The democrats have released their rebuttal to the Nunes memo
Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/24/2018 - 7:59pm
Democrats memo (PDF)
It states that "the DOJ and FBI did not abuse the FISA process, omit material or subvert this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign."
"Christopher Steele's raw intelligence reporting did not inform the FBI's decision to initiate its counter investigation in late July, 2016."
It's too bad that Comey and McCabe have already testified to congress that they did indeed use the Steele dossier to get the FISA warrant. And that the information in it was "unverified and salacious."
Unfortunately it looks like YouTube has scrubbed those videos. The ones that I watched a few months ago. Funny how that works now in this country.
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To make the same point:
The memo is based on a number of ridiculous lies. McCabe from the FBI testified to the House committee that they never would have sought the FISA warrant without the Steele Dossier, which directly contradicts the statement in the democratic memo that says the Steele Dossier was not the catalyst for launching the Trump-Russia probe.
But that is the least of it. All last week, the NYTimes published strategic misinformation to support this memo, including erroneous timelines, swapping Papadopoulos for Page — that went unchallenged.
It's minutia to deflect from Mueller's failed investigation and the completely bogus "hacking" of the DNC computers. Down the memory hole it goes.
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His name is Seth Rich.
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The NY Slimes has been putting out wrong intel
since this started. This whole thing was cooked up by Hillary's team and Podesta especially.
Wikileaks
On a side note. Lawyers For The DNC Argue That Primary Rigging Is Protected By The First Amendment.
At a loss for words.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Then I guess Crosscheck is protected as well.
Bourgeoisie elections, bourgeoisie results.
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Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Why of course it is.
Who even thought differently?
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We can do anything we want,
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You know that Seth Rich was testifying
...on one of the motions in that trial, scheduled just days after he was killed.
Have the Awan's left the country without a trial?
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The latest news on him
is from January and his trial has been moved to March. His wife returned in October with the kids.
This article from September states that congress found no evidence of wrongdoing and it's all a right wing conspiracy.
Yep. Just another move along nothing to see here...
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Word on the street is
...they auto backed up all of the Congressional servers in Saudi Arabia. But who knows? We never will.
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They've certainly left
the news coverage. Jupiter's Balls! How can foreign national grifters stealing congressional communications (for one crime) not be a screaming headline about national security every day?
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
They're not Russian. n/t
You may be at a loss for words,
I have been reading more about Carter Page
He is who the democrats have focused on as the reason the FBI got the FISA warrant on to wiretap the Trump campaign, not because of the Steele dossier. The FBI first started looking at him because of his ties to Russia when he had business with Russia and because of his pro Russian stance. This was in 2013 and the FBI had gotten two warrants before the last one that they got after he left the Trump campaign.
Source
So Page had left the Trump campaign before the warrant was taken out right? To surveil his communications with whom? He wasn't part of the campaign anymore. So how was the FBI able to spy on the campaign if Page had nothing to do with it unless it was because of the Steele dossier as the Nunes memo states. As both Comey and McCabe testified to.
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong because I'm not buying into what the democrats are trying to prove.
Thoughts?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Carter Page was working for the FBI
...the entire time, spying on the Russians. I don't understand why this happened, unless the FBI thought he had gone over to the dark side.
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Thanks, Pluto
I now remember that he was working with them. That makes it worse, imo. Nothing like using the intelligence agencies to spy on your opponent. Sheesh, how do people not see this for what it was?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
I think they do see. They just think the end justifies the means
I think a large number of people, prominent or otherwise, have decided that, yes, they are willing to help spread even the most blatant lies, if it seems to further the cause of bringing down President Trump.
Losing our souls in the process.
It doesn't have to end this way.
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But isn't that the essence of centrism
By definition you have no principles except to be moderate and centric whatever you think that means. So of course the end justifies the means because there really isn't any guiding reason not to.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC
It's short for self-centrism. Becomes kinda obvious once you look at what it's used to 'justify'.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Entrapment and Paralell Construction.
I finally got a word for my "retroactive permission" concept when it came to the
Star ChamberFISA court. Parallel Construction.Get illegal data on someone. Find out their weaknesses. Have one of the Five Eyes (or unaffiliated domestic intelligence firm/service) drop a tip in your lap. Present tip to FISA Court. OK, go spy on the badguy.
So much WIN!
This is likely complete entrapment AND parallel construction. It's what I would imagine Page was trying to do in Russia; the same friggin' job.
The FBI embedded an undercover agent into the Drumpf campaign, then used his former spy experience as a rationale for obtaining a FISA warrant on him. Totally sounds legit. WTF.?
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
"Correcting the Record"
I couldn't help noticing that the subject line of this memo is "Correcting the Record - The Russian Investigations".
Yep, as we well know, the Democratic establishment is good at "correcting the record". It's one of their favorite things to do. In fact, during 2016, there was even a Super PAC by that name, Correct the Record (run by David Brock) that coordinated with the Clinton campaign to astroturf social media against Bernie Sanders.
(CTR's current incarnation is called Shareblue).
As used by the Dem establishment, "correct the record" is code for "psy-ops intended to gaslight, obfuscate, and manipulate".
And here it is again. A Dem memo explicitly stating that it's intended to "correct the record." Now why doesn't that inspire me with a lot of trust?
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~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
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More info on Shareblue
Hmm, a necessary voice..... I beg to differ.
Funny how there is no mention of the Pied Piper strategy..
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Shareblue & Brock
According to what he wrote in his 2002 book "Blinded by the Right", he started out in his college days (early 1980s) as a liberal Democrat. Some of his fellow Dem students did or said something that offended him, so he decided to become a conservative Republican.
He moved to Washington D.C., wrote for conservative publications, interned at the Heritage Foundation, and worked as an operative for Karl Rove. He's the one who smeared Anita Hill as "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty".
In large part he was responsible for the never-ending "parade of horribles" against the Clintons during the '90s, and Hillary in particular. The right-wing base ate it up, and still despises Hillary, which is one reason I knew she would have a hard time winning the 2016 election.
At some point, Brock apparently* shifted allegiance to the Clintons. Maybe someone in the Republican establishment did something to offend him, so he decided to become a liberal Democrat again? Or maybe the Clintons made him an offer he couldn't refuse?
At any rate, Shareblue Media (which is more than just a website) is part of a bigger operation. The conglomerate of organizations that he runs is like an octopus with many tentacles, and it keeps shifting shape. Who knows what it will evolve into for the 2020 elections?
*The reason I say "apparently" is because who knows for sure what's going with the neocons/neolibs?
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~Rumi
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Nah, it was Putin who made him the offer
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
I never trusted the guy
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Shifty's explanation of how the FISA court was clearly made
about the basis of such charges leading to need for surveillance:
Sound good so far? See who could pick out the real sponsors of the Steele dossier from Shifty's continuation of his explanation:
Of course, it is just plain as day that we know it was the DNC, HFA and other political mediaries who tasked Source #1 (Steele) to dig up dirt on Steele. And what about the bullshit that
The Demonratic FISA memo rebuttal is obtainable by clicking through this linked article
For a look at the GOP FISA memo click here.
The article also states these two things, alligator
This kinda proves what YouTube is trying to erase.
Game, set, ...
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
This person's opinion is being taken as a fact
that Russia changed people's minds on who they voted for.
He offers two things as proof of it. The first one is of a guy saying that his son believed that Hillary was untrustworthy because of her emails and then he talks about an ad that urged African-Americans to vote for a third-party candidate. “Choose peace and vote for Jill Stein. Trust me, it’s not a wasted vote,” the ad read, according to Mueller’s indictment.
This is it. And now people are quoting him in diaries and replying to him on Tweeter. I have seen other people's opinions being taken as fact and people are putting them in diaries and on their websites to get others to believe that yes Russia did change votes here and we have to stop them from doing in the midterms. Just people, not someone from the intelligence agencies.
I didn't need anyone to tell me that Hillary was not the right person to be president. And if I had seen an ad that told me to vote for Jill just because it wouldn't be a wasted vote, I wouldn't have changed my mind. Comey didn't ruin her chance of being president. She did. No one made her use her private email server, she decided to do that on her own. Geezus! How can people not see that they are being manipulated?
Oh Richard
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Yeah, say it enough times, then it's true
Vlad told HRC not to campaign in Wisconsin.
And he told her not to campaign in Michigan.
Vlad also told her not to go to Pennsylvania.
Putin did tell her to go to Oligarch homes for some hard
drinkingcampaigning in the last weeks of the campaign.Putin sent her buddy Justin Cooper an unencrypted server, tied with a red (what else) ribbon and told him to have Pagliano install it without encryption.
Vlad advised HRC to delete all those pesky emails about pay-to-play.
Oh, wait a minute. No, those instructions were for Trump to follow--except he's smarter than the Mad Bomber--and passed those instructions along to Medusa. So, yeah, Trump made me do Putin's bidding. How 'bout some more yellow cake, with your tea, Vladimirovich?
I'm sure it was also Vlad
Who told her that the only problem with Wall Street was too much government regulation and the best way to fix Wall Street was to let the experts alone to do their job.
Man, Putin is one crafty old devil, isn't he?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
They argue that democracy is the problem...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We're being smothered by BS.
At the very minimum, Hillary should've lost her security clearance for doing State dept business on her private server (not to mention deleting 33,000 subpoenaed emails). The loss of her security clearance would have made her ineligible to run for president (or run in the democratic presidential primaries).
The greatest example of election (and primary) rigging/meddling was done by the Obama FBI and DOJ, by allowing Hillary to keep her security clearance (with the obvious intent of allowing Hillary to stay in the race). If justice had been done (revoking Hillary's security clearance), she would have been ineligible to run for president.
But everybody is being smothered by so much BS that they can't see this most undeniable example of 'election meddling/rigging'.
The Deep State is doing a good job covering their tracks.
Mike Taylor
Any private citizen who did a fraction of what Her did
would have been summarily fired and blacklisted from the information industry for ever. Too bad politics has absolutely no moral standards whatsoever.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
No wait! I'd like to mention that...
Because I'm pretty sure that if I get subpoenaed and I tell the judge, "Fuck You!" the judge is probably not just going to say, "Well OK then. Too bad he wouldn't obey the court order."
Stuff like that is worth mentioning because it so clearly points out the true nature of our "judicial" system.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
A surprising amount of the sabotage
...comes from the Magnitsky Act and the ensuing sanctions. Without getting into what a hoax that was:
Corrupt Clinton supporters in the Obama administration along with deep state Neocons concocted RussiaGate early in the campaign. No matter who won the election, it could be used gin up a war with Russia, which is deemed necessary in order to crush the rise of Eurasia and preserve the Petrodollar.
The Magnitsky mess got mixed into RussiaGate because Veselnitskaya wanted to come to the US to lobby Trump about the Magnitsky act. Her job is to lobby against it on behalf of her clients who were caught up in the sanctions. So she conned Donald Trump Jr. with a bogus offer of dirt on Hillary, no doubt picked up by US surveillance. She is known in Washington as a lobbyist, not a spy. The DOJ moved quickly to grant her a special visa. She came in through DC, then traveled to NY for the Trump meeting, before returning to DC. Naturally, this meeting, which ended up focused on the Magnitsky Act rather than Hillary, resulted in a smear campaign against Trump.
The interesting thing is the fact that Veselnitskaya and the Clinton campaign were both clients of Fusion GPS. Veselnitskaya was at their Washington office both before and after the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. Did Fusion GPS weaponize Veselnitskaya as part of the job they were doing for the Clinton campaign? At the same time, the wife of the DOJ lead counsel targeting Trump, is working at Fusion GPS, rewriting the nasty Trump Dossier so that it reads like an Intelligence report.
No matter the outcome, the big loser is the American people. They know they are losers, they just don't know why.
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Hey Did You Know That Manafort & Gates Controlled the Podesta
group regarding Yanukovych?
Lemme dig that up...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-po...
In other news, Manafort & Gates were partnered with the Podesta Group in this anti-American endeavor:
Finalize their filing... 9 months after the election.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
I've been reading about that around the edges.
I'm very attuned to events in Ukraine, which is where the CrowdStrike founder emigrated from. A real Putin-hater, that one.
The Podesta connection I am not clear on. It would be a strange connection; politically incorrect for him. It would tick off the Neocons. Thanks for the link.
Carry a burning candle and share the light.
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Yep. John Podesta is also under investigation
because of his lobbying in Ukraine without registering as a foreign lobbyist. He had to step down from his position in the Podesta group. Funny how no one talks about this, isn't it? Then again, he's not connected to this Russian stuff.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Why does the role of big media remain under reported?
I think we know the answer....they would never report on their own failure.
Any rational person who compares the few troll created facebook click bait ads to the massive coverage T-rump got for free from the MSM would conclude which had the greatest impact...and needless to say it ain't the click bait.
As someone said earlier the $hill didn't bother to campaign in MI nor WI, both primaries which she lost to Bernie.
The entire Russia issue is moot not only for the two reason above but also because Russia didn't hack the DNC! Yet it is reported as fact across the media.
The American public has been reduced to lemmings rushing headlong into permanent warfare without a thought. All the while argueing about the role of Russia.
Thanks for the essay and info Snoopy D!
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@Lookout
Boils down to a charge of inciting democracy; accusations of Russians suggesting that people could vote for better and more survivable electoral choices outside the appalling PTB-selected corporate candidates and that civil forces shouldn't be routinely abusing and killing citizens. And trying to imply that Non-Billionaire-Americans can't think and decide for themselves but must be controlled by their 'betters'.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Devin Nunes Speaks at CPAC 2018
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Only collusion with Russia has been Obama administration. The DEM memo actually indicts THEM.
Just to make sure I'm up to speed...
One group of known liars with obvious vested interests released a memo stating that another group of known liars with vested interests were bad people. The second group retaliated by releasing their own memo saying the first group were liars.
Do I have that about right?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Nailed it!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.