@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Hear hear! I've always said endorsing The Clinton Creature was the ultimate White Privilege gesture-- presumably (or one would've been crazy otherwise) one had health care, a good job, kids in legacy schools or out of them, $$$, LOVED NPR, etc etc (unless one was among the subset at TOP, the fanatical ones, who loved to post soft-pornish, airbrushed pix of HER from their 'safe space').

This of course belies the fact that at its heart, the concept of Democracy implies compassion/empathy for those sans health, a good job, kids in legacy schools or out of them, $$$, to whom NPR et al are totally irrelevant (as they should be). But no! Never mind the disenfranchised! It was HER TURN, dammit!And how pleasant to have a woman president! Who cares about war, regime change, income inequality, fracking, for-profit prisons, pay to play, corruption, Wall Street/corporate legislation, and all the other nastiness Clinton INC has brought to town since they slithered into town 30 years ago? I believe I mentioned this on TOP pre-Ides of March fascist edicts-- and how how the flying monkeys descended!!!!

#3 Feminism (n): Upper-middle-class and upper-class girls should have all the opportunities their brothers and fathers do.

@Alphalop The problem is that wiping out the Clintons won't get rid of the real problem which was Reagan.

Wipe out Reagan, of course, and they'd just have found another Nice Looking face, and Frankly I don't want Fred MacMurray to be the face of Evil in the 2oth century.

Wipe out Bush... we might be in a better spot. CIA under a director with Morals might have rejected many of Bush's plans. Not saying it WOULD have, but that's a strong possibility.

#5 #5

Video I had an urge to pull a Stewie and build a time machine?

Not for anything scientific or noble.

I simply want to go back in time and push both their pregnant mothers down the closest flight of stairs...

If it does I'm ok with that, I just wanted to know where I stand...

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

the family breadwinner he wilted into the background. She became the head of the ‘two-for-the-price-of-one’ partnership of grift, graft, and sleaze. Especially since she knows all his secrets. And I'm sure there’s plenty of them.

I could be wrong. He does seem to ‘center’ his life around monkey’ business while she’s strictly in the busness of money and power hustling. There is a reason he left Arkansas with the nickname Slick Willie. Maybe that’s always been his #1 priority. Just because he’s a Rhodes Scholar doesn’t mean he isn’t stupid. You can train a chimp to light a stick of dynamite with a match, but that doesn’t make said monkey a demolitions expert. Maybe Slick was simply trainable.

What a repulsive and repugnant pair. Or as Bob Hubert said back in 2001...

The Clintons are a terminally unethical and vulgar couple, and they've betrayed everyone who has ever believed in them.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2001/02/26/opinion/in-america-cut-him-loose.html

#5 Agree with you on everything but Bill. I don't think he's the dominant one anymore, if he ever was.

@Wink If I remember there were enough small rallies the Clinton staff had rules like to collect cell phones so no pictures of the rally.

used in that piece
#6
Hillary must've been at a Bernie rally!
She never had crowds that big.

@snoopydawg
to carry out instructions from and for her masters. That about sums Her up.

#6

It's good for a laugh for the final reason why Her lost

Hillary Clinton’s Self-Defeating Triangulation

In an election as strange as 2016’s, there are any number of factors one could point to as to why Clinton lost the election, all of which Clinton herself and her backers will be happy to tell you about. There’s James Comey and the FBI, Russia, sexism, Bernie Sanders, the Left, Jill Stein, her own campaign team, as well as numerous others. it was none of those things because It was the lack of any coherent program for the country.

But even among the lengthy list of failings outlined the book, one stands out as particularly flabbergasting: Clinton’s, and by extension her campaign’s, failure to formulate an actual vision for her campaign and presidency.

This may not seem a particularly groundbreaking conclusion for those who have spent time picking over post-mortems of the Clinton campaign. Despite Clinton’s reputation as a detail-driven wonk, a Wesleyan University study found that Clinton’s campaign ads were less policy-focused than any candidate in the past four races (including Trump) and that 90 percent of them focused on attacking Trump as an individual.

Clinton herself would frequently shift her positions over the course of her campaign (in one debate, she came out for the $15 minimum wage despite her previous opposition to it, then almost immediately modulated her position after the debate), leading many to suspect she was more interested in simply winning the presidency than enacting any kind of coherent agenda.

When he (Bernie) launched his campaign, his speech underlined the importance of creating an economy that worked for all Americans, not just a handful of billionaires — the very message he would stubbornly hammer throughout the campaign that excited so many people.

By contrast, Clinton “didn’t really have a rationale” for running, we’re told.

Weren't we told over and over again that Hillary was the most qualified candidate evah to run for president and that she had thee most progressive platform evah?

While over the past few decades, workers have been increasingly shafted, poverty has exploded, and Americans continue to be bankrupted or killed by what can only generously be described as a health care “system,” Clinton couldn’t understand why people were so angry. Six months in, “she still didn’t grasp the underlying sentiments of the electorate.” “What is the appeal of a Sanders?” she wondered. Nearly a year in, she confessed to an aide: “I don’t understand what’s happening with the country. I can’t get my arms around it.”

The book shows how this lack of political perception, combined with Clinton’s reflexive centrism, created a perfect storm of self-defeating triangulation. Pressed to come out strong against the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) during a March economic speech in Detroit, she instead touted a “clawback” proposal to yank away corporate tax breaks for companies that offshored jobs, and buried the TPP in a single mention later in the speech. Advised by Tony Blair that “the Left would lose if it ran a ‘base’ election,” she fretted about moving leftward. She only reluctantly added Elizabeth Warren to her vice presidential shortlist, but, uncomfortable with Warren’s criticisms of Obama and looking for “someone who saw the world in a similar way,” she chose Tim Kaine, whose dullness was his chief benefit.

When your campaign staff has to come up with ideas for why you wanted to be president, well that's just sad. I'd think that it would be the candidate's job to do that.

Her campaign finally did come up with a reason for why she should be the next president and not Trump: Fall back on something that worked before.

It all reached its logical conclusion with the campaign’s desperate, eleventh-hour resort to explicitly modelling its message on 1950s Republican Red Scare tactics, tying Trump to Russian president Vladimir Putin. “If the public saw Trump putting Russian interests above American sovereignty, Hillary’s aides thought, the story had the potential to break his back,” write Allen and Parnes. “After all, in the Red Scare days, Republicans had portrayed liberals Democrats as un-American in unflinching terms.” We can thus trace the current Cold War–like Russo-hysteria that has engulfed liberals and Democrats since the election directly to the Clinton campaign.

That's a wrap! This is why this country has been made hysterical about Russia destroying our very democratic values. Hillary needed a reason for why she wanted to be president.

@Ellen North

I feel your Stein pain.

#8

Hillary is the only woman Presidential candidate.

Dr. Jill Stein doesn't count as as a woman Presidential candidate any more than Bernie nomination votes/voters were counted.

So there!

@Alphalop
As long as we don't veer into war crimes, becoming that which we oppose.

#12

And we need more people spreading the fire and getting pissed off.

Taking "The high road" only works if the other side actually gave a shit.

They don't.

Screw politeness, we are at war and during war niceties towards the enemy is counter productive.

Just my pissed off opinion.

@Alphalop

spreading ‘the fire’ in a way that informs and motivates others to ‘fight’ back. I think about the massive number of people Sanders energised with his message and style of delivery. He expressed great anger, and made it clear where he felt it should be directed, but he stuck with the issues and didn’t make it personal which might have detracted from the message itself.

#12

And we need more people spreading the fire and getting pissed off.

Taking "The high road" only works if the other side actually gave a shit.

They don't.

Screw politeness, we are at war and during war niceties towards the enemy is counter productive.

Just my pissed off opinion.

@Snode

those people brought to their knees, but unfortunately that probably wouldn’t change your situation. They still wouldn’t be capable of understanding or appreciating your suffering, because they have no respect of any kind. I think it would be heartbreaking if they took our sense of self-respect away.

#12 but I'm not. The way I look at it, we are at war. It's a class war, and most of us have been losing, every skirmish, every battle. We trusted these democrats, these traitors, who profited while bringing me, and people I care about to their knees. And they are still doing it today. I envy your ability to to look beyond, but I can't, I'm still living the harm they caused. As long as they still breathe I wish nothing more than to see their downfall, to see them on their knees, to know what it's like to live like the rest of us.

@Mark from Queens

Never to forgive, never to accept!

#12 @mimi
Hey there lovely folks.

First heard this quote from Hedges and it's one of my favorite:

“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage.
Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”

I think if you look inside MLK's evolved and deeply humane preaching there's a definitive core of anger at the insane institution of racist policies that imprisoned and justified indiscriminate killing his people. How could there not be anger at the heart of it? For larger society it is the motivating factor of disgust and anger at the greed, caprice and sociopathy of the rulers, coupled with love and compassion for the oppressed, that puts us into action.

Without getting heavy into it because I don't have the time, many of my favorite human beings were driven by righteous anger and fits of rage, including John Lennon, Mark Twain, Bill Hicks, George Carlin, etc.

It's paradoxical in a way. The anger I think (for me anyway) comes from knowing that we all know these things on a fundamental level (i.e. universality of life's societal problems/solutions, there's an unnecessary rat race devouring us, that we're not able to spend time with friends and family as much as we'd like because of it, etc). But we're blinded and misguided by propaganda to pit us against one another. It's out of a love for humanity, one's fellow travelers, that we even care in the first place. It's driven by a wish to see come to fruition another world that is possible, not only for ourselves but the people around us similarly struggling and often forced into degrading and compromised positions just in order to survive. That makes me (us) angry. That we know it's within our grasp as humanity.

The kind of righteous indignation we have here helps articulates the problem as a systemic one, and hopefully galvanizes people to recognize the source of their malaise so that they (we)'re not walking around depressed like we've brought it onto ourselves because of something we did individually.

I like this quote too:

"Human history began with an act of disobedience, and it is not unlikely that it will be terminated by an act of obedience."
Erich Fromm

I think it was Lewis Lapham who said that democracy is troublemaking. Disobey, subvert, don't comply.

Throw proverbial rocks at institutions, lying politicians and the status quo. That's how I understand it.

@Mark from Queens

I think it is clear that we all wish for greater justice and dignity for ourselves and others, and that as individuals we have individual ways of trying to achieve that. What really matters is that we all have uniquely good intentions.

“Oh sorry, I was taking life seriously.”
― Bill Hicks

#12 @mimi
Hey there lovely folks.

First heard this quote from Hedges and it's one of my favorite:

“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage.
Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”

I think if you look inside MLK's evolved and deeply humane preaching there's a definitive core of anger at the insane institution of racist policies that imprisoned and justified indiscriminate killing his people. How could there not be anger at the heart of it? For larger society it is the motivating factor of disgust and anger at the greed, caprice and sociopathy of the rulers, coupled with love and compassion for the oppressed, that puts us into action.

Without getting heavy into it because I don't have the time, many of my favorite human beings were driven by righteous anger and fits of rage, including John Lennon, Mark Twain, Bill Hicks, George Carlin, etc.

It's paradoxical in a way. The anger I think (for me anyway) comes from knowing that we all know these things on a fundamental level (i.e. universality of life's societal problems/solutions, there's an unnecessary rat race devouring us, that we're not able to spend time with friends and family as much as we'd like because of it, etc). But we're blinded and misguided by propaganda to pit us against one another. It's out of a love for humanity, one's fellow travelers, that we even care in the first place. It's driven by a wish to see come to fruition another world that is possible, not only for ourselves but the people around us similarly struggling and often forced into degrading and compromised positions just in order to survive. That makes me (us) angry. That we know it's within our grasp as humanity.

The kind of righteous indignation we have here helps articulates the problem as a systemic one, and hopefully galvanizes people to recognize the source of their malaise so that they (we)'re not walking around depressed like we've brought it onto ourselves because of something we did individually.

I like this quote too:

"Human history began with an act of disobedience, and it is not unlikely that it will be terminated by an act of obedience."
Erich Fromm

I think it was Lewis Lapham who said that democracy is troublemaking. Disobey, subvert, don't comply.

Throw proverbial rocks at institutions, lying politicians and the status quo. That's how I understand it.