The Dose 10-18-2021

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An open thread for gentle discussions of all things Covid.

YAOTATC (Yet Another Open Thread for All Things Covid)

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The correct response to someone who supports going to war if China attacks Taiwan is “Are you enlisted?”

The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

Caitlin

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rate per 100: US - 125 doses. Japan - 140 doses. Their death rate has kept relatively flat (65) unlike the large US jump (2,326) in September. I doesn't appear that they are getting vaccine complications and/or breakthrough cases.

Current stats:

US - deaths per million 2,233 - cases per million 137,324 - daily deaths 161
Japan - deaths per million 144 - cases per million 13,612 - daily deaths 14

Correlation is not causation but something has been going on here.

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seem to share many symptoms. It has been suggested that the one obvious commonality is the so called “Spike” protein which both COVID and mRNA vaccines deliver to our bodies.

Also, and perhaps not unrelated to the above speculation, Ivermectin, the COVID virus and the covid vaccine all bind efficiently to ACE2 receptors. If a receptor is occupied by an Ivermectin molecule or an mRNA vaccine spike replicant they are not going to be available to the COVID virus. If the COVID virus finds an unoccupied receptor, that is when replication and disease get started. Perhaps having both mRNA vaccine AND Ivermectin work together as a synergistic combination in both disease prevention and mitigation of adverse effects from mRNA vaccines.

Of course, none of the big money will ever fund such a study. They have vaccines to peddle and really, really wouldn’t want to run out of lifetime customers.

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Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

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Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

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Article here: How 4 Calls on Animal Ivermectin Launched a False FDA-Media Attack on a Life-Saving Human Medicine

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It didn't have to be this way.

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Unfortunately Alligator Ed is not here with us to see this in person. In the beginning, I had argued with him against ivermectin. I had won some but lost more. Since his untimely passing, I gradually came to realize the efficacy of this drug.

Groundbreaking: Nebraska AG Says Doctors Can Legally Prescribe Ivermectin, HCQ for COVID, Calls Out FDA, CDC, Fauci, Media for ‘Fueling Confusion and Misinformation’

At the request of the Nebraska Department of Health, on Oct. 15, Nebraska Attorney General Doug Peterson issued a legal opinion that Nebraska healthcare providers can legally prescribe ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID, so long as they obtain informed consent from the patient.
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Nebraska AG highlights science on ivermectin

In his legal opinion, Peterson concluded evidence showed ivermectin demonstrated striking effectiveness in preventing and treating COVID, and any side effects were primarily minor and transient. “Thus, the UCA does not preclude physicians from considering ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID,” Peterson wrote.
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Nebraska AG calls out FDA, Fauci on hypocrisy on ivermectin

Many U.S. health agencies have now addressed the use of ivermectin for COVID. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has adopted a neutral position, choosing not to recommend for or against the use of ivermectin — a change from its position in January 2021 where it discouraged use of the drug for treatment of COVID.

Peterson wrote:

“The reason for the change is the NIH recognized several randomized trials and retrospective cohort studies of ivermectin use in patients with COVID-19 have been published in peer-reviewed journals. And some of those studies reported positive outcomes, including shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations that were attributed to COVID-19, greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels, shorter time to viral clearance, [and] lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.”

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as I was out and about yielded the following interesting info.

Seniors usually get extra strong flu shots. I have taken them with no flu ever and no after effects.

This year, the seniors I spoke with today all told me that they would be asking for the regular strength flu shots, not the senior dose this year because there are spreading overdose worries. All seniors know of stories like mine where the 2 Covid shots were just too much.

needless to say, until I am 100% better, nothing of any strength is going into my veins or blood supply.

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childhood vaccinations. In spite of the fact that it’s apples and oranges, the growing popular mistrust of our HHS edicts from above will surely rub off on all important childhood vaccination compliance. If they lied misinformed us about mRNA safety and or efficacy, they might be wrong about other vaccines as well. The so called “Noble Lie” has a wide reach, far beyond this pandemic.

It didn’t have to be this way.

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in COVID Resilience Ranking?

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I hope it doesn’t come to pass. I barely kept up with what he is saying here so I won’t excerpt it cuz I don’t know what is most important.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/what-happens-if-israel-fails-the...

Other good articles on the site.

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In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

in this dose thread. Thanks all. I'm very concerned about AEs and no longer trust the Public Health system to advocate for the common good.

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