My Banishment Was Commuted to a Time-Out
I just posted a "welcome back" satirical piece of at Kos now that I've been reinstated. Thanks to any who used whatever influence they might still have to try and make that happen. Though it was probably more the influence of 31,174 shares and clicks.
Not that anyone is ever influenced by money, I mean I'm not trying to artfully smear anybody.
Going to start a series that I will post FIRST over here and then maybe over there called "Democratic Dilemmas 2016". On a number of issues, we're caught between a rock and a hard place, particularly so if we have Trump v Clinton at the top of the ticket. But regardless of who wins the primaries, we have a lot of major Senate and House elections that will face these same dilemmas and it's time to think about how to address them.
If you can still stomach the orange site, would appreciate any tips, recs an warm comments. Or even mean comments. Cause unlike some people I never try to hide or flag or ban people who disagree with me. Even when their tone could use some adjusting.
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Took them long enough
Folks are a bit tetchy over there, I assume.
Looking forward to seeing your work here since I'm still limiting my time over there, plus not tipping/reccing anything during my self-imposed "time out". But you're right -- we've got House and Senate races to focus on as well regardless of who is at the top of the ballot.
Hillary would do a lot of downballot damage
A lot of people would probably write the whole thing off.
I don't think so.
HRC, as the voice of the "establishment" won't do much harm at the top of the ticket, but she definitely won't do anything to motivate the fence-sitters to come out in the General. She will get all of the votes against the Repugnican running then (probably Trump, ugh! it pains me to type that), but not a lot FOR her.
"Socialism means making market systems and capitalist systems work to enrich ALL of us, instead of just the few; it is collective ownership, not state ownership, of resources. It doesn't mean that the government owns everything." --OllieGarkey
The Hillary haters will be out en force
They'll vote down ticket AGAINST Democrats.
I disagree
Unless you mean exclusively right wingers. Then, yes I believe Hillary at the top will drive turnout against her.
But a lot of us who could be grouped as Hillary haters (I dislike her deeply, intensely) are left wing and we recognize that we need allies in congress. To help Bernie with his agenda, or to stand for us until 2018, 2020.
Bernie people that show up to vote will vote down ballot dem. With few exceptions.
It's the ones that won't show up if Bernies not on the ballot that are the problem.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
I agree Cali Scribe. It feels like
The Twilight Zone over there. I think a lot of the feeling is do to the fact that I was right there in the middle of it. I had nothing but bad feelings, and I started arguing with pod people! Oh my fucking god!
C99% is restoring my faith in humanity. Not an easy chore these days.
I've been begging people to just give me in a nudge in the right direction. I am having some physical trouble, but I'm not exceedingly stupid. I can be here, in front of my computer 10 hours a day, I've always been a great team player. I'm bored out of my skull.
(((((please help me!)))))
Do you think I should maybe delve into a few places to see if we can find some like minded people?
I really don't want to do polls here. I don't want other people to post them here. I am not an exception.
Sorry for going on about it. What have you been thinking?
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
I got banned from DK the same day as OPAL
Not sure what I said that tipped the scale, since I've been very pro-Bernie all along and frequently speak the truth about Hillary. heh
Hmm. Then I have a Question:
A. If stocks rise, but bonds fall, do we still need to take our shoes off in an airport?
B. When grilling a marinated, salt and pepper encrusted, leg of lamb, does one have a single malt, or, a fine blended with one cube?
C. Why do ducks look a lot like Boeing 737s?
D. Why does quicksand cause things to sink R E A L L Y s l o w l y ?
I would go to TOP
but it has gotten so awful that I can barely stand it.
It's really good to do some detox time
but honestly, after you've done that, you never want to go back except when someone sends you a link here and there.
I'm done with DailyKos
It's a big Internet. My time is limited.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Me, too.
I thought it was going to be hard, since I was a daily visitor since 2004. And I'm an old dog; hard to learn new tricks.
But, no. It hasn't been hard at all. All of a sudden, DailyKos has become like RedState to me. I won't go to either place. Why would I?
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
I thought it would be hard, too
But actually, it was just a relief. I didn't realize how much it was making me miserable until I left. (Kind of like that abusive spouse or friend or what have you.)
I have had not the slightest desire to return. It is, indeed, a big Internet.
That's exactly it
It is a relief. But you have to reach that "point" I guess. When I think of how much time and emotional energy I wasted there I am so angry at myself.
This is a good thing Greywolfe359!
When you are allowed back in, you should use your Daily Kos privileges for the greater good of caucus99percent!
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Already trying to
The links to the original story actually take people HERE instead of to the original post THERE.
Only go there to support LD's BNR
Think it's really best to let the traffic slow down TOP, and see what happens.
Too much good to be done to waste time commenting there.
Support LD's BNR.
that's it for me.
TOP
I do pretty much the same thing. I go over there for the BNR. I'll scan the DTOP diaries real fast. If there's no one doing a decent one, I leave. It's a shame about Markos. Another YUPPIE type who gets the mean green, and shows their Repukelican colors.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Hi Cassiodorus,
With deep respect, I disagree.
It just seems to be against what we are trying to do here.
I already worry about who could tag along with so many people. People with ill intentions, maybe.
I am one of those people who came over and never left.
If I am wrong, I apologize, as I'm not sure how to find my replies but will do my best
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
Congrats! I'll pop over and
Congrats! I'll pop over and rec whenever you get them up. Still trying to get my subscription money back though...
Aside: I didn't rec this diary btw as i'm trying to stay away from recommending Kos-specific diaries. I recommend that others do as well. I'd like the Rec list here to start reflecting the substantive stories we write.
The people here can't cut the umbilical cord
They'll always be going back for acceptance.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Time.
It's been two weeks for most here. When this site began, folks here spent a month decompressing and separating themselves from TOP, and those were the folks who left because they WANTED to, not because they were forced to.
The obsession with TOP is something we'll need to weather a little longer, but as new members begin to sense the substance they can add here, with strong diaries on issues instead of the gag reflex from kos's latest repetitive take on the presidential race, this site will resume its rise as TOP declines. Then the umbilical cord will begin here, and gradually people will wonder why they ever thought it was over there.
You nailed it, dance you monster!
I go there less and less - maybe a couple times a day. We're decompressing and will soon not see that orange speck in the rear view mirror.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I'm a little ahead of the curve...
Because I left in December.
I'm past the Ben and Jerry's and have moved on to the pot and laughing about the idiot phase.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
This website can be what TOP should have been
Instead of Pravda for the Democratic establishment.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I'm sorry, the_poorly_educated,
I feel bad that you have seen that.
I think it will cease soon, after everyone chooses.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
I haven't looked back
Registered user at DKos since 2006. I deleted my bookmarks and haven't gone back in 2 weeks. IMHO it would be a waste of time, people kept telling me Bernie supporters not wanted there.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
umm...no.
i left for good prior to the grand edict & haven't been back since.
i have no desire to wallow in the misery that is markos' cesspool ever again.
Government overreach vs Water overreach aka flooding
that is the title of a fun little story from my hometown my parents told me some 30 years ago.
A perfect illustration of the Tea Party mind, way before there was a Tea Party.
I wrote this up on purpose as a non-TOP related story because I wanted to contribute something to this site, then cross-posted a shorter version at TOP with a link to c99.
Can I perhaps get a bit more love :-;??? or comments, good, bad or ugly?
http://caucus99percent.com/content/government-overreach-vs-water-overrea...
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/23/1505451/-Government-overreach-...
The title is obviously not drawing eyeballs, but at least I got 3 likes here vs 0 likes (zero :-(() at TOP.
Also, I got a flag for this at TOP! since the great innovation of anonymous flagging, you can't tell anymore who did this to you.
But apparently others can still find out and tell me (or am I wrong about this? anyone know?).
Thanks,
cminus
Gandalf and Saruman unite, demand to bring back Greywolfe359!
I suspect
your ban was lifted because it made Kos look like an authoritarian humorless individual - not good for business.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Could be
But I also rode this issue really hard on a couple help desk threads where I made a huge stink out of the fact that Greywolfe was banned while a follow-up LOTRs parody that compared Bernie to Hitler and ISIS didn't get its author so much as a TO. I'm sure the hits were one thing (and daily traffic numbers have been WAY down), but it also - with a little help - really exposed the level of hypocrisy going on by proving that rules were not being enforced equally.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Yeah but that one wasn't shared 30k times
They wanted to make an example of a Bernie supporter in particular and of a diary that so many people had read, recommended and shared on the other. Sad they picked a diary that didn't even mention Hillary by name and yet alone one that said we needed to support the stand in for her.
Right!
Though when Kos dropped the ban hammer (11am?) he would have never guessed it would have gone viral the way it did. He can be dense that way.
But still an example must be set! When someone countered my claim that 140 people had been banned in the first 5 days after 3/15 by saying "only a handful of real posters had been banned" I commented that a "ruler only has to shoot a couple of the more visible protesters to send a message to the rest" I was flagged for "violent imagery."
I have no idea how people with such thin skins expect to survive the general election.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Simply Reporting Stuff Trump Says
Would seem bannable.
<violent>Floggings will continue...</violent>
Until morale improves at DKos!
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Glad you are supporting JtC and all of his work.
I hate tweeting or fb'ng anything from dkos and giving Kos free promotion. If it is here first, I can still share it around social media.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I thought that's what JtC wanted?
I'm surprised he's allowing the discussion of DK and the recs of diaries here being he was so against doing the same thing for Twitter.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
I'm noticing a trend with your comments in this essay.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
??? I'm pretty sure that what JtC wants most
is not to be allowing or disallowing anything at all. I think that's sort of the point.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
This might be helpful, the_poorly-educated--
I'll call you tpe, in the future, if that's okay.
It's an excerpt from, and a link to one of Joe's recent policy/meta memos which speak for Admin.
Hope that's helpful.
(Music City) Mollie, C99P & Daily Kos
elinkarlsson@WordPress
"The obstacle is the path."--Zen Proverb
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
WOW!!!
31,174 shares
THAT is damn impressive! Congratulations on that!
Please help the Resilience Resource Library grow by adding your links.
First Nations News
Good deal.
I really do have very mixed emotions about TOP. I came there 11 years ago, not long after the 2004 election. My user ID # was in the 39,000s. I was looking for some like-minded voices and I found them there. Made it through the 2008 POTUS primaries. I supported Edwards (great message, totally compromised messenger) then I went over to BHO. In some ways, in early 2005, TOP saved my political sanity. But that was then.
I still log on. Mostly to support LD, his BNR and all other pro-Sanders diaries. I have made over 11,000 posts on TOP, but I find myself making fewer and fewer as we get past the Kos decree of a fortnight ago. Some kos users have given up for good. Some had no choice in the matter. My approach to becoming a regular again will be much like Hillary getting my vote if she's the Dem nominee: it must be earned.
Even if TOP gets back on what I consider to be a level playing field and I start back again as a regular or even semi-regular, I will never totally trust Kos or his motives. Much like getting back together with a cheating spouse, it can be done and successfully so. But there is always that element of doubt, no matter how small.
Then again, it could remain as an echo chamber for the remainder of its days. Time will tell.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Glad you will be at both places.
I saw your post and recommended it.
A wise decision
by the Great and Powerful Kos. It's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that a very high percentage of the best content over there is provided by Bernie supporters. Banishing people who clearly drive traffic to the site is truly a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
That said, though I completely respect all those who choose to continue participating in that community, I will not be among them. Whatever lip service Kos may pay to progressive ideals, it's very plain from his writings and edicts that when push comes to shove, he's all about defending and perpetuating the status quo. I would much rather give my clicks, my input and my energy to online communities whose operators actually support my beliefs, as opposed to someone who is actively trying to subvert them.
inactive account
maybe i can joined the 'banned' club
will this do it ya think?
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
He rarely bans when you attack him directly.
His skin is thick that way.
His minions will ban you much more quickly for any apostasy, real or perceived.
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
LOL, I just went over there to read you diary
and was so sickened by the rec list titles I closed the page immediately. I guess I'm over my addiction. I don't know why you want to publish there so badly. And offering apologies? Why? You didn't do anything wrong. They don't deserve your apologies or your diaries and, imho, you shouldn't be giving them to Kos and the Hillbot crew.
The apology was largely snark...
If you read the entire diary, I apologize for being wrong when I claimed Gandalf had no chance and no little bird was going to come save him.
Cause you know. Birdie Sanders.
Your "apology" got me. I read the headline over there
and I was all oh fuckity fuck I wish he hadn't done that. I'm not clicking that. Then I saw it here and actually read it...
Nothing could be better designed to gather TOP eyeballs. Even in better days, TOP has always been a haven for apology and abasement junkies.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
Man, you're a very good writer and satirist!
I'm very impressed with your work and your activism and look forward to reading more of your posts.
www.RayPensador.com
When you boil it all down, the number one step you can take to get out from under the fascist boot of the oligarchy is to stop subjecting yourself to the the U.S. corporate news media. It is a powerful psyops weapon.
Thanks...that is always nice to hear
and actually means a lot.
I saw that!
Welcome back!
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck
I saw it with delight
and was SO reminded of this image, which I love -
Bernie's politics already were, but the smiling and laughing images we are starting to see are so reminiscent of FDR.
Love it! It lacks only an FDR image.
Twain Disciple