Things I Learned from the Dem Debate (02/07/20)

Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 3:32pm

I predict that someday in the not-so-distant future, the entire world will be shocked to learn that Andrew Yang is actually the mutated clone splice of Elon Musk and Bob Barker.

Amy Klobuchar says she's a 'fresh face', yet everything about Klobuchar is as stale as a twenty-year-old Twinkie. If 59 is the new 38, then in Amy's world we're all still living in 1999.

Early on in the debate, ABC briefly showed a split screen with Pete Buttigieg in both frames, which leads to the inevitable question: technical glitch or wishful thinking?

Tom Steyer is like the high school basketball coach in that old TV show 'The White Shadow'. Tom gave a rousing pep talk to all the players about the need to beat Donald Trump, although I kept waiting for him to yell over at Pete, "Watch those elbows, Salami!"

Desperate to revive her flagging campaign, Elizabeth Warren now argues that the way Democrats win elections is by calling out corruption. Liz then proved her brave commitment to this bold new strategy by spending the entire evening not uttering a single word about the Iowa Caucuses.

When Joe Biden yells, clouds tremble.

Joe did have a nice moment when he gave Bernie Sanders a hug in response to a question about Hillary Clinton's claim that nobody likes Bernie. A very classy gesture. Even so, in the interests of party unity I think we should ALL be extremely grateful that Bernie does not have a lot of hair.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 3:53pm
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Yippee 4 million more cannon fodder every year for our theft of country's resources.

Seriously someone needs to ask him what this means.

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Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.

Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:09pm
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@snoopydawg

Mind if we keep this thread about the debate?

Thanks.

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Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:26pm
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@Not Henry Kissinger

...another place another time.

Snoopydawg, imposing shared sacrifice on a population at this point in time is a profound effort in mind control. It is an artificially imposed prerogative. To what end? Buttigieg is a proxy. I've seen many plucked from high schools by the Navy.

A discussion for later.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:45pm
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@Not Henry Kissinger
I didn't see your request until after I answered Snoopy. Pleasantry

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:54pm
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@Not Henry Kissinger

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BTW I did a debate thread last night ICYMI.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 6:04pm
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@snoopydawg

BTW I did a debate thread last night ICYMI.

what your point is.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:43pm
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@snoopydawg
in Israel? Coincidence?

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Submitted by entrepreneur on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:52pm

@Raggedy Ann

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Submitted by Blue Republic on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 8:06am

@entrepreneur

For Switzerland, Finland, Taiwan...

Not like a standing, professional military has had
the most salutary results for America.

Topic deserving of its own thread.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 9:48am
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@Blue Republic

Topic deserving of its own thread.

you all continue to use this one.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 10:37am

@snoopydawg could have asked him about it. They didn't.
That's what I learned from the debate. Nothing of real importance was debated.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:39pm

We got this from 2 faced Liz.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:50pm
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@humphrey
I can hardly stand to listen to nor look at her. Sheesh!

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:44pm

But it didn't work so well.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:49pm
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@humphrey @humphrey
came bursting forth! "I can stand here and blow smoke up your ass and you don't even know I'm doing it!" What a dumass! I can't even stand to hear his voice.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:55pm

@Raggedy Ann

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:26pm
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@humphrey @humphrey

by saying that increased drug arrests were used to 'target' Black gang violence, which if you think about it, is pretty much the same pretext Richard Nixon used to START the Drug War in the first place.

At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. "You want to know what this was really all about?" he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

Pete is continuing the corrosive Nixonian conflation of drugs, Black people and violence, even as he calls for decriminalization of opioids for his poppy growing pals in Afghanistan.

What a creep.

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Submitted by longtalldrink on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 6:00pm
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@humphrey All I heard was blah, blah, blah with the deer in the headlights look.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:57pm

He messed up the talking points.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:10pm
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@humphrey

the same old gimmicky questions on him.
Nothing Bernie hasn't heard countless times before.

They're finally noticing.

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Submitted by wokkamile on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:00pm

I didn't spot any major highlight positives for any particular candidate, and on the neg side only Bootajudge's tussle with the mod over increased incarceration of blacks in SB over petty mj violations looked kinda bad. As in Mendacious Mayo.

I forget which exchange it was when Pete was being pressed, but he gets that look on his face of a frustrated child who's just been scolded. This is about the third time I've seen it in the debates, so last night wasn't a one-off. He just doesn't look ready to take the heat, and far more would be coming his way in a GE against the bully Donald. I think Pete is better suited to the white gloves treatment of those gentlemanly Oxford debates, where debate proprieties are strictly enforced, the debater has a second to fall back on, and a butler and finger bowls are provided.

My take on Boot's chances -- and I'm as surprised as most about where he is at this stage -- is that the buzz for him is going to wear off soon, either by NV or SC. Eventually word will get out to the dimmest bulb voters out there that he is mainly a glib, empty suit for his wealthy backers, someone who clearly needs a tad more seasoning.

He might do well in NH, coming off the surprise in IA, but I still have Bernie taking NH, possibly by more than a few points.

Klobbachair did well in the debate, and considering only the moderate side of the ledger, she remains my preferred pick if Tony Perez and the guys at headquarters insist on nominating a moderate. Or in the event it's a brokered convention -- the chances of that happening increasing as I write.

She would do well holding her own against Trump, and returning the fire, and there is a better chance for her compared to the other moderates to maintain Dem enthusiasm and drive GOTV. I do not see Boot, Biden or Bloomie doing that. Biden is just showing his declining mental situation, Boot would keep down AA and Latino turnout, and Billionaire Bloomie would greatly diminish turnout by the lib/prog wing.

Warren is about to fade into obscurity. Where does she go to regain mo after a weak 3d or 4th place finish in neighboring NH? And even Klobbachair might come close to passing her in the Granite State. She probably has enough $$ to stay in until SupTues, but I think she's done right now.

Steyer got a fair amount of talking time, but who cares. And Yang got almost none, and not many outside his immediate family are too upset.

This debate might have swayed a few undecideds in NH, but elsewhere it probably landed with a dull thud.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:19pm
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he gets that look on his face of a frustrated child who's just been scolded.

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:59pm

@Not Henry Kissinger A Pete v Trump debate would be hilarious.

Sad, but funny.

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Submitted by wokkamile on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 9:35pm

@Not Henry Kissinger a child getting caught in the cookie jar look. I'll keep trying to find the moment I saw.

Unless Pete and Tony have arranged to scrub all the Pete Looks Like A Scolded Child screen images from the net.

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Submitted by humphrey on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:28pm

But it does make sense.

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Submitted by longtalldrink on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:48pm
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Tom Steyer is like the high school basketball coach in that old TV show 'The White Shadow'.

Richie Cunningham from "Happy Days"

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Submitted by The Liberal Moonbat on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 10:40pm
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Hey, say what you will, but sounds good to me!

In some ways, it could be; a large portion of the problem is entirely mental (and this stupid, despicable, "social poker" thing most people do where everyone is kept down by everyone else's self-serving cowardice), and a lot of things have gotten as bad as they are purely because of self-fulfilling fiat politics.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 11:39pm
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@The Liberal Moonbat

was run by a Prince.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 11:59pm
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@The Liberal Moonbat

a large portion of the problem is entirely mental

We've been conditioned by economists to believe in a Natural State of the Invisible Hand, wherein maximizing profit lies the path to Salvation, so if we all play good little economic units and follow the natural order of capital debt accumulation, the Invisible Hand will bless us no matter how shortsighted and venal we act.

And woe betide unto any Heretic who dares challenge the Supremacy of this 'naturally occuring' Free Market by pointing out that the Invisible Hand also gets invisible manicures from Goldman Sachs.

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Submitted by The Liberal Moonbat on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 12:18am
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@Not Henry Kissinger I've addressed that extensively elsewhere: https://caucus99percent.com/comment/458916#comment-458916

As for that which isn't mental, I was simply trying to allow for all the concrete damage (the ravages of global warming, all the dead and destroyed in the Middle East, much of a generation needlessly ruined) the originally-mental problem has already managed to inflict since that date.

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