SuperTuesday Essay 1: Biden Wins Virginia, North Carolina, and Alabama; Sanders Wins Vermont
Submitted by apenultimate on Tue, 03/03/2020 - 6:51pm
I'll be updating regularly here:
A mild disaster for Sanders . . .
Winners:
Biden: Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Minnesota.
Sanders: Vermont, Colorado, Utah
Bloomberg: American Samoa
Still in play: Maine (trending Biden), California (Sanders most likely), Texas (trending Sanders but Biden is closing up).
If Sanders can win big in California and pull out a Texas win, that'll make it a mild disaster (Sanders was not expected to win Texas). If he loses Texas, it's a much larger disaster.
Comments
They are stealing the election
just like last time.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Looking like some BS happened.
Biden leading in MA? Looks like Boston is redefining vote counting. So I believe the Sander's campaign that legit polls indicated they were in the running for the vote of POC. Does not seem that way--in fact the exact opposite (just like with Hillary). Where ever there are cities dominated by democratic machines, it seems to me Biden is winning big. The establishment and their lackies came out big from what I reading so far.
@Steven D Yes, this is the time of
Yes, this is the time of an election year when I ask what kind of voting machines are in each election.
In (my part of) Virginia it's optical scanners
There were too many complaints about the electronic voting machines, so they switched to paper ballots...which a machine reads and counts.
I'm not sure that isn't just candy-coated election fraud.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
That should be a question we ask every year
And fight to have fixed every day.
So let's not do it next time.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
I'd be glad to not do it next time,
, but I'm not the person that decides that.
No one here is.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
But together
, together, we have the numbers to build a counter-force -- a different party for the "little people" -- to challenge and conquer the sold-out Dem party. None of us can do it alone. Just like Bernie says, "Not Me, Us."
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Well, he’s Obama’s understudy.
What does it matter that he can no longer string together coherent sentences or recall well known people’s names. Reagan was in the same boat and ended up a Republican icon.
It’s too early to start drinking myself into a stupor.
“What the herd hates most is the one who thinks differently; it is not so much the opinion itself, but the audacity of wanting to think for themselves, something that they do not know how to do.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Never too early!
That's my opinion.
Good news for John McCain
Barfff...
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Everybody enjoy their evening.
I will be without watching what's happening.
The results will be more dicernible in the morning.
Be calm. Be cool.
Enjoy your evening.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Put my mark next to Bernard Sanders
here in Minnesota. Mrs. Bollox almost did the same, after the "Democratic" shenanigans with regard to Sanders over the last 48 hours.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
0% results
But the hell with it. Go joe!
Long lines everywhere poor democrats are voting and lots of people are just giving up. Mission accomplished assholes! But go ahead and destroy the party. We'll help you.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
This doesn't look good
Bernie may win the day, but he's going to dramatically underperform the polls.
I could be wrong
It's still only 1% counted, but Bernie has the early lead in Texas.
What else needs to be said?
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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Blarg.
No one: ...
Not a single soul: ...
DNC: What if we pick Joe Biden
This shit is bananas.
Millenials outnumber Boomers by
twenty-one million! All are now of voting age; maybe they should try it when there's actually a choice on the ballot. The GG and Silents (key Reagan Revolution demo) remain problematical. Gen X - the pampered kids of Boomers will be to Millenials what Silents were to Boomers.
The thing is that 21% of the 17-29 age bracket will continue to vote in every election and they'll grow with each election cycle until they're 65 and those in their age bracket will be voting 71% for the future Biden clone.
They're voting.
It's just that nobody's counting their votes.
I realized our elections were rigged in 1968.
Fucking shit.
They shouldn't even be allowed to call it before at least 75% of precincts are reporting.
If they do shove Biden down our throats I want to personally go throw a brick through the window of the nearest DNC/DFL office. Or a molotov. Fuck this shit.
This shit is bananas.
well they *won't* call it until they have 75% in
if it's a Bernie state. "Too early to call" they'll say.
L.A. being stolen
https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1234877292339322880
Latino districts having problems:
https://twitter.com/Fiorella_im/status/1234716215106396160
Texas voter suppression tactics:
https://twitter.com/alexnovak123/status/1234994766225399808
In Virginia, Republicans are gleefully trying to get Biden nominated.
Okay then
Let's watch ByeDone win Massachusetts where Bernie has been leading forever. And why not? It's not going to matter how well Bernie does because this play has been written in advance. Caitlin linked to an article on a person who heard ByeDone has been picked and Warren is his VP.
Remember Hillary's snide comment a few months ago when she said she knew who was going to win?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
The DNC is outperforming it’s projections.....
“What the herd hates most is the one who thinks differently; it is not so much the opinion itself, but the audacity of wanting to think for themselves, something that they do not know how to do.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Democrats have allowed this for decades
Why do people need to wait hours to vote in this country?
You know why don't you? I'm really having to censor myself tonight because I'm beyond pissed off at how far they will go to keep themselves in power regardless of how many of us die.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Here, I'll get it for you. Fucking dirty rotten scumbag cheating
fucking low life monkey shit maggot assholes.
Well said!
Thanks. This sums up my thoughts exactly.
I'm not buying the results tonight when just a few days ago they said something entirely different. No polls change that much in just a few days or because certain people dropped out and joined ByeDone.
But if people actually did vote for him then good luck going forward and dealing with Trump for another 4 years. ByeDone would have changed nothing except he would have put the establishment mask back on. We'd still watch as those that the PTB think are expendable die. We'd see our rights stripped from us and every other horrible thing done to us.
Good lord my sigline is spot on tonight.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I don't buy that the polls were so wrong or changed that much
so rapidly. It's not credible. What I think is more likely is that SC and the subsequent phony media hype, plus the endorsements, gave the DNC cover to cheat like hell without raising as much suspicion.
Maybe
But as others have mentioned here Biden wasn't even going through the hoops in many Super Tuesday states so how or why did he get so many votes? The democrats ruined any chance of people not thinking they rigged things when they effed up Iowa.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
It's mind numbing to consider. But maybe they are so sure that
there won't be any price to pay for cheating that they don't care even if people strongly suspect it.
Biden's polling numbers
throughout 2019 were high. For the most part, beating Sanders. Biden's numbers never computed for me, but only began dropping in the month or two before IA. However, his declines were more pronounced in IA and NH than in other states.
I never understood Biden's high poll numbers as he was offering nothing, but guess MyBoos was good enough for HRC voters that weren't part of her 'gotta have a woman' voters.
Biden was winning even before he entered the race
Sorry I didn't buy it then nor do I buy it today. We've seen how one article after another said democrats are going to stop Bernie. Even Obama was said to be stepping in if it looks like Bernie would. Well he stepped in didn't he? Hard to know what's true, but apparently Pete didn't want to fold his campaign. We knew all along that democrats weren't going to let Bernie win. I'm just surprised that I'm surprised by it. Will anyone look to see if everything was on the up and up?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
You're overlooking the fact that
name recognition counts for a lot in political polling and most voters don't pay much attention until very late in campaigns. Obama continues to get high ratings with the public when at best he was a mediocre president. So, Democratic voters don't bother evaluating Obama; they just continue to like the guy, and Obama likes Biden which makes Biden good enough when they aren't grabbed by any of the others on offer.
They have been so thoroughly propagandized by both parties over the past fifty years that they haven't a clue that the US economy doesn't work for half the people and endless wars should never be the norm.
Also -- I have no understanding as to why
Mayo Pete rode so high in IA and NH. With 30% of CA precincts reporting, he's getting 9.8% of the CA vote, and it's over 12% in SF.
check this out:
How did this go nearly unmentioned last fall? Biden got to skate with lies as to his record and John Kerry lying in support of Biden's lies. Sanders can't do everything all on his own, and there was nobody else on those debate stages that could call Biden out on this. Only two people on those stages were in Congress during that time: Biden and Bernie. One was all in on the war and the other totally opposed it. Bloomberg actively supported it. And Klob and Liz either are in fully support for more war or go along with more war.
OTOH -- perhaps the solid majority of Democratic voters support more wars; they just aren't honest enough to admit it.
what the Vet says and shouts out is what
(added a link to Beau Biden's wiki page. Read it carefully and you might understand my last sentence in my comment)
... is what my ... is/are feeling and those feelings don't lie.
They were sent out in your stupid wars to kill civilians that never should have been killed by whoseever frigging bombs. Those are the things you don't forget and don't forgive, as much as most would like to be able to just do that. But who can forgive that?
Joe Biden has even used his own son's (Beau Biden's) 'military service in Iraq' as tool for his own attempt to grab political power for himself. Would you sell your own baby?
Beau Biden's Complicated Life's decisions
What I think is the real thing I can't accept here in Biden's
response is, that he says to the Vet, who accused Biden having 'blood on his hands' when at the same time saying that his (the Veteran's friend) has died in the war, that Biden said 'his son died too'.
The fact that Biden's son died has nothing to do with Joe Biden's original decision to support the war and his son decided to serve in the military and having been sent to Iraq.
On top of that Biden's response in the context given, sounded as if Beau Biden was killed 'in the war too'. Beau Biden died as the consequence having a brain tumor, not as consequence of combat in the war, he served in and his father supported.
Igittigitt.
Karma
.
lol you so deserve this, Liz.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Yep, she earned it.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Liz Outperformed by Tulsi ...
... Who at least got a delegate or two (and over 20% of the vote) in her place of birth, American Samoa. Looks like Liz is under 15% in Oklahoma, which means no delegates in her state of birth, and, that and her third place in Massachusetts, hopefully she sees the handwriting on the wall ...
Bloomberg seems to
be getting the message from voters a little faster than Liz. MB has just said he will now be re-evaluating his situation. Liz, so I hear, has said nothing along those lines.
She's being stubborn, and is asking supporters for more donations to compete in next weeks's contests, but she clearly has not done well and has no path to victory, and only some modest convention leverage at best. But by then, one of the other two candidates may have a majority, so there goes the leverage she now has.
She probably hurts Bernie a little more by staying in, and every small margin advantage counts at this point.
you are two steps behind
see top essay today
One silver lining down,
one to go. And events are happening faster than I can type. And I type at a 65 wpm clip.
Look, I won't be surprised if Alabama goes for Biden
or even Bloomberg.
But how can you call it with 0% in?
They're calling a lot of these with low percentages reported.
VA sounds dirty as hell, given that Biden and Sanders were neck and neck.
Between that and the "new voting technology" and the polling places shut down--
When are we going to admit that GOTV can't beat fraud? At least, it can't beat fraud enough times to get to a win?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I know it. I am hoping against hope that Bernie being the
actual winner will overwhelm the rigging. But there are so many ways for them to tilt the playing field and no punishment even when they are caught. They are cheaters. It is what they do. It's as if it is in their DNA.
Why should we even trust the results?
We know it's being rigged right in front of us so how can we trust any of the results? I don't.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Any wonder now why Obama ignored the well documented
black box voting and election fraud problems for 8 years?
/pounding the wall
You're right, of course.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Biden wins Minnesota
WTF!! The guy is clearly suffering with dementia.
Looks like I'm voting Green again.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Really?
Fuck, me too. ಠ_ಠ
This shit is bananas.
Klobuchar wasn't going to win big
But her votes plus Biden's...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
"Wins"
This is one of those I have a real hard time believing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Rising (which is live right now)
briefly touched on turnout. Turnout of the younger age groups is unremarkable. We'll know more about this in the days to come, but it looks like Sanders isn't getting the turnout he needs.
With a big turnout of young people he can win big enough that they can't steal it from him. Without a big turnout it will be close enough to steal, maybe even close enough that they don't need to steal it. Maybe.
TBH I'm more astonished that Biden is getting ANY votes when he did no campaigning. WTF are candidates even running campaigns for? Advertising, rallies, direct mail, phone banking, voter registration drives. Does it all mean nothing in the end? Will people just vote for who the TV talking heads prop up (in Biden's case literally)?
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
They didn't turn out, or they didn't wait in the 3 hour lines
and instead turned away without voting? Just wondering after looking at the photo of TSU Houston campus posted by Snoopydawg above.
I question the younger generation not turning out
It's been lots of them that have flocked to Bernie's rallies because they wanted to hear about him, but just like last time they don't bother to show up? I don't buy it. They are the ones currently being screwed by the establishment democrats, but they don't show up? In what world does that make sense?
I still think that the votes are being rigged. There is too much on the line for establishment democrats to not rig it. No matter how many votes ByeDone gets above Bernie I'm not buying it. Nope. No way. No how.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I was thinking about this
My kids are in the 19-24 demographic. They're also in college out of state. My state makes it really hard to vote by absentee ballot. You have to print out and mail an avadavat, send it to your county , then wait to see if you get a ballot. I wonder how many others are in the same boat?
Washington State did not send us a primary ballot this year
They have sent us ballots every year up until this year. Suddenly, nada. so our votes for Bernie will not be cast.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
The Hill makes it difficult for me
so I'm following along with the less professional but more accessible Hard Lens Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzcu8ZvLqwE
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Biden did no campaigning and is suffering from dementia.
But we're supposed to believe that all these states just went for him. Just because of the Obama coattails?
In the South, maybe I'd buy it. But for the most part, these results stink.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good Grief --
Utah and Texas Democratic voters are more with Bernie than Massachusetts. And Sanders is doing better in Utah than MN.
When did MA Democrats get so dumb?
It's almost as if...
...Northeastern Democrats only vote as such because it's the socially-acceptable thing to do, not because they actually have the same values as Blue Team voters elsewhere.
I've had a suspicion, one that once did not exist at all yet has been growing within me for several years now, that the eastern US really does treat westerners as second-class Americans (note the way they talk about "Hollywood" and "Silicon Valley", but anything bad comes out of New York, and it's always just a single friggin' street)...one of the oddest things about this recent "identity politics" jag is all the divisions that don't get highlighted (or that it's still okay to diss, like CalExit)....
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
The problem with your hypothesis
is that "Hollywood" and "Silicon Valley" are totally in line with East Coast elites. And the majority of Democratic voters in MA, NH, etc. go right along with their elites. Who they diss are the few educated, smart, and thoughtful in Hollywood, such as Susan Sarandon.
That's kind of what I'm talking about
I know Silicon Valley.
I am from Silicon Valley.
This, madame, is not Silicon Valley.
Either there's been a hostile takeover since I left that's completely changed the nature of the place, or the MSM have settled on it as a convenient scapegoat, and SV's collectively "done a Bernie", allowing its own charitable spirit to sell it out to its own defamation by the meaner-spirited (it wouldn't be the first/only venue I've seen that happens, and it even fits the stereotype of the mentally-superior-but-socially-vulnerable nerd).
I admit I don't know everything...but I know what I DO know, I've learned how to recognize establishment gaslighting techniques along with present company*, and I know when the jigsaw puzzle's not fitting together.
* = That is not my accusing you or anyone else here of that, I hope that clarification is unnecessary. Am I the only one who was literally traumatized by my waning days at DailyKos? Talk about getting stabbed in the back after Bush-era Republicans had -already- done that to me....
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Not quite getting what you're driving at,
but it sounds important enough, that I'd like to continue trying.
In reverse order -- PTSD from dKos. How long were you there? Me: 11/02 until I got kicked out (iirc 2012) for describing an Obama statement as "me 'mo betta war-maker." That was deemed racist. While that surprised me, it was also a relief as I never belonged there anyway. I initially jumped in because those Kos couldn't even accurately read polls; he'd been preaching "we're gonna win this thing" wrt to the 2002 midterms and while out of hope I deferred to his political punditry claims, but had no idea how he'd drawn his conclusion as the polls indicated quite the opposite. However, I'd never before attempted to apply all my stat courses to interpreting political polls.
There were so few people there then that it held the promise of intelligent and rational political discussions. What quickly materialized was shouting and spats over differing opinions. I should have left six months later with the "clarkie" invasion (Kos was part of that but too much of a weenie to admit it) -- "he'll be just like Ike" and my response was that they were historical, social, and political doofuses and somewhat nuts. Self-styled Democrats indistinguishable in style from FoxNew/Bushies.
What was fascinating later on is that they were no more astute when conditions favored Democrats than they been when conditions favored Republicans. Irrational fretting and inability to engage in a sober and clear-sighted analysis.
Enough about that.
wrt "establishment gas-lighting," don't we have to look at which side(s) it's coming from? For Republicans "Hollywood" and "Silicon Valley" represent non-traditional "family values" and anti-tech. Within the DP PTB both are prized "gets" because most Americans love TV/movie entertainment and SV gizmos. Democrats use the same shorthand when they dismiss the "Bible Belt," and yet, Democrats harbor almost as many Bible nuts.
Looking at the primary results, Silicon Valley is nuttier than some other CA counties, but have to remember that HRC carried it in 2016. One of the worst yesterday is Marin County -- Biden 25.2%, Sanders 23.3%, Bloomberg 21.1%, Warren 15.6% (it was also an HRC county in 2016). Far different from when I lived there many years ago.
I was there 2009-very early 2018
I never got kicked out, I just started drifting away after things started feeling like Invasion of the Body Snatchers and I had some really awful encounters over the course of 2017 (like someone not only treating me like shit, but literally chasing me all over the forums for about 24 hours, maybe longer - I never quite got the courage to ask if this person was on drugs, but it was the first interaction I'd ever had in my life that made me want to ask such a question).
Like I said, I have bigger, deeper, and older problems than anything that went on there (including knowing that I shouldn't be taking this so hard, and there was a time when I wouldn't have, so WTF's happening to me???), so it was an incredible compound-insult for that place to become the thing I was trying to get away from.
I'd rather not talk about this any more, though; I've said what I have to say.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Interesting...
Rising's stream cut out with a splash screen "This stream has been suspended for violation of terms of service.". The comment section mentioned it, and Saadar mentioned it on air. They were back up 15 seconds later. Apparently during this totally random event Biden mistook his sister (on stage with them) for his wife. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Really?
What I suspect we're seeing is 1) Obama nostalgia - people that haven't bothered to look at his actual record - and 2) those supporting or leaning towards Pete and Amy shifted on nothing more than the endorsement 3) going with the flow. Those voters have paid little to no attention to Biden and therefore, are completely unaware of his frequent displays of dementia. If nominated, they will be shocked when the GOP begins bombarding them with senile Joe clips.
There was a flurry
of establishment figures getting on board with Joe starting in SC, and voters probably took that as a cue that Joe is okay and so if they voted for him they would be in step with many others. Apparently there are plenty among the Great Unwashed Dems who give great credence to what the establishment says.
Including the media establishment, which has consistently covered for Joe and diminished Bernie. There are probably a lot more Dems out there getting most/all of their political news from the 2 cables, and taking it all a little too much to heart, to an extent most on this board probably wildly underestimate.
I'm thinking it must be something like that b/c Biden barely campaigned or had a presence in some of the states he won, and his substantial surge in a few days in a few states (MA, VA and TX notably) otherwise is hard to explain except for some bandwagon effect by voters.
That's about right.
2016 was a "moment" that shifted the electorate's perspective. Such moments are rare and even rarer when the right leader who has been there all along can step forward. Rarest of all is when that leader can make it over that last hurdle.
That moment has now faded. The Great Recession has been thoroughly swept under the rug, Occupy is gone, and people can no longer remember that the Obama administration was as crappy as that of all his post-WWII predecessors. (One exception -- LBJ was great on domestic policies, but all that he's remembered for is the Vietnam War, and even there people don't recall that Nixon kept it going for several years after LBJ. (A bit like the Afghan War.)) Yet, the underlying conditions that led to the Great Recession and the financial insecurity of most Americans haven't changed.
Republican voters are satisfied with their immoral and ignorant POTUS. (Imagine the POTUS demands the CDC to come up with a vaccine for a new virus within a month. Not only scientifically ignorant but doesn't have a clue that he's so dumb. His anti-science fans likely applauded his demand as bold instead stupid and unprofessional.) Luckily for them, from all reported facts to date, this virus isn't as easily spread as some others and isn't as deadly for the general population as it's being hyped. Thus, the Trump administration will likely get away with a completely incompetent response.
The video
Ok, this doesn't look that bad. He's looking at the audience and just reached behind him. Still, it'll show up in a Republican blooper reel.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2vwyamLWg]
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Agree -- not that bad
if we assume that his wife and sister switched places before the beginning of that clip.
Oh God.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Weekend at Biden's
Edit: Oops. Was wrong subject name.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaExC_kV-ss]
California
Rising reporting -- California called for Sanders. Initial (tiny) results have it close, exit polls show a 15 point lead over Biden.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Bloomberg in 2nd Place in California (5% reporting)
If Biden (currently at 17.9%) finishes below 15%, that'd be something.
Unlikely, but crazier things have happened.
Edit to add: 8% in, Biden drops to 17.4%.
Reddit says Sanders wins CO/UT/CA!
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Breaking news
https://www.foxla.com/news/bernie-sanders-campaign-files-emergency-motio...
"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati
Warren's Night
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
My takeaway from today's events:
The Democratic Party prefers four more years of Donald Trump over having an actual living, breathing liberal in the White House.
I'm sure they'd prefer Joe Biden over Donald Trump, but they're willing to risk losing the election if it can prevent another FDR, LBJ heading the party. Liberal Presidents of the 20th century were a disaster for the party's big, corporate donors. What with their inconvenient New Deal and their War on Poverty.
Who needs that kind of disobedience when Goldman Sachs, Ratheon and Boeing want to get things done?
"The enemy is anybody who is going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on." Yossarian
Well, the corporate PTB
did get their convenient VN War. Good for business, especially for a lot of them located in TX. Brown & Root especially. Just a coincidence I'm sure. (LBJ, btw, never was a liberal [he referred to them in private as "red hots"], always from the TX Oil & Gas corpDem wing of the party which was always deeply invested in prosecuting the Cold War. JFK was the last true liberal president.)
As for Bernie, I wish long ago he had ditched the "democratic socialist" moniker -- it isn't quite a tight fit with his own beliefs anyway, it's dated and belongs to the 60s, and it still scares off enough people to make a difference. I would have preferred the label New New Deal Democrat. Much more benign and acceptable to the centrist wing. But, too late now. And even with that, the label is not the reason Biden beat him last night.
A sliver of sunshine
in an otherwise depressing ST - Shahid Buttar has made it to the general election against Nancy Pelosi. Of course she decimated the competition with 72.5% and Buttar only got 12.7%. Doubt that she would agree to a debate with him because he's highly articulate and principled and she's an inarticulate hack.
Good to hear - thanks
His emails sound sane, ethical, and well-informed.
That's not depressing
only in a narrow technical sense. Yes, he made it to the final round, but has 60 pct points of ground to make up. That is depressing and likely very undoable.
Meant that Buttar getting to the GE
is a positive step. A difficult path forward, but the numbers -- 72 to 12 -- are much different than those for HRC and Bernie when he opened his '16 campaign.
2016 a little different
as Bernie had oodles of time to make up ground. Pelosi's challenger has just a few months, and he's not facing a political novice.
Well, it's S.F., and I would have hoped for a better response from progressive voters there, more of an anti-Pelosi groundswell. It now appears she can almost phone it in for the general.
No need to be a pessimist nor an optimist
Eight months is long enough for things to change. They usually don't. But where was Biden eight months ago? A month ago? Near the bottom of the barrel after IA and NH. Where will he be four months from now?
Perhaps the remaining primary voters will wise up and recall that the it's my turn nominees lose general elections which gives rise to the suspicion that the party of such a candidate took a dive. Then take a closer look at Biden's record and his current mental competence. More likely they won't do that and sleep walk their way to the polls. It helps Biden that it's not Sanders' style to pummel an opponent and the MSM is totally covering-up Biden's serious handicaps.
SF isn't a bastion of progressivism. It's wealthy and friendly to all wealthy ethnicities, what is called alternative lifestyles, and young tech asperants. The latter can barely afford a bunkbed with a dozen others. The number working class families is very small.
Biden so down
after IA, NH and NV is what makes this latest so remarkable, and depressing. I don't know if a candidate has ever come back from losing the first 3 primary contests to win the nom.
After the first two defeats for Biden, Bernie's team seemed to ease up (as they focused more on Bloomberg) and seemed to consider Joe history. They should not have taken my posts here so much to heart -- I'm just posting, not helping run a major campaign. And I greatly underestimated the extent to which the MSM would systematically ignore or deliberately misinterpret in benign ways Joe's obvious signs of mental decline.
It's not over, but Joe needs to be put on the defensive. And Bernie needs to do some serious rethinking about treating Joe with kid gloves. The Dem establishment just kicked Bernie in the gut. Now he needs to get up and fight back. Going deep into the weeds constantly on his policy proposals won't get it done.
Difficult not to be depressed
Can't think of one, but the data set is really small. Only those contested primaries after 1968; iow 19 (if we include '92 for GHW Bush). And three of those contested primaries included an incumbent president viewed as likely to win the nom (which they did), two included an outgoing VP who was expected to win (and they did), Mondale - VP and loser reelection VP nom, and Dole, loser VP nom. Add to that a comeback from losing the nom four years earlier (won ge) and eight years earlier (lost ge).
Weren't around during the 1980s? Don't know if it was detectable in the 1980 election, and back then candidates were far better shielded in their public appearances, but it was apparent to anyone with minimal exposure to mental decline during the 1984 election, and those who had personal contact with him in the prior two years could recognize that he wasn't all there.
With sixteen opponents it's very difficult to know which one to tackle first and which one(s) represent the greatest threat. Trump picked two major and one minor in each of the early debates, but little Marco hung in there much long than Trump expected.
What was unfortunate is that none of the candidates went much beyond what Harris' attack on Joe. In other election cycles that would have been enough to knock him out, but most of it was so long ago and he had that MyBoss get-out-jail-free card to wave around. Warren had an ace to play against Joe. As she didn't can only guess that she was holding onto it if it came down to her and Joe. Sanders doesn't like playing this type of politics and part of the voter disgust with Trump is that he loves contact sport.
Thanks for mentioning this
I hadn’t heard and I was keeping an eye on this own. Yeah, he’s a long shot, but just the fact that he’s in the game is impressive.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
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