@snoopydawg

This is a perfect example of how the media is ignoring and usually ignores or changes the narrative as they help manufacture consent for whatever the power elite wants us to believe.

Why didn't the guy who was shot at have the right to confront the cop that did the deed?

Time after time we have watched as cops have assaulted anyone that they damn well wanted without any consequences or just outright murdered them as we have helplessly watched them do it because we know that if we interfere then we too will be assaulted, arrested and found guilty because that is how the laws are made up.

How many of the people that watched Floyd being murdered wanted at the time to intervene, but were too scared to do so? How many of them are now agonizing over their decision not to? I hope they can find peace with that because if they had who knows what would have happened to them? How many of us are asking what we would have done if we watched Chauvin and his fellow cops slowly murder Floyd in front of us? Or wonder what we would have done in any of the other countless assaults and murders? And why the hell aren't millions of cops around the country right now asking what they could have done to stop the countless criminal cops from murdering people just because their badge and the laws behind them have given them the right to do so? Look at how nonchalance Chauvin looked while he was slowly first torturing and then murdering George Floyd to death. His had his fucking hands in his pockets while he was doing that. And he did it even knowing that he was being filmed. Why did he think he would get away with it? Because he has seen countless other cops get away with it. Watch the video posted in the body that shows numerous times cops killing blacks. Most of them have gotten away with it.

Either the attorneys don't charge them or the grand jury will dismiss the case or if it ever gets to trial the jury will find them not guilty. Why? Cops are keeping us safe and they have the hardest job in the country. Not really, but that is what too many of our fellow citizens believe.

Sorry,, I know I am ranting. Again. But for now it's all I can do. All most of can do. I just hope that the protests don't fade away again like they have after the many other times blacks have come out and said that this is unacceptable. Looks like this time more people here and around the globe are also saying that too. Now is the time and we need to keep it going until there are real reforms. Not the bogus ones that happened during the Empty Suit's presidency. Did y'all read what he threw up at the country? Vomit!

Caitlyn is fond of saying, "Those who set the narrative...." sorry I have forgotten the rest right now but I will find it. But that is what we are seeing over and over isn't it?

Here are some of the people who were arrested over the weekend in SLC, UT.

Way more white people than black who are being blamed for the looting and the violence and lots of women too. I thought that was interesting. This is from this article on an investigation into outside agitators.

“I honestly, honestly, honestly believe that there were people from out of state that came in here to instigate some of this violence, but we will follow through with that,” said Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown.

BTW Saagar is pissing me off big time because he too is just focusing on the LOOTING and not so much on why people are in the streets which is because of not only the murder of Floyd, but for all the other murders that went unpunished. Saagar, people have had enough! Krystal too has finally had enough of his viewpoint and I thank her for doing it. IT was around the 3:45 spot.

Ugghhh no the military should not be used for police actions to stop unlawful conduct because we have laws against that. But in this day and age laws be damned right Saagar?
YOU ARE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION!! Damn right, Krystal.

This is why the media is focusing on the looting and outside agitators instead of the police brutality.

The authoritarian state is desperate to control the narrative. They know that the only thing they have left is the facade they have perpetuated that you live in a democracy. These protests will break that illusion...https://t.co/t9vDbbG4wm

— Dr. 99 MD, MS BME (@DrRefugee) May 30, 2020

All the mayors starting to accuse “outside agitators” at about the same time makes me wonder if FBI is coordinating response nationally and giving them talking points (this happened with Occupy Wall Street and earlier BLM protests so it wouldn’t be surprising).

— Emma Caterine (@EmmaCaterineDSA) June 1, 2020

- The ruling-class calls the revolution "riots" hoping they can stop the revolution before we all start calling it a revolution.

- We heard the same story during the Ferguson demonstrations. Why should anyone trust someone who protects murders?

- Is it "outside agitators" firing tear gas and marker rounds on identified street medics trying to help any injured, including cops? Where's the outcry for this from the powerful?

- It was the cops Now I get it The outside agitators are actually the cops themselves

The real looting of America is being done by the government and corporations and banks and whomever else can get away with it.

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@The Wizard

The second positive point is that business as usual has been destroyed.

Lots of businesses have been destroyed by the lack of government bailouts after the shutdown and this is going to just add to the misery. I think protests would have broken out in the near future anyway and maybe the response from cops is to push through draconian laws to derail them from happening? Yeah I hate being this cynical, but the PTB are always planning things out far in advance and just waiting for a trigger. But things are not going back to normal for a long time until we start getting our needs met.

I actively protested the Vietnam war and watched protests turn violent. It always happens like this. Motivated protesters show up to speak their minds through protest. They are for the greatest part not wanting violence and are hard on protesters who throw rocks. Then the cops show up. They march on the peaceful protesters singing some patriotic song. They marched in a tight rectangle. This looks like medieval war making, for a good reason. As soon as they physically engage with the protesters they start swinging clubs, to the head, kidneys and legs. The only alternative is to get away. They will chase you, drag you to the ground and club you. The local hospitals were filling up with clubbed protesters. I saw a guy on a bike on a cross street. They chased him down, pulled him to the ground and thoroughly clubbed him about kidneys. This is the point when all hell breaks loose. Local young tough males show up looking for a good and violent time. They break windows, set fires to banks, overturn cop cars, and throw bricks. And yes, I was clubbed about the head. I saw my picture in the Boston Globe getting clubbed in the early edition, but it then soon disappeared in the later edition.

Some of the cops showed support for the protesters as we marched peacefully along the street previous to the violence. They made it clear that they supported our protest. During the violence it was all out war.

There is a plus and negative side to all of this. The plus is that you make your protest clear and people hear it on the news. Today it's clear that police racial violence is unacceptable. The second positive point is that business as usual has been destroyed. This has enormous impact on citizens as a whole. It even deeply affected Nixon as he went out on the street to talk to the protesters in DC.
It's a social psychological impact. People's sense of society has been changed for ever. The niceness of calm and process is gone. But that's the point, that wasn't working as it was.

One of the negative sides is that this polarizes society. Those on the right want the protesters rounded up and put away. They want their social calm back. Trump and the Republican party will promise restoration of law and order. Those who feel the anger will side with the protest, but not with the violence, understanding that this is an unfortunate by-product of protest when you live in a country with Cops who are addicted to violence as a reaction to their authority being challenged, well in some cases more of an excuse to do what they really want to do.

People watch the violence on their TVs and react strongly. The challenge for the country is to find a way to resolve legitimate grievances, and at the same time restore order. This is, in fact, impossible given the people and political climate in the US today. Trying to exploit this from either side is tricky business, but my guess is that Trump will go to the strong law and order side, claiming that the many issues of the protesters have already been solved by himself or are false. On the other hand, this is a process of America feeling her way as to who she really is and where she wants to go, and that's an enormous problem.

Protest to the war in Vietnam produced drastic social changes in the US and we eventually got out of an illegal, immoral, brutal war. Today we are also at war, but it's at war with our own country and what we are as a nation and a society. These are the same unsolved problems from the days of war protest. We understood those problems but could not stay motivated to protest once we were out of Vietnam. Since these issues themselves are the cause of protest, maybe this time will be different. It's important that these protests become ingrained in our society and politicians need to address them if they want to remain relevant. It's time to go listen to some of Bob Dylan's old protest songs from the 60s.

@fire with fire

I’m seeing tweets showing that white men are patrolling the streets to stop the violence or looting without any police presence at all.

A black family called the cops to arrest some looters and they handcuffed the black family instead and wouldn’t listen to the bystanders who were telling them that they owned the store.

Seeing lots of exactly of 2 America’s tonight. And democrats have been talking to D mayors on how to break up the protests. Shades of OWS.

I live in Los Angeles, about 200 feet or so from Melrose Avenue in the Fairfax District and the fun and frolic thundered from 2pm Saturday until about 2am the following morning. I heard the explosions from the various "less than lethal" weaponry and saw the weird wave of tiny white explosions on the pavement that sounded like a July 4 string of fire crackers going off.

I also saw looters running down the middle of the street away from Melrose at 12:30 am with their arms full of stuff. I few minutes later I saw a car parallel park across the street from where I live. It banged into the car parked behind. Four guys got out and made a bee line to Melrose where now a significant number of stores are boarded up. It is impossible to say as of Monday whether those are repairs or defensive efforts.

As of today, an incredible number of businesses are boarded up, far more today than Sunday. The curfew for tonight was just announced.

All that said, and certainly not in opposition to this thread, I do have to hand it to the Los Angeles Police Department and the LA Country Sheriffs based in West Hollywood. Tomorrow they might slaughter a thousand people, but as of now, they have avoided serious confrontation. Yeah, they are popping their rubber bullet caps and chunking tear gas -- but many of those cannisters get tossed back at them. No war, yet. Compared to what we expected and got from the pigs in the late 60s and 70s, their performance has been not only patient and tolerant --- but actually wise.

I do not expect the wisdom to last. Trump is putting the political pressure on to local government officials to bring the hammer down, and even if Trump were to keep his mouth shut by some miracle, the hammer is going to come down if this shit does not ease up.

I suppose that the usual suspects will say that this has nothing to do with the lock down. Oh, no. It is all about the very legitimate cause of Black Lives Matter. Hell, I have no doubt that the primary motivation for every person all over the country in the demonstrations this week was to throw down and say Fuck This Shit when yet another pig murders a black person while his pig buddy stands by and watches.

My point is that people are far more ready to say Fuck This Shit after 10 weeks of house arrest and unemployment for half of the people in Los Angeles County. The number of demonstrators is still relatively small, but I was overwhelmed with admiration for the determination of so many of them who were still blocking the streets eight hours into the action.

There are three discrete and all but irrelevant to each other motivations at work. This starts with people who want to make the slogan real -- black lives matter. They are not following the example of King and Gandhi, but the cops have up to now overlooked the illegality of blocking the street and not filled up the jails. Instead they try to contain the disruption and out last the demonstrators.

At this point the News Narrative focuses on the second group, The Bad Apples, the Few Idiots who do shit like set fire to police cars. That is a more serious infraction of the law than stopping traffic, but it makes for great TV. From vast experience at organizing demonstrations, I offer this personal testimony -- anybody who sets fire to a car has another agenda than just "protest." Don't get me wrong, I am not moralizing here and at various times in my life, I might have been the guy torching the pigmobiles.

Thus the news correctly distinguishes between passive resistance and active resistance, but falsely aims the blame game at the active resisters. Since the message of both active and passive resisters is the same, the effect of the condemnation of the fire bugs is to dismiss the entire affair as a tragic irony. As people in power so frequently say to you when they tell you why you are not going to get what you are complaining about, "You just went about it the wrong way."

That little rule about how you have to go about things the right way, of course, is how the status quo always maintains its stranglehold on power.

I do not see any coherent revolutionary theory in action here. I see people saying Fuck This Shit. There is no point trying to rationalize or moralize about "tactics." People are sincerely pissed off and getting more so.

Which brings us to Group Number Three, the looters. Get mad at them if you want. The cops will start shooting them at some point, and toss them into incarceration until the jails fill and then some other solution will be found.

Looters are in fact thieves. And it is romantic nonsense to idealize looting as anything but a crime. It is the crime itself that should garner your interest -- we can see people on TV in real time showing you what they think of the social order: Fuck This Shit.

People seem to be wondering about how this is going to affect elections. Sorry. As always, civil unrest plays to the electoral advantage of authoritarians. Who cares who wins when you have to board up your storefront as a defensive measure going on today all over Los Angeles?

A friend of mine from Chicago says that some rambunctious character let the animals out of the zoo. Perfect metaphor for the USA during the time of universal contempt for our government. Republicans and Democrats have been flaming each other as illegitimate usurpers of the constitution for four years straight.

They are both right of course, and the looters have figured that out.

I have been disgusted and frustrated and full of contempt for the Alone Together branding of The Virus. All cheerful and all together, we are going to get through this thing. Earp, slop, get the mop. I see this saccharine bullshit working perfectly with the MSM watching folks, an insular audience of no more than 20 million people. But I could not believe that it accurately depicted how the actual human beings sitting at home, waiting for life to resume, really felt about all this. These demonstrations of course do not prove that a majority is ready for revolt.

But some are already in revolt.