@bobswern

Wow... words I thought I'd never type. But honestly, she didn't create this divide any more than Bernie did. We are looking at two distinct ideologies uncomfortably lodged within the same party. Those two ideologies are utterly incompatible. The divide was there from the moment 3rd way ever became a thing and arguably WAY longer than that. Being a communist/socialist has been the ultimate sin in this country from before McCarthyism. It's only now that capitalism is in its late-stage death throes that the battle can actually be fought. NOW enough people are suffering enough to wake up.

Bill Clinton has 2020 advice, but few candidates seeking it

By JULIE PACE
Associated Press
March 4th, 2019

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 20 years after he left the White House, Bill Clinton is still sought after for advice by some Democrats running for president. But the names on his dance card in recent months underscore how much his standing in the party has changed.

So far, none of the party’s early front-runners has had a formal meeting with Clinton. Nor have the women who are running in the historically diverse primary field.

Instead, Clinton has spoken mostly with male candidates who are considered longshots for the Democratic nomination, including Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, former Housing secretary Julian Castro and former Maryland Rep. John Delaney.

Clinton remains one of Democrats’ most successful politicians of the last half-century and one of its strongest messengers on the economy. Yet the party has shifted considerably to the left since his two terms in White House, and his personal baggage — as well as lingering hostilities from his wife Hillary Clinton’s failed 2016 campaign — make him an awkward adviser for some in his party’s next class of presidential hopefuls.

Tensions run particularly deep between the Clintons and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders...

They're single-handedly (along with their former staffers and online minions) doing more to create divisiveness within the Democratic Party, over two years after the fact, than anyone whom I can recall in my lifetime.

Nasty is as nasty does.

Stay classy Bill and Hill !!!

@mimi

... what a pity.

@Cassiodorus If you hadn't "said it" I would have

@gjohnsit The 2016 campaign never stopped and will continue into 2020.

What is more notable is how Hillarybots are still attacking Bernie like the 2016 campaign is ongoing.

@laurel
I think Hillary's presidential ambitions may go back further than Bill's time as governor. 40+ years, rather than 25. In other words, viewed in this light, she didn't form her desire to be POTUS while she was First Lady of Arkansas. She became the governor's wife because of her goal of becoming POTUS.

She seems to always have been actively interested in politics, as shown by her early years working for Goldwater. Everything she's ever done -- going to Wellesley, then to Yale Law School, working for Marion Edelman's Children's Fund, her job as legal counsel during the Watergate hearings, marrying the charismatic, politically ambitious con man Bill Clinton, the various endeavors she engaged in while First Lady of Arkansas -- all were designed to advance her quest to become the first woman president of the US.

I suspect, in her heart of hearts, she believes she should have been POTUS the first time around, not Bill, except for the fact that she was a woman at a time when the presidency was not viewed as acceptable for a woman.

Imagine how angry she must be at Bill. Imagine how enraged she must have been on election night 2016. Angry, in general, and apparently lacking the self-awareness and capacity for introspection needed to look at herself clearly. It's always someone else's fault.

It's kind of tragic that she will never have the thing she most wants, especially now that being a woman is less of an obstacle politically. But she's just not electable. She's basically a crappy politician. She seems to surround herself with people who are likewise politically inept, as well as corrupt.

Even when she tries to get around the unelectability problem by buying, manipulating, and cheating her way into the nomination, she still doesn't become POTUS. It would almost be funny, except the consequences are so damaging to the nation and the world.

Bill and Hillary had sold out to the neoliberal/neocon movement while he was governor. With the presidency, they furthered the neocon oligarchy's ends beautifully: Democratic Party realignment toward neoliberalism (DLC/Third Way), media monopolization (1996 Telecommunication Act), undermining of New Deal/Great Society accomplishments via the crime bill and welfare restructuring, and the legalization of a transnational globalist oligarchy through WTO/GATT and the NAFTA trade agreement that officially overrode national sovereignty. The global oligarchs remain the Clintons' masters.

However, Hillary's overriding personal interest lies in attaining the presidency for herself. She has no interests outside of this pursuit. She began lusting for it as First Lady and wasted no time finding the first randomly available Senate seat for which she carpetbagged shamelessly. As Senator, she supported the Bush Administration's neocon globalist agenda. As expected, she ran for president in 2008 via dirty campaigning against Barack Obama, refused to concede until late in the game, and negotiated a powerful position for herself as SOS which she utilized to reward nations and powerful entities who enriched her family fortune.

Donna Brazille's book described how the Clintons bought the DNC and used their ownership of it to pave Hillary's way into the presidency. She had other people (such as Sherrod Brown) create her policy positions because she has no interest in policy. She shamelessly cheated Bernie and forced her body to campaign when she was little more than an invalid. When she lost to Trump, she tried to persuade the Electoral College to overturn the election result, and when that failed, she and her people began their long impeachment push.

There is nothing in Hillary Clinton's life but the presidency; she appears to have no hobbies, interests, or personal relationships of great value. The hope of gaining the presidency appears to be the only thing that makes life worth living for her. Like all successful narcissists, she has acquired a slew of sycophants, hangers on, and flying monkeys who will do whatever it takes to eliminate anyone who gets in her way. Hillary will do anything, use any means, to obtain the presidency. This pursuit has been the sole focus of her life for a quarter of a century. There is really nothing else for her.