The medias coverage on LV shooting is starting to bug me
There’s the report now of an unarmed security guard who was the first to encounter Paddock and survived a hail of 200 bullets, then led the police to the shooter’s site.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/security-guard-las-vegas-gunman-unarmed/story?i...
The guard who found the shooter and helped bring the massacre to an end said, “I was just doing my job.”
It took authorities just minutes to locate where the bullets were coming from after the attack rang out. Once police breached the door to Paddock’s suite on the 32nd floor of the hotel, they found him dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.
But reports within hours of the event told a different story.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/a-fire-ala...
As the gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, fired round after round, gun smoke filled his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, said Randy Sutton, a retired lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, citing police sources.
The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock’s position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino.
What I find odd is at the time of the smoke alarm report, the media was saying the gunfire lasted for 20 minutes. So this was the explanation given for why it took the police 20 minutes to get there. Later, when all the mountains of home video showed the gunfire lasted only 9 minutes, the media backtracked on the 20 minutes of gunfire narrative and began saying the gunfire “must have seemed like eternity” to the concertgoers. Suddenly, their “it took 20 minutes to locate the shooter” story was about to fall apart. So now we have a security guard who led the police straight to the shooter.
There's more and more things about this shooting that just don't add up. And media reporting is an excellent source of information - not in the story they're reporting but in the lies they're parroting. The media is lying and they keep changing their story when their lies catch up to them. This should send a red flag up to anyone.
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200 bullets?
If he was shooting in the hallway, wouldn't some of those bullets have pierced the walls of adjoining rooms? He shot 200 bullets and only one hit the guard?
Someone who knows automatic weapons, please tell us if it was possible for one man to shoot almost continuously at the people at the festival and still have time to shoot 200 bullets into the hallway.
I know zero about guns, so I may be wrong, but that seems to be a lot of firing in a total of about nine minutes, including when he shot the 200 bullets into the hallway.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
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It does seem like a lot, doesn't it?
It might be exaggeration. When they get the time to count bullet holes it might be more like 20. A teaspoon of blood looks like gallons, a dozen dead people looks like thousands (from the taxi video), someone shooting 20 rounds at you seems like 200, it went on forever, etc. Perfectly understandable.
In the last thread we were speculating whether he had time to fire enough rounds at the concert grounds, no he didn't have time to fire half that many into the room's door.
The rounds would easily penetrate drywall. If the room doors are hollow core (like an interior door) the bullets would pass right through. A solid core door would do a decent job of slowing them down. They probably wouldn't make it through two solid core doors (I don't know for sure, I never tried it). I tried a .357 magnum handgun round once, it was stopped by a 2x4 edgewise but almost make it through. So if the room doors are opposite one another the next room might not have been shot up too badly. Still plenty of energy left after going through one door to wound the security guy, that plus adrenaline might have been the reason he was able to stay on his feet.
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I heard he had
90 round clips. M16s can empty a 20 round clip in under 3 seconds. Closer to 2 seconds. I'm guessing 90 rounds in under 15 seconds, maybe closer to 12. 200 rounds in 40 seconds, give or take. Gone from the window maybe 50, 55 seconds. Tops.
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The other question should be
How do they know it was 200 bullets? Maybe it was only 50, 100, 119, 174, 199, 234, okay you get where I'm going with this.
But 200 bullets and he lived ? Seriously?
I am having some technical issues with the current narrative
-- using GoogleEarth, I measure the distance from the north "wing" of the Mandalay Bay hotel (where the shooter is reported to have been ensconced) to the concert stage, as approximately 400 yards (one-quarter mile). Because the shooter is reported to have been on the 32nd floor (perhaps 250 - 300 ft in elevation above the concert venue), firing from the 32nd-floor hotel room was equivalent to a "downhill" shot.
I have done quite a bit of precision shooting at long ranges with high-powered equipment, over many years, and relay the following observations:
1. Precision shooting at a range of 400 yards is not easy -- even by a practiced marksman using a very accurate rifle equipped with telescopic sights -- and firing one aimed round at a time. Making the shot "downhill" is even more difficult - the marksman needs to know the range to target with only a small margin of error, and adjusts his point-of-aim accordingly. (Counterintuitively, the shooter must aim some distance -- inches -- BELOW the intended point of impact when shooting downhill.)
2. Aimed automatic fire is notoriously difficult, and requires considerable formal training. Precision shooting at distance with automatic fire is even more problematic. It seems unlikely that an individual with limited - or no - training in controlling a weapon during full-automatic fire could reliably engage a target at a range of 400 yards.
3. I have seen no credible evidence - even anecdotal or hearsay reports - to suggest that Mr. Paddock (the reported shooter) was experienced at long-range shooting, or had any training in handling powerful weapons during full-automatic fire.
My tentative conclusion: Credible evidence presented by disinterested parties will be necessary to convince me that Mr. Paddock was indeed the shooter.
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Correct!
Every point you are making is true.
Except he wasn't aiming. If he hadn't had 22,000 targets bunched together he likely wouldn't have hit anything. All he was doing was filling a several acre space with lead.
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"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I know that "targets" look "close together",
, when bunched up at a distance. However, if you do the calcs, you will find that less than about 10 percent of the surface area of the concert venue - even when fully occupied "pre-shooter" activity - was actually occupied by people. (Among other reasons, this is because uncoerced individuals naturally keep some space between themselves and others.) Applying that logic, if the gunman was randomly spraying bullets at the crowd - at a distance of 400 yards!- approximately 10 percent of the rounds might actually have encountered a human target, at random. Reports to date indicate that approximately 600 individuals were "hit" - some more than once - so, conservatively, maybe 600 - 700 rounds actually encountered a human target. Using our "10-percent rule", the shooter needed to have fired between 6,000 - 7,000 rounds - randomly - to hit that many separate targets -- a near impossibility. Most of those rounds were aimed, not fired at random --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
yep. Ain't gotta be accurate.
just keep squeezing that trigger. Gonna hit sumpthin'.
Or Lots of sumpthins.
That said, Very unlikely one shooter pulled this off.
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I am totally convinced it was False Flag
And many Americans died. Where are the heart-rending stories about the non-American tourists? Where are the hotel tapes? I don't appreciate being jerked about.
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Indeed, where are the hotel tapes?
If you've ever been to a Las Vegas hotel (the big ones), you'll cameras at the end of each hall, capturing views of stairwell entrance doors, in elevator vestibules, and in the elevators themselves. The videos all disappeared? Hmmm.
Conflicting stories of a security guard killed on the 29th floor and now 200 bullets fired in a hallway at a security guard don't make sense. The 223 rounds which missed the target (security guard) certainly must have impacted walls, doors, ceiling, and floor. Where the pictures of the 32nd floor other than the suite Paddock was in?
Even if it "only took 20 minutes" to find the shooter's room, why so long. These hotels have smoke and CO detectors on every floor. Plenty of smoke could have escaped into the hallway even in a few minutes of firing to excite the smoke detectors. The LV Sheriff said it took 72 minutes for the police to find the shooters. Hmmm.
This is a mini 9/11, the aim of which is greater that an automatic weapon ban. What it is won't be known for a while. Meanwhile MSM is "improving" their reporting. After the ISIS conversion blew away like a pile of leaves in a windstorm, now Paddock became a psychopathic killer instead.
What about the note on a table in Paddock's suite? What did it say? Why can't we see a copy of it?
MSM coverage will be 99.99% bullshit,
because they only report what they are told to report and no longer do real investigative work on their own. I expect the initial Lone Wolf narrative will begin to unravel as incongruent details provided by eye witnesses and their cell phone cameras continue to emerge. The reporting will be adjusted, but don't expect to be in the form of a correction. They will simply pass along the "new and improved story" provided by the same "reliable sources".
The censoring of videos showing possible additional shooter locations has already begun. We are already on the slippery slope to an authoritarian replacement of what used to be a representative democracy. Mission Acomplished!
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Already there, I'm afraid. They just didn't want to make it any more obvious than necessary until necessary - and until enough ciizens had been propagandized into acceptance.
People on the outside and not subjected to all of the propaganda have been seeing a fascist state established in America since the corporate-staffed, military-corporate global take-over-obsessed Bush 2 Admin was cheated in...
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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
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...even when there isn't one. The fire alarm story makes a lot more sense. The security guard's story sounds like he's been watching far too many Die Hard movies.
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Sweet baby jeebus!
Thank you so much for this!
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Exactly
This is well known isn't it? When one knows that someone has a gun and is busy killing people, there's always one person who will go up to the door and take the risk of being shot and killed. This isn't the story to go with, IMO.
But I believe in conspiracy theories so what do I know?
You can believe that any publicly released info is BS
It's just that the MSM is taking a bit more time to coalesce a coherent fable, which unlike the Russia Russia Russia fable, won't fall apart with reasonable scrutiny.
It's this type of coverage of different stories that hint that
this was a false flag event. The first time I heard about the "unarmed" security guard was that he had been killed outside the room. Now there are two more stories? Yep. False flag event.
Has anyone heard the media asking if it's time for more security at hotels? Security measures such as......full body scanners? No? Not yet, then wait for it because it's already being mentioned. Who is pushing for this? Chertoff, Obama, hotel owners and others.
The question everyone who has questions about this are asking "cui bono"?
Check out this video to see what has already been planned.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=zNqxUuyHFzc
h/t deja
Another sign that this had been planned. Big Al wrote an essay last week about scanners being installed at various places and events. Did anyone complain about this? You betcha they did. "The lines are too long and it takes too long to get inside the stadium".
This is a very chilling idea and it's going to get worse and it will continue to further erode our liberties. How long until we are lining up to get chipped with RFIDs. Will anyone complain and if so, then what? Soldiers are already being chipped. It's good to start with people who don't have a choice. This way they can tell their friends and families about this great technology. Sigh.
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This is happening because people didn't care when the TSA was formed, they continued creating more items that couldn't be taken on planes, they were allowed to get away with physically assaulting and groping people.
They search anyone who wants to go to sporting events, concerts, street celebrations and elsewhere else where people gather.
What happened before the encroachment? False flag events. The underwear bomber (remember him and how he got to fly without going through security, bought a one way ticket which is supposed to be a red flag especially because he had no luggage, his father called the authorities about him and he was escorted to the counter by two FBI agents?
Before that we had the shoe bomber and now people have to take off their shoes before going through security. Unless you are over 70 for some reason. Couldn't a 70 year old terrorists have a bomb in their shoes? Guess not. Too old. Or something.,
We didn't do much when we found out that we were being spied on every which way to Sunday.
People actually said and are still saying that they have nothing to hide, so go ahead and spy on me.
Congress passed the patriot act which was written before 9/11 and the military commission act which are both renewed every time they are going to expire.
Habeous Corpus is gone and Obama signed legislation that says the military can arrest us and hold us indefinitely without charges or access to a lawyer.
These are just a few things that have been passed in 16 years. Our constitution and the bill of rights are a joke, yet not too many people are aware of what happened or don't care.
Conflicting stories? Part of the game. Look at how many stories there were about Benghazi /s
My dog is microchipped.
I worked next to a lab and assisted in microchipping salmon! Those tend to move about in the body cavity.
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That's the idea
We can all get chipped in case we get lost. Or decide to go off grid and live our lives without government interference.
So much for JtC's idea of living on a large tract of land communal living.
What happens if someone eats the fish and swallows the chip? Will they think that the fish has learned to walk on land or learns to fly?
@snoopydawg
This 'X-ray everywhere' notion is also a great way both to make more money for the health-care industry and to more rapidly kill off those unable to afford the more expensive treatments for the increased and deadly disease which continual irradiation of everyone everywhere will cause even among the wealthiest, who evidently consider themselves immune to human ills.
And, of course, to routinely damage sperm, eggs and the unborn, as the reproductive apparatus of everyone and the fetuses of pregnant women will be exposed to this... and that includes the wealthy, as well.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Not one person has come forward with information
that Paddock spent time on firing ranges with his weapons.
He just figured it out by chatting up gun dealers?
People here I live, unfortunately, shoot 'em up on weekends in their back yards or on local shooting ranges.
Just sayin'...
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Some of the articles I've read
say that the modifications made to his guns would make it difficult for him to continue control it and it would move off target.
And another one said that the time of weapons fire was only 4.3 minutes. This is another change in the official reporting of how long he fired and how long it took for the police to get to his room.
Instead of officials giving conflicting reports, wouldn't it be smart for them to get their story right before they start saying what happened? Besides, if this was setup to happen, wouldn't they have enough time to come up with their facts the first time?
Just too many confusing facts for this to have been their "lone wolf" theory. This was determined pretty quickly, IMO. It's good to hear that many people are questioning their story. This gives me hope that people are questioning this. Too many people are too quick to believe everything that they are told.
But now more are awake and loudly questioning
"official" lines that change by the minute. Don't any asleep see the variations and timing? Look at what was done to Tom Petty's death.
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The media don't care about accuracy any longer
They only care about "Get it out there FIRST - getting it right can come later".
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The Media's Job is to Sow Confusion in Order to Make Reality
whatever the tribal leaders say it is.
This has been going on since about 2006. From misinforming in the 70s and 80s, to disinformation in the 90s, and then sowing confusion in the mid 00s.
It's a good gig.
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I am surrounded by gun nuts.
They practice. Constantly. They either do it on their property, or go to target ranges. A true gun nut is loud and proud, makes a big display of it.
If Paddock was a gun nut, his neighbors would have known, local gun ranges would have known family would have known.
Nobody has those kinds of weapons ready to use for the very first time to make their point.
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Smells like confusion tactics promulgated by compliant media to me...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.