While Everyone Was Crying Over Alex Jones
I posted a couple of videos on this morning's open thread, but I think they bear posting in their own essay as well.
People seem to conveniently forget that capitalist corporations are the ones de-platforming Alex Jones, not the government. You wanna see actual government censorship? Well, there's Pravda Media:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijAdEx7FJbE]
From their Go Fund Me page:
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Pravda Media has been essentially non-operational for the past four months because of financial issues which arose after our main bank account was frozen pending an overtly political investigation into our identities, finances and the nature of our project due to material sold which defended and advocated for enemies of U.S. imperialism under sanction. By the time the bank investigation was complete, we were behind on a large number of orders and owed back payments on business services utilized by Pravda such as email service, marketing, etc. At this point we had disabled our checkout system as to not add to the amount of backorders already accumulated and worsen the financial situation. On top of all of this we recently discovered that our project is in even more jeopardy because of the threat of lawsuit due to our default on a business loan used to buy a small amount of inventory after the account freeze-- having not expected the amount of damage the investigation would do to our operation. These are the most pertinent facts.
Meanwhile in Britain....
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZIfDSkCiv0]
Here we see some Fascists from Make Britain Great Again, UKIP and the EDL disrupting business at Bookmarks, a UK socialist publisher during closing time.
More on the attack:
After last weekend's attack by right-wing thugs on @Bookmarks_books, I visited to show solidarity. Bought an Orwell tea towel! pic.twitter.com/D0Ht2rgME1
— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) August 8, 2018
And for good measure, I'd just like to post this:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlaoeFOX9k]
Remember this shit as some of you continue to defend the far-right on the grounds of 'free speech' instead of confronting them. They'll never do the same for you.
Comments
I'm no fan of Alex nor Nazis
But I think the first amendment gives them the right to speak their lies.
Free speech insures the right of those with whom we disagree. It is a slippery slope...corporate censorship. And in Julian's case government censorship.
you simply can't have selective free speech - his views are allowed, hers are not - doesn't work.
I'm a member of the Friends committee. They recently sent me a sticker that says -
Love Thy Neighbor
No Exceptions!
Same kinda thing - free speech means free speech for all.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
No one is defending the far right
In two separate posts I explained why every one of us should be concerned about the so called "private corporations' censoring free speech. I also defended the principle of free speech for every one including those with whom I disagree or find odious. I am copying both of my comments as they are self explanatory and I stand firmly behind them both.
I am copying them because I find many people here do not read links before responding or passing judgment.
Comment # 1:
Comment #2 regarding how the US government is using private corporations to get around the First Amendment:
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
And as I've tried to explain in numerous posts....
These assholes need to be confronted and scattered to the winds, quickly. Otherwise, this. Will. Get. Worse.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
The position of Demanding Fundemental Rights
occasionally means one has to defend someone you find abhorrent, with the full knowledge they would never return the favor.
Rush Limbaugh and privacy of medical records.
Larry Flint and pornography.
An individuals right to boycott any country or product. Internationally we use financial as a form of financial boycott.
Loss of a right will begin with someone or a position most people dislike or fear. There are few true champions of Rights. Many people consider them a tool to fight those they disagree and the target is someone from the other side. Or not effecting them individually since they have nothing fear because thy belong to the current majority.
It is a normal progression for our government to move from monitoring citizens on social media (note date of article 2010) to doing test runs of manipulations to monitor effectiveness of their actions.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Alex Jones and his ilk don't believe in fundamental rights.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Freedom of speech is a fundemetal right.
They will gain immense power if free speech of everyone is lost. How are you going to fight to regain the power to voice your opinion of an unapproved thought or message without free speech?
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
What free speech?
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Who here is doing this?
In my comment last night in the EBs I highlighted the area that says that it is corporate censorship. See? I do understand this.
Or this?
Not one person has apologized to the far right. Look people have explained their thoughts on the corporate censorship of Jones and yet you continue to dismiss them. And then keep moving the goal posts or posting straw man points.
I get it. You say that the government is full of PIGS. Fine.But I would appreciate it if you would respect people's opinions on this.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Are you being censored?
question everything
I'd rather have Alex Jones spouting his BS lies,
than FB, Google and our corrupt politicians teaming up to censor our information. Alex Jones is now more popular than ever before. If you want to make something alluring, ban it.
I totally agree with this. But, there is a difference. Once upon a time, they had to pretend to be fair and credible businessmen. Now, it is all blatant might makes right.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Alex Jones is one of theirs. He always was. Always will be.
And besides, left-wing ideology has been more or less illegal since the days of Eugene Debs, yet the pigs, along with their government, have managed to suppress it for just as long with a few blips here and there. Remember Occupy Wall Street? The pigs shut that down real quick.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Someone posted
If I can Get the Word, others can too. I don't know why it doesn't it happen.
I do know that shittin' on people won't make it happen any faster.
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
The idiocy of this post...
lies in its utter lack of awareness that crackdowns on far right and far left speech are both part and parcel of the establishment strategy to silence opposing views regardless of where they originate.
Attempting to qualitatively judge who deserves to be censored and who doesn't is a fool's errand that only serves to justify censoring of ALL dissenting voices.
Way to play into their hands.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Well stated
Thank you!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Amen! Apparently someone doesn’t
understand the 1st Amendment OR the danger of selective censorship.
EDIT: cendorship/censorship
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I believe your edit
question everything
Oh please. The pigs have always been selective
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
So we should do more of it? That’ll fix it! /s
You are absolutely wrong on this issue. Once jerks like Jones gets censored, NO ONE and NO ORGANIZATION will be safe. There will be ‘reasons’ to shut down everything that goes against what TPTB think we should read, watch, or know about. We should be fighting AGAINST censorship, not calling for more of it.
People here have tried to explain it to you. Too bad you don’t see how foolish your OP is.
Sounds like a really great plan. /s
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
You want to fight censorship? Fine. Reject capitalism.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Okay Sunshine. Whatever you say.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Except....these assholes don't oppose the far-right.
He's a pig, just like them. If you think that's opposition, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Amen X 2! I'm debating whether
or not I should post WJC's call for creating a "Ministry Of Truth"--the video has already been disabled on some websites, disappeared on others. (I'm afraid that if I do, the written word will also disappear.) BTW, Jones posted the video on his website--I know, because I landed on his site when I was searching for the video months after the interview was aired on CNBC. On his site, you could 'see' the video, but, it had been disabled--something about 3rd Party rights, etc.
Censorship is 'not' new. Case in point, I had a C-Span video--of a former Senator talking about slashing 'entitlements' at a Pete Petersen shindig--that was locked, or disabled after I posted it at a progressive blog. And, that's C-Span, for cryin' out loud! It wasn't blocked to only the general public, it was disabled in my own account--and I'm the one who created/clipped it from the original forum video.
Hey, 'to each, their own,' but, I truly think folks who back censorship are very much misguided.
Remember, "First they came for the Socialists . . ."
Mollie/Blue Onyx (reverting to former handle)
"Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong."
~~W. R. Purche
"In a World where you can be anything--be kind."
~~LCC Comfort Dogs
And for a touch of snark,
No Labels -- "Civility's our Name; Austerity's our Game."
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Bingo!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
And how much farther to the right must 'acceptable'
Fuck that. We've never had freedom of speech, and we never will because the left isn't profitable (The Gentricratic imperialists using their skin color and genitals to drag this country ever-rightward don't fuckin' count, no matter what the White Right screams).
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
You are still moving the goalposts
and dismissing people's comments.
Again I'll say that no one here is saying that it was the government that censored Jones. But they can get the social media sites to do it for them. And whether Jones would defend our rights or not is immaterial.
Which assholes are you talking about and how will we do that?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Corporations and the Government are one.
And by the way, Jones and his ilk celebrated while lefties were de-platformed. If you'd rather bow and apologize to them no matter what stupid, heinous shit they say and do, that's your business.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
This wasn't your original statement
This was.
Now you're saying that there is no daylight between them. See? Goalpost moving! As is this.
If you are going to throw out accusations then the rules are that you need to back them up. This is my last response to you.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
lol - so many assholes, more than we can count.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Alex Jones is a test
"Everyone" hates Alex Jones. No one will complain when the corporations shut him down.
And his million fans? Well they'll blame the "far left snowflakes" that are the new font of all evil. (and they are sort of right, just sort of, which is the real danger)
Next they'll shut down RT, because their leaders are really the corruptocrats. (as you noted, Obama started it)
Eventually it will be "patriotic" to denounce the 1st Ammendment, because only white supremacists and "russsian agents" are it's suporters. We see that with the 2nd. The only people who support the 2nd ammendment are "gun nuts", not hunters or target shooters, only the worst. The worst turned it that way - with corporate support.
That's what happens when you think that people only need to be protected from abusive government - corporations will take advantage. Capitalism has to expand; but once you have all the money you have to expand in other areas, like controling people.
On to Biden since 1973
I agree. No one owes InfoWars a living
FB, YouTube and other social media sites have corporate brands to protect. They don't want to be associated with InfoWars which is a dog whistle media site supporting the views of racists, xenophobes, hate groups, citizen militia and other whackjobs.
"While Everyone Was Crying Over Alex Jones"?
Because even here there are Trump supporters, most cleverly disguising themselves posting content that is intended to legitimize Trump.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Can you give us some examples?
“Because even here there are Trump supporters, most cleverly disguising themselves posting content that is intended to legitimize Trump.”
Maybe you just don’t understand that no one here supports Trump, they’re just appalled by a candidate, a sitting president, and the intelligence community trying to rig an election.
EDIT: din’t/don’t
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
The Con usually goes like this
We all know Hillary is a crook (well documented). So they post a diary that rags on Hillary supporters. Then they show how Trump is tied to something that is against the Hillary crowd. Assuming the reader will subliminally make the connection that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I think Hillary hatred distorts reality here sometimes
It sometimes causes people to forget that Trump is the President, he is the one that is making all the awful, medieval decisions that have been distracting us all day long, every day. Trump is all about prodding us to fight each other and it has nothing to do with being a leader and getting us all to work together to solve the problems we have to solve now, before its too late. Hillary (and Obama) play a big role in the propaganda used to get us fighting each other. No excuses for Trump and his moral pygmies.
Beware the bullshit factories.
They're all members of the same club.
At the end of the day, they all serve the capitalist machine. Nothing we say or do will impact where their loyalties actually lay.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Sounds like a shitty club
A bunch of greedy members publicly spewing bile and venom at each other with no regard to the cost of lives and livelihoods. Who'd want want to be a member of that club?
Beware the bullshit factories.
Yep. You got me.
I admit I'm secretly a Trump plant infiltrating this site on behalf of my KGB masters to sow dissension by promoting everyone's right to free speech.
Quite right...why won't anyone think of those poor corporations? After all, imagine the travesty if the CIA lost taxpayer money on its social engineering investments?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Your comment is totally off the topic of what was
originally stated which was this.
Whether or not people here are Trump supporters has nothing to do with Jones being kicked off the social media sites. And no one has said that it was the government that did it. Many people who have commented in this essay have stated that, but Aspie keeps changing his original position.
Besides. If someone does like what Trump is doing then they are perfectly welcome to say it here.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.