The democrats who voted to confirm Gina Haspel for CIA director

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 05/16/2018 - 11:00pm

There is a huge stain on this country that will never wash off because of the people who committed torture. For failure to prosecute the people who committed torture. For the democrats who voted to reward the person who oversaw torture to be the CIA director.

BREAKING NEWS: Enough brave Democrats are backing Gina Haspel to confirm her. Great to see such bi-partisan support for torture.#TheResistance #OwnedTogether #TortureIsFine https://t.co/SvDHV2KcZk

— Peter Douche's Liaison (@SilERabbit) May 15, 2018

Thankfully Donnelly & Heitkamp were unopposed in their primary and the MSM pretended Manchin ran unopposed so they could #ResistTrump by supporting his pick for child rape, rectal feeding, 2 weeks in stress positions, death by hypothermia & more!
THREAD https://t.co/gx7PF7hMF7

— Kris #WASF (@KrisK75USMC) May 16, 2018

Clicking on the embedded graphic in the second tweet brings up this thread reader.

Here's a very bad taste of what is in it ...

"hello I am processing my outrage at @SenateDems over their failure to vote together and #BlockHaspel and I think I'm going to tweet one fact from the torture report for every Democrat who comes out in support of Haspel is anyone with me on this?
OK, here we go."

A favored tactic of the CIA was to tell detainees they would kill their children or rape their mothers in front of them. This happened in the site Haspel oversaw.

Sen_JoeManchin was the first Dem to support Haspel:

The CIA had this black site called the Salt Pit/COBALT which was "a dungeon." No lights, constant loud music, only buckets for bathrooms.

SenDonnelly was the 2nd Dem to announce support for Haspel.

This one's difficult. A man named Gul Rahman was was beaten, stripped naked and chained to a concrete floor by the CIA.

They found him dead in his cell hours later, from hypothermia.

Today MarkWarner announced his support for Haspel:

Many were shackled to a bar over their head, unable to sit/sleep. One interrogator found a man in that standing position who had been chained there 17 days "as far as we could determine"

SenatorHeitkamp announced her support for Haspel today:

The CIA also sexually assaulted detainees. They called it "rectal feeding" or "rectal exams conducted with excessive force" and it left one man, Mustafa al-Hawsawi, with a torn rectum.

SenBillNelson became the 5th Dem to back Haspel today:

Of course it wasn't only the democrats who voted for Bloody Gina. Many republicans did too and she tells us who they are. The confirmation hearing now goes on to see which members of congress are okay with not prosecuting Gina and others for committing torture which is against both US and international law and should be prosecuted as a war crime!

Please read the rest of the thread reader.

Is there any possibility that a new Nuremberg trial will be held one day for the war crimes that this country has committed? Let's hope so because no one should be allowed to skate on war crimes. No matter who commits them.

h/t wotb

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 05/16/2018 - 11:13pm

How is that Resistance going?

You're condemning all because of "some"... Not even subtle concern trolling.

— Laurence Lewis (@TurkanaDK) May 15, 2018

Maybe there will be some democrats who won't vote for Gina. This will allow the hope to continue.

Yay! Go Team Blue

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Submitted by MrWebster on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:31pm

Greenwald called dems rotating villains?

@snoopydawg I forgot what Glenn Greenwald called it but he described how democrats get away with stopping progressive policies by rotating reps. who had to, just had to, vote against the policy.

BTW the tweet from LL. He had a diary had said the democratic party urgently needed Hillary Clinton back in the saddle being active in all sorts of things. She is such a powerful voice.

Yah, while in Australia making money off book/speech tour, she blamed those voters who voted for Obama twice but not her of falling for fake news like the His Popeness endorsing Trump.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:15pm

Rotating villains, indeed

@MrWebster

It took me a long time to figure that they were doing this. Always just one or two would vote with the republicans to make sure that the vote passed and for some reason Reid, Pelosi or Schumer couldn't stop them from doing it.

The Clinton Creature is in New Zealand now getting them to cough up $5.5 million for her foundation. Yep. They, Australia and many other countries have been donating millions to her foundation for years. Some did it during her time as SOS and then they got weapons sold to them.

Right now the kos kids are giving Trump hell and accusing him of pay to play politics which it appears he is doing with China, but every time I see a diary on it I scream out, "that is exactly what Hillary did but you all acted like she didn't do that." If someone wanted a meeting with her at the state department she ignored them until they made a donation to her foundation first. Judicial watch has lots of emails about that on their site.

This is who Lawrence wants to lead the DP? Alrighty then.

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Submitted by MrWebster on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:56pm

The legal rules of the Kangaroo Court

@snoopydawg The methods of citing "evidence" to convict the Russians and Trump would have put Clinton in jail by now if they were used on the Clinton Foundation and her actions as Secretary of State. Money goes into the Clinton Foundation (and also Bill's speeches/pockets), and favors flow out of Hillary's State Department--but oh no, there is no proof of wrong doing. Putin sits at Jill Stein's table and this absolutely proves she is a traitor and colluded with Putin.

Here is where Greenwald writes about "Villain Rotation:
https://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 2:07am

Respecting our shared humanity

isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Anyone who prevaricates on who does and does not 'deserve' to be treated as a human being, slanders their very own humanity.

As far as the confirmation hearings go, all I can say is that it is is a disgusting display of egregious power grabbing and criminal war crimes for all the world to see.

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Submitted by mimi on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 4:44am

I try to relate the paragraph in my comment below to Germany

There is a huge stain on this country that will never wash off because of the people who committed torture. For failure to prosecute the people who committed torture

...
who committed the torture, who oversaw it, who ordered it, who got prosecuted for it, can you prosecute the population of a whole country?
...
I guess it's a bit difficult. In the sixties the Germans protested and marched against the failure of the German government to exclude those Nazi leaders, who could easily be identified to belong to the elite among the Nazis as having been more responsible for murdering millions of Jews than the common German folks.
...
Despite the Nuremberg trials there was no way to "hold the majority of Nazis involved in the holocaust" accountable.
...
What happened in the next fifty years? We have the same shit back in the political leadership. Feeding the same brown sauce of hate propaganda to the public, all been silently accepted and/or ignored, because of 'free speech rights'. Merkel just yesterday totally ignored a provocation of a right-wing new leadership woman, foaming hate speech out at the Bundestag. She did this on purpose, because argueing against it would just have heated the conversation around such despicable bullshit that came out of the mouth of that woman. (Really, as a woman, I feel often so appalled about what my 'so-called sisters' spit out).
...
Just saying, washing off stains isn't easy, mostly, if you try to wash off one stain, the next stain is on the horizon. Lots of washing off required. It's washing day everyday to come, and as one poor, old Berlin lady in my neighborhood back in the seventies, who had been a "washing lady" by profession, said once to me that she can't be grateful enough for the invention of washing machines. She showed me her hands and they were marked by years of washing stains out of clothes by hand.

Stains, imho, are on individual people, and it's humanely understandable, that folks put stains on a country as a whole.

But all you can do is holding them accountable (hopefully) one person at a time. The Americans did their best they could back then when they engaged in the Nuremberg trials. The stain on the German nation is never "forgotten". Any person can pull out the stains any time they want. It's easy. Too easy, but that's why it's done. And it doesn't change a bit and doesn't work.

Just my two cents. YMMV. Peace.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Fri, 05/18/2018 - 1:38pm

I am always appreciative

@mimi

Of your uncanny ability to draw correllaries between essay subjects and Germany.

There is a huge stain on this country that will never wash off because of the people who committed torture. For failure to prosecute the people who committed torture ... who committed the torture, who oversaw it, who ordered it, who got prosecuted for it, can you prosecute the population of a whole country? ... I guess it's a bit difficult. In the sixties the Germans protested and marched against the failure of the German government to exclude those Nazi leaders, who could easily be identified to belong to the elite among the Nazis as having been more responsible for murdering millions of Jews than the common German folks. ... Despite the Nuremberg trials there was no way to "hold the majority of Nazis involved in the holocaust" accountable. ... What happened in the next fifty years? We have the same shit back in the political leadership. Feeding the same brown sauce of hate propaganda to the public, all been silently accepted and/or ignored, because of 'free speech rights'. Merkel just yesterday totally ignored a provocation of a right-wing new leadership woman, foaming hate speech out at the Bundestag. She did this on purpose, because argueing against it would just have heated the conversation around such despicable bullshit that came out of the mouth of that woman. (Really, as a woman, I feel often so appalled about what my 'so-called sisters' spit out). ... Just saying, washing off stains isn't easy, mostly, if you try to wash off one stain, the next stain is on the horizon. Lots of washing off required. It's washing day everyday to come, and as one poor, old Berlin lady in my neighborhood back in the seventies, who had been a "washing lady" by profession, said once to me that she can't be grateful enough for the invention of washing machines. She showed me her hands and they were marked by years of washing stains out of clothes by hand. Stains, imho, are on individual people, and it's humanely understandable, that folks put stains on a country as a whole. But all you can do is holding them accountable (hopefully) one person at a time. The Americans did their best they could back then when they engaged in the Nuremberg trials. The stain on the German nation is never "forgotten". Any person can pull out the stains any time they want. It's easy. Too easy, but that's why it's done. And it doesn't change a bit and doesn't work. Just my two cents. YMMV. Peace.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:15am

We are the terrorists, even if not in theory, in fact.

That the population can possibly continue to see the United States as "the good guys" is a testimony to the prescience of Orwell's 1984. Up is now down.

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Submitted by eyo on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:52am

Unsurprisingly typical output from the Plutocracy

But keep voting for them, some day things will change? NOPE

Every citizen voting for a D or an R is voting for a party whose members support torture to get what they want. "That's the system". Flush it I say, and keep flushing until the sick bastards are all gone. No more career politicians, vote the bums out!

Nobody 2018
Peace and Freedom
Green Party
say yes to sustainable life
say NO to the death merchants

peace

Submitted by Alphalop on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:32am

I am starting to think they the best outcome

Both for the world as well as ourselves individually would be for the US to have a Soviet Union style collapse at the federal level and that it fragments out to around 7 new affiliated independent nations.

Our government is wholly corrupt, unwieldy, unresponsive and uninterested in improving the lives of its citizens and is a destabilizing force on the planet...

Many people need to end up in jail but never will. It's almost enough to make me wish there really was an afterlife just so I knew these evil fucks would pay for their actions.

But there's not, so I guess I'll have to pray to the anger of the mob and the Guillotine...

I fear they, not Obi Wan, are are only hope...

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Submitted by Jen on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:31pm

I agree, but...

@Alphalop

it fragments out to around 7 new affiliated independent nations

If I live long enough to see something like this, I'm going to need to get out of the South!

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Submitted by Alphalop on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 10:51pm

@Jen Agree completely, I

@Jen Agree completely, I gotta get out of America's dong for sure...

Oregon is sounding better every day.

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Submitted by Snode on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:46am

The debate at

that site that shall remain nameless was how can we even entertain voting for this criminal with crimes against humanity, and the need to ignore it because "more democrats". The ignore it and "more democrats" seemed to win hands down. So there's right, wrong, and as long as my special interest gets airtime, F' everybody else.

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 8:03am

Every one of these idiots...

Is fine with this, because they're far enough back in the "Concentration Camp Priority List" that they don't feel threatened.

The Democrat's Lament

First they came for the Immigrants, and I didn't say anything because we needed the War authorization passed.
Then they came for the Labor Unions, and I didn't say anything because we needed to grow the economy.
Then they came for the LGBTQ folks, and I didn't say anything because it would hurt my poll numbers.
Then they came for the Third Party folks, and I didn't say anything because we'd been trying to get rid of those assholes for years.
Then they came for anybody who wouldn't sign a loyalty oath to one of the main political parties, and I didn't say anything because the Russians.
Then we gave emergency powers to the President, allowing him to detain anyone on a whim, and I didn't say anything because Terrorists.
Then they rounded up any Democrat who didn't condemn Socialism in the STRONGEST possible terms, and I didn't say anything because Socialism Kills billions.
And then they came for me, and it was totally unfair, and President Trump is a sexist, lying, hypocritical, fascist asshole, who has been killing people! And why isn't anyone listening to me, and what am I doing in this train?

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 10:20am

Al Soufan testimony

suggests the torture program was to remove detainees who were providing actionable intelligence to FBI interrogators and to prevent them from revealing U.S. support for terrorists. Soufan doesn't see it that way necessarily, but as a reader of his book, I do see it as the sequence of events.

In addition, by falsely claiming the actionable intelligence was acquired by torture, the CIA made all of that information inadmissible in court, thereby bringing no one to justice, especially CIA enablers of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Al Qaeda jihadists were trained in the United States, in North Carolina and Virginia, in explosives detonation and in handling the experience of torture itself.

Ali Soufan, former FBI counterterrorism interrogator, has written and spoken widely about his work along with his partners interrogating high-level Al Qaeda prisoners both before and after 9/11. His history of the actionable intelligence he acquired before prisoners were removed from his custody and then tortured by CIA contractors is crucial to understanding the desperation of deep state actors in misrepresenting and covering up this madness.

In his book, The Black Banners, Soufan describes what he suggests is the cover-up of very bad, wrong-headed decisions to torture prisoners who were providing actionable intelligence. But as a reader, I see it quite differently. Every time Ali Soufan and his partners acquired important information, for example when they learned the identity of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, CIA contractors were brought in to remove the source from Soufan, begin the torture, and in some cases subsequently release the prisoner!

So my reading of this crime is that CIA was continuing its support of Al Qaeda and removing terrorist suspects from FBI scrutiny. In other words, they were preventing them from providing crucial intelligence. The example of information about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is most alarming because KSM was a student at a college in North Carolina near a CIA training center for jihadists, which CIA whistleblower Robert Baer described as specializing in remote-controlled detonation of explosives, the assembling of car bombs and bus bombs. Even if the cover-up of this relationship was with hindsight and "embarrassment," its effect was to protect Al Qaeda.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:31pm

This is very interesting, Linda

@Linda Wood

Would you perhaps have some links on this? It makes sense to make sure that the truth never gets out. This might be the thing that forces people to take the Red Pill.

suggests the torture program was to remove detainees who were providing actionable intelligence to FBI interrogators and to prevent them from revealing U.S. support for terrorists. Soufan doesn't see it that way necessarily, but as a reader of his book, I do see it as the sequence of events. In addition, by falsely claiming the actionable intelligence was acquired by torture, the CIA made all of that information inadmissible in court, thereby bringing no one to justice, especially CIA enablers of Al Qaeda terrorists. Al Qaeda jihadists were trained in the United States, in North Carolina and Virginia, in explosives detonation and in handling the experience of torture itself. Ali Soufan, former FBI counterterrorism interrogator, has written and spoken widely about his work along with his partners interrogating high-level Al Qaeda prisoners both before and after 9/11. His history of the actionable intelligence he acquired before prisoners were removed from his custody and then tortured by CIA contractors is crucial to understanding the desperation of deep state actors in misrepresenting and covering up this madness. In his book, The Black Banners, Soufan describes what he suggests is the cover-up of very bad, wrong-headed decisions to torture prisoners who were providing actionable intelligence. But as a reader, I see it quite differently. Every time Ali Soufan and his partners acquired important information, for example when they learned the identity of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, CIA contractors were brought in to remove the source from Soufan, begin the torture, and in some cases subsequently release the prisoner! So my reading of this crime is that CIA was continuing its support of Al Qaeda and removing terrorist suspects from FBI scrutiny. In other words, they were preventing them from providing crucial intelligence. The example of information about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is most alarming because KSM was a student at a college in North Carolina near a CIA training center for jihadists, which CIA whistleblower Robert Baer described as specializing in remote-controlled detonation of explosives, the assembling of car bombs and bus bombs. Even if the cover-up of this relationship was with hindsight and "embarrassment," its effect was to protect Al Qaeda.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:07pm

Interview

@snoopydawg

with Ali Soufan:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/former-fbi-official-ali-soufan...

January 23, 2015
SPIEGEL published the following interview with Soufan in its Dec. 15, 2014 issue.

… Soufan: … long before the special interrogation techniques were used on Zubaydah… he began to tell us things. He was the first to identify Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who went by the codename "Mukhtar") and to explain to us what a crucial role he played in the Sept. 11 attacks. When we showed him pictures, actually in relation to someone else, he suddenly said, "That's Mukhtar, the guy who planned 9/11." He revealed to us the people pulling the strings behind the attacks, entirely without torture, without waterboarding, without us having asked or anticipated that.

SPIEGEL: President Bush later suggested that those things were the result of successful "enhanced interrogation techniques," in other words, of the interrogation program. The CIA claims to this day that that was the case.

Soufan: That is not true. The CIA's contractors hadn't even arrived at the secret prison at that point. To this day, I am not aware of any relevant intelligence that was obtained through the use of torture. The Senate report confirms this as well.

SPIEGEL: What happened next with Zubaydah after he was released from the hospital?

Soufan: While he was still in the hospital, the CIA sent us word that the tactics used with him were going to change. Interrogations of Zubaydah would now be orchestrated only by CIA contractors, without the presence of FBI in the room. This change in strategy was contradictory to all the successes we had achieved up to that point. We tried to offer them compromises; these were refused without discussion. The contractors had one set idea: They were convinced that Zubaydah had only given up useless information so far, and kept the important things to himself...

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:22pm

Thanks for finding the link

@Linda Wood

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:24pm

North Carolina

@snoopydawg

training sources:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_cia07.htm

On March 20, 1998, The New York Times reported that during its existence, Harvey Point trained 18,000 foreign intelligence operatives from 50 different countries.

Among those terrorists trained at Harvey Point were those who worked for… Arab cadres who would later join Osama bin Laden's forces fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

… In his newly published memoir, See No Evil: The True Story of a Ground Soldier in the CIA's War on Terrorism, former CIA officer Bob Baer describes the "two weeks of nonstop demolition training" he received in North Carolina…

… "Then we started blowing things up: cars, buses, diesel generators, fences, bunkers. We made a school bus disappear with about 20 pounds of U.S. C-4…

… "We were also taught some of the really esoteric stuff like E-cell times, improvising pressurized airplane bombs using a condom and aluminum foil, and smuggling a pistol on an airplane concealed in a mixture of epoxy and graphite.

By the end of the training, we could have taught an advanced terrorism course."

http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=harvey+point&...

1980: Afghan Fighters Begin Training in US
Some fighters opposing the Soviets in Afghanistan begin training in the US... Much of the training takes place in Camp Peary, near Williamsburg, Virginia, which is said to be the CIA’s main location for training spies and assets. Other training takes place at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, Harvey Point, North Carolina, and Fort A. P. Hill, Virginia. Subjects are trained in how to detect explosives, surveillance, how to recruit new agents, how to run paramilitary operations, and more. They are taught to use many different weapons as well, including remote-controlled mines and bombs, and sophisticated timers and explosives.

… in the late 1980s, US consular official Michael Springmann will notice fighters from many Middle Eastern nations are getting US visas, apparently to train in the US for the Afghan war (see September 1987-March 1989)...

http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=ksm+north+car...

1987-1991: KSM Works in Afghanistan for Warlord Most Favored by CIA
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) fights and works in Afghanistan. KSM, a Pakistani who spent most of his childhood in Kuwait, went to college at North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in the US from 1983 to 1986. Then, in 1987, he goes to Afghanistan to take part in the struggle against the Russians. Two of his brothers die in the fighting there. Another brother, Zahid Shaikh Mohammed, works for a prominent Islamic charity there and introduces KSM to Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, an Afghan warlord. KSM serves as Sayyaf’s secretary and helps recruit Arabs to fight in Afghanistan for Sayyaf’s faction. [PLAYBOY, 6/1/2005] At the time, the CIA and Saudi Arabia are spending billions of dollars funding warlords such as Sayyaf. The Los Angeles Times will later call Sayyaf “the favored recipient of money from the Saudi and American governments.” While in Afghanistan, KSM also gets to know bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and many other future al-Qaeda leaders.

Submitted by ZimInSeattle on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 10:33am

Just another day in the Ziocon Nazi empire.

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Submitted by ggersh on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 10:36am

another glass ceiling broken

I'm afraid of what might happen to me if I oppose this
despicable POS, like being misogynistic, sexist, bernie
bro, deplorable, etc.etc.etc.

Yet they tptb still tell us every day how god blesses us,
how exceptional we are, how we are the fighter of human rights
etc.etc.etc.

If this isn't the final nail in today's amerika's coffin what
is?

Everyday the local news at night tells of a cop being a hero
by just doing what his job description entails, all sporting
events hail our military starting from the nat'l anthem to
then throughout the event with salutes to our military, many
of todays commercials grasp onto the military as well. The propaganda
machine is in full service as the only shit amerika does well
anymore is propaganda, forget what our lying eyes see.

The takeover is pretty much completed the narcissist, psychopaths,
sociopaths are in charge

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those born Jewish

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now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Submitted by MrWebster on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:05pm

CIA tortured, lied about torture, destroyed evidence of torture.

But believe without question everything they say about Russiagate.

Submitted by Lookout on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:18pm

Did you see the way they did Ray McGovern?

...when he hollered out against Gina? The capitol police dislocated the 78 year olds shoulder.

So it is not just the dems consent, it is their failure to full force object. The democraps are not an answer, they are another side of the problem.

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Submitted by The Voice In th... on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:30pm

Well, Obama was against prosecution IIRC

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:38pm

He was and that's the problem

@The Voice In the Wilderness

If he hadn't decided to "look forward" and prosecuted the people who not only committed torture, but the ones who told people to do it, then Gina wouldn't be the next CIA director, she might be in prison instead. He is now an accessory after the fact as are the congress members who are voting for her.

Yeah, very funny Barry!

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Submitted by The Voice In th... on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 9:52pm

Yep!

@snoopydawg

But Dems blame only Republicans. It is like 1984, isn't it?

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Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 05/17/2018 - 9:59pm

Nice job, Snoop!

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Submitted by SoylentGreenisPeople on Fri, 05/18/2018 - 4:00am

Why are you focusing on Democrats?

At this point, why would you expect anything OTHER than them voting for Haspel?

Why?

It's as if you are disappointed, because they didn't meet your expectations that they would be some kind of principled opposition party, or be "different than" the Republicans.

But my question is this: Why would you still have any such expectations?

The CIA was created by the consent of a Democrat . . . Harry Truman.

The CIA did all manner of horrible things in various parts of the world while Democrat LBJ was president. Democrat LBJ, appointed former CIA Director Alan Dulles to the Warren Commission, to ostensibly investigate the assassination of JFK, a crime that the CIA was likely involved in with Dulles' participation.

Democrat Bill Clinton refused to prosecute CIA connected criminals from the Bush I Administration. I think he was the first person that said words to the effect of 'we should look forward, and not backward.' And there is evidence out there showing that Clinton may have even been connected to CIA drug smuggling activities that occurred in Mena, Arkansas, while he was the governor of that state.

Democrat Barack Obama unleashed all manner of CIA connected horrors upon the planet. He also said about Dubya's war criminals that we should look forward and not backward, as he gave them a pass for their past crimes. And didn't he place corrupt John Brennan at the head of the CIA?.

The Democrats in the Senate did nothing after it was revealed that Brennan's CIA had been spying upon their supposed anti-torture activities.

Moreover the Democrats continue to give bipartisan support to unconstitutional spying upon all Americans, and if Obama and leading Democrats had had their way, both Snowden and Assange would be rotting in American prisons . . . . or worse. Oh, and Obama also oversaw the incarceration of Manning, some of which included inhumane treatment.

For most of the past two years, the Democrats have been pushing Russia-gate, a fraudulent meme that, in part, serves the interests of the Deep State (including the CIA and the MIC) in fomenting a new Cold War with Russia and in silencing dissent from alternative domestic voices.

And lest we forget, many of the people that will be trying to get into Congress this fall as Democrats have connections to the CIA or the MIC.

I don't understand: At this late stage of the game, why are you singling out the Democrats for special censure, when they are as much a part of the same criminal, corrupt, and immoral system as the Republicans are?

Why would you expect them to be anything different than what they, in fact, are?

They are crypto-fascists, that masquerade as "liberals" and carry rainbow flags around with them to somehow pretend they are different and more moral than Republicans.

And they still fool enough people to get them to vote for them . . . or to be disappointed in them when they don't act in truly principled fashions . . . such as when they vote to confirm Haspel.

I, for one, am not fooled anymore.

I suspect that the same holds true for many of the people that frequent this site.