — More than 75 years ago, faced with a Soviet Union that clearly wanted to take over states beyond its borders, the United States adopted a Cold War approach that came to be known as “containment,” a simplistic-sounding term that evolved into a complex Cold War strategy.

On Thursday, having awakened to a violent, unprovoked attack on Ukraine, exactly the kind of nightmare imagined eight decades before, President Biden made clear he was moving toward Containment 2.0. Though it sounds a lot like its predecessor, it will have to be revised for a modern era that is in many ways more complex.

Wall Streert Journal - Ukraine Crisis Kicks Off New Superpower Struggle Among U.S., Russia and China

For much of the past decade, the U.S. security establishment began taking note of what the Pentagon in 2015 called the “re-emergence of great power competition” and shifted from its emphasis of counterterrorism operations in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.
In setting priorities as the Pentagon seeks to retool for future conflicts, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has repeatedly cast China as the “pacing challenge” while Russia was seen as the lesser longer-term danger.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 9:32am

Nailed it

@Azazello

It was planned long ago and it’s why we had 5 years of Russia Russia and of course we have been meddling around China at the same time. As the 1st article on the CIA training Ukrainians states it started during Obama’s tenure then Trump continued it as has Biden. I learned during Trump that every Secretary of State still meets with the current one to make sure that our long term foreign policies continue uninterrupted. I found that out when Trump rescinded Brennan and Albright's security clearance.

Trump the Russian puppet pulled us out of 2 treaties and people are still mentioning it, but apparently they haven’t noticed that Biden isn’t going to do them either. Biden has continued so many of Trump’s policies and it seems that the only thing that has changed is no mean tweets. FDR? Not so much.

There was a lot of bullshit during Bido's first year about him having some big, bold agenda to help the people. The media were saying that he was going to be like FDR, remember ? That never happened, of course, because it was never going to happen. The real Biden agenda was a new cold war which they appear to have achieved. From Bido's first press conference, March 25, 2021. Look, I predict to you, your children or grandchildren are going to be doing their doctoral thesis on the issue of who succeeded autocracy or democracy, because that is what is at stake, not just with China, look around the world. We’re in the midst of a fourth industrial revolution of enormous consequence. Will there be middle class? How will people adjust to these significant changes in science and technology? The environment? How will they do that? And our democracy is equipped because all the people get to speak, to compete. It is clear, absolutely clear. And most of the scholars I dealt with at Penn agree with me around the country, that this is a battle between the utility of democracies in the 21st century and autocracies. If you notice, you don’t have Russia talking about communism anymore, it’s about an autocracy. Demand decisions made by a leader of a country. That’s what’s at stake here. We’ve got to prove democracy works. So that's the program, to divide the world into two camps just like the last cold war only it won't be "the free world" vs. "communism" it'll be "democracies" vs. "autocracies." "Biden", whoever they actually are, want to rescue the RBIO, unite/distract us with this new cold war and, most importantly, keep those contracts flowing. The media are co-operating, of course. New York Times - Biden Targets Russia With Strategy of Containment, Updated for a New Era WASHINGTON — More than 75 years ago, faced with a Soviet Union that clearly wanted to take over states beyond its borders, the United States adopted a Cold War approach that came to be known as “containment,” a simplistic-sounding term that evolved into a complex Cold War strategy. On Thursday, having awakened to a violent, unprovoked attack on Ukraine, exactly the kind of nightmare imagined eight decades before, President Biden made clear he was moving toward Containment 2.0. Though it sounds a lot like its predecessor, it will have to be revised for a modern era that is in many ways more complex. Wall Streert Journal - Ukraine Crisis Kicks Off New Superpower Struggle Among U.S., Russia and China For much of the past decade, the U.S. security establishment began taking note of what the Pentagon in 2015 called the “re-emergence of great power competition” and shifted from its emphasis of counterterrorism operations in the Middle East and Southwest Asia. In setting priorities as the Pentagon seeks to retool for future conflicts, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has repeatedly cast China as the “pacing challenge” while Russia was seen as the lesser longer-term danger.

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Submitted by QMS on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 9:37am

I would much rather see a multi-polar world

@Azazello

where global powers are balanced between at least 3 super powers ..
Russia, China and the US. Other nation-states do not necessarily have to
align with any of the 3. Iran can have their sphere of influence in the ME.
Indian / African nations can establish their own spheres as well.
This whole idea where one bloc, as in NATO, gets to call the shots of
geopolitical control is not going to allow for peace among nations.
And the US hegemony is in decline, in spite of our military aspirations.

There was a lot of bullshit during Bido's first year about him having some big, bold agenda to help the people. The media were saying that he was going to be like FDR, remember ? That never happened, of course, because it was never going to happen. The real Biden agenda was a new cold war which they appear to have achieved. From Bido's first press conference, March 25, 2021. Look, I predict to you, your children or grandchildren are going to be doing their doctoral thesis on the issue of who succeeded autocracy or democracy, because that is what is at stake, not just with China, look around the world. We’re in the midst of a fourth industrial revolution of enormous consequence. Will there be middle class? How will people adjust to these significant changes in science and technology? The environment? How will they do that? And our democracy is equipped because all the people get to speak, to compete. It is clear, absolutely clear. And most of the scholars I dealt with at Penn agree with me around the country, that this is a battle between the utility of democracies in the 21st century and autocracies. If you notice, you don’t have Russia talking about communism anymore, it’s about an autocracy. Demand decisions made by a leader of a country. That’s what’s at stake here. We’ve got to prove democracy works. So that's the program, to divide the world into two camps just like the last cold war only it won't be "the free world" vs. "communism" it'll be "democracies" vs. "autocracies." "Biden", whoever they actually are, want to rescue the RBIO, unite/distract us with this new cold war and, most importantly, keep those contracts flowing. The media are co-operating, of course. New York Times - Biden Targets Russia With Strategy of Containment, Updated for a New Era WASHINGTON — More than 75 years ago, faced with a Soviet Union that clearly wanted to take over states beyond its borders, the United States adopted a Cold War approach that came to be known as “containment,” a simplistic-sounding term that evolved into a complex Cold War strategy. On Thursday, having awakened to a violent, unprovoked attack on Ukraine, exactly the kind of nightmare imagined eight decades before, President Biden made clear he was moving toward Containment 2.0. Though it sounds a lot like its predecessor, it will have to be revised for a modern era that is in many ways more complex. Wall Streert Journal - Ukraine Crisis Kicks Off New Superpower Struggle Among U.S., Russia and China For much of the past decade, the U.S. security establishment began taking note of what the Pentagon in 2015 called the “re-emergence of great power competition” and shifted from its emphasis of counterterrorism operations in the Middle East and Southwest Asia. In setting priorities as the Pentagon seeks to retool for future conflicts, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has repeatedly cast China as the “pacing challenge” while Russia was seen as the lesser longer-term danger.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 10:01am

Ditto

@QMS

In a sane world that is what we would have, but the people who run our government are not sane. But as you say America the country is in decline and it’s going balls to the wall to take 1st place. Meanwhile our city’s infrastructure falls into more decay because the parasite class is asset stripping the country. This current fight is for all the marbles. I think if we lose the dollar falls. It’s what I’ve read.
Sadly not many people are against war in any form. I just don’t get it.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 10:54am

I would state it a bit differently...

@QMS

FWIW

the US hegemony is in decline, in spite of our military aspirations.

to: the US hegemony is in decline, because of our military aspirations.

We squandered our wealth and good will in the rest of the world to pursue our war agenda in order to enrich the few.

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Submitted by QMS on Sun, 02/27/2022 - 11:13am

Agreed LO

@Lookout

that does state the point in a much truer form

it is very sad the US war machine has dwindled our
reserves in both worldwide goodwill and domestic needs

It would appear the pentagoons are going all out in this
custard's last stand approach to fighting the enemy
over there, but have a feeling they are bringing the fight
over here, for which we will all suffer - even the bankers!

Stoopid is too gentle a word for this insanity.

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Submitted by fire with fire on Mon, 02/28/2022 - 4:04pm

Are They That Stupid?

No way to answer that question other than to wake up in the morning. If you can, they are haven't done anything THAT stupid, yet.

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