@gjohnsit

I think the point here is that it matters when it's your friends and/or loved ones.
Those military worshipers probably don't know anyone who got killed or maimed in one of our wars.

Don't count on it, gjohnsit! There are plenty of folks out there, especially around our military community, who brag about their people who got killed or maimed in one or more of our wars, and still insist we support said wars!

The Stupid, it is quite strong in some places.....

#3
is that it matters when it's your friends and/or loved ones.
Those military worshipers probably don't know anyone who got killed or maimed in one of our wars.

@gjohnsit many people who lose a loved one in a war desperately need to believe that loss had a real purpose. To lose a lived one, and have it be utterly pointless, would bring unbearable pain. Most of these people become incredibly invested in the establishment propaganda, to avoid that pain. Telling these people the war was pointless only drives them in deeper. The establishment knows this, and uses these people ruthlessly.

#3
is that it matters when it's your friends and/or loved ones.
Those military worshipers probably don't know anyone who got killed or maimed in one of our wars.

@thanatokephaloides if this country is targeted by some big bombs. I actually wouldn't mind, especially if they were nuclear. Who wants to die from radiation?
One big light show and it's over.

Do you have jets flying over your house day after day?
I grew up in the flight path of the base and they flew for hours over my house doing touch and goes.
I live further out, but they still fly over my area. They are higher so not as noisy.
Hill is home to the F-35. Bigger noise, yeah. Go team!

#3

Hill Air Force base is located 10 miles from my house and many people have family stationed there or working there. I used to work with many people who had family in Iraq and they supported the war because of the freedom and defense malarkey. I just couldn't get through to them.

The military worship in this state is just as high as police worship.

snark:
Come be my neighbor, snoopydawg! Within a 30-mile "crow flies" radius, I have:

Fort Carson (US Army)
Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Base (the only US Air Force base in the nation without a military airport of its own!)
Peterson Air Force Base
Schriever Air Force Base
US Air Force Academy

There hasn't been a predominant civilian industry here since my early childhood (I'm 58 years old). And the predominant view here is "to support the troops, support the wars!".
/snark

I must say that in my experience the Army community at Fort Carson doesn't generally share that appetite for forever war. Must have something to do with having to fight up close and personal rather than from 30,000 feet away or even sitting at a drone control console here in the States (US Chair Force).

@psychodrew
connection either. There likely are some Repub voters that voted For the anti-war candidate - Trump - this time, but I doubt it was enough to swing the state. I suspect most voted for Trump becuz they were more anti-Hillary than anti-war, but I could be wrong and your mileage may vary.

#5 It's not a long paper, so I read the methodology part. The authors did find a significant relationship between the casualty rate and Trump's performance. They were able to statistically control for a number of other factors that would account for the effect and they still found the relationship. That said, I'm skeptical of how they measured their dependent variable. They used the difference between Trump's and Romney's share of the vote. If this is a backlash against the elite, why not look at the change in Democrat's vote share as well. There is also some concern about using a change score in the manner they used it. Based on the statistics provided in the paper, I'm not convinced that the vote share really made a difference. The effect was significant, but quite small.

@thanatokephaloides anti-war creds are thin, I don't think it escapes him that making domestic economics healthy must, sooner or later, lead to the circumstance of war-making's ruin of our resources.

Any time a politician goes directly against the lunatic war, they make enemies of both parties plus the media.

#6

My number one reason for why I could not vote for Hillary under any circumstances was her war mongering. I stated the very same before the primaries ever began. I had decided that I would either vote third party or not at all if Hillary was nominated.

Exactly what I did as well.

Bernie Sanders' anti-war credentials may not be the best, but one would have to work full time at it for many months to have a worse set of them than Hillary Clinton does.

Rural and financially distressed communities are the one who have been making the greatest sacrifices for the oligarchs in their wars of imperialism. The people are waking up.

And they're not in the best of moods.....

@Nastarana but then I read Chris Hitchens' "The Trials of William Jefferson Clinton" as well as some other books that were much more damning of Democrats in particular. "Bailout" by Neil Borofsky, both of Mike Lofgren's. Then Thomas Frank and "Listen Liberal" just cemented it for me - it is the outright betrayal of everything my stupid ass thought they stood for that made my final decision. She already was a turn off to me personally, just the way she speaks and the look on her face, and I don't think there's anything remotely sexist in that assessment. I'm sure there are quite a few women who would say so, but after being in the Army and then private industry working for both women and men, I believe I can honestly say I'd recognize good old fashioned sexism when I see it. The kind where there is a real victim and not some whiner wailing about not making the C suites.

Then reading all I do and have here about her history? My God, I have one friend I know voted for her and we'll never see eye to eye there. I do think I've maybe helped that friend see the light though on Hillary's blatant and cynical use of misogyny as the excuse for her loss to a cartoon character with everything stacked in HER favor. We had a good discussion about pink pussy hats and just why I found them so offensive from the first minute I saw them.

#9 made in public when she was SoS put me off. She can't have made life any easier for American diplomats in the ME.

I decided not to vote for her under any circumstances for two reasons:
1. Her war mongering, and
2. Her support for the biotech industry. Two weeks before she announced her presidential candidacy, she gave a major speech to a biotech industry convention in which she recommended that biotech companies should do a better job of propagandizing (my word, not hers) the public on behalf of their products. The same super lobbyist who managed to get DoJ to shut down its antitrust suit against Monsanto was bundling contributions for her.

Plus, her demonstrated terminal incompetence.