Whitehead: "The Experiment in Freedom is Failing"
I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I know (or, rather, knew, as I've since looked him up) nothing about John W. Whitehead, or the Rutherford Institute: something I'd venture to guess is not true for most other people here.
Just in case, however, here's a brief snippet from his bio:
John W. Whitehead is an attorney and author who has written, debated and practiced widely in the area of constitutional law and human rights. Whitehead's concern for the persecuted and oppressed led him, in 1982, to establish The Rutherford Institute, a nonprofit civil liberties and human rights organization whose international headquarters are located in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Whitehead gained international renown as a result of his role as co-counsel in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton.
What brings me to Whitehead today? An article he published at Counterpunch, "The Experiment in Freedom is Failing." The entire article is worth the time it takes to read. The takeaway?
For too long, the American people have obeyed the government’s dictates, no matter now unjust.
We have paid its taxes, penalties and fines, no matter how outrageous. We have tolerated its indignities, insults and abuses, no matter how egregious. We have turned a blind eye to its indiscretions and incompetence, no matter how imprudent. We have held our silence in the face of its lawlessness, licentiousness and corruption, no matter how illicit.
Oh how we have suffered.
Wake up, America, and break free of your chains.Something wicked this way comes.
I would ask: why does this man, and his ideas, not get more exposure? But I already know the answer to that. So instead, I'll ask: How can we ally ourselves with him?
I'm in Big Al's camp in thinking that we, the people, are in inextricable mess with only one clear way out. But I get tripped up when it's time to think of how we get out, especially with so many of our fellow Americans hypnotized by the media and our politicians. Perhaps if we could find a way to amplify Whitehead's message, it would be a start?
At any rate, his books have now vaulted to the top of my reading list.
Comments
Money Quote
Now that's talking truth to power.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Because he EXCLUSIVELY blames government, not business
This man is an excellent rightwing propagandist.
Read his stuff. Do corporations take any blame for putting the government up to doing awful things? Corporations sometimes do it to make a profit, sometimes to have the law do their dirtywork (as in having the government smash OWS). You would never think to blame Goldman Sachs or Raytheon or Exxon if all you listened to was this guy.
No, this man is poison for true lefties, because he steals our clothes. He excoriates the police state while letting the corporations that lobby for it off scot free. Its all part of the plan. Silence/censor true left wing voices, then stir the shit with the masses from a rightwing POV. Mission accomplished: the proles blame only the government, not the government's corporate masters and billionaire funders.
Not buying this guy's line.
Excellent food for thought.
That said, couldn't you make the case that the Raytheons, Exxon Mobils and Goldman Sachs of the world couldn't screw us front, back and sideways without full support from the government? I think plenty of
peopleplebes blamed Goldman Sachs, for instance, but fat lot of good that did us.I dispute the direction your causality flows
The government didn't USED TO support GS's right to loot everything. The government used to fine and sue Wall St. It is by buying the politicians with their deep pockets that GS has been able to twist the law to support GS. Case in point: Trump just appointed some insider hack to run the SEC. Is that "support from" the government or control of the government?
The government doesn't SUPPORT GS, the government is OWNED BY GS. The government is the red cape that the enraged populist bull charges. The matador (GS) is unharmed, and still intent on killing the populists.
Amen!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Yes, and
I agree with your logic. I also think the whole government/business issue is a bit chicken-and-egg. I know the government didn't used to support unfettered corporate greed at the expense of regular citizens. But now it does, and it seems impossible to stuff that horse back into the barn. How can we effectively change our current situation by going after giant multi-national corporations, especially when we lack the mechanisms?
Honest question.
Internet billionaires now rule the commons as their private fief
By their control over Amazon, Google, Facebook, and the like, a few fabulously wealthy oligarchs now own the public square, the medium, the very air over which speech, sharing, and community organizing are supposed to take place.
Yep. Just look at what Google has done the amount of traffic
to alternative news websites. Many have lost anywhere from 30-90% of internet traffic and are struggling to survive. They have been asking for donations because they want to keep their websites free from ads.
This should be considered interference or suppression of news websites, but who is going to charge them with that?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
It's depressing.
Good question
Americans have about as much chance of changing our corporatist government as the Germans had of getting rid of Hitler with parliamentary politics. ZERO. Our political system is not coming back from the last thirty years of being systematically looted, sabotaged, and trashed by rightwing lunatics, corporatist neoliberals, and Silicon Valley techno-Libertarians.
Our 200+ year old Constitution has proven itself simply unable to fight off the kind of insider/big money assault that has been run since Reagan came in. Voting registration has been rolled back to Jim Crow levels of exclusion. Voting machines are completely hacked. The DNC is nothing but a front for corporate money; it will not allow progressives any role. The corporate media will not only not air leftwing POVs, they will label them as "fake news".
We can't change anything. Our only hope is that corporate America pisses off the rest of the world so much that our house of Ponzi-schemes economy is torpedoed while our military is contained. Trump is actually better for that than Hillary would have been. He is smashing up US credibility worldwide while accomplishing nothing militarily. Our only genuine allies are Israel and KSA - and KSA just bought S-400's and visited Moscow.
It won't be fun to be here when the US comes crashing down while the perps escape on Ratlines to whatever boltholes they have prepared, ala Nazis scuttling off to safety in South America.
But maybe, if WW3 isn't the result, those who survive the downfall of corporate America might be able to write a better Constitution for the Second American Republic. Because the First One is over.
Unfortunately
I tend to agree with everything you wrote in that post; I really think that is the reality we in the U.S. face at this point.
I couldn't agee more
Did the constitution fail to unable to fight off the kind of
insider/big money assaults... or was it simply ignored by those who had the power to do so?
Republicans have ignored the premise that every eligible voter to vote because republicans used some made up rules tying voting with the census. There is nothing in the constitution that requires people to have to show their IDs to be able to vote, yet republican states made up this rule knowing damn well that it would affect poor people who don't have the access to jump through their hoops. Many places that where people could get their I
Do (papers that prove who they are) have been close down so people have to go farther to get them and if they don't have their papers, they have to make return trips. For people who don't have transportation to the places or have to take time off or work to do this aren't going to be able to do so. Many times their families have to drive them there which means that they too have to take time off of their jobs.
And of course the democrats have done nothing about this.
The Supreme Court made up its own rules when it passed Citizens United which threw campaign finance under the bus. Instead of just Russia being able to influence elections (s/), other foreign governments can give money to anyone's super PAC that helps meet their goals.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
what if Sanders had walked out of the convention?
denounced dnc and accepted stein's offer to head green ticket.
what then?
would have been real interesting. tptb could not have stopped him at that point.
f**k threats, he could have run from a bunker.
I think we had a chance, but we had the wrong horse.
needed Lincoln, got Bernie.
if he runs as a dem in 2020, prepare for the sequel.
if he runs independent, I will pay attention.
@irishking
By doing what he did, Bernie was able to bring Progressive ideas such as a living wage and universal healthcare to those Americans restricted to a corporate media which normally blacks out such ideas.
Would they otherwise be so widely regarded as possible - or mentioned at all in anything mainstream otherwise typically running non-stop propaganda - if Bernie had spat defiance at the
CoronationDNC Nom-the-nation Convention and been suppressed into silenced obscurity?Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
suppressed into silent obscurity
as Green Party candidate he would not have been obscure.
certainly would have made debate stage.
running as a dem had given him all the publicity he needed.
by cheating, the dems gave him the perfect out.
he refused to jump.
so we'll never know.
if sanders runs as a dem in 2020 , I expect the same tent folding at the end.
sorry to say it. happy to be wrong.
@arendt
Well, the fact that American's Constitutional rights and (an updated version of) its more enlightened Founders intent were ignored by those regarding and even referring to the Constitution they swore to uphold as a condition of holding public office 'as a piece of paper' doesn't make the basis of legitimate law - overriding all others - in America invalid. It just makes such officials in violation of their Oath and therefore loses them that public office, whether this is officially/publicly recognized or not.
The more so as legitimate US government must be as described: of, by and for the people, with equal rights, treatment and opportunity guaranteed for all. Meaning that nobody can be 'above the law', even if a criminal gang invades government, as occurred some time ago.
Such an undemocratic fuss created over protesting people standing up for America by not 'standing up for the flag and anthem' - these being mere transient symbols which could be altered without changing anything or anyone else else and currently representing fascism - while the Constitution forming the actual heart of the country is used as toilet paper under the distraction of false 'patriotism'.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We need to subvert and thereby undermine the state's
power to crush strikes and boycotts while becoming cooperatively as resilient and quasi-self sufficient as possible.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I do see
If you're coming at his argument on those grounds, I see your point.
(Edited for clarity).
He is Dominionist, not a Libertarian
See my response "You are completely ignorant of Whitehead/Rutherford background" below.
Thanks.
@arendt
OMG, thanks for the information!
This is how fascism and other fanaticism takes over in such times, by conning those of us who fall for speeches and assuming that what's meant is what we'd mean ourselves...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Maybe, maybe not
the banks have been involved in both sides of every military intervention we have been involved in. The power of the banks go back to the JP Morgan days when he and other banks got on board with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.
I see both sides of your arguments coming from different directions.
The last time that banks had to pay a price was after the Great Depression. They certainly didn't own government at this time and they didn't just gain power after the Clintons created their DLC. This was built on the policies of Reagan and others who came before him.
But it's obvious that they own the government now.
I posted a link to an article about how they were given free reign after the global economy crisis, but they were the ones who helped destroy glass steagal.
I could be totally wrong about this, but then again, not.
I'm not as well versed on this as others are.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
point of order.
http://grammarist.com/spelling/free-rein-free-reign/
@irishking
True, but the Banksters also do, unfortunately reign as well, which led me to think that this play on words was intended?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I Beg To Differ
And headnotes from the article:
We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves
We’re being taken advantage of by a government of scoundrels, idiots and cowards
We’re being ravaged by a government of ruffians, rapists and killers (in reference to SWAT teams)
This article is as caustic of a condemnation of the U.S. government
as any that I am aware of.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
redacted - because I am drunk - nah
no more comment
https://www.euronews.com/live
You speak of the government as if it were not a wholly owned...
subsidiary of Wall St., the MIC, Big Oil, the Koch Brothers, Jeff Bezos, and all the rest of the Deep State.
Mr. Rutherford only wants to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. He wants Christian Reconstructionist in charge instead of Godless Neoliberal Elites.
I Don't See It
From Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Institute
Whitehead is a regular contributor at Counterpunch. I am not aware of Counterpunch providing a soap box for Christian Fundamentalists.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
We're you politically aware 30 years ago, when this guy debuted
Do you have any idea that the Dominionists are as slippery as the Koch Brothers. Their operatives sit around denying they are Dominionists even as they forward the cause.
Do you deny the heavily documented Dominionist background of Whitehead and Rutherford?
Sorry, I don't trust Counterpunch 100% anymore. Cockburn has trashed Caitlin Johnstone, and he constantly posts an ex-Israeli soldier/med student, whose POV is too right/neolib for me.
Bottom line: Counterpunch has no problem publishing not very far left sources. I see no reason they would not publish anyone who gets their numbers up and keeps them from being labeled "fake news"
As I said, after 15+ years of vociferous fundamentalist agitation, Whitehead no longer has that up front - but he has never disavowed it. As I said, he is now able to trash the government that he helped create via years of tying it up in fundamentalist lawsuits. A self-fulfilling prophet.
To be fair to Whitehead...
he did write this in the article: Not surprisingly, the primary ones to benefit from these government exercises in legal money laundering have been the corporations, lobbyists and politicians who inflict them on a trusting public.
@arendt
Staffed by them, too...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
See my reply below
"You are completely ignorant of Whitehead/Rutherford background"
The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
Absolutely.
This is one of the things that the article discusses.
Another point is this:
This was after he wrote about how every organization in our government has been armed with the same military equipment that the military has. They collected billions of hollow point bullets which I read about 10 years ago. Why would the departments of the social security administration, the FDA, NASA, department of education and other agencies need to have that many bullets let alone military equipment? For this:?
Remember that Obama signed legislation in one of the NDAAs that says the military can arrest anyone who they think is involved in terrorist activities and hold them indefinitely without charges or access to a lawyer.
Martial law already had a trial run after the Boston bombings. SWAT teams went through Watertown under the pretense of looking for the bombers. They kicked people out of their homes and searched them without warrants. How did people do during this trial run on martial law? They failed. Miserably.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
@arendt
Good point - depending whether or not he views the US government, as it stands, as consisting of representatives of corporate/billionaire self-interests, even where they have not moved in directly from their ranks, as has been the case since the Bush 2 Admin.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Whitehead is right on.
It's a criminal enterprise at the top controlled by the oligarchy which includes major corporations, banks, rich people, etc. Whitehead certainly knows that but focuses on primarily the police state.
As you said, it's a tough row to hoe but in the end we have to change how we're governed. Right now we are being ruled by the rich, government to the highest bidder and it has to be changed. More and more are realizing that can't be done thru this political system, that is the primary vehicle in which they maintain their rule.
You are completely ignorant of Whitehead/Rutherford background
The Rutherford Institute has been fundametalist rightwing from day one. They hate government because they are FUCKING DOMINIONIST THEOCRATS.
The last two quotes were found at:
http://exiledonline.com/rightwing-rutherford-institute-co-founded-by-a-r...
Whitehead is in the Christian fundamentalist wing of the "I hate government" party. He and the Libertarian wing have spent the last thirty years smashing up the government. Hearing him complain about the state of the government is like hearing an abused wife being lectured by her drunken husband about her poor housekeeping after he just trashed the house.
Please find out where the ship you are boarding is headed before you get on board.
Good to know.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Don't tell me what to do please.
Maybe if you could say specifically what you disagreed with in his essay it would be helpful.
I already said it.
I remember this also from decades of fundamentalist horseshit. I don't listen to a word he says, except to point out what a fundamentalist fanatic he is.
If you are offended by that, I am sorry. I am done splitting hairs about people who want to split my head. (Not you, Whitehead.)
Nothing worse than being right for the wrong reasons
Didn't T.S. Eliot call that "the ultimate treason"? (Murder in the Cathedral)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Thank you. So concise. My essays in 9 words. n/t
That's fine. I understand where you're coming from.
Good. I'm glad we understand each other.
Having been raised Catholic, authoritarian religions have always scared me. But, fundamentalists? And Dominionists? They are absolute nutbags. And, the Koch Brothers toss them a few crumbs and use them.
The Kochs think they can use Dominionists the way the German industrialists thought they could use Hitler. Just wait until Mike Pence gets in.
To me, Whitehead is a known "made man" in the Dominionist crime family. I cut him no slack whatsoever. If he said something correct, its "two generals on a raft" - enemies going in the same direction.
Well again, I don't think you'll see Mike Pence saying the
Whitehead reminds me of the Catholic Church after WW2
They worked hand in glove with Mussolini, who made them the state religion. They looked the other way about the Nazis. After WW2, they were dirty. So, presto, chango, they became the most ferocious anti-communists in the West. Rehabilitation through Commie-bashing.
Based on his own writings in the 1980s, he worked hand in glove with the Dominionists. (( Now, unlike the Nazis then, the Dominionists now are still around. I mean, Abrahmson bought (?and still owns?) one of the crooked voting machine companies.)) But, the fundies are losing adherents, especially among young people. I mean, hell they told their people to vote for Trump. The fundies have exposed themselves as rank hypocrites.
So, having blown up your right wing base, what does Whitehead do? He becomes a screaming anti-Trumper. No apologies about his past. Only look forward. How convenient. And lefties who don't have a history about this guy are buying him like he has no rap sheet.
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The link is about as strong as the Dominionists let surface. RI was funded initially by them. Rushooney praised the guy. What do you want, Nixonian tapes? These guys are mafiosi, they are smart enough to speak elliptically, and well-connected enough to just deny everything and run the paper shredders.
"Not a big deal." That doesn't work for me. I was there in the 80s. I saw these dangerous creeps. I have not forgotten them, Whitehead especially.
The fact that you don't find Whitehead suspicious just depresses me. The record of the RI is a hard right record, with a lot of PR spin about how they benefit everyone. I remember it differently. They went full on after Bill Clinton, with a pile of money from that deceased, deranged hater, Richard Mellon Scaife; but they didn't go after any GOP sex scandals.
They have always been rightwing fundamentalist tools; and if you think they are on your side, you are setting yourself up for a pointy object in your back. Just my opinion, based on my life experience. You might find it a little thin.
@Big Al
The best of articles on Dominionism in the White House and elsewhere started disappearing, at least hiding from my searches, some years ago, or had the term altered to Calvanism or the like in various articles remaining. And the top article showing on this search page is at TOP...
But it's essentially a psychopathic corporate-funded, corporate/wealth-worshipping ideology that teaches that the wealthiest are beloved of God and that the wealthiest have the right to do whatever they want to the less/not wealthy, no matter how cruel. And deception is their gospel.
This is enough for a hint to stay well clear of any of their ilk. This lot almost makes me believe in devils...
Might want to read this in full at source, start picking out politically influential names - including Betsy DeVos, 'helping' the children of the Disposable Poors rid themselves of enforced public schooling... they like to indoctrinate toddlers into submission to their insanity.
(Emphasis mine)
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/8/23/142836/277
Their god is Meritocracy. Son of Mammon...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/betsy-devos-trumps-education-pick-could-ma...
The Bush 2 gang is back with a vengeance, Dominionism and all - although this has not yet been as immediately apparent as this would have been under Family member, Hillary Clinton.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/12/17/34033/248
Also links to:
(Emphasis mine)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clin...
This is a very tactful article, which doesn't emphasize, in the manner of exposes I can no longer find, the fact that The Family is Dominionist and believes that God sends wealth and power to the chosen few who are entitled to be ruthless about stealing these from others so that they can exert power freely over those with less of these evidences of God's blessings and permission for their exercise of tyranny.
Yeah, I know, right out of the Christian description of their Devil and his temptations, isn't it?
Thanks to such as these, evil has what is now instead termed a 'right wing' bias - instead of using the modern term, as an obvious pathology.
Edited both to add a missed comma and add that actual Conservatives would never have recognized the destructive ideology termed 'right wing' in America nowadays as Conservatism - which seeks to conserve.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Big Al
Thing is, no Dominionist will.
They teach a basic deception strategy, to pretend to be friendly or to lure in people by pretense so that they can gain trust in order to abuse it by trying to con them into their pathological cult.
As soon as Arendt said this guy was a Dominionist, I realized that that was probably why Rutherford sounded uncomfortably familiar, that there was something negative associated, even though I still don't recall any details about it or him.
I do recall that Dominionism's a psychopath-designed ideology... but only the wealthiest and most powerful forming the inner circle are intended to benefit by the ruthless draining and abuse of others. They've been polluting Washington forever, which helps to explain a lot.
Hillary's been in tightly with the Washington lot since she was a Senator and was influenced by them in her youth.
In this case, they're using the truth to draw us in.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Agree.
It's certainly instructive to understand the underpinnings of his message -- and prudent to keep that in mind -- but if the message itself is sound ...
Posted this before seeing
See, I'm so glad I posted the essay itself. I am learning so much from the comments, and the intelligent, respectful dialog.
Good essay. Thanks for writing this
CP has been one of my favorite websites, but every now and again, it will allow articles that they used to not be associated with.
The one that attacked Caitlyn was something I would have seen on Breitbarf.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Whitehead's Articles At Counterpunch
I checked out Source watch and the Rutherford website. They have flaws, but I can't argue with the thrust of his Counterpunch articles:
https://www.counterpunch.org/author/johnwhite1124/
Patriots and Protesters Should Take A Knee:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/27/patriots-and-protesters-should-t...
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
@Meteor Man
1) grammar is unclear. Who has flaws? The SourceWatch article is ten years old.
2) You draw your circle too narrowly. What this guy said and did 10, 20, 30 years ago is relevant. This leopard has not changed his spots.
3) A broken clock is right twice a day. He has never stopped hating any non-fundamentalist government and working to bring it down. The right has reduced the government to Trump V Clinton. Any moron could criticize that. But it takes an ideologue to do so without mentioning the corporations and Deep State pulling the strings.
Question for you: if the government is brought down, who do you expect to be in charge? People like Whitehead? Dog save us.
@Big Al
True - but Trump said similar, if not so well-phrased, and it's a great lure to gain the trust of those who merely protest anyone but themselves holding the totalitarian power they wish to have themselves.
We're just lucky here to have someone here aware and warning us that he's a Dominionist, which is a psychopathic belief system of everything detestable.
Edit: not sure how I accidentally knocked off a necessary word within two sentences, when it usually takes three...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Here's another writeup of the RI. Same take: fundamentalist.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Rutherford_Institute
What Is TurnOUT!
I couldn't find their blog. Bing turned up nada.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
The sourcewatch article is 10 years old.
TurnOut is probably long dead. Let me try the WayBack Machine.
BTW, I don't know if you are aware of the history of SourceWatch. I don't remember when I first came across it, (or which subset of it) although I think it was in the 1990s, it was one of the first websites to start collating all the JFK/RFK/MLK players, drawing charts about who worked for who, and what organizations talked to what organizations. (Dirty places like Nguyen-Hand Bank, Banco Ambrosiano, BCCI.) It was quite a groundbreaking website.
But, it is way less popular than it used to be (maybe that's just relative to today's giant sites). I suspect that its founders have long since aged out or moved on. Nevertheless, their database is still valid. Especialy for tracking down thirty year old bums like Whitehead.
I Dunno
I went to Lew Rockwell and saw some decent articles and some cheesy ones. I can't read minds, I just read articles. The Dominionism link seems a little thin. Ijust don't see this as all that big a deal. My crystal ball can't predict who takes over after Trump and current Gopers destroy the planet.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Wayback Machine for www.turnleft.com
TurnOUT! list of radical right organizations
http://www.turnleft.com/out/knowthy_orgs.html
Wayback linky: https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.turnleft.com
I picked a random day/year, like that spike on January 12th 2012. It's a 302 redirect to http://turnleftblog.blogspot.com :
turnleft.com is now owned by a domain speculator, the worst vermin to ever live on the Internets. It is for sale of course, the domain and every TLD one could think of. dot com, dot org, dot info, dot greedy bastards.
That's it for my blog sleuthing, I clicked around and read stuff for a while. Seems pretty bog standard blog stuff, left wing version. Okay, back on topic ... I don't have anything to add. Thanks
Thank you. You actually found something. I tried and failed.
Domain speculators. Yuch. They are disgusting, but not really dangerous. Just the kind of economic bottomfeeders, nickel and dime scalpers and middlemen, that you find at the bottom of any pool of dirty water.
OTOH, I have a friend who has held a three-letter .com address since the start of the internet. (That is, something like www.abc.com.) I expect that he will make a few bucks when he decides to give it up.
Wow! Why isn't he President
Edit to retract anything nice I said based on the impression given by someone I was not aware was a Dominionist.
They lie like the Christian Devil and emulate that concept of calculated evil self-interest well enough to pass for a pack of them.
That's one of the many destructive self-interest groups that imperatively must be rooted out of Washington, politics and policy.
Timed out again, bet this doubles...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I guess I'll have to take you guys word for it.
Lesson learned.
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I know you have issues with connectivity based on country, but I have occasional issues as well.
When I do, here's what I also do when I'm trying to post a comment (after hitting save button):
I open another browser tab, go to c99, and then go see if it posted. Most times it does. Then I go close the one that hung up or timed out, and continue on from the new, updated one.
@Deja
Thanks! I actually do that when things aren't so slow, but the house we've moved to supposedly has what the wireless provider installation guy terms 'interference' (from what, I've no idea) problems upstairs. They put in a booster, but they put it in downstairs beside the other one (and it's separate, rather than being any sort of booster) and is off-line even more, as well as often registering as being even lower-power, than than the original one, so it's useless.
I've spent 20 or more minutes just trying to get a video to load, even though it can be quite fast on rare occasions. At times like this, I'd rather not spend possibly that long or longer waiting just for another page to show even without possibly multiple timing out/losing connection, (which last is trickier with the Linux, which also has to be signed in all over, when I finally get through to do that) as the page has to wait for and access DDG and then connect with the site and then get me to the right page when it's already crawling and possibly timing out all over the place, just to check...
I suspect that the real issue is that we've moved into a bad area from suburbia and impoverished areas get fewer towers...
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