Hillary Discusses Undermining the Right to Vote

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 6:58pm

Wow! Hillary perfectly describes the 2016 Democratic Primaries. Long lines, registrations missing, voting rolls emptied, faulty equipment, fake caucus tallies, exit polls not matching..,etc. pic.twitter.com/VxSYERemFF

— Tim Black ™ (@RealTimBlack) March 4, 2019

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Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:06pm

Who better to speak about political corruption

than Her Heinous. She’s the expert here in the good old U.S. of A.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 6:41pm

I'm sure she got some pointers

@Amanda Matthews

during all those lovely summers up in Kennebunkport.

Mustn't forget the Bushes.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:19pm

Hillary on why she lost Wisconsin

Hillary Clinton: I Lost Wisconsin After Voters Were Turned Away at the Polls ‘Because of the Color of Their Skin’ https://t.co/mMo7xoMqEM pic.twitter.com/XrdfxhEqKL

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) March 4, 2019

Hillary Clinton: I Lost Wisconsin After Voters Were Turned Away at the Polls ‘Because of the Color of Their Skin’

Clinton said there are people in the country who are determined to undermine voting rights.

“They are motivated every single day to try to pull back rights, to try to suppress rights, to try to prevent people from fulfilling their own God-given potential. They did go to work and they found a receptive Supreme Court who came up with the most absurd decision. This is, in many ways, the most absurd,” she said. “The Congress is supposed to legislate based on evidence and facts, and we did. The Supreme Court says, ‘You don’t need that anymore. We don’t need that voting rights stuff. You don’t need to hold states and municipalities accountable. We are beyond all that now.’ What nonsense. Absolute, absurd nonsense.”

“I was the first person who ran for president without the protection of the Voting Rights Act and I will tell you it made it makes a really big difference and it doesn’t makes a difference in Alabama and Georgia, it made a difference in Wisconsin, where the best studies that have been done said somewhere between 40,000 and 80,000 people were turned away from the polls because of the color of their skin, because of their age, because of whatever excuse could be made up to stop a fellow American citizen from voting,” Clinton continued.

Notably, Clinton did not personally campaign in Wisconsin.

But I thought it was because of Russia Russia Russia?

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:41pm

I'm not going to deny the reality of the

@snoopydawg
effect that the Voter ID law had on turnout. It was clearly engineered to suppress the minority and underclass vote, and I don't doubt that it did. It might well have made the 27,000 vote difference, though it's impossible to know, because we have no way of knowing how many inner city African Americans wouldn't have bothered to go down there and vote even if they'd been given limo rides.

What I will say is this:
A. The blame for the existence of that Voter ID law can be laid directly at the feet of the worthless DNC that oversaw the electoral debacle of 2010.
B. The national party was useless in the effort to take back some control of the state in the various recall elections of 2010/2011, or the regular elections of 2012 and 2014. Worse than useless, really, since they worked with the state party to pre-select the charmless but wealthy candidate who would go up against Walker in 2012 -- having done the same damned thing in 2010, undermining the candidacy of Barbara Lawton, a high-profile and popular lieutenant governor who would have mobilized an army of young women in her cause, in favor of the dull, dry, and not-all-that-successful long-time party-hack mayor of Milwaukee.
C. Having full foreknowledge of the problem, the Clinton campaign and/or its surrogate, the DNC, should have had an all-out, all-hands-on deck program in place to get voters the ID that they needed. The Clinton campaign blew through 1.2 billion goddamned dollars in order to win 66 million votes. I'm going to do a bit of rounding here, and observe that this amounts to about $20/vote -- except of course it doesn't, because about 55,000,000 of those votes were "gimmes", the ones that a hamster would have won as the democratic nominee. So really, they spent closer to $100 per vote "earned". At best. Well, maybe here in Wisconsin, instead of pissing away cash down the rathole of TV advertising, they should have been carrying out a high-profile Voter ID and registration campaign -- which, BTW, would have garnered them a BOATLOAD of FREE media. I'm betting they could have done a lot better than $100/voter. Oh, fucking well. I mean, they (DNC, Obama, HRC) only had SIX YEARS TO GET IT DONE. Stupid fuckers.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:00pm

Agreed

@UntimelyRippd

Not just with what you wrote, but where were the democrats when the republicans were fighting so hard to keep people from voting for all these years? Maybe they were doing something, but I don't remember big court battles trying to stop them. Then there's all the times people in heavy democratic districts had only two voting machines and people had to wait in day long lines. Never heard that republicans had to do that.

The DLCC has a history of undermining progressive candidates and did it again during the last election. Who was the candidate in NYC and Florida that the bigwigs came out against? The Clintons, Obama and Biden campaigned for the less liked candidate.

And speaking of Biden. He said that Pence is a great guy and got called out on it. Pence would rather see LGBTs locked away somewhere and has some other abhorrent ideas. So Biden said that he means that Pence is with him on regime change in Iran. Sure Joe. Killing is such an admirable quality!

#2 effect that the Voter ID law had on turnout. It was clearly engineered to suppress the minority and underclass vote, and I don't doubt that it did. It might well have made the 27,000 vote difference, though it's impossible to know, because we have no way of knowing how many inner city African Americans wouldn't have bothered to go down there and vote even if they'd been given limo rides. What I will say is this: A. The blame for the existence of that Voter ID law can be laid directly at the feet of the worthless DNC that oversaw the electoral debacle of 2010. B. The national party was useless in the effort to take back some control of the state in the various recall elections of 2010/2011, or the regular elections of 2012 and 2014. Worse than useless, really, since they worked with the state party to pre-select the charmless but wealthy candidate who would go up against Walker in 2012 -- having done the same damned thing in 2010, undermining the candidacy of Barbara Lawton, a high-profile and popular lieutenant governor who would have mobilized an army of young women in her cause, in favor of the dull, dry, and not-all-that-successful long-time party-hack mayor of Milwaukee. C. Having full foreknowledge of the problem, the Clinton campaign and/or its surrogate, the DNC, should have had an all-out, all-hands-on deck program in place to get voters the ID that they needed. The Clinton campaign blew through 1.2 billion goddamned dollars in order to win 66 million votes. I'm going to do a bit of rounding here, and observe that this amounts to about $20/vote -- except of course it doesn't, because about 55,000,000 of those votes were "gimmes", the ones that a hamster would have won as the democratic nominee. So really, they spent closer to $100 per vote "earned". At best. Well, maybe here in Wisconsin, instead of pissing away cash down the rathole of TV advertising, they should have been carrying out a high-profile Voter ID and registration campaign -- which, BTW, would have garnered them a BOATLOAD of FREE media. I'm betting they could have done a lot better than $100/voter. Oh, fucking well. I mean, they (DNC, Obama, HRC) only had SIX YEARS TO GET IT DONE. Stupid fuckers.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:14pm

After the catastrophic loss of November 2010

@snoopydawg
(but before we knew just how horrible the price was going to be), John Nichols laid out the details of how the party elites, starting right at the top of the rotten, politically useless White House, sabotaged Lawton's candidacy. Among other things, he asserts that Obama's people rat-fucked her because she had supported HRC in 2008.

And then 6 years later, having undermined a popular female candidate who enjoyed a statewide profile, in favor of a milquetoast middle-aged white male party hack unknown outside of Milwaukee, the same crowd told us we were sexists if we didn't support HRC.

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:26pm

Oh, and hey, there's more!

@snoopydawg @snoopydawg
A UW-Madison prof did -- OMG -- an actual, like, you know, study(EDIT to fix link) of the effect of the Voter ID law in Dane and Milwaukee Counties. He concluded that in those two counties, the "the voter ID law affected between 16,801 and 23,252 voters among" those who didn't vote. However, get this:

"Most of the people who cited ID as a reason they didn't vote actually turned out to possess a qualifying form of ID," Mayer said on Here & Now. Some voters thought that the address on their driver's license had to be their current address — that is not so.

Gee, maybe if the DNC had carried a massive program to inform the public, and get people the ID they needed, a whole lot of people would have known that they were able to vote with the ID they had.
The useless, useless, USELESS fuckwits.

BTW, the republicans were outraged that the Dane County clerk was "wasting" taxpayer dollars proving that the law was doing exactly what everyone said it would do (namely, what the republicans had always intended it to do).

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:52pm

This

@UntimelyRippd

Gee, maybe if the DNC had carried a massive program to inform the public, and get people the ID they needed, a whole lot of people would have known that they were able to vote with the ID they had.
The useless, useless, USELESS fuckwits.

They knew that there would be problems getting people to get vote because there has been for like ever. And Her didn't help herself when she called people deplorables. Unforced error. Plus she didn't go to the states that Trump won. Why? Because she was in California at some huge fundraiser event even though she had California wrapped up. I'll be back with an article about her on this.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by The Voice In th... on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 10:18pm

Follow the money

@snoopydawg id she want to become even more filthy rich?
The answer is obvious for Hillary McDuck Clinton.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 6:38am

Bingo!

@snoopydawg If I remember correctly, Hillary was in California at a fund raiser only two weeks before the election. And yet, despite pleas from workers on the ground in Michigan, she refused to send more resources or campaign in that state.

So while Her Heinous was traveling via luxury jet to small venue speaking engagements and fundraisers with wellheeled donors, Bernie was traveling coach and working with a large army of volunteers on the ground to maximize his resources. Hillary Clinton was the most out of touch, openly dismissive and arrogant candidate to run for President in my own lifetime.

Bottom line, people do not like her and she ran the most expensive and wasteful campaign in the history of the United States on the way to losing. Russia, Russia, Russia, my ass.

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Submitted by Anja Geitz on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 12:12pm

On the way to losing to Donald Fucking Trump

@gulfgal98

she ran the most expensive and wasteful campaign in the history of the United States on the way to losing.

Her campaign was the Hiroshima of Presidential campaigns witnessed in my lifetime.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:58pm

Heh read this

@UntimelyRippd

Hillary is Shameless

Hillary Clinton is Shameless

Never has a candidate for President been so solicitous—and transparent about it—of major wealth, what the New York Times (stepping out of character) admits is her appeal to the Ultrarich. In Chozick and Martin’s, “Where Has Hillary Clinton Been? Ask the Ultrarich,” Sept. 3, we find the most lopsided appeal to wealth—at the expense of normal campaigning—in US electoral history: estate after estate, party after party, closed doors, the pampered and selfish, coming out of the woodwork, to bask in the love of one who gravitates to them like moths to a light.

Hillary Clinton has no shame. Forget press conferences. Brazen out FBI findings of duplicity, criminality (though the Agency demurs from the charge), inadvertence in destroying evidence, a bottomless well of rotten practice—and this the darling of liberals and so-called progressives. Weighed in the scales of decency and social justice, how is she better than Donald Trump? Both are fascistically-inclined, both have contempt for working people and minorities, both have chauvinistic militarism in their blood. How can there be a choice of the lesser of two evils when each vies for the pinnacle of Evil-ness?

Whore? For $125,000, you get dinner and a meet-the-candidate (some as high as a quarter $M)—and if under 16 years old at the gathering, for $10,000 you can ask the candidate a question. Auction-block politics, except that it is the American people on the slave-block. In this hothouse atmosphere, the host ensures Clinton will not be embarrassed. Why should she be, they’re all bosom buddies, all see eye-to-eye, gatherings of the self-righteous that make a Mafia summit look like a children’s tea party.

At one of her fundraisers she had white noise machines to keep the press from hearing what she said. And then there's that time she literally roped off the press with a rope to keep them from talking to her. I thought that if I was a journalist I'd quit covering her altogether.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 10:22am

Great piece for the archives.

@snoopydawg
We really should put all of these together for posterity.

#NeverForget how absolutely sold-out, smug and stunningly greedy the Democratic Part and its Queen have been/were/are. And that is exactly why they lost and deserve to lose every subsequent election operating under such hideously evil practices.

"Auction-block politics" - absolutely perfect.

#2.1.1.2 Hillary is Shameless Hillary Clinton is Shameless Never has a candidate for President been so solicitous—and transparent about it—of major wealth, what the New York Times (stepping out of character) admits is her appeal to the Ultrarich. In Chozick and Martin’s, “Where Has Hillary Clinton Been? Ask the Ultrarich,” Sept. 3, we find the most lopsided appeal to wealth—at the expense of normal campaigning—in US electoral history: estate after estate, party after party, closed doors, the pampered and selfish, coming out of the woodwork, to bask in the love of one who gravitates to them like moths to a light. Hillary Clinton has no shame. Forget press conferences. Brazen out FBI findings of duplicity, criminality (though the Agency demurs from the charge), inadvertence in destroying evidence, a bottomless well of rotten practice—and this the darling of liberals and so-called progressives. Weighed in the scales of decency and social justice, how is she better than Donald Trump? Both are fascistically-inclined, both have contempt for working people and minorities, both have chauvinistic militarism in their blood. How can there be a choice of the lesser of two evils when each vies for the pinnacle of Evil-ness? Whore? For $125,000, you get dinner and a meet-the-candidate (some as high as a quarter $M)—and if under 16 years old at the gathering, for $10,000 you can ask the candidate a question. Auction-block politics, except that it is the American people on the slave-block. In this hothouse atmosphere, the host ensures Clinton will not be embarrassed. Why should she be, they’re all bosom buddies, all see eye-to-eye, gatherings of the self-righteous that make a Mafia summit look like a children’s tea party. At one of her fundraisers she had white noise machines to keep the press from hearing what she said. And then there's that time she literally roped off the press with a rope to keep them from talking to her. I thought that if I was a journalist I'd quit covering her altogether.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 6:43am

This!

@UntimelyRippd

C. Having full foreknowledge of the problem, the Clinton campaign and/or its surrogate, the DNC, should have had an all-out, all-hands-on deck program in place to get voters the ID that they needed.

The Clinton campaign was too arrogant to put their resources where they were needed. They failed to answer the call for help in Michigan too.

Voter ID is a problem. We all know that. You would think a campaign of $1.2 billion would know that too and devote the necessary resources to overcome that obstacle.

#2 effect that the Voter ID law had on turnout. It was clearly engineered to suppress the minority and underclass vote, and I don't doubt that it did. It might well have made the 27,000 vote difference, though it's impossible to know, because we have no way of knowing how many inner city African Americans wouldn't have bothered to go down there and vote even if they'd been given limo rides. What I will say is this: A. The blame for the existence of that Voter ID law can be laid directly at the feet of the worthless DNC that oversaw the electoral debacle of 2010. B. The national party was useless in the effort to take back some control of the state in the various recall elections of 2010/2011, or the regular elections of 2012 and 2014. Worse than useless, really, since they worked with the state party to pre-select the charmless but wealthy candidate who would go up against Walker in 2012 -- having done the same damned thing in 2010, undermining the candidacy of Barbara Lawton, a high-profile and popular lieutenant governor who would have mobilized an army of young women in her cause, in favor of the dull, dry, and not-all-that-successful long-time party-hack mayor of Milwaukee. C. Having full foreknowledge of the problem, the Clinton campaign and/or its surrogate, the DNC, should have had an all-out, all-hands-on deck program in place to get voters the ID that they needed. The Clinton campaign blew through 1.2 billion goddamned dollars in order to win 66 million votes. I'm going to do a bit of rounding here, and observe that this amounts to about $20/vote -- except of course it doesn't, because about 55,000,000 of those votes were "gimmes", the ones that a hamster would have won as the democratic nominee. So really, they spent closer to $100 per vote "earned". At best. Well, maybe here in Wisconsin, instead of pissing away cash down the rathole of TV advertising, they should have been carrying out a high-profile Voter ID and registration campaign -- which, BTW, would have garnered them a BOATLOAD of FREE media. I'm betting they could have done a lot better than $100/voter. Oh, fucking well. I mean, they (DNC, Obama, HRC) only had SIX YEARS TO GET IT DONE. Stupid fuckers.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 10:28pm

Well, and then there's complaining about

@UntimelyRippd

election fraud and voter suppression, when you yourself have benefited from...election fraud and voter suppression. In the very same election cycle. Hmm.

#2 effect that the Voter ID law had on turnout. It was clearly engineered to suppress the minority and underclass vote, and I don't doubt that it did. It might well have made the 27,000 vote difference, though it's impossible to know, because we have no way of knowing how many inner city African Americans wouldn't have bothered to go down there and vote even if they'd been given limo rides. What I will say is this: A. The blame for the existence of that Voter ID law can be laid directly at the feet of the worthless DNC that oversaw the electoral debacle of 2010. B. The national party was useless in the effort to take back some control of the state in the various recall elections of 2010/2011, or the regular elections of 2012 and 2014. Worse than useless, really, since they worked with the state party to pre-select the charmless but wealthy candidate who would go up against Walker in 2012 -- having done the same damned thing in 2010, undermining the candidacy of Barbara Lawton, a high-profile and popular lieutenant governor who would have mobilized an army of young women in her cause, in favor of the dull, dry, and not-all-that-successful long-time party-hack mayor of Milwaukee. C. Having full foreknowledge of the problem, the Clinton campaign and/or its surrogate, the DNC, should have had an all-out, all-hands-on deck program in place to get voters the ID that they needed. The Clinton campaign blew through 1.2 billion goddamned dollars in order to win 66 million votes. I'm going to do a bit of rounding here, and observe that this amounts to about $20/vote -- except of course it doesn't, because about 55,000,000 of those votes were "gimmes", the ones that a hamster would have won as the democratic nominee. So really, they spent closer to $100 per vote "earned". At best. Well, maybe here in Wisconsin, instead of pissing away cash down the rathole of TV advertising, they should have been carrying out a high-profile Voter ID and registration campaign -- which, BTW, would have garnered them a BOATLOAD of FREE media. I'm betting they could have done a lot better than $100/voter. Oh, fucking well. I mean, they (DNC, Obama, HRC) only had SIX YEARS TO GET IT DONE. Stupid fuckers.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:17pm

Wasn't it because of Stein, Stein, Stein, not skin, skin, skin?

@snoopydawg

The racial diversity among the population in Wisconsin is currently at 86.2% Caucasian, 6.3% African American, 2.6% Asian, 2.2% two or more races, 1.8% other races, and .9% Natives of North America.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/wisconsin-population/

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:51pm

Fact remains, many black folks resented being told they were

@snoopydawg
$hillary's "firewall" and were expected to fawn for Obama's hand-picked successor, when their stations' in life had gotten ever worse during his tenure. Nah, they already had it with the okeydoke.

Over 86,000 black voters stayed home in Milwaukee between 2012 and 2016. Clinton only needed 22,748 to win.

These voters were not "turned away." They just didn't see the benefit of voting for Clinton.https://t.co/jwGi6g6gD5 @MalaikaJabali https://t.co/BrfHAtzudi

— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) March 5, 2019

Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It

Just as I was picking up this 2017 poll from The Hill (which I can barely stand to look at), "Poll: Bernie Sanders country’s most popular active politician" , that says his highest approval ratings are with black women at 73%, I saw this headline from 20 mins ago:

Hillary Clinton says she’s not running in 2020

Insufferable, greedy, and entitled - just go the fuck away.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 9:01pm

Man, I wish I'd seen that NY Times article

@Mark from Queens
three years ago. It's got the goods on everything I've been saying since election night 2016.

At Upper Cutz, a bustling barbershop in a green-trimmed wooden house, talk of politics inevitably comes back to one man: Barack Obama. Mr. Obama’s elections infused many here with a feeling of connection to national politics they had never before experienced. But their lives have not gotten appreciably better, and sourness has set in.

“We went to the beach,” said Maanaan Sabir, 38, owner of the Juice Kitchen, a brightly painted shop a few blocks down West North Avenue, using a metaphor to describe the emotion after Mr. Obama’s election. “And then eight years happened.”

All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself.
...
“I’m so numb,” said Jahn Toney, 45, who had written in Mr. Sanders. He said no president in his lifetime had done anything to improve the lives of black people, including Mr. Obama, whom he voted for twice. “It’s like I should have known this would happen. We’re worse off than before.”

But Mr. Obama did do something important: “He did give black people something to aspire to. That’s a lot. I’m happy my son was able to see a black president.”

Even the New York Fucking Times got the story right, but it's been an uphill battle against the BS ever since. Once they had the Russia narrative, they forgot about the straightforward truth that their own reporters had uncovered within two weeks of the election.

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Submitted by Mark from Queens on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 10:01pm

Yeah, must have just slipped through. An amazingly candid

@UntimelyRippd
and revelatory piece.

Read it a while ago, but then Greenwald reminded me of it from his appearance on the Jimmy Dore show.

Here's their show on the NYT piece:

Funny, because I was having trouble embedding this video for some reason, gave up and looked for a link to the actual NYT article. Glad you both got to read it.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 9:15pm

Good article

@Mark from Queens

At Upper Cutz, a bustling barbershop in a green-trimmed wooden house, talk of politics inevitably comes back to one man: Barack Obama. Mr. Obama’s elections infused many here with a feeling of connection to national politics they had never before experienced. But their lives have not gotten appreciably better, and sourness has set in.

“We went to the beach,” said Maanaan Sabir, 38, owner of the Juice Kitchen, a brightly painted shop a few blocks down West North Avenue, using a metaphor to describe the emotion after Mr. Obama’s election. “And then eight years happened.”

Exactly. 8 years of Obama's not doing anything for the people who voted for him. He bailed out the banks and told us that we are on our own. I posted an article in another essay about how the economic crisis should have been treated. And I doubt that Obama's administration didn't know that. In fact Tim Geitner told him not to bail out Main Street. "Okay I won't."

Perhaps the biggest drags on voter turnout in Milwaukee, as in the rest of the country, were the candidates themselves. To some, it was like having to choose between broccoli and liver.

Pretty much.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by orlbucfan on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 5:52am

Drive a stake through its/her heart!

@Mark from Queens And keep it there. Rec'd!!

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Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 2:52pm

I am reminded how Obama tried to phone it in

@snoopydawg @Mark from Queens

— his campaign efforts for the 2012 re-election, I mean. He didn't feel like he should have to make an extraordinary effort. After all, Romney was running against himself. So, he flubbed the first debate. He was dismissive and distracted, as if the debate was an imposition. Not that I cared, but if I was Michelle, I would have kicked his ass. Maybe she did. But he didn't really break a sweat until Hillary got caught gun-running in Benghazi to arm al qaeda in Syria — and dropped that in his lap. They both looked scared to death at their joint presser in the Rose Garden the next morning. And then that snake, Susan Rice, showed up on Meet the Press a few days later, lying right in the face of the Libyan President, insisting that Benghazi was caused by a protest over a video.

I bring up Rice to here to make a point. Susan Rice was a key player in setting up the sting/hoax that Mueller is investigating. And is the major player in the whole Butina/NRA/American University spy incubator operation, as well. There is an open channel between the two events. The press pretends the Rice cabal doesn't exist. It was this kind of systemic high-handedness and collusion by the press that turned off the AA community. They might not know the details, but they were all over the attitude.

This article came appeared in the Nation during the Iowa primary in February 2016. I'm guessing the Clinton campaign knew they had blown it that far back. A lot of people did.

Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote

Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal healthcare, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed, and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.

What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?

No. Quite the opposite.

If you listen closely here, you’ll notice that Hillary Clinton is still singing the same old tune in a slightly different key. She is arguing that we ought not be seduced by Bernie’s rhetoric because we must be “pragmatic,” “face political realities,” and not get tempted to believe that we can fight for economic justice and win. When politicians start telling you that it is “unrealistic” to support candidates who want to build a movement for greater equality, fair wages, universal healthcare, and an end to corporate control of our political system, it’s probably best to leave the room.

That's what happened in 2016. The Clinton team had to eject Bernie (and his supporters) from the race. Sanders would have had the black vote in the General to put him over the top. And he has earned it for 2020. Those are the real demographics going into this. AAs have been betrayed by their own at every turn. Kamala Harris looks a lot like Susan Rice and her ilk. Identity politics? They are over that. The Clinton campaign talked about smearing Bernie as a Jew in 2016. Talk about preaching to the wrong choir.

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"

Submitted by snoopydawg on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 4:38pm

Excellent comment, Pluto

@Pluto's Republic

Thanks for posting this article about how the Clintons screwed blacks. I was surprised by the number of people who on DK who I knew were black were voting for her. As well as the so called feminists who said she has done more for women and children than anyone. Blehh.

From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

Not just these two things, but the number of jobs lost during his tenure. People lose jobs and society always suffers. This is why we're seeing the raging opioid epidemic. People have no way to escape from the crushing poverty and turn to things that let them turn it out.

This is just what a sociopath would say and do.

Just weeks before the critical New Hampshire primary, Clinton proved his toughness by flying back to Arkansas to oversee the execution of Ricky Ray Rector, a mentally impaired black man who had so little conception of what was about to happen to him that he asked for the dessert from his last meal to be saved for him for later. After the execution, Clinton remarked, “I can be nicked a lot, but no one can say I’m soft on crime.”

No you were just someone that had power over a poor mentally challenged person's life you asshole!

As for the role Rice played in Russia Gate it sure ties in more of the Obama justice department into it. Rice has slipped under the radar for her unmasking people who had been spied on and it was unconstitutional for her to do that.

I've forgotten many of the things that happened with regards to Russia Gate while Barry was still in office.

Thanks for this addition.

Oh yeah. As for Harris. I can't believe how many blacks are going to vote for her after what she did as AG. If they know her history and do vote for her there's a word for that. Gawd. Herheinous would have been bad enough, but to get someone who is both Her and Obama...shudder!

#2.3.2 #2.3

— his campaign efforts for the 2012 re-election, I mean. He didn't feel like he should have to make an extraordinary effort. After all, Romney was running against himself. So, he flubbed the first debate. He was dismissive and distracted, as if the debate was an imposition. Not that I cared, but if I was Michelle, I would have kicked his ass. Maybe she did. But he didn't really break a sweat until Hillary got caught gun-running in Benghazi to arm al qaeda in Syria — and dropped that in his lap. They both looked scared to death at their joint presser in the Rose Garden the next morning. And then that snake, Susan Rice, showed up on Meet the Press a few days later, lying right in the face of the Libyan President, insisting that Benghazi was caused by a protest over a video.

I bring up Rice to here to make a point. Susan Rice was a key player in setting up the sting/hoax that Mueller is investigating. And is the major player in the whole Butina/NRA/American University spy incubator operation, as well. There is an open channel between the two events. The press pretends the Rice cabal doesn't exist. It was this kind of systemic high-handedness and collusion by the press that turned off the AA community. They might not know the details, but they were all over the attitude.

This article came appeared in the Nation during the Iowa primary in February 2016. I'm guessing the Clinton campaign knew they had blown it that far back. A lot of people did.

Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote

Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal healthcare, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed, and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.

What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?

No. Quite the opposite.

If you listen closely here, you’ll notice that Hillary Clinton is still singing the same old tune in a slightly different key. She is arguing that we ought not be seduced by Bernie’s rhetoric because we must be “pragmatic,” “face political realities,” and not get tempted to believe that we can fight for economic justice and win. When politicians start telling you that it is “unrealistic” to support candidates who want to build a movement for greater equality, fair wages, universal healthcare, and an end to corporate control of our political system, it’s probably best to leave the room.

That's what happened in 2016. The Clinton team had to eject Bernie (and his supporters) from the race. Sanders would have had the black vote in the General to put him over the top. And he has earned it for 2020. Those are the real demographics going into this. AAs have been betrayed by their own at every turn. Kamala Harris looks a lot like Susan Rice and her ilk. Identity politics? They are over that. The Clinton campaign talked about smearing Bernie as a Jew in 2016. Talk about preaching to the wrong choir.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Wed, 03/06/2019 - 12:41am

RussiaGate things that happened while Obama was still in office.

@snoopydawg

I've forgotten many of the things that happened with regards to Russia Gate while Barry was still in office.

Well, here's some "things" the press has not pressed:

The Trump Campaign was wiretapped five months before the Carter Page FISA warrant was approved. (Page wasn't hired by the Trump campaign. He was a volunteer planted in the Trump campaign by the FBI as a future asset for the cover-up of their surveillance under Obama.)

The early infiltration was accomplished with one email. Known as the "Kremlin Connection", it was sent to Trump's Campaign by Paul Erickson, an FBI informant on May 10, 2016. This was five months before the FBI's Carter Page warrant was approved to do the same thing — and a month before the so-called Russia hack. Erickson was Mariia Butina's US boyfriend. That's why she is being tortured in the "hole" in a DC jail tonight and missed her scheduled sentencing date in February. Butina has no idea what hit her. Susan Rice was her mentor at American University. She was set up. Coincidentally, American University is the place that Craig Murray picked up the thumb drive he gave to Assange.

The source of the "Kremlin Connection" incident is the 99-page concoction called the "Report on Russian Active Measures dated March 22nd". It was written by nine Democratic Minority Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, headed by Adam Schiff. At the time, Sessions was a Senator from Alabama and part of the Trump Campaign for President. Erickson also sent an email to Rick Dearborn, who was the Senior Adviser to Jeff Sessions. Erickson's email said he could create "a back channel" to the Kremlin so that Trump could communicate directly with Russian President Vladmir Putin. Dearborn forwarded it on May 17, 2016 to Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Jared Kushner, all with the Trump Campaign for President, but not to Sessions. When Trump was elected President, Sessions quit the Senate to become his Attorney General. No long afterward, he recused himself.

This is where Ed Snowden enters the picture. And Assange, too. That makes three people held without a voice. They have information about software that US Intel has that can wiretap anyone using only an email address and a person's phone number. Although Sessions never received the "Kremlin Connection" email, the FBI could wiretap him too because his email address was in Dearborn's list of contacts. The FBI admitted Paul Erickson is their informant in court documents in an unrelated case.

This is what Mueller had when he began his investigation/cover-up. The supporting documents are out there. Anyone can find them.

Looks like Mueller is done with his assignment. They should put a gold star on his forehead and send him home. The American people have their triggers installed for the next election overthrow. Let me guess....

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 03/06/2019 - 12:40am

Was it Britain that was spying on him

@Pluto's Republic

or was it the FBI? I do remember that Page had worked with the FBI a few times before he started working on the Trump campaign. Valerie Jarret was also involved with the campaign to make up crap on the Trump campaign and that the FBI had tried numerous times to entrap people working with it.

Do you have a link for this information? I don't understand this...

"Report on Russian Active Measures dated March 22nd". It was written by nine Democratic Minority Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, headed by Adam Schiff.

You're saying that more people were involved in setting this whole shit show up? Democrats were more involved than we know about? So what is Butina's role in this and why was she working with Ericsson and what's the connection with those two with the NRA? Wasn't she just some Russian student who hung out with people from the NRA? What is the real story of why she is in prison? Most of this I haven't heard about. Can you elaborate more on this?

I'm thinking it'd be great if everyone who has information on this Russian propaganda nonsense could post their links in one essay that I could then put together so that we have as much information on this up to when Mueller releases his report.

Just read how Lynch's memory was bad when she testified to congress about her role in signing off on the FISA warrants for Page. She doesn't remember anything about doing it or why it was done. Of course not. People high up like her are going to skate on everything and especially Obama. Rice wouldn't have done what she did if she didn't have permission to do it.

#2.3.4.1

I've forgotten many of the things that happened with regards to Russia Gate while Barry was still in office.

Well, here's some "things" the press has not pressed:

The Trump Campaign was wiretapped five months before the Carter Page FISA warrant was approved. (Page wasn't hired by the Trump campaign. He was a volunteer planted in the Trump campaign by the FBI as a future asset for the cover-up of their surveillance under Obama.)

The early infiltration was accomplished with one email. Known as the "Kremlin Connection", it was sent to Trump's Campaign by Paul Erickson, an FBI informant on May 10, 2016. This was five months before the FBI's Carter Page warrant was approved to do the same thing — and a month before the so-called Russia hack. Erickson was Mariia Butina's US boyfriend. That's why she is being tortured in the "hole" in a DC jail tonight and missed her scheduled sentencing date in February. Butina has no idea what hit her. Susan Rice was her mentor at American University. She was set up. Coincidentally, American University is the place that Craig Murray picked up the thumb drive he gave to Assange.

The source of the "Kremlin Connection" incident is the 99-page concoction called the "Report on Russian Active Measures dated March 22nd". It was written by nine Democratic Minority Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, headed by Adam Schiff. At the time, Sessions was a Senator from Alabama and part of the Trump Campaign for President. Erickson also sent an email to Rick Dearborn, who was the Senior Adviser to Jeff Sessions. Erickson's email said he could create "a back channel" to the Kremlin so that Trump could communicate directly with Russian President Vladmir Putin. Dearborn forwarded it on May 17, 2016 to Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Jared Kushner, all with the Trump Campaign for President, but not to Sessions. When Trump was elected President, Sessions quit the Senate to become his Attorney General. No long afterward, he recused himself.

This is where Ed Snowden enters the picture. And Assange, too. That makes three people held without a voice. They have information about software that US Intel has that can wiretap anyone using only an email address and a person's phone number. Although Sessions never received the "Kremlin Connection" email, the FBI could wiretap him too because his email address was in Dearborn's list of contacts. The FBI admitted Paul Erickson is their informant in court documents in an unrelated case.

This is what Mueller had when he began his investigation/cover-up. The supporting documents are out there. Anyone can find them.

Looks like Mueller is done with his assignment. They should put a gold star on his forehead and send him home. The American people have their triggers installed for the next election overthrow. Let me guess....

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Wed, 03/06/2019 - 1:54am

I know where the documents can be found.

@snoopydawg

Refresh this page, because I am updating.

So what is Butina's role in this and why was she working with Ericsson and what's the connection with those two with the NRA? Wasn't she just some Russian student who hung out with people from the NRA? What is the real story of why she is in prison? Most of this I haven't heard about. Can you elaborate more on this?

Now, that's a great damn story. Here lies a best seller. We should snatch up the movie rights. Her tiny home town in Siberia is fund raising right now to try to pay her legal expenses and fines.

Erickson was her lover. She had this bright idea about bringing the IRA together with Russians to establish gun rights there in Russia. It was a one-way deal. She put together some small junkets to Russia for the NRA, and she managed to get some Russians invited to a Republican prayer breakfast. She had a friend/mentor at a Russian bank who advised her and gave her some money to pay the expenses. He had Kremlin connections, apparently. She had none. But the assumption was that Butina would eventually have to go through the Russian government to get approval for her big school project in International Relations. (I seriously doubt Russia would approve a gun-rights project. No sensible nation would.) There are tons of documents and letters related to her efforts that can be construed as "spyish." The NRA are know-nothing dolts throughout. They remain clueless and in hiding. Erickson was steering her.

Butina was used by everyone. She had an office next to Susan Rice at American University. Rice was covertly using 72 of her classmates and her to work on the ilegal NSA unmasking of hundreds or thousands of people via Rice's NSA insider connection she had. This was a CIA operation. The students then analyzed each individual American citizen. The reason Butina cannot get out of jail is because she wants to provide the names of all of her classmates to the government, as part of her defense. So, she has written to American University and to Susan Rice but none of them will respond. (Duh. CIA.) Her appointed lawyer has never tried a case before. He's not that kind of lawyer.

The Judge in her case was supposedly appointed at random. Tanya Chutkan is one of 13 judges on the Federal District Court of the District of Columbia. An additional eight work part-time as Senior Judges. However, Judge Chutkan, an Obama appointee, seems to get the "special" cases — like Fusion GPS and the Imran Awan cases. (Note, those folks have been cut loose.) Court-shopping is rigging the system to get one’s legal case steered to the judge most likely to rule in one’s favor. It is only illegal if caught.

Is this how Judge Chutkan got steered the Awan and Fusion GPS cases? The Justice Department gets away with it. But then, Debbie Wasserman Schultz has a brother, Steven, who works as a U.S. Attorney in the Prosecutors’ Office in the District of Columbia. And she is former campaign chairman for the DNC and the Hillary Clinton Campaign for President. She is also the one who gave her passwords to Imran Awan.

Judge Sonya Chutkan is enforcing subpoenas on American University (AU) to release the pictures and names of Mariia’s classmates. AU is fighting the court order to cover up the number of student spies (CIA) enrolled with Butina. Judge Chutkan said during Butina’s plea hearing on Dec. 12th that subpoenas will be enforced in order to avoid a mistrial. The defense said those subpoenas are necessary to Mariia’s defense. If withheld, Chutkan noted it would be grounds for a mistrial and the plea bargain negated.

Butina is under a gag order by the Judge. She is unable to talk to reporters about her case. As if they could visit her in solitary confinement.

Now, out of the blue, it seems, Mariia may have been born in the U.S. in Maryland to an American serviceman. If she is an American citizen, she is innocent of the charge she is pleading guilty to. And so forth.

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"

Submitted by Wink on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 11:18pm

Well, there's always

the offspring!
@Mark from Queens

Chelsea 2024??

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Submitted by on the cusp on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:18pm

Well, gutting the Voting Rights Act

is her reason for losing when taking the podium in a black church.
Now, when in a room full of white MIC types, Russia was the cause.
Who is it out there who is making her relevant?
Why is she even invited to speak?
Who expects to gain from her continued (and annoying) presence?
I can't come up with a good, positive, hopeful, uplifting reason why she is still regarded as a major player.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:27pm

She was at the 50th anniversary of the Selma march

@on the cusp

with Booker and Jackson. There was lots of coverage of her at it. During this time Bernie was marching with MLK and Hillary was a Goldwater girl.
So yeah good question. Why is she relevant to anything in the middle of the election season? I'm still thinking that she is going to be the candidate one way or another.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:47pm

Me too

@snoopydawg

I'm still thinking that she is going to be the candidate one way or another.

The Dems have left the door open for HER and HER is doing more and more of this coy “I’m not campaigning” campaigning. Never mind the “Evening with the Clintons” tour was a flop. I expect to see more and more of this.

Besides, it’s still HER turn until she’s six feet under...

and then it’s Chelsey’s turn. (Gag)

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Submitted by kath on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 9:57pm

Bernie was there at the Selma anniversary thing too,

@snoopydawg
but I suspect that he got little, if any, coverage.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 10:12pm

Since I haven't seen any coverage of him being there

@kath

I'd say that you are right. This must be where he saw Hillary. I read someone bitching on DK that all he did was slightly shake her hand.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Wed, 03/06/2019 - 12:25am

More to the point, Bernie attended

@kath

John Conyers' "basement meetings" about the 2004 election fraud in Ohio. He was the only white federal politician to do so.

Hillary was on the Hill at that time. She did not attend.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 6:51am

The Clintons

@snoopydawg still control the DNC. The change in the super delegate rule could allow her to be nominated without even campaigning. I keep wondering why the Democratic field is filled with so many candidates. Could it be to force the convention into a second round of delegate voting where the super delegates kick in and then the Clintons get to choose whomever they wish via the super delegates?

Personally, I do no believe a damn thing that comes out of Hill or Bill's mouths.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 12:51pm

I have a sick feeling in my stomach

@snoopydawg

That if she were to run, what we saw the last time will seem almost quaint in comparison to the racial ID pol she will surely weaponize for her own benefit running against Trump. No good will come from it. It will be so pervasive and so toxic it will bleed out into all our everyday lives assaulting us with very personal consequences.

She truly is evil.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:19pm

Nobody believes her when she claims she will not run again.

@on the cusp

Submitted by Bollox Ref on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 7:43pm

Her foul persona

undermined her search for votes.

So many stories from Arkansas on, that describe her awful behaviour with regard to 'The Help'. Little Wisconsin and its little people. Little monetary return and too much trouble.

Does she have a hobby (other than gin), to engage with for the rest of her days?

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:06pm

Not to mention using prison labor slaves.

@Bollox Ref

No longer human, Clintons are.

Submitted by on the cusp on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:44pm

She has announced she will add nothing to my

life, and then pretty much demands my vote to add to hers.
And that is perfectly normal in her psychological make up.
Well, not mine.
She is a nut, in my sole and humble opinion.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 6:53am

You are being far too kind

@on the cusp

She is a nut, in my sole and humble opinion.

IMO, she is a sociopath.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 8:58pm

Dear Billary....

Please shut the hell up and go away. While you're at it, take your pawns, Dipshit, Bernie and Pencildick with you before they posthumously kill Rosa Luxemburg all over again.

Sincerely,

An Angry Socialist

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Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Submitted by Dalum Woulu on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 9:50pm

Gollum must have the precious...

And if by some miracle she does not run and did not keel over. She will continue to work to prevent any actual progress and change.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 10:20pm

She's nuts if she actually thinks she's part of

@Dalum Woulu

...the matrix that runs western civilization. She's not even a distant relative of the controlling Families. She's an indoor servant, at best.

She will continue to work to prevent any actual progress and change.

They already got this.

The sun is setting on her influence in the world. She's going to end up sitting in the docket, if she doesn't keep her head down and zip it.

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"

Submitted by janis b on Mon, 03/04/2019 - 10:52pm

Wondering ...

Whenever I consider whether I believe change is possible by voting for president, I keep returning to “why not vote for one of the only two potential winners?“. Since the past election of Trump, and the resulting worse state of affairs, I wonder.

The news of HC speaking to the issue of fair voting, makes me also wonder how it would be advantageous to her and her followers to get more people to trust in voting, and ultimately vote, since she is passe. The past two presidential elections have had about the same number of Democrat voters. Does that number include votes that were not counted? Anyone know? I guess It always comes down to a matter of trust. What happens to the future state of affairs as trust wanes in so many areas of public concern? It’s definitely a question to consider.

I wished that Sanders had run and won as an Independent, and I wish that there were a viable opportunity in America to include a third party. The only spark of hope I sometimes feel is when I reflect on the only options available.

Submitted by mimi on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 12:56am

you are not the only one to feel that way ...

@janis b

I wished that Sanders had run and won as an Independent, and I wish that there were a viable opportunity in America to include a third party.

I guess it's all wishful thinking and pipe dreaming...

Nice to see you again ... hope things are well over at your corner of the world.

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Submitted by janis b on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 1:38am

Hi mimi

@mimi

This corner of the world suits me fine.

We are both living in countries that have adopted MMP. For that much politically, I feel grateful, however imperfect it is.

Sending you southerly warmth and well wishes.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Tue, 03/05/2019 - 12:55pm

I still have the fantasy of her keeling over on stage

In mid sentence, her finger pointing in the air punctuating the brazen lie that just came out of her mouth, and suddenly she stops, crumples to the ground on live TV like yesterday's roadkill and finally we can rejoice. The wicked witch is finally dead. I know that's a horrible thing to say out loud but she is loathsome.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier