Another Declaration of Independence
Thomas Jefferson said that for the good of democracy we need "a little rebellion now and then."
The political system is corrupt, and trying to fix our choices between a hard-right candidate and a fully-fledged fascist.
Nuts to that.
As President Jefferson would suggest, let's rebel instead. Consider signing the Move-on petition below to encourage Sen. Sanders to continue his campaign beyond the primary, if necessary, as an independent.
Make Tom proud!
Subject: Support Bernie Sanders Running as an Independent
Hi,
Due to the undemocratic actions taken by Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Democratic National Committee and because we believe the two party system, corporations, special interest groups, and the wealthy and powerful are corrupting our Democracy, I started this petition requesting that Bernie Sanders run as an Independent in the 2016 Presidential Election. For millions of us, neither party represents our ideals as fully as Senator Bernie Sanders does. This is why he must run as an Independent so we too are represented next year. Otherwise, many of us will be unable to vote for President in next years election.
That's why I signed a petition to Sen. Bernard Sanders (VT-2).
Will you sign this petition? Click here:
http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/support-bernie-sanders?source=s.em....
Thanks!
Comments
I did sign it.
I've donated, tweeted, facebooked, voted, and even rounded up Bernie voters in my family. I hope he runs as an indie, and we can really do #BernieOrBust. I cannot canvas for him. When I run into opposition to what so be plain as the nose on my face, I have a hard time being nice. So for the good of Bernie and planet, I don't phone bank or canvass for Bernie.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I just don't see him doing that
he's a team player, and I believe he has promised not to do it. I believe him.
You can always write-in his name as a protest...
Progressive to the bone.
Team player perhaps, but the team is playing against him
As I've mentioned, Sen. Sanders assumed the game was square. It is not. By chance - but more likely by plan - the media allowed The Drumph to suck all of the media air out of the room, while the DNC fixed the primaries - and now, apparently it's coming out - organized some false-flag operations against the good Senator. Too much is at stake for him not to do this, IMHO.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
I agree
the establishment has essentially rigged our primary, but I still can't see him going back on his word, he's too honest and full of integrity. I believe he was asked in a debate, and squarely said no, but I can't seem to find it... Another point- this scenario works better if the Republicans spilt into two so we don't dilute our side of the ledger, and ironically that just may happen this year. I would sign the petition then.
Edited to add: Doh, missed the reply button- @Szaephod
Progressive to the bone.
I guess it depends on who "our side" is
Anymore, I'm not sure. Of course, the R's are totally bonkers, but is there much left in the DNC that works for 'us?' Why should we (or Sanders) be loyal to them?
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
I would be very surprised
if any of this came as a surprise to Sanders. He knew what he was getting into. I would be very surprised if he ran as an indy.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I would be very surprised if he knew...
the DNC is as corrupt as it is. I think he is shocked and livid about the emerging news about the false-flag operation in NC. It all reeks.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
I spent time at a Sanders rally today
And I have been listening to him for 7 or 8 years possibly longer. He has had a front row seat for all of this corruption. He knows more about the players than most of us dream of. He is nobodies fool. He is not the least bit naive if anything I would call him cynical about the current state of our government.
Whatever he is up to he knows exactly what he is doing.
I think
most of us knew that the DNC and the Clintons were joined at the hip before this election cycle began. I think it is fair to say that Sanders, an extremely astute politician, probably knows more about the workings of the machine than we outsiders do.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I think
most of us knew that the DNC and the Clintons were joined at the hip before this election cycle began. I think it is fair to say that Sanders, an extremely astute politician, probably knows more about the workings of the machine than we outsiders do.
Oops apologies for the duplicate post
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Too hard to do so this late in the game
What with al the deadlines, petitions needed, etc.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Sanders path forward
I hope he will campaign like crazy for progressive candidates for Congress. And important state offices where appropriate.
I don't believe Bernie would run as an Indie.
But I would love to see a MASSIVE petition urging him to anyway. A nice middle finger to the DNC, and a forewarning to them that they'll be stuck lying in the bed that they made when Dem voters don't turn out for The Inevitable One in November.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
MASSIVE petitions begin as light-weights...
This was the only one I could find, and you could add your increment (and a flower dog) ;->. A middle finger to the DNC is a happy mental image.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
THIS:
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Isn't it a little early for that?
He hasn't lost the Dem nom yet. Let's keep pushing for that!
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Planning, planning, planning
A national campaign sans DNC support (e.g. mini-VAN) cannot be conjured over night. The thinking has to begin now, the papers filed in late August, and there are some states that require petitions and signatures, and that's 50 state-houses to deal with.
I agree, he hasn't lost yet, but the odds are very much against him, thanks at least in part, to dirty dealing by the DNC, and a virtual media black-out.
The point I'm trying to make is that the good Senator needs to know he'll have the support of his base for an independent run.
Cheers!
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Bernie is not going to run as an Independent
I'm sorry to have to say it, but this simply won't happen and I sincerely hope that everyone who is supporting Bernie knows that. If he doesn't win the Dem nomination he will concede and most likely say he wants his voters to vote for Hillary Clinton. This doesn't mean we have to do that, of course, and I plan to still write him in regardless. But, he is not going to make an indy run. He said in the beginning he wasn't interested in doing that, he called it "being a spoiler" and said he would not do anything that might help an extreme right-wing republican win the presidency. He decided to run as a Democrat for that reason.
Two, he is not naive, he did not "assume the game was square" at the start or that the DNC or Clintons were on the up-and-up. If he did, then he was the fool they claimed he was. I think saying he was duped by the Democrats is not a strong basis from which to reverse course and go back on his word. It makes him seem like a lightweight if he was fooled by them after so many years in congress. Do you really believe that? I don't. Bernie said from the start that the game is rigged and he is more than aware that what he calls the billionaire class control the establishment of both major parties. He still made the choice to run within the party.
If he loses, he goes back to the Senate and works on doing his job, caucusing with the Democrats as he always has. And make firey speeches like he always has. But he has a lot bigger megaphone now, and he can press for his movement to send better people there to work with him and change things. He can encourage that, but he is not going to undercut the Democrats now. He has worked with them for decades in congress, that is not going to change next year -- unless he wins the presidency, of course.
Bernie is not the savior. If Hillary becomes president we will need the movement to be alive and kicking hard. It cannot depend on Bernie being president. And I expect that he will take the same position.
I remember him saying this
but he said that much before all the damnable dirty tricks came down the pike. Still, that's a part of politics overall, so that in and of itself should not prompt him to run as an indie--but it occurred to me if someone else gets in first as an Indie, Sanders should too. Why the hell not? If there's already a spoiler, I'm not sure how it hurts to try. If he loses, he's still a Senator, right?
With all due respect….
You do not know what is going to happen, and you shouldn't hope that others share your opinion - sorry, but that's fatuous.
Sanders' movement exists only because he's been able to raise over $100M as part of his presidential campaign. Without that, or without him continuing in the race the movement is in severe jeopardy, just like OWS was, without the momentum of media - and that requires either novelty (which fades rapidly) or money (which never fades.)
A 'movement' will be up against the establishment, which has nearly infinite power and influence. IMHO, the only way to combat it is from the top. The bottom is too easily squashed and/or quashed. Would that it were not so, but I'm afraid it is.
Regards
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Bernie Gave His Word
that he would not run as an Independent and I am not going to ask him to break it. How about we ask him to continue the Revolution as the most powerful US Senator if he doesn't win the nomination?
Hey! You got me to post for the first time
Well, since I got your dander up - to reply - I'll reply to you!
Hi Diane,
Yes, Sen. Sanders said that he wouldn't do that, but as I'm mentioned a number of times, he did so when he thought he'd be playing a fair game. He's not been playing a fair game however. The media and the DNC have been running a crooked table, and now with the revelation of a false-flag operation in NC, I think Sen. Sanders has been effectively relieved of that commitment. IMHO.
Cheers!
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
I'm with you ... we can see how the DNC and
the corporate media have all but scuppered Sanders' campaign from the get-go.
This time, people are waking up to the fact that the system is rigged.
tRump supportments, in my opinion, are angry because they are not a part of the system or they want to take it over
Sanders' supportments, on the other hand, want to change the system and make it better for everybody ...
Trump v Sanders is the conversation America needs to have. There is no "conversation" with Clinton v tRump. It's all fear. I am telling you, Clinton supporters are more deranged than Sanders' supporters as they still think Democrats = good Republicans = bad. They do not yet see that they are BOTH equally bad.
This is why Sanders should run as an independent IF, say he wins more delegates than Clinton but the superdees stand in the way of his nomination. I could totally see him running as an indie at that point. Because there is no way on god's green earth that Sanders' supporters, except a few Democratic party loyalists, are going to vote for an unindicted oligarch.
That just ain't gonna happen. I've said on DKOS and I'll say it here, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination and tries to get his supporters to vote for Clinton, they will respectfully decine. "I love you Bernie, but don't ask me to vote for a corrupt, neoliberal war monger under FBI investigation."
That's how that conversation will go.
Signed, tweeted and FaceBooked
GO BERNIE!
Damn. Our caucus is next Saturday .... squeeeee