The growth of self identified Anti-Vaxers is booming.

For the past 19 months, the biggest story on Earth has been centered around COVID-19 and the effort to quell the global pandemic caused by the SARS-CoV2 virus, and its many variants. What does the battlefield look like if you are a brilliant scientist who has spent the past 38 years focused on vaccine development, who also happened to be a pioneer who worked on the team who developed the technology that became the basis of the mRNA vaccines that predominate in the US and around the world?

Dr Robert Malone is one of very few who fits that description. He recently sat down for an interview with Jan Jekielek of American Thought Leaders to answer questions and offer his thoughts about where we are currently, how we got here, and where the future of this pandemic and the future of the science of vaccines seems to be headed.

One of the most concerning issues he brings up is the recent precipitous drop in the public’s confidence in vaccines mentioned in the title of this essay.

I’ve had a fear from the get-go with project Warp Speed in the vaccine development enterprise, as a vaccinologist……….My fear has been with rushing this through, we would end up with problems. How can you not end up with problems if you cut corners and rush these things, particularly the safety issues? What would happen to the entire vaccine enterprise and pediatric vaccines, the fundamental bedrocks of public health?

There was an interesting statistic I heard the other day on the Highwire when I was interviewed there. The baseline self-identified anti-vaxxer historically has been about 3 per cent of the population. According to them in the latest survey, it has bumped up to 40 per cent of the population self- identifying as anti-vaxxer.

His thoughts on “herd immunity….

…..for example, the government is saying, “We want 70 per cent uptake of vaccine if we’re going to release restrictions on a community.”
The problem is that we don’t have any data from these clinical trials about the impact of vaccination on transmission. So you can’t really make a real calculation, epidemiologically, as to how many people within a population have to have either been infected or vaccinated.

…and suppression of discussion, social media censorship…

So she’s had this cascade of events, and she’s surrounded by friends, family, and social contacts that all believe that the vaccines are fully safe, and she must be crazy. It can’t possibly be that there’s any relationship between vaccine acceptance uptake and her symptoms.
So let’s say this person goes on Facebook and joins the Facebook group that’s being created for people that believed they’ve had symptoms that have been triggered by vaccines. There’s a group there. They build up to about 150,000 people. Facebook deletes them.

…and

It is the ultimate gaslighting, and for these people, it is profoundly depressing.

There is more, much more in this wide ranging discussion. It is far and away the most compelling overview and critique of just how poorly our US efforts to meet the challenges of this pandemic have been, and how that threatens the future success of our larger vaccine efforts with other diseases. It deserves a full listen, or a full read. The people at The Epoch Times have kindly provided a transcript as well as the full interview.

Fair use constraints limIt my ability to adequately cover other important material, and I may well have inadvertently buried the lede. I can assure you that you will be impressed with Dr. Malone’s depth of knowledge and his calm and careful delivery of some potentially disquieting ideas.

I find myself thinking “Where would we be now if Dr. Malone, or someone like him, had taken the place of Anthony Fauci in January of 2020?”

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With COVID-19 cases skyrocketing in the U.S. and around the world, and the Delta variant causing havoc, we must face the fact that this pandemic is on the verge causing much more death and illness as students prepare to go back to school next month. This is especially troublesome in regions in the U.S. and regions around the world where overwhelming majorities of citizens (especially teens and children) are unvaccinated. Mike is joined by Dr. Peter Hotez to explain how important the next few months will be, the never-ending battle with both the anti-vax and right-wing misinformation machines, and the inexpensive Covid-19 "people's vaccine" Dr. Hotez has developed at his hospital in Houston that could become one of the cheapest and most accessible vaccines throughout the world.

Ep. 202: The Anti-Vax Movement's Public Enemy #1 with Dr. Peter Hotez

Can This Houston-Born COVID Vaccine Save the Developing World?

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/covid-vaccine-corbevax-india/

Dr. Hotez: Biden Battles a Triple-Headed Monster on Vaccines

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-battles-a-triple-headed-monster-on-v...

Dr. Hotez: Time To Confront Anti-Vax Aggression

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01084-x

Books by Dr. Hotez:

Preventing the Next Pandemic: Vaccine Diplomacy in a Time of Anti-Science

https://bookshop.org/a/1381/9781421440385

Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel's Autism: My Journey as a Vaccine Scientist, Pediatrician, and Autism Dad

https://bookshop.org/a/1381/9781421426600

The Foreign Affairs article Dr. Hotez mentioned:

Science in the Totalitarian State

By Waldemar Kaempffert

January 1941

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/1941-01-01/science-totalitarian-...

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@phillybluesfan
the dramatic rise in anti vax sentiment is caused in part by our inept response to the pandemic and relying completely on vaccines, in spite of having no data whatsoever on any ability of the vaccines to inhibit transmission of the virus to others. The data is narrowly focused on preventing symptomatic disease.

Public policy is being directed with a paucity of data available on the question of prevention of transmission. Without that data there is no way to ascertain if vaccination alone is even capable of bringing us to the so called “herd immunity” and an end to the pandemic.

Neither right wingers nor anti-vaxers are to blame for the ineptitude and inadequacy of our public health system’s response to this pandemic. They are being used to obscure the institutional failure of our national health agencies and deflect blame for that failure.

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@ovals49 of virus after vaccinated. Results, no transmission unless get the virus.

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@Granma about which sector is more likely to be asymptomatic spreaders? Vaxxed or unvaxxed? Young or old?

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@Granma .My impression from reading is that if you get Covid, you can transmit it whatever your age. And because no vaccine is 100% , some vaxxed people will get disease anyway. In most cases, vaxxed people who get Covid, will get a mild case, but they can still pass it on to others while they have it.

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Can This Houston-Born COVID Vaccine Save the Developing World?

Corbevax is expected to cost only about $1.50 per dose, since its supplies are cheap and easily accessible. Another advantage of Corbevax is its familiarity, for those still uneasy about newer vaccine technologies or their side effects. Recombinant protein vaccines cause far fewer reactions and have been proven safe for young children and pregnant women for many years. (The hepatitis B vaccine has the fewest side effects of nearly any routinely recommended vaccine.)

“That may also help with reducing a little bit of the hesitancy and increasing the confidence in vaccines,” Bottazzi says.
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What is Recombinant or Purified Protein Vaccines?

Recombinant or purified protein vaccines consist of protein antigens that have either been produced in a heterologous expression system (e.g., bacteria or yeast) or purified from large amounts of the pathogenic organism. The vaccinated person produces antibodies to the protein antigen, thus protecting him/her from disease.

Overview

Recombinant/purified protein vaccines are based on the concept that humoral immune responses mounted to an infection are often targeted toward specific localized regions on the surface of protein antigens known as epitopes.
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Existing Products

There are a limited number of recombinant/purified protein vaccines currently in use. Examples of successful recombinant/purified protein vaccines are listed here. The majority of on market vaccines using this strategy are related to protecting a person against the damage caused by secreted toxins rather than protecting a person against infection by the bacterium or virus. (Diphtheria, Hepatitis B, Tetanus)
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to be part of the control group. The result is that I contracted Covid and treated it with ivermectin. No vaccine for me. I can move forward with life now that I have a natural immunity. WHEW! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann
"The Jab" to get your vaccination "passport".

Is it any wonder 50% of the people don't trust the "experts" when it comes to vaccinations?

Individuals previously infected with COVID-19 still need vaccine, health officer advises
24 July 2021

Individuals who previously tested positive for COVID-19 still should get the free coronavirus vaccine as soon as possible to protect themselves and their loved ones from the continuing spread of the ever-changing virus.

That's the message from Dr. Chandana Vavilala, the Lake County health officer, as she looks ahead to another potential surge of COVID-19 infections as summer turns to fall and Region residents begin spending more time indoors than outdoors.

"This is something we can avoid if people get vaccinated," Vavilala said. "Only then can we protect the entire community."

According to the Indiana Department of Health, approximately 48% of Lake County residents are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 after receiving both shots of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
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She said each of the three COVID-19 vaccines provide more robust, and longer-lasting, protection against the coronavirus compared to natural infection.
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Vavilala also explained that previously infected individuals who get the COVID-19 vaccine will help protect Region residents unable to get the vaccine due to a health condition, as well as children under age 12 who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated.

"All the people who have also had the infection should go and get the vaccine. They should not become complacent thinking they have already had the virus so they are protected forever. That's not the case," she said.
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COVID-19 vaccines protect you better than infection, doctors say
20 July 2021

Doctors say you should still get vaccinated even if you've already had COVID-19.

With the delta variant surging in the United States, doctors are urging everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated -- including the more than 30 million people who have already had COVID-19.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, getting vaccinated after recovering from infection leads to even stronger protection compared to infection alone. Meanwhile, studies show currently authorized vaccines are likely to offer protection for at least eight months, and likely longer, but much less is known about how long you'll be protected from reinfection after recovering from COVID-19.

The Government of Canada has already placed mRNA orders for 30 million doses as "booster" shots for 2021 plus 30 million for 2022 plus 60 million for 2023 (in a country of 35 million). You currently MUST get vaccinations even if you have previously got infected and recovered. Children 12 and over can get vaccinated w/o parental consent. They have even offered free ice cream at their public vaccination centres to entice the kiddies.

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@CB
If such a policy is attempted here in the US, I will resist if necessary, any attempt to coerce compliance. I hold the exclusive right to decide what goes into my body. Period.

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Get someone in there who hasn't been tainted by lies
could be a start to renewed confidence against this dis- info war.

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@QMS
The Borg will surely resist admitting any error or allowing the good name of their favorite vaccines to be smeared.

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His delivery of specialized knowledge in the language of general public is very good. Finishing the article (text does not require the logged in restriction)will take some time, I have already followed up on some of his info with further investigation. Covid information and course of progression is happening at such a speed one quickly falls behind. I generally do a quick review each time I write about the subject.

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@studentofearth
for further review and digestion. There’s a lot of information packed into that 50 minute interview. Dr. Malone speaks extemporaneously better than I can write, and I agree that his explanations make complicated ideas much more accessible to us non professionals trying to stay informed on a subject that is rapidly changing. I’m glad you are finding the material of interest.

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John had a bit of data (more at the link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqVAiPXbJc
but the bottom line is somewhere between 25% to 50% of vaccinated people can get and spread the Delta variant most of them asymptomatically.

Delta spreading

Pfizer vaccine's efficacy in preventing delta variant infections, 39%

Still 91 % effective in preventing serious illness

Decreasing potency of the vaccination against transmission

more on the delta variant in the US from John here

Cases, up 53%

Hospitalizations, up 32%

Deaths, up 19%

Delta variant, 83% of cases circulating in US

Greatly increased viral load

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky

The delta variant is more aggressive and much more transmissible than previously circulating strains.

It is one of the most infectious respiratory viruses we know of and that I have seen in my 20-year career

We are yet at another pivotal moment in this pandemic, with cases rising again and some hospitals reaching their capacity in some areas

We need to come together as one nation, unified in our resolve to protect the health of ourselves, our children, our community, our country and our future with the tools we have available

I keep coming back to the sad truth most severe illness could be (and could have been) prevented. See RA's comment above.

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@Lookout

I keep coming back to the sad truth most severe illness could be (and could have been) prevented. See RA's comment above.

You noted Dr.RM’s comment that positive IVM trials providing a growing evidence base. A significant ray of hope in that prognostication!

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Remember when that was the goal?

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@Battle of Blair Mountain
a finite capacity for hospital care over a longer period of time so as to avoid a long line of soon to be corpses waiting on the sidewalk for an available bed. Triage becomes operative if the flattened curve is still too steep to serve all those who present themselves for care.

Hopefully we can do better with this next wave, and to “flatten the curve” as much as we can, once again.

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have seen on SARS-CoV2. Dr. Patterson has developed tests which show markers for the symptoms of Covid inflammation syndrome. It can be used for many post viral syndromes as well. The key is the identification of mechanisms of action.

He is also seeing potential for identifying inflammation syndromes caused by other infections as well. Potential for ME/CFS, Post-Lyme, and other inflammatory diseases. This is a big deal.

He talks a lot about RANTES. Here is an explanation:
RANTES

He has identified why post activity increase in symptoms occur. Non classical monocytes are mobilised by exercise.

Dr. Patterson is nerdy but easy to understand. He is really got some important things figured out. He is working to expand his potential tests to many other countries. He is using AI and machine assisted bioinformatics. Along with that set of results he has a recommended set of potential protocols which Dr. Mobeen has written up and put up on the FLCCC site. Dr. Patterson has been able to bring immune profiles back to normal after quite severe debilitation.

The audio has echo when Dr. Mobeen unmutes his mike, but it clears. His electronic white board drawings are quite helpful.

This is International Ivermectin Day.
Groups fighting for early treatment
World Ivermectin Day

Here is a thoughtful and data-filled response to the Guardian article. Tess Lawrie, who is a WHO independent analyst, shows the Evidence/Study Pyramid and the data sets with the Egyptian data removed and its implications for the rest of the data in the BIRD Meta Analysis.

If this Odysee platform interview does not show as a video, I will put the link itself here below.
https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/TessLawrie:0?

Thanks everyone for sharing what you know and have found. The key is to keep talking, asking questions and sharing good and bad what is out there.

Like RA Mr. Meta and I are on the full FLCCC prophylactic protocols. We are set up for dealing with possible infection. We both have previously been yearly vaccinated for flu and pneumonia. We are hoping to rejoin our choir if they can keep gathering. It's looking like France may lockdown again. We would love to sing again.

With the data out of Israel, and some other reports on NPR and local affiliates, there is some indication that a subset of Pfizer and other mRNA injected persons are getting DELTA variant infections. John Campbell is not an anti vaxxer and is quite disturbed by the recent information.

Go forth in health.

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because it could have been unnecessarily offensive, without meaning to.

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@janis b and totally understand your deletion.

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@on the cusp

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