How Fuckin' Stupid Are Billary Supporters?
Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Fri, 12/08/2017 - 11:28am
Jimmy Dore gives us a demonstration. How he was able to keep a straight face through all this I'll never know but he definitely deserves major props.
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Meanwhile, as Billary and Drumpf's biggest supporters continue to fight amongst each other and the media continues to whine about Russia and every other distraction they get their slimy hands on, the Republican Democrats continue to enable and participate in the organized theft that the moneyed class has done out in the open for decades because apparently fighting against economic royalism is too far above our pay grade.
We're fucked.
See you around,
Aspie
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The "above his pay grade" comment
Basically meant that he doesn't really know how geo-politics work. But even in his ignorance, he's damn sure it doesn't have anything to do with how politics and the media are all tied into the foreign policy power struggles being played out in real time. Or what happened in the 2016 election that the Russians "stole".
He's just there, by golly, as a fan for the political theatre he thinks is real.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
What I find amazing is the exact same expression...
on the faces of these true believers as you will find on the true believers of any cult.
Talk to an NRA member, same expression, tone of voice, everything. The guarded expression expecting hostility, and then opening up freely when they think they've found another true believer.
One of us... One of us...
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
MSNBC's vapid RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA promo.
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Just about says it all, doesn't it?
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Priceless! This is why you watch
Presumably, so that you can hear empty statements that assert nothing in particular nor inform in any given way but they do look like tasty red meat.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Not so much "stupid," in many cases.
More like tired.
Okay, maybe some are just voting their 401(k)s, remembering some fantasyland of a dotcom bubble that they hope will come along again.
But most are just tired, after long days of running between jobs, and trying to pay all the bills this one month unlike all that came before it this year, and wondering why their kids aren't going to have it any better than they did ('cuz isn't that the American dream, that your kids will have it better than you?), and the trepidation about that bump under your skin that you can't afford this week to get looked at, and the media drumbeat about some other armageddon that will befall us in just a few days so tune in every hour for the latest punditry on that, and what're you gonna make for dinner for the kids, and wouldn't it be nice to have just a little help with the housework, and what is your neighbor up to with all that racket now, and don't forget to get that next quarterly tax form in to the state. Is it any wonder they just want to turn on the football game or Dancing with the Stars and catch a breath? They want a better world, they'd like to know how to make that come about, but mostly they're just drained. When you're drained, you don't question as much, or investigate as much, and you go along with what comes easy, pre-packaged, like a Kraft Mac-and-Cheese Dinner. And once or twice a year you vote, because you sincerely believe that's important, and you vote for a Hillary. And you hope people don't criticize you for that, too. Because you're tired.
tired
And if you get sick on top of all that, God forbid.....
Rep. Grayson was right: the American Healthcare Plan is what he ascribed to Republicans:
I'm one of those who didn't die quickly, which is how I know that Rep. Grayson was right!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@dance you monster I know, dym, and I often
I know, dym, and I often make the same defense of Americans generally (the 99% part of Americans).
But last year things became too damned obvious. Hillary went too far. Her campaign was more of an anti-campaign; she did too many rotten things. The smell spread.
My experience of loved ones who support Hillary, and I have more than one, is that they really don't want to think about what's actually going on. It's too horrible, so they'd rather do something less frightening, like oppose racism and sexism and rail at Republicans, and try hard not to notice that their own leaders are often racist, sometimes sexist, and are pushing the same policies Republicans are. Sometimes helping the Republicans push those policies, as with the tax bill. They need a winnable fight, and they need to have bad people to rail against (that part's easy) and they need to believe that their leaders, who are opposing the bad people, are the good people, or at least good enough.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That goes for Billary and Drumpf backers alike.
Only in the case of Drumpf backers, they're happy to suffer a little if they can watch the already marginalized just one rung below them suffer even worse.
Either way, if Drumpf appeared in front of them and told them to suck his dick, they wouldn't just do it, they'd pay him for the privilege. Same with Billary and her strap-on. The sycophancy on both sides really does run that deep. And they don't care who knows it.
Meanwhile, the rest of us who are tired of this horseshit will never have a say anywhere. Ever. Because here in 'Murica, people just hate 'the left' that god damn much.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I've been saying that for years
'they're happy to suffer a little if they can watch the already marginalized just one rung below them suffer even worse." But I've said that about class conscious SF pseudo liberals. I don't think that's just it with these people though, I think that they want to prove that they're better than those that are their socio-economic equals, not just keeping up with the Joneses, but being holier than the Joneses. (while still being contemptuous of their "inferiors")
On to Biden since 1973
Keeping up with the joneses
I gave up on that when it became blatantly obvious I'd never move up from underneath the glass floor no matter what I did.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
You are right
Very few want to see things as they actually are. We even disagree about how we "reform" the Democratic Party, while inexplicably overlooking the fact that our entire electoral process has been compromised. I call it survival defense mechanism kicking in. Who among us wants to admit that apart from divesting in the American economy and setting up self sustaining communities, there is no viable means of fighting back.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
@Anja Geitz Can't help it. I'm
Can't help it. I'm addicted to the truth.
It's a sad addiction.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
And a lonely one too
I have very few pro Hillary political friends who are still talking to me these days. The speed with which they blocked me on FB after the election was also stunning.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I actually left Facebook after last year's primary.
Haven't been back since. I eventually left youtube as well. I don't really regret either because arguing on either site is...well, headache inducing.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I left Facebook
After the inauguration. The level of indoctrination was so mind blowing that my view towards the entire human race took a steep nosedive. Now that I've been away it's improved but I've also begun to notice a phenomena take hold of some fellow progressives who are still so invested in the media wars that their tenaciousness has hit a defcon level on the shrillness meter that makes me even less interested in going down that media rabbit hole again.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Same here
It was not my Republican friends and family that blocked me or acted like spoiled children. It was the Hilliaryites who expressed both open anger and disdain toward me after the election and some are still doing so. Why this was so shocking to me is that I was very open all along that I would not vote for her under any circumstances due to her war mongering. I voted third party and had no regrets about doing so. It is up to a candidate to win my vote, not to expect they are owed my vote. And despite the outcome, I would do the exact same thing again if I even decide to participate in voting on the national scale, which I am having second thoughts about.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I agree with you completely
I have not had the experiences with Republican supporters on FB as I have with Hillary supporters.
Recently, I went back on FB after almost a year to set up a business page for my freelance work when a friend of a friend of a friend (and a Hillary supporter) posted several hostile comments on my BUSINESS page about how I was a Putin shill and not what I appeared to be. It was disconcerting to say the least. Not sure what to make of the level of insanity social media has had on the brains of ordinarily sane people.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Addicted to the truth!
Hillbots can't do it!
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@Alligator Ed Wow. Awesome! And
Wow. Awesome! And surprisingly cheering!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I actually thought no one ruled my truth.
And thenI discovered Cc companies with a 20+ year association could could consider me scum.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I needed this, AE!
Anything with Derek Trucks playing is always a good thing. This is a great thing though!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98 Oh my. I knew I
Oh my. I knew I recognized him. He is now married to and touring with Susan Tedeschi. Another awesome...Eric. I've been thinking about him a lot, lately. Last I saw him "live" he was starting to show his age.
Another awesome...speaking truth and having to feed that addiction!
A...nother...just being here. Thanks guys!
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams
There are still a few days when I really
wish I still had my head in the Democrat bubble. How much easier then to level my contempt fully for Repugnants, it was after all a lifetime fight with my family and a comfortable one. But there is no going back now. I've never seen The Matrix but friends tell me my feelings are just like taking the red pill. Once you know, how can you go back? You can't. It is a horrible addiction in so many ways.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7 I understand.
I understand.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's the only way
I see forward. Don't buy from "Them" while maintaining a sustainable community at the same time.
Well, that and a truly Million Wo/Man March on Columbia, MO.
Why Columbia? A better chance of us getting there ahead of the coppers. Two, half way between KC and St Louis. There's 50,000 right there.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Wink
oh, forgot Three. The MSM may ignore 1 million on the Washington Mall, they Can't ignore 1 million in Columbia, MO.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Or Evansville IN or Groton, NY.
WE HAVE BEEN DISREPECTED BY OUR GOVERNMENTS! Gumption pants on and a Direct Action! No effing boycott, no pink hat walks.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Gumption pants! (++)
Hopefully the women won't wear anything "enticing"
Or the men's "natural" cavemen instincts will overcome them and they'll too distracted to be of any use to the movement.
/s
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Exactly. bluejeans. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
This coming from someone
Who said they were surprised more women aren't raped, perhaps blue jeans won't be enough cover for your caveman instincts?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Ha! Let's just say
the Hotties at the gym aren't all that "concerned." They know I can barely put one foot in front of the other, stepping down off the treadmill a major deal. Bluejeans just fine.
And, I'm not there for the eye candy, although it's a nice perk. I'm there to help keep my ticker ticking.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Yes, I'm sure
The "hotties" at your gym view your distasteful ogling as "un-concerning". Makes me wonder if any one else familiar with your sexist remarks on this site find your tone deafness as uncharming as I do?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
And, frankly, Zoe, I
don't give a damn. I know "the nature of man," having been one for 65 years. And knowing that, I know given the circumstances of those accused of sexual harassment (or worse), Many of us suddenly finding ourselves in those circumstances - power & money - would follow suit, harass away.
That's all. And Not all of us. Maybe just 10% of us. But enough of us to know it (harassment, rape) isn't going away any time soon, no matter how much re-education from the womens lib camp. My beef with the whole harassment accusation story and subsequent thread is that "harassment" has been widened or watered down to include things like naughty glances. What's next? "He looked at my ankles!!"? All a part of the P.C. nonsense that waters everything down to the point of meaninglessness.
Sexual harassment certainly isn't worse today than it was back in the day when I was in HS. Men have tended to mind their manners over the past 50 years more than they maybe had before that. I'm sure secretaries (do they still call them that) of the '50s and '60s dealt with their share of abusers, including their boss. My main claim in all this was boys will be boys no matter how much re-education, how much cave man dna removed. Becuz at our core we are that cave man. We dress better these days, smell better, but when we look in the mirror we know we're not all that far removed from the days of the cave. And some men that have the means and opportunity - Bubba, Cos, Franken, et al - remind us of that now and then. And that's going to continue for a very long time whether anyone gives a damn or not.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
^^^^^^
Case in point
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Or maybe not.
The ONLY way I see sexual harassment ending any time soon is women (and girls) coming forward - as soon after the offense as possible, instantly even better. Women need to smack the asshat upside the head and then publicly accuse the moron ASAP. Right then and there - right in the office - if possible. ONLY when women come forward and publicly "out" their abuser will this, sexual harassment, ever end.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Keep digging
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I know you're in
de Nile, but the burden for ending sexual harassment is Not on men. Becuz if it is it won't. Simple as that. You want to end it it's on You to end it.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Just in case anyone has forgotten
what you've actually said on the subject of men's "natural" desires, may I present your "pearls of wisdom" in your own disturbing words.
I think the issue here has very little to do with my "denial", and more to do with how we should characterize your words here.
Anyone?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
wah... Frankly, Zoe...
You wanna continue down this dead end have at it.
Who knows? Maybe the next generation of boys Won't be boys.
Nah.
You want a more perfect world stop whining and go create it.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Frankly, "Wink"
There's a word for 65year old men like you who brag about leering at girls young enough to be their grand-daughters, but we don't say it in polite company.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
^^^This^^^
I would also say that her cult has tried to find a way to reconcile their support of her (to themselves) despite all the evidence. So they lie to themselves or disregard the evidence. I do not believe I have seen any candidate whose supporters exhibit more cult like behavior more than those who still support Hillary Clinton.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98 YES! Truly
YES! Truly astonishing-- and they accused us of worshiping at the altar of St. Bernie, no matter how many times it was the policies, not the man! The transference was/is breathtaking. I dipped into the other place when Donna Brazile came out with her 'rigged' statement (and then she didn't? Still confused lol....) and then Liz Warren agreed. I suspected both of those women-- who had been heretofore untouchable-- would be chucked tout suite under the bus-- and they were! Faster than one could say Jackie Robinson!
As I've often said, HER could chew off a live puppy's head on national TV and these people would excuse it-- "Oh, she thought it was a pinata full of cash! Anyone would! And she needs the money because the dirty rotten repubs are flooding the election with dark money blah blah blah ad nauseum.
AND while we're on the subject of cognitive dissonance/Kool-Aid quaffing....WTF was/is up with gay men's adoration of her???? As a gay man, my patience was not merely worn but shredded and torn with that adulation. "She's a diva!" Michelangelo Signorelli pronounced. "I LOVE strong women!" gushed another friend when I asked him why the F he would ever ever vote for such a murderous, grifting fraud. "But Cher's backing her!" said another. WTF????????? This is not a disco people!!!!! She's up to her neck in blood! She threw us (GLBT) under the bus with DOMA and gay marriage, then threw us (humanity) under the bus with Ukraine, Iraq, Iran, Honduras, Libya, Syria, AIPAC, Wall Street, fracking, fossil fuels, DAPL, NAFTA, TPP, bank deregulation, welfare 'reform,'rotten stinking incrementalism etc etc etc etc. I JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT!!!! NEVER HAVE! NEVER WILL! They have been a cancer on the American body politic in general and the Democratic Party in particular since they slimed their way into DC. Away with them, I say!
Semper ubi sub ubi
This comment
really tickled me.
You really hit the nail on the head with this part.
I have been searching my brain trying to recall is I have ever heard any of her cultists cite her policy positions in their adoration of her and I keep coming up blank. For the life of me, I fail to understand what it is about this evil person that has inspired such loyalty and devotion among her followers. The only conclusion that explains this phenomenon is that critical thinking skills among the cultists are non-existent.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98 I had a horrible
I had a horrible conversation on Twitter during the campaign with Frank Conniff (TV's Frank from Mystery Science Theater 3000). Of course, being a Gen-X nerd who likes movies, I was a huge fan of that show and everybody on it. It was smart, sharp, critical, goofy, good-hearted, ironic. I particularly loved Frank and Trace's part of it, and, since I knew that Frank was the one who screened all the movies to decide which ones made the first cut (not an enviable job), I also felt grateful to him.
Then I had this exchange with him on Twitter:
Me: [negative comment about Hillary]
Him: [defensive comment about Hillary]
Me: "OK, let me back up. What is it that you like about Hillary? What positives do you expect if she wins?"
Him: "If you have to ask, you'll never know."
Do you understand why this was horrible for me?
Here's someone I seriously respect for their intellectual work (comedy is hard intellectual work, never doubt it).
Because I respect him, I backed off of my criticism to give him room to make his case.
Then he slimed me with a cheap character attack.
"If you have to ask, you'll never know," as a response, is bereft of intellectual integrity. "I know you are but what am I?" has more intellectual depth and honesty.
It's not even a good character attack. I might have had marginally more respect for the standard accusations of sexism and racism. At least that's saying something.
Like Rick in Casablanca objects to a cut-rate parasite, I object to a cut-rate character attack.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I definitely see why that was horrible
For you. I had a similar exchange on FB with a former professor when I cited the Pied Piper strategy memo in answer to his insistence that we MUST vote for Hillary to save us from the nightmare that is Trump. Except instead of getting "if you have to ask, you'll never know", I got "thats how politics are played".
If I told you how passionate this man was about the wrongs committed on developing countries and the geo political plundering of their resources by the U.S. , you'd understand how his "moral" pretzel twisting was like a knife going into my heart.
Yes, I understand exactly how you felt.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
@Anja Geitz No, it's NOT
No, it's NOT how politics are played! It's how politics are played by STUPID people! It's how politics are played by stupid people who LOSE unless bailed out by some disgusting form of election fraud or voter suppression! In which case, you'd better make sure nobody's better at hacking the vote than your team!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Slow Clap
For all Hillary's money and Bill's supposed political instincts, she never figured out how to run a successful campaign, did she? I guess staffing your campaign with people on the basis of their loyalty over their competencies is STUPID after all. Who knew?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
@Anja Geitz I wish I
I wish I could yell at him, but I can only yell at you. Sorry.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Lol
See my reply above.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Met Frank in person this year.
He's a great person, and I told him to his face that I respected the hell out of his work, and followed him on twitter, even though I strongly disagreed with many of his opinions.
In person, he's nowhere near the internet tough guy he pretends to be. I sometimes think he's just playing a role online. If so, I can't hold it against him, since it does get him attention and love which is like candy to an actor.
Just my 2c. Still find what he tweets rather repugnant, but he's a good bellwether for what will get slung around in the MSM in a few days.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@detroitmechworks It's not that
It's not that he trotted out Hillary 2016 talking points. It's that he used a character attack/conversation stopper--and one that was utterly vacuous.
I would really like to get back to what I thought of him before, but it's hard and it has little to do, directly, with the fact that he likes Hillary and I don't.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@detroitmechworks And this is
And this is the hell of the thing: we're living in an era where great people do shit things.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Consequences
https://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh Yes. Rec
Yes. Rec'd X 1,000.
You can push back, of course. It's possible to resist, at least as regards one's personal behavior and beliefs. But not everybody will do that, or even think to do that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Unfortunately not all are in a position to
still others have a life
in which they can't afford to, while many more
have it worse than that.
It's the stupidity of the one's that can but don't
that bugs the shit out of me.
This is why I consider zero to be the biggest traitor to the
people, the cards were all lined up and he folded. If ever a
person deserved karma, he's the one.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
How could you forget this, gulfgal?
She is a strong supporter of women and children!!!!
This is what I heard over and over until I was ready to puke. There are so many issues that she pushed that should have embarrassed anyone who said this.
The other thing that is said just as much is when you question the legality of the Clinton Foundation you are told that it helps people with AIDS in Africa. That's it. The only thing that the BILLION dollar Clinton Foundation is known for. I'm sure all the despots in foreign countries really care about AIDS in Africa.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
@snoopydawg Isn't it an
Isn't it an awful lot to make out of support for S-chip in the 90s?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@gulfgal98 I agree. It's
I agree. It's horrifying to watch people who used to consider themselves the rational ones engage in this behavior. At least as bad as those who stood by W.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Granted.
At the Federal level, I can respect the first class — those voting for their own best interest or their 401ks. They're at least participating in the evolutionary food chain. Low-brow, but still self-selecting. Fine for them.
And the second class, the one's who "can't brain today" because they are too tired…. and stuff…. really have no business voting at that level. (Which is actually moot at the meta level, since both sides are blowing the Deep State.) Nothing against political livestock, however. It's their job to flush out the anemic numbers of voters and make our Potemkin democracy look like somebody actually lives there. They give it a certification that belies what it is.
But there is a third class that dwarfs those two. They are the ones bursting with proactive ignorance that Jimmy Dore lampooned, as noted by Aspie. The ones with lively synapses and busy knitting fingers. The ones who put their balled fists on their cocked hips and take a stand against the Russians who have ruined their election — which marks a pinnacle in their critical thinking efforts, bless their hearts.
The Deep State and their agencies and think tanks have long manufactured a population of mental defectives, across a century of propaganda-based trial and terror. These are the multi-partisan civilian foot soldiers of the failed state, and they are killing us all with their stupidity. I actually look forward to the AIs and robots who will replace them.
Of course, we never discuss the civilian fourth class because they have removed themselves from the body politic — or in the case of the Left, they were never part of it to begin with. Today, they are the non-voting half of the population upon whom the brainwashing failed, in most cases causing enough mental damage to alienate them from civic life. Those not in prison, or in the clutches of addiction, or reduced to a bible icon, or caught up in a level of human dignity and self awareness that precludes their participation in the American charade — are indeed a force that could change everything. But they, too, are self-selecting evolutionaries and will not put their DNA at risk for such a shoddy return.
Looking straight at it, we see that all these "armies" are marching to the end of times on SSRIs.
Civilizations are rather short cycles in the larger scheme of things. but they do yield a lot of repeating patterns. In observing the patterns that emerge from democracies, Plato put a fine point on it: "This city is what it is because its citizens are what they are." The ancient Greeks and the modern Americans strike me as the bookends of Western civilization. They both created ultimate systems of democracy while owning slaves, and never noticed a conflict of interest.
/rant
@Pluto's Republic Excellent comment. As
Excellent comment. As usual, I both agree and disagree. But I gotta get off the computer now. Dinnertime!
Maybe I can give a real response later.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
proactive ignorance
WTF is that? Is that like insisting that disbelievers convert to the existent ignorance? If I want to subject myself to evangelism, I at least expect them to talk a good game. Hillbots cannot do this--but they have memorized their talking points: conspiracy theorists, right-wing plot, misogyny, etc.
That's about right, Ed.
The adjectives I used in the past began with "stubborn" because it wouldn't go away with treatment and rehabilitation. Like a stubborn cold.
Then I moved on to "deliberate" because I thought it was passive aggressive. They knew the facts but they stuck to the dumb.
Next was "belligerent" because the ignorance became weaponized and aggressive. Like hillbillies on the edge of town burning an old tire on Earth Day to stick it to the imaginary tree-huggers.
"Proactive" ignorance evolved out of Donald Trump's playbook. Double down on the error and make it a czar in your administration. Put it in charge of a treasured government service.
I now understand
This is what all of Drumpf's cabinet is about: proactively destroying any semblance of civic responsibility or even consciousness thereof, in the name of foolish phantom "public service".
Partly that's true
But I can absolutely assert that "too busy to research" is not the cause in at least some cases. I am always shocked and baffled by the deliberate ignorance... heck... a WALL of ignorance... put up by my own family. I could almost imagine them sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting, "I can't hear you" over and over.
No, I think the problem is that the matrix is awful in a lot of ways. But real life is an awful lot worse. At least for me, it was hard both intellectually and emotionally to come to grips with reality.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I Really Don't Care To Waste Time Over Analyzing $hillbots...
The simple fact is that you are far more likely to have a logical political discussion with a Tea Partier than a $hillbot...
At least the Tea Partier doesn't have any pretenses about what they stand for...
The $hillbot on the other hand will have you pulling your hair out and feeling aggravated enough to punch face within a few minutes with their grandiose claims of progressiveness while they spout off their Republican Lite beliefs and defend their soulless money grubbing candidate...
I just stick with STFU and no need for discussion...
They aren't worth the aggravation...
I'm just grateful that I don't have close relatives that drank the $hillary Kook-Aid...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Fans!
A couple of people have asked me if I'm a Bernie Sanders fan, because, you know, they're probably either Hillary "fans" or at about the same mental level.
I've had to tell them, no. I'm not a Bernie Sanders fan, and I don't think Bernie has fans. Bernie Sanders has supporters and I'm one. Fans are for movie stars, t.v. "personalities" (check in the White House), and pop musicians. This is a little more serious....are you?
But for Hillbots, there's no embarrassment in, "Yeah! I'm a fan!"
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
etymologically, "fan" is a shortening of "fanatic".
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
@UntimelyRippd Good point.
Good point.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Exactly. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Wow! That one Hillary Supporter
actually asserted that Russia had a bigger influence on American politics than Israel.
This is why I feel like the first and only possible step in terms of making some headway against the oligarchy is getting people to wake the hell up. That guy's level of ignorance is simply staggering. No matter what you believe about Russian and the '16 election, if you don't know that Israel virtually runs the US government then you are living in the matrix.
In case anyone cares, step two is finding some place where we can all accumulate so as to eventually form a working voting bloc.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Subject: this thread.
Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
I made it to the 1:45 mark and just had to
give it up.
THey’re tired? So what? That’s no excuse for ignorance. People have always been ‘tired’. Before the Boomers, everyone WAS tired. Our lives today are a piece of cake compared to previous generations. No, there’s more to it than being tired.
To still keep pissing and moaning about the RUSSIANS! RUSSIANS! RUSSIANS! stealing the election after all the sleezy schemes and scams she pulled that have been tevealed puts them right back at STUPID. They’re so intellectually and ethically challenged that they can excuse her obvious and proven rigging of the whole Democratic ‘election’. They don't have a problem that she BOUGHT AND PAID FOR the DNC a year before she officially (haha) even became the candidate. That sets off no alarms? Raises no doubts about the Clinton Creature’s integrity? Or rather her lack of integrity? That she CHEATED? None of that gets through. They ADMIRE her even more for cheating it seems.
There is something seriously wrong with people like that. They refuse to face that it was herself and her new BFF, President Hopey-Changey Transformational Peace Prize, that ended up paying for the production of what I think should now be referred to as the ‘Clinton Dossier’. There was a shitload of ‘collusion’ right there. And it was used to start all these investigations based on rumor, gossip, lies, and maybe A tiny bit of inconsequential ‘truth’ And they paid millions for it. WTF?
Tired can be fixed. These people are like brainwashed cult members. Talk about Kool Aid drinkers. They are intellectual and moral bankrupts. These people can’t be cured. Or fixed.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I'm not sure dtm meant the people in
that video as being tired. Those, to me, are just the willful ignorant. The young guy can maybe be excused, parental propaganda sounds like there. But that older guy does get an almost defensive look when talking about Hillary. I noticed that at Thanksgiving when confronted with a Hillbot older guy. Their whole paradigm is slimy ass Tea Bag Repugnants are the enemy, period, and you'll do whatever we all "should" do to keep them out of office. They refuse to see the corruption on their side and they're quite willful there. Maybe they are tired but I think they're scared. They know, deep in their gut, there is no one on "their side" anymore in our shitty ass system. They just do NOT want to admit that most hope is lost, electoral hope being pretty much a non-starter. Fear. It sells and look how Hillary sold them on that monster she helped elect?? These types blame HIM, not her and they're scared out of their wits. IMHO. Just as bad as any Bagger ever was, I hear.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
kool aid - also known as "bug juice"
This, seriously,
is the only Jimmy Dore You Tube I found too painful to watch.
What surprised me was that he kept a straight face.
I would have gone off on all of them.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I admire the fact that he did not
Jimmy Dore gave them his respect for allowing their unfiltered opinions which allowed him to get truly honest answers. And the honesty of their answers is what is so frightening. These people are a part of a cult. Not one of them ever mentioned her policies as a reason why they supported her.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
This was so important, I agree.
There is metadata there that must be analyzed. How and why did this cancer of misinformation infected the body politic?
@Pluto's Republic Well, not to be
Well, not to be dumb-obvious, but through the corporate media.
It all depends on where you get your information. Or, well, not ALL, but a lot of it does.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The question I had in mind is different.
How and why did the public become susceptible to such ham-fisted propaganda? They would have to completely suspend disbelief to buy into such a silly narrative with no evidence at all. Not a bit. A narrative brought to them by the very same people who lied them into the Iraq war. What happened to strip them of their critical faculties?
We should be able to see how they were set up for intellectual failure. We probably did see part of it, come to think of it. "USA! USA! USA!" A spontaneous cry for unity in the face of fear. The cynical Democratic cartel set their triggers for "boogyman panic." It would be nice to know more about how it was done.
In a real Democracy, they are dangerously incapacitated Manchurians. In our corporate-owned duopoly, it doesn't really matter. Both candidates will serve the Deep State and the interests of Israel.
The disappointment is that they don't have the right stuff for a Party that can lead the nation out of this war criminal horror show. It's likely the Democratic Party will remain the center-right Party that it is. Anybody to the Left of Netanyahu (which is the majority of Americans including the Millennials) will have to work fast to build a loyal opposition Party so they have a voice in their own futures.
This is what the Center-Right Democratic Party looked like in 2012. (h/t Cassiodorus)
This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.
The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principal architects to top economic positions.
A more detailed analysis can be found at The New Political Compass.
Looks like the Ain't Trump Awful has had some effect...
Yet, the last survey I heard about said that he and Hillary would still be neck-and-neck at 40% each if the election were held again today.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
effin' depressin'
and a sign that we are have been ground to a nub. It's just hard to raise outrage levels now. And the Wall is substantial. They don't care at all.
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