The Impossible Is Happening With The Vaccine

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According to the BBC, people are getting the shots and then catching Covid-19 in the country with the highest percentage of vaccinations in the world:

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Most vaccinated nation Seychelles sees Covid spike

The Seychelles, which has fully vaccinated over 60% of its population against Covid-19, is bringing back restrictions amid a rise in cases.

The archipelago of nearly 100,000 people recorded close to 500 new cases in the three days to 1 May and has about 1,000 active cases.

A third of the active cases involved people who had had two vaccine doses, the country's news agency said.

The rest had either had a single dose or were unvaccinated.

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Obviously the government of The Seychelles is comprised of science hating, Trump analog morons and they have cooked the books to make the noble pharmaceutical manufacturers look like scam artists. The BBC should be ashamed of itself for publishing such obvious lies. Adjusted for population differential, if the USA suffered the same rate of new cases over a three day period it would come to over one and a half million cases. As an "evidence based" netizen, I reject these lies out of hand, and I think that our social media platforms should seriously consider blocking the BBC when "reluctance" to get vaccinated is the most serious problem to face our country ever.

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Team Lockdown/SpikeEmAll

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PriceRip's picture

I sat in the waiting room post vaccination. The nurse/propagandist addressed the group of some 100 vaccinees. She said that it was all right to skip the masks during Easter if everyone in your group had been vaccinated. So I could not let a learning experience go to waste so I asked her if all 100 of us were to be exposed to Covid19 after the vaccination series how many of us would be infected. She hedged by saying that the infections would not be life threatening. Quite a let down from the absolute belief that if you are vaccinated then you can't get the disease.

I think that the entire vaccine development program and operation "warp speed" are based on the premise that once you are vaccinated you are immune. It is a nice fantasy, as it's a much simpler solution than isolation and contact tracing.

Practically speaking about 10% of the vaccinated group will be infected, after the required doses and after the 14 day waiting period. Now here's the problem. Some percentage of people will not get vaccinated. It looks like the vaccination rate in the US is slowing down, and large percentage of folks in some states are anti-vaxxers. Add to that the 10% vaccinated that will contract the disease if exposed and you probably are nowhere near herd immunity. That means that the pandemic will continue but at lower infection rates.

The four base segment inserted in Sars-Cov-2 RNA is a gift that keeps on giving. It's a permanent part of the virus genetics and will live on forever, improving itself through mutation and natural selection. I'm shocked that I don't hear the call to ban GOF viral research world wide. My guess is that they would like to continue to develop more contagious and deadly viruses. Heh, given the new tools it's fun and exciting.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard .

Practically speaking about 10% of the vaccinated group will be infected, after the required doses and after the 14 day waiting period.

Why 10%? How do you know that?

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@fire with fire

You should read the science. The actual number is unknowable (if you demand absolute certainty). If you don't know how it works, it takes a bit of time to teach you how it works.

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@PriceRip

Not only do you claim to speak for "Science," you refuse to explain it.

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@fire with fire

If 1000 vaccinated people are exposed and ((10% of the vaccinated group will be infected)), then approximately 100 people of this group will be infected. That means 100 +- 10 is about 90 some percent are likely to be infected.

How you owe me an apology, Big Time!

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@PriceRip Regrettably, I did not.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

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@vtcc73

Yes I know, this happened to me about a year ago. I suspect @fire with fire is either a troll or just a run of the mill ass.

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@PriceRip

"run of the mill ass"

A really special and noteworthy scientifical one?

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@The Wizard

We need more that can speak up in these situations. Too many do not understand the situation, it is so very sad when a nurse practitioner is among that segment of the population.

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@PriceRip

We need more that can speak up in these situations. Too many do not understand the situation, it is so very sad when a nurse practitioner is among that segment of the population.

I wonder who is interested in understanding the situation of these veteran health care professionals and their experience with Covid vaccines? Social media seems more concerned that people not understand or they would not be blocking these folks from relating their own stories.

And I might be able to embed this:

Vaccine-Injured Health-Care Workers Speak Out

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@Blue Republic

isn't a big enough headache.

Social media seems more concerned that people not understand or they would not be blocking these folks from relating their own stories.

I can not speak for those not providing this access. We live in a nightmare world wherein most people are unable to understand.

Look I was called a liar as I was trying to tell a knowledgeable fellow about how I had caught the EPA ignoring a major component of radiation carried by the dust in the air we breath outdoors. Before I could finish he was way over the line with personal invectives. Sigh!

The whole issue of vaccine reactions is very complicated, any attempt to explain is fraught with pitfalls. I can do it but many words are required. And, far too many prefer to "dog pile" on a few subsidiary points while excluding salient conundrums.

I have enough trouble explaining how to take Quantum Mechanics Seriously to the non-cognoscenti.

As for brighteon.com, I have no real feel for the place, so as always, your mileage may vary.

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@PriceRip @PriceRip I'm not sure making such a statement in contradiction of what the manufacturers and public health authorities are telling us isn't professional malpractice. But then again we live in a world where personal belief fueled by internet nonsense and prodigy levels of willful ignorance is no shit fact and my gawd given right to make according to numerous constitutional amendments and the Secondary Law of Thermodynamical science wizard stuff. I mean, the Constitution does say "All men are created equal", amiright? So suck on that fake science guy!

Sigh....

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@The Wizard

in the vaccine is immortal, or will live and reproduce and survive forever in your system, please provide some authoritative citations. Thanks.

be well and have a good one.

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@The Wizard

Honestly I have no idea where you are getting that from. Everything I have read and heard about it for months now has said a 90-something % efficacy for the best vaccines, far less than that for the others, and that there would always be some cases that break through it. And that once vaccinated, the odds of getting seriously ill, hospitalized, or dead were reduced to near zero. (Note the word "near".)

Data now show that once vaccinated, the chances of getting sick from Covid-19 (symptomatic infection) in the U.S. are very, very small, and the odds of dying from it are in fact near zero. In countries using other vaccines, those numbers would different, this is to be expected.

The nurse at your vaccine site was correct, not "hedging" when she said that if a vaccinated person is exposed to SARS-CoV-2, it is not likely they will get infected, and even if they do, they will almost certainly not become seriously ill or die from it.

Why is that a problem? Should she lie? What do you think it accomplished, to try to make a room full of people feel that they got vaccinated for nothing?

SMH... man, this whole pandemic thing has really made people go crazy it seems to me. On the one hand, we have people insisting the vaccines don't work, and carried to the extreme that leads to situations like we have going on in D.C. where I heard they are keeping the mandate for masks -- outside !! -- in spite of CDC now saying that is not necessary. Science, schmience. On the other hand we have people refusing to get the vaccine because they think the virus is fake. Those people should take a look at India right now. Or because they think that because pharma companies make money from vaccines, they would rather get Covid. oy... none of this makes sense.

Logic and rationality have apparently just totally died on this subject. Get the effing vaccine and then stop living in fear. Yes you still might be exposed and you might still get a case of the sniffles from this virus, and a few of us will still croak from this instead of cancer or the flu or a heart attack. But life should go on now and all the crazy political spinning over it, well... ok I know it won't stop. I know. But there are days when I just cannot take any more of it, it's all so pointlessly counterproductive.

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Admittedly with low expectations, it was I should read the article to see if there is any more useful information.

Read it, check. Useful info, yes. What useful info? 40% of administered vaccine was Chinese with a lower expected efficacy than the 60% AstraZeneca clone from India with a somewhat higher expected efficacy. 80% of the 1000 new cases were locals and 20% foreigners. (Instant question alert: are external tourists admitted to the Islands? Maybe, don't know. If visitors are admitted, when did that begin?) Some lockdown type of mitigation is in place. 100k population, tourist/visitor population not stated, 1000 active cases 1/3 fully vaccinated, 2/3 one dose or unvaccinated, actual breakdown unknown, virus strains involved not stated, are personal protective measures (hand washing, masks, social distancing) being followed as all of the vaccine manufacturers and practically the entire worldwide medical community recommends, not stated.

Let's do the easy part, the math, to see how big a problem it is right now. There's no data to make any sort of educated guess as to what the case spike might become. So any analysis is likely to change. 100k people x .60 fully vaccinated = 60k people fully vaccinated. Number partially vaccinated is unknown. That has to be ignored for now in the analysis. 1000 new cases, 1/3 (333) fully vaccinated, no idea how many of the 667 are partially vaccinated. Since 80% are locals it is reasonable to assume that somewhere between 500 and 560 are at least partially protected. That means we have to consider both the population of fully vaccinated and the possible population that is partially vaccinated. We have to leave out the foreigners because we have no way of guessing how many might be vaccinated in some way. It's possible vaccination is a condition of entry but we don't know. We'll end up with an educated guess as to how poorly vaccination and partial vaccination is working.

The absolute worst case is that all 800 of the locals were vaccinated in some way. So 800 cases out of 60,000 fully vaccinated. 800/60k = .013333 or 1.333% Any additional analysis is moot. There is a supposed 1.333% "failure" rate of the vaccines. That's for a vaccine with a 79-86% efficacy rate that was used on 60% of the population. While it's too soon to say for sure, this is actually an early evidence of a vaccination program operating well within an expected range. There's little doubt the outbreak will become worse and the "failure" rate is most likely to increase.

The most interesting part to me is how the final breakdown of mild and severe infections to deaths will play out. Remember that the claims for the vaccines is that they greatly reduce the death and serious infection rates. There is no claim that all infections are prevented. There are plenty of other fascinating questions that come to mind thinking through this situation. We only have to be capable of thinking well enough to form the questions rather than having an entrenched position and looking for "evidence" we're right.

What does this all mean to you? Huge problem that clearly shows that all of the lockdowns, protective measure, and vaccination efforts are an abject failure in the Seychelles? Does it really say what you think it says? That the lockdowns and violations of our freedumbs have been a cooked up nothing burger intended to fuck up our lives and control us? Or simply that those who beg us to get vaccinated have some nefarious plot to do....what?

If it does say that to an ""evidenced based" netizen" then said citizen might want to rethink that label.

What the above essay appears to show is someone who might just be so overly invested in being right that he/she grabs at any "evidence" for their position without the slightest critical thought or analysis. It could also be that said netizen is not capable of the necessary critical thinking or analysis. Or something else, I have no idea.

[Edited for clarity]

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@vtcc73

Very well said, and much appreciated. Especially on doing the math, for those of us who are math-challenged. I read the linked article too, and saw that part about which vaccines were being used, and that was enough to tell me this was another attempt to obfuscate, not addresses anything real. The key here is the point that there is no such thing as "The Vaccine" -- there are a number of vaccines, and they are different in terms of efficacy, and of course, as you point out, many other factors to consider as well. If one is interested in understanding the reality of what is going on, that is.

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enhydra lutris's picture

you cite,

By mid-April about 60% of the vaccine doses administered in the country were Sinopharm, with the rest Indian-made AstraZeneca vaccine doses, Bloomberg reported.

Sinopharm has a reported efficacy of 79 to 86 percent depending upon the source of the information. If you use the 79% number, which comes from China, where Sinopharm is made, you really should expect a minimum or 21% of the vaccinated populatio to get Covid-19 all the same. Astra-zeneca turns out to be around 79% as well.

be well and have a good one

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studentofearth's picture

Using preassumed bias regarding vaccines to explain the unexpected data may lead to wrong conclusion. Need more time and similar happenings to start making worthwhile assumptions, even more to present as fact.

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BBC should have been blocked from all networks a long, long time ago.

Their lies about China have jeopardized life on earth.

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About the vaccines. Ad hominems directed at anti-vaxxers are too easy. Here is some science to ponder: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/components-of-mrna-technology-co...

Investigators who once assumed that the polymer was largely “inert” are now questioning its biocompatibility and warning about PEGylated particles’ promotion of tumor growth and adverse immune responses that include “probably underdiagnosed” life-threatening anaphylaxis (also called hypersensitivity).

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@Battle of Blair Mountain hi, thank you for that link I think? What's a little injected polymer between friends, eh? I worked in a lens factory when California still had factories, got splashed by liquid CR-39 on my bare skin frequently. We called the blisters "monomer rash" which did not go away until the skin sloughed off. No topical could sooth it once it got in my pores. gnarly

mRNA vaccines undergoing Covid-19 clinical trials, including the Moderna vaccine, rely on a nanoparticle-based “carrier system” containing a synthetic chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG).

I don't think there's an adverse reaction to pHarma I haven't met, so that is one reason for Miss Hesitation to show up inside my head with her stop energy. And unfortunately I was paying attention to Pfizer when they were pushing other drugs in a bigly way... every month there'd be a new sample in my shrink's cabinet. Medicare pushers. My guts have not recovered from all the past pHarma junk prescribed, and has anyone seen my mind? NOPE ~shrug~ oh well, I need to be careful.

Here is Pfizer's rap sheet: https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer

Good luck, and again THANKS to all the people who did take the new vaccines, experts agree most people are fine. Wine cave country is back to burning the world at 125%. Woo hoo! The HWY 101 Narrows project is finished, and now the jam of cars goes "Three Lanes All The Way" from SF to Santa Rosa. The Air Quality Board is already bleating "Spare the Air" this week. LOL omg duh.

Peace and Love

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@Battle of Blair Mountain

law and regulations disclosed that any of the components in its formulation, singly or in combination, could possibly lead to adverse reactions in its clinical trials. Quasi-boilerplate, fwiw. Now. Did any such events happen?

PEG isn't good for you, and if you drain your anti-freeze into a bucket and your pet drinks it, it will die. However, exactly what this “PEGylation” of lipid nanoparticles entails, especially as to amount of PEG and final form/formulation isn't, imo, disclosed or specified by the article, which seems to have the same problems with LNPs as it does with PEG, which, to me, is very questionable. It would be nice if there was something quantifiable in the article, because, lacking any quantifiers, it is really non-informative.

be well and have a good one

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It does work to winterize water systems in freezing boats tho.
Fortunately our bodies do not need to remain unfrozen yet.
There may come a time?

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