Trump will not go away peacefully ...

Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 3:01am

[video:https://youtu.be/eY7fEDpgO9o]
Specter of Fascism: Cohen Says Trump Won’t Leave Peacefully in 2020.

... if he loses in 2020 there will never be a peaceful transition of power ...

So, better vote for Trump in 2020, we all want peace, don't we?

Peace, more peace, peace 'über alles'. Yippie !!!

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 3:11am

"Trump is really good at tapping in to

like the most basic instincts of the worst kind of people, he knows how to read people, and he knows what to say what they want to hear to get them riled up."

Like those Third Reich guys (no names are provided here) , so you know the outcome, right?

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 3:14am

I am outta here running to my bunker /nt

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 2:19pm

Trump won't call in the Army

@mimi
but he will shout "election fraud" and his cult will believe him.

And it will only take one armed moron doing something stupid to make things serious.

Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 4:00pm

yes, but cults usually destroy and kill themselves, so

@gjohnsit
there is hope. And as there a millions of armed morons around, there will happen something serious, at least the probability is very high. Or it resolves itself in banality. But then there is the mafia, who is ready.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 5:47am

Well

I bet Bernie and Jane might prefer to live and work in a more modest environment during the Sanders administration. Donald can hole up in the Oval Office until the SWAT guys evict him, or until he runs out of McD burgers, whichever happens first. Or maybe we could just leave him there, as a sort of living monument to the end of the neocon-neolib era.

In the meantime, Melania will have decamped back to NYC with Barron at the first opportunity. I don't think she ever wanted or expected to be First Lady.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 9:31am

a known liar is a question mark

You can't believe him. For example he claims Stone told Trump about the LEAKED (not hacked) DNC emails. Assange who is believable says he never spoke to Stone. That is obviously false (not to mention Julian had already tweeted that the emails were coming out by that time).

We don't know...Tiny hands may be thrilled to leave office and count his earnings...and make a few half million dollar speeches like the Clintons and Obomber.

edit to add:
transcript here..
https://therealnews.com/stories/specter-of-fascism-cohen-says-trump-wont...

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 10:02am

many thanks for the transcripts ... /nt

@Lookout

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Submitted by mimi on Sun, 03/03/2019 - 10:19am

He has lied more than 8000 times - says Wilkerson

@Lookout
that is Trump, not Cohen.
[video:https://youtu.be/zBuAaZ_AQno]

So, where is Wilkerson going to be an expat? I will miss him.

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Submitted by WoodsDweller on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 9:24am

I'm sure El Trumpo ...

... has delusions to that effect, but they will come to naught.
He'll say that the election is fake, that the real vote is 100% for him (that's how you can tell a vote is real, doncha know?). Lots more whining in the press about how the race was stolen by letting people vote.
We've already seen a very few deranged Trump supporters turn to violence, like that guy that mailed out pipe bombs, and we might see dozens of such incidents after El Trumpo loses. Maybe even some that result in casualties. A law enforcement issue, but it won't change anything.

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Submitted by The Wizard on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 9:33am

Trump will not have to leave the Oval Office

Probably the worst President in the History of the Republic will be re-elected because - Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer. Do I need to say more?

Democrats are so blind to this problem. I had an interesting conversation with a well meaning card carrying Democrat last night. I hypothesized that Trump won because of a middle America backlash to the "Liberals" that live on the two coasts. His response was that they just don't understand that the "Liberals" are only interested in their well being. I have two more words for you - Bill Clinton, Barack Obama. Yeah, Trump is a bloviating nincompoop, but the Democrat Party has nothing better to offer Middle America. And yes, they can tell a fake from a mile away. One more- Joe Biden. Any genuine politician in the Democrat Party will be torpedoed by the leadership. All Trump has to do is to point out the D candidate's hypocrisy and personal failings and claim a few conservative principled stands on a few issues and he is in. At this point he is teflon man when it comes to his personal failings. You can't go there because it has already been beaten to death. I pointed this out on TOP during the previous election. The response was that it was faster to dispose of Trump by pointing out his personal shortcomings. How did that work out? What do the Democrats actually have to offer? They are neocon, neoliberal toadies, completely sold out. The hopey-changey thing, combined with zero substance, is all worn out.

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Submitted by Anja Geitz on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 11:29am

This is so true

@The Wizard

At this point he is teflon man when it comes to his personal failings. You can't go there because it has already been beaten to death.

Meanwhile Trump will be his usual loose cannon self saying what no other professional politician will say about political candidates. Moreover this will be REALLY easy for him to do if the DNC anoints Kamala. Imagine the delight Trump will have with her? Klieg lighting every horrible hypocritical thing she's done as attorney general that adversely impacted Black Americans? He'll zero in on that like a laser zapper.

We think 2016 was a shit show? Geez, I'll take bets now that 2020 will eclipse that by a landslide.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 10:21am

As far as the Stone/Assange thing goes

I know there was push back from Jacqueline Luqman on whether Cohen's testimony was true or not, but I remembered hearing on Democracy Now! yesterday the following (from the transcript):

AMY GOODMAN: Later in the hearing, Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie of Kentucky questioned Michael Cohen.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: You said—and this is also in your testimony—in the days before the Democratic convention, you became privy to a conversation that some of Hillary Clinton emails would be leaked. Is that correct?

MICHAEL COHEN: Correct.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: OK. Was that in—you said late July. Do you know the exact day?

MICHAEL COHEN: I believe it was either the 18th or the 19th, and I would guess that it would be on the 19th.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: But it was definitely July?

MICHAEL COHEN: I believe so, yes.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Do you know that was public knowledge in June? This was Mr. Assange. And I’d like to submit this—unanimous consent to submit this for the record.

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Without objection, so ordered.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Mr. Assange reported to the media on June 12th that those emails would be leaked. So, I’m not saying you have fake news; I’m saying you have old news, and there’s really not much to that.

AMY GOODMAN: Marcy Wheeler, he’s saying that a lot of people knew, that Julian Assange had said it publicly.

MARCY WHEELER: Julian Assange said publicly that he had material on Hillary Clinton. What Julian Assange never said publicly is “I’m going to drop it at the beginning of the DNC.” And so, what is interesting about Cohen’s story—and, to be clear, it’s unlikely that he really did speak directly with Julian Assange. We know from a bunch of Stone’s other claims that when he claimed to be speaking directly with Assange, he instead was speaking with a cutout, like Jerome Corsi or like Randy Credico.

But what it appears happened is that Stone informed Trump precisely when the emails were going to be dropped. And that, as far as I know, is not something that has been made public before, and is particularly interesting because if the call happened on July 19th, Stone was meeting with Nigel Farage at the RNC that day, and he’s one of the people that it was clear Mueller seemed interested in finding out whether was a go-between between people in the U.K. who knew about the emails and Roger Stone. So, it is new information. It’s consistent with Roger Stone’s indictment, although it means, in the indictment, Mueller is referring to the president himself as a senior campaign official. It’s more specific than we had ever known before.

So, there's that.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 12:47pm

Sigh.

@Raggedy Ann
I think you've nailed what this amounts to, gobbledegook phishing for a crime.

if the call happened on July 19th, Stone was meeting with Nigel Farage at the RNC that day, and he’s one of the people that it was clear Mueller seemed interested in finding out whether was a go-between between people in the U.K. who knew about the emails and Roger Stone. So, it is new information. It’s consistent with Roger Stone’s indictment, although it means, in the indictment, Mueller is referring to the president himself as a senior campaign official. It’s more specific than we had ever known before.

Breathtaking. If this is more specific than we had ever known before, we, meaning Mueller and the mainstream media followers of Mueller, are in trouble.

I know there was push back from Jacqueline Luqman on whether Cohen's testimony was true or not, but I remembered hearing on Democracy Now! yesterday the following (from the transcript): AMY GOODMAN: Later in the hearing, Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie of Kentucky questioned Michael Cohen. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: You said—and this is also in your testimony—in the days before the Democratic convention, you became privy to a conversation that some of Hillary Clinton emails would be leaked. Is that correct? MICHAEL COHEN: Correct. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: OK. Was that in—you said late July. Do you know the exact day? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe it was either the 18th or the 19th, and I would guess that it would be on the 19th. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: But it was definitely July? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe so, yes. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Do you know that was public knowledge in June? This was Mr. Assange. And I’d like to submit this—unanimous consent to submit this for the record. REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Without objection, so ordered. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Mr. Assange reported to the media on June 12th that those emails would be leaked. So, I’m not saying you have fake news; I’m saying you have old news, and there’s really not much to that. AMY GOODMAN: Marcy Wheeler, he’s saying that a lot of people knew, that Julian Assange had said it publicly. MARCY WHEELER: Julian Assange said publicly that he had material on Hillary Clinton. What Julian Assange never said publicly is “I’m going to drop it at the beginning of the DNC.” And so, what is interesting about Cohen’s story—and, to be clear, it’s unlikely that he really did speak directly with Julian Assange. We know from a bunch of Stone’s other claims that when he claimed to be speaking directly with Assange, he instead was speaking with a cutout, like Jerome Corsi or like Randy Credico. But what it appears happened is that Stone informed Trump precisely when the emails were going to be dropped. And that, as far as I know, is not something that has been made public before, and is particularly interesting because if the call happened on July 19th, Stone was meeting with Nigel Farage at the RNC that day, and he’s one of the people that it was clear Mueller seemed interested in finding out whether was a go-between between people in the U.K. who knew about the emails and Roger Stone. So, it is new information. It’s consistent with Roger Stone’s indictment, although it means, in the indictment, Mueller is referring to the president himself as a senior campaign official. It’s more specific than we had ever known before. So, there's that.

Submitted by Linda Wood on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 12:57pm

Here is something

@Raggedy Ann

specific about the emails:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIFUcuJ4Q4k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIFUcuJ4Q4k

DWS: Mr. Cohen is it your testimony that Mr. Trump had advance knowledge of the Russia Wikileaks release of the DNC's emails?

MC: I cannot answer that in a yes or no. He had advanced notice that there was going to be a dump of emails, but at no time did I hear the specificity of what those emails were going to be.

DWS: But you do testify today that he had advanced knowledge of their imminent release.

MC: That is what I had stated in my testimony.

I know there was push back from Jacqueline Luqman on whether Cohen's testimony was true or not, but I remembered hearing on Democracy Now! yesterday the following (from the transcript): AMY GOODMAN: Later in the hearing, Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie of Kentucky questioned Michael Cohen. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: You said—and this is also in your testimony—in the days before the Democratic convention, you became privy to a conversation that some of Hillary Clinton emails would be leaked. Is that correct? MICHAEL COHEN: Correct. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: OK. Was that in—you said late July. Do you know the exact day? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe it was either the 18th or the 19th, and I would guess that it would be on the 19th. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: But it was definitely July? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe so, yes. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Do you know that was public knowledge in June? This was Mr. Assange. And I’d like to submit this—unanimous consent to submit this for the record. REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Without objection, so ordered. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Mr. Assange reported to the media on June 12th that those emails would be leaked. So, I’m not saying you have fake news; I’m saying you have old news, and there’s really not much to that. AMY GOODMAN: Marcy Wheeler, he’s saying that a lot of people knew, that Julian Assange had said it publicly. MARCY WHEELER: Julian Assange said publicly that he had material on Hillary Clinton. What Julian Assange never said publicly is “I’m going to drop it at the beginning of the DNC.” And so, what is interesting about Cohen’s story—and, to be clear, it’s unlikely that he really did speak directly with Julian Assange. We know from a bunch of Stone’s other claims that when he claimed to be speaking directly with Assange, he instead was speaking with a cutout, like Jerome Corsi or like Randy Credico. But what it appears happened is that Stone informed Trump precisely when the emails were going to be dropped. And that, as far as I know, is not something that has been made public before, and is particularly interesting because if the call happened on July 19th, Stone was meeting with Nigel Farage at the RNC that day, and he’s one of the people that it was clear Mueller seemed interested in finding out whether was a go-between between people in the U.K. who knew about the emails and Roger Stone. So, it is new information. It’s consistent with Roger Stone’s indictment, although it means, in the indictment, Mueller is referring to the president himself as a senior campaign official. It’s more specific than we had ever known before. So, there's that.

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 3:31pm

The DWS questioning of Cohen episode is just too rich in irony.

@Linda Wood

Debbie Wasserman Schultz rigged the Democrat primary for Hillary Clinton, then forced to resign DNC, may have rigged her own reelection twice, is questioning Michael Cohen, who’s going to federal prison for lying, about whether Trump rigged election. You can't make this up!

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Submitted by Lookout on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 10:05am

Julian clearly said..

@Raggedy Ann

He NEVER spoke with Stone. I trust Assange over Stone any day. Wheeler is a russiagater. She is still spinning.

I know there was push back from Jacqueline Luqman on whether Cohen's testimony was true or not, but I remembered hearing on Democracy Now! yesterday the following (from the transcript): AMY GOODMAN: Later in the hearing, Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie of Kentucky questioned Michael Cohen. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: You said—and this is also in your testimony—in the days before the Democratic convention, you became privy to a conversation that some of Hillary Clinton emails would be leaked. Is that correct? MICHAEL COHEN: Correct. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: OK. Was that in—you said late July. Do you know the exact day? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe it was either the 18th or the 19th, and I would guess that it would be on the 19th. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: But it was definitely July? MICHAEL COHEN: I believe so, yes. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Do you know that was public knowledge in June? This was Mr. Assange. And I’d like to submit this—unanimous consent to submit this for the record. REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Without objection, so ordered. REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Mr. Assange reported to the media on June 12th that those emails would be leaked. So, I’m not saying you have fake news; I’m saying you have old news, and there’s really not much to that. AMY GOODMAN: Marcy Wheeler, he’s saying that a lot of people knew, that Julian Assange had said it publicly. MARCY WHEELER: Julian Assange said publicly that he had material on Hillary Clinton. What Julian Assange never said publicly is “I’m going to drop it at the beginning of the DNC.” And so, what is interesting about Cohen’s story—and, to be clear, it’s unlikely that he really did speak directly with Julian Assange. We know from a bunch of Stone’s other claims that when he claimed to be speaking directly with Assange, he instead was speaking with a cutout, like Jerome Corsi or like Randy Credico. But what it appears happened is that Stone informed Trump precisely when the emails were going to be dropped. And that, as far as I know, is not something that has been made public before, and is particularly interesting because if the call happened on July 19th, Stone was meeting with Nigel Farage at the RNC that day, and he’s one of the people that it was clear Mueller seemed interested in finding out whether was a go-between between people in the U.K. who knew about the emails and Roger Stone. So, it is new information. It’s consistent with Roger Stone’s indictment, although it means, in the indictment, Mueller is referring to the president himself as a senior campaign official. It’s more specific than we had ever known before. So, there's that.

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 1:49pm

it kinda bums me out, because back in the day i considered

@Lookout
her one of the savviest and most skillful "amateur" journalists posting at dPOS.

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Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 12:37pm

Yeah, I can see it all now. Trump barricaded

in the While House all hunkered down with Melania, Barron, and Javanka.

EDIT: took out word

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 4:05pm

nah, imagine, no stormy somethings and no burgers ...

@Amanda Matthews
him hunkering down, I don't see in my cards.

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Submitted by Mark from Queens on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 3:29pm

The Drumpf coup/lifetime presidency canard has been bandied

about as scare-mongering on the Left for too long already. Just like RW mortal fear of FEMA camps and Obama coming to take their guns away (though I'd love to see some abolition of guns).

No chance of it happening...

What you’ve outlined is exactly a coup. He can’t just grab a couch in the Oval Office and refuse to go. He’d need every key agency backing him, the military, local police, etc. it would be a gazillion-to-one gambit for a popular DC politician, and he isn’t that. https://t.co/85SZYCdcqd

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 03/01/2019 - 9:35pm

redacted, because I was drunk - though I never drink /nt

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 1:44pm

pretty much what i said a couple of days ago.

@Mark from Queens
Though it's fun to think about. The Onion did a great piece on Bill Clinton declaring himself President-for-life. It came from one of the three greatest editions they ever published, the one that came out the Thursday after the abortive election night in November 2000. The entire issue is predicated on the concept that the election was inconclusive, and the nation has been plunged into chaos -- but amazingly, of course, everything in it was written before election night; they just inadvertently stumbled into the perfect alignment of their "ludicrous" concept, and reality.

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Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Thu, 03/07/2019 - 4:25pm

I’m still wondering what went wrong when

@Mark from Queens
there was talk about a Bush**/Cheney coup.

I must have missed it.

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 12:06pm

The fact of the matter is

IF Trump gets reelected in 2020 if will be mostly due to malfeasance and political gaming by the Dims. As long as the economy holds till the elections, Trump will likely get elected as the Dims consume each other like cannibals.

BTW, there is little to no daylight between the Cons and the Dims vis-à-vis foreign policy. The Industrial, Military, Congressional, Media conglomeration will continue to suck hundreds of billions that could better be spent on programs of social uplift. Until this is addressed, the country will continue to degenerate, in both the social sphere and the material.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 1:23pm

True, that.

@CB

Ironic, too.

BTW, there is little to no daylight between the Cons and the Dims vis-à-vis foreign policy.

I've been noticing quite a few conservative sites that say the same thing. Then they blame the wars on Liberals. They actually start bitching about all the money being stripped from the nation.

Perhaps it's the fiscal conservatives. They must be peeling off from the Neocon madness that has eternally besmirched their Party.

I'm also starting to think that Trump doesn't belong to any Party. He should stop trying to make good on his campaign promises. He doesn't have the power to build walls or quit wars. And nobody cares anymore. That means both Parties are free to blow themselves up. The Dems Big Tent days are over. I wouldn't vote for a presidential candidate nominated from either of those corrupt parties.

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 6:33pm

Well Trump used to be a Democrat.

@Pluto's Republic I think the only party he’s ever belonged to is the Trump party.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Sat, 03/02/2019 - 6:45pm

I would vote

@Pluto's Republic

for Tulsi Gabbard or for Rand Paul because of their foreign policy positions, even if they were to run within the Parties. But I agree with you about the Parties completely.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sun, 03/03/2019 - 1:24pm

You know where I found Tulsi today?

@Linda Wood

Over at the Council on Foreign Relations. She's now a member there, which is in some ways a good sign since that is the door to Oval Office. I didn't notice any of the other trainees I expected to see.

I came in the back way and was poking around to see what topics are buzzing right now. Issues like nationalizing the Arctic, and concerns that right wing populism might not be ebbing after all, but Democracy certainly is — at a brisk pace throughout the world. By logical extension, there are discussions about the current population explosions in Africa and elsewhere that cannot be supported by this planet, and trends that show migration doors are closing to the world's excess humans. Instead of sending in Special Forces to foment civil wars there, we should send in free birth control and medical teams who offer voluntary surgical contraception.

Anyway, I ran across an in-house analysis of Tulsi's foreign policy views and her willingness to war. This may be of some interest to you.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 12:36am

Thank you,

@Pluto's Republic ,

I will look at it. I knew she was in the Council. I don't think it's a good thing. But she's still the most antiwar person running.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 9:56am

I do agree.

@Linda Wood

...she's still the most antiwar person running.

Gabbard is certainly the most precise and principled candidate in her discussions of the various wars the US is engaged in and the US threats of war against other nations.

Members of the "authentic" Left will appreciate some of her positions calling for an end to US aggression on the world stage. But the Democratic Party and fake Left will continue their positive support for war (catering to the war profiteers who fund their campaigns).

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Wed, 03/06/2019 - 6:45pm

I just today

@Pluto's Republic

finally read your link to the CFR in-house analysis of Tulsi's foreign policy views. Thank you for letting me know about it. I found it to be surprisingly positive.