OMG, OMG, Trump Fired Comey!
Remember when Comey sucked and needed to go? At least according to these folks OT:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/11/1596764/-Comey-really-did-elect...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/20/1622610/-James-Comey-spent-15-ye...
Some comments...
Comey is a disgrace to the reputation of the FBI. He obviously interfered with the election. He needs to be removed from the FBI. It's sickening to see that he can break the law and get away with it, when it's so obvious.
There’s a strong argument for bringing Comey up on charges of violating the Hatch Act. Lock him up!
Mr Comey betrayed the American people with his treasonous act. I don't know if he can be tried in a court of law for this.
Comey is scum in the long FBI tradition. It’s almost enough to make one nostalgic for the blackmailing, racist transvestite.
Republican or Democrat- Comey had no business doing what he did- the FBI director cant be trusted.
What Comey did was inexcusable.
Let history judge him to the partisan hack that he turned out to be … he delivered evil to the White House because once again, a Republican put party before country. For someone like Comey who believes in God, he will truly have to think of some really good reasons why he though Trump would be a better POTUS in order to get through the pearly gates.
I HATE the fornicator, Comey.
Comey’s role was part of a criminal conspiracy which involved Comey, Giuliani, Jason Chaffetz...
Comey should resign, period.
Now that they get their wish...odd, not the reaction one would think..
Impeach Trump for silencing his critics!
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1660614
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/05/10/1660672/-so-they-made-stuff-up...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/10/1660748/-Trump-s-firing-of-Comey...
No wonder it's so laughably easy to call out their idiocy...even Trump can do it, and though I harbor no love for the guy, I gotta give him props for his recent twit. Beautifully illustrates these morons have less than zero credibility these days:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/862460991451344896
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DKos heads must be exploding from the cognitive dissonance
@CB LOL, I like that meme
LOL, I like that meme post. It matches reality. There are already many posts showing actual screen caps of Twitter posts, from countless 'famous' people, like Olbermann, that are exactly that...November: "Fire Comey! Traitor!", May: "Congratulations [Trump], you just impeached yourself." GOS regurgitates.
The stupid abounds and they don't even see themselves.
@CB
Haiku for Daily Kos
Your stupid lies build
To cognitive dissonance
Watch your heads explode
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Okay then. WTF does this even mean?
I have no idea what believing in Gawd has to do with one being able to do their job.
I'm not sure that the person who wrote that knows if Comey was a fornicater, but if he is then what does that have to do with his ability to do his job?
They do have no credibility but how is that relevant?
You're observation is just as stupid as their stupidity. Who cares what those crybabies thought. The adults in the room should be above that but Trump isn't the adult in the room and your post is something out of Sean Hannity's playbook.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Sometimes laughter is the best medicine.
If you extrapolate the point of this essay, you will see that partisans of both stripes will bend to whatever rationale is required to support their team. Values, principles, logic are not in their character. Being mocked as a hypocrite doesn't matter to them either. dailykos is a nest for centrist Democrats with this disorder.
Most of us are voluntary exiles from TOP, the land of Oz. We couldn't handle the relentless gang attacks, being scolded and sat in a corner like a child, and the insufferable arrogance and indifference to facts and reality they demanded. None the less, it took many of us a while to quit ranting about the indignities suffered at TOP. We likened it to PTSD. We resolved that all here @c99 would have the time they needed to detox and be allowed a voice free from the nastiness that is the lifeblood of dailykos. We gave each other space, respect, and the freedom to speak.
Comey deserved to be fired for not indicting Hillary. He did not deserve to be fired for investigating corruption in the Trump administration. There is no evidence Russia interfered with the election, but I am willing to bet there is plenty of evidence of dirty deals with the Trump administration waiting for be discovered. Trump's claim that the Hillary investigation is the reason is a lie, but a clever lie. It traps Democrats in their own hypocritical stew, and they hopped right into it. Dkos is no exception because they always follow the party line.
What the Democrats did to us and Bernie will NOT be forgotten. There is no moving on, and there will be NO party unity until they pay for what they did and bury Hillary and Obama in the woods.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The Democrats didn't do anything to you. HRC lost.
Now we have to deal with Trump. He may be even more corrupt than HRC. The Dems either toe the line or they'll lose again but this whole "lets make this a HRC issue while Trump may be guilty of treason "is a little much a wreaks of trolls.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Troll accusations... this will be fun.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Maybe. But if the
shoe fits... And it So does.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Let me fix your post for you
The rest is meaningless drivel.
If you don't want to hear the juvenile
ranting then don't read the post. Are you as angry as we are at the continued betrayal? HRC did "do something to us" in that she willfully and damned near openly (really nothing "damned near" about it but I'll play along) skewed an election. If there is even one tiny grain of truth to the rumor that she and Billy Bob convinced the Cheeto to run, then who should we blame that on? All those nasty little emails that show HER pushing the media to cover Trump and you don't think she bears some blame here?
But at the end of the day, the entire point of the thing is that they are ALL CORRUPT, period. While Trump is indeed a horrible fate to have bestowed on us, just who should we blame then? Racist white men? Racist white women? Those of us who refused to vote for one more lying "democratic" war mongering shill? The entire system is at fault, not the voters, not the Russians, not the FBI, the entire system is and until we wake the hell up and admit that, we'll get nowhere.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I beg to differ
Our eyes do not deceive us:
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Beware the bullshit factories.
You've got it backwards
the dems change course or they will lose again. Toeing the line is the surefire road to defeat. Did you learn nothing from the last election?
@the_poorly_educated "He may be even more
"He may be even more corrupt than Hillary?"
That's the best you got?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Precisely your first paragraph
Though I must admit, I really didn't have a solid point for this outburst, more likely just one of my more juvenile schadenfreude moments, your statement better captures what has really been bothering me for some time; we are in a pickle of a dilemma gaining purchase enough to extricate our people/nation from this inexplicable mess of governance.
This recent observation wholly illustrates the fact that we've got a laser pointer racing around the carpet, and pundits, journos, and a disturbingly large portion of the population chasing it back and forth, like cats; either in willful denial, purposeful denial, or plain dumbness, to see the truth of their flip-flops and ever-inverting illogic.
I suppose my use of GOS only served as a prominent example of what I'm guessing to be a larger symptom shared by too many of our compatriots; I'm not sure how to break through that dissonance and frankly, there probably is little to no chance, by definition. Oddly, at one time I actually thought that place aligned with my ideals, but nowadays, I find I fit in better with a sizeable portion of the commentary at zerohedge; how strange is that?
But actually, that latter observation is not really strange; we are all in this same predicament, and many others are noticing the same things we outside the party charade observe; there is a sizable set of people on ZH that only wanted Trump due to his purported stance on collaboration with Russia, rather than adversarial, disrupt NATO, halting military intervention in ME, etc. Granted, many of them sit on the opposite side of the traditional left vs. right social debates, but there is valid debate that can be had for both sides of those economic philosophies. Though I note that a fair number of them appeared to support Johnson or Stein, the majority chose Trump, because what other choice did they have?
Now that Trump engaged the obligatory flip-flop of campaign rhetoric vs. application, while many weren't surprised because, well, expected in U.S. politics..."whaddya gonna do?" Point being, we all see that WE really have no choice and are subjugated to lies, whims, fraud, with no power. We see it, some of them see it, and there appears to be no way out...except maybe we all need to somehow overcome our philosophical differences, to collaborate against a common enemy that by all appearances, deliberately pits all against each other, while stealing, extracting and crushing livelihoods and life.
Of course I once raised that point at GOS, and oh my goodness, I was just a stupid, gun loving (not sure where that last bit came from, as nothing about guns was even mentioned and I don't even own one??)...oh, and probably a Russian, troll.
Ah, logic prevails [sarc]
Bejeezus What's with the
internecine partisan battle of the spooks? Any fool can see are all rotten to the core and should not even be messing about in the political cesspool of the American duopoly. As for dkos, WTF is with this crap? Why come here with this bs. who cares? Maybe I'm in the wrong blog as I thought this was a non-partisan blog that was primarily dealing with issues not political kabuki or the personas of pols, pundirts, or the apparatchik and hangers on of the Demoratic party. Trump/Hillary both operate on the same principles and agenda. Variations on a insane theme.
This rivals anything the Republicans throw out there as far as mind bending propaganda goes. The Russians again! Which e-mails again? Trump's? the DNC's or some FBI asshole? Oh my god. Meanwhile Rome burns and the villains of the piece continue with their absurd story line. Me I hope Rome burns to the ground and something better arises from the centralized empirical corporate ashes. Mother nature certainly would be glad.
I for one refuse to get worked up about any of this mad by-partisan circus. Ask me it's all a manipulative distraction to further promote fear and hatred in the populace in order to continue with the glo9bal and domestic raping and pillaging by the USA! USA! USA!. I don't give a rat's ass about the tweets of the ruling class. Why would anyone? Ask me they are complicit and focusing on this whole freaking carefully constructed global sideshow nightmare just empowers the powers that be.
Meanwhile ask yourselves this would the Clinton's have been better then? Nah. Not really as they are all globally in cahoots. As long as this is what the 99% choose to deal with, deal me out. Surely people can let this go and 'move on' as the veal pen Demoratic org. says. Get real people regardless of who you choose to vilify if you cannot see beyond the illusion/delusion that the ptb pumps at you daily your stuck. This is not what democracy or reality looks like.
@shaharazade I'm not upset that
I'm not upset that people want to continue to keep an eye on the shenanigans; I do wish there were more interest in building something new.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@dkmich Trump's claim that the
Trump's claim that the Hillary investigation is the reason is a lie, but a clever lie. It traps Democrats in their own hypocritical stew, and they hopped right into it.
Honestly, it's not even that clever; Hillary et al pitched him a fat one right down the center of the plate. Did anybody expect him not to swing at it?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Reminds me of my number one rule...
with regards to any conflict.
NEVER assume the enemy is as stupid as they think you are.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
"stupid" was unnecessary & rude.
please don't bring that stuff here.
thx.
it was necessary being the author used it repeatedly.
Where's the scolding of the author of this essay? Oh, that's right, this place is slowly turning into TOP.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
HR'd For ... wait... shit... where's the button...?
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
That was funny.
I think we need a graphic we can post. I also wish Facebook had an emoji for "the finger".
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I'd like one for "the razzberry"
Well I guess that's pretty close....
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
When you don't want to waste a perfectly good raspberry
"Pfffft!" will do in a pinch.
A valid Question to be sure ...
Perhaps you should read the article a bit more carefully, because ...
wait for it ...
wait for it ...
That is the point the author is making.
As the calendar flipped from 2016 to 2017 anyone suggesting Comey had any redeeming qualities that might suggest he shouldn't be strung up wouldn't be taken seriously.
Fast forward (zip) to the present and suddenly "They Make Up Stuff" in order to fire Comey is the order of the day.
Here is the point: Never expect a scientist to have your six because they will switch sides as new understanding develops. With respect to the situation at hand, on the other hand: No new understand has developed. The political dynamics and stresses and strains have not evolved, there is nothing new at hand to warrant flip-flopping. Political opinion is more of a flag waving in the wind than it is an indicator of resolve and commitment to ideals.
If the the denizens of TOP (representing politics in general) possessed resolve and commitment to ideals the political landscape in the USofA would be quite different. The Clintons would never have gotten into power, Obama would not have been in the White House ...
The world would be a better place ... and unicorns ... let's not forget the unicorns ...
For the clueless that last bit pays homage to the "Ideological Purist" meme at TOP.
What does this mean?
...to have your "six" ?
I can't decide.
A military phrase.
Your "six" is six o-clock, or directly astern of you. A person who "has your six" is protecting you where you're most vulnerable, e.g., from incoming fire from behind.
Thank you. Glad I asked.
Watch your back.
A "failure" to protect you as you continue along a "path" that is leading to nowhere.
In real life it's about police backup, in gaming it's about virtual support on a mission.
The way you used the expression
...in connection to scientists, really strikes a perfect note, with just a touch of cynicism. The scientific space is anti-denial (for the most part), which is a relief at times. Keeps the sanity in check.
@PriceRip Where's the damned
Where's the damned cleric? I need a heal!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@PriceRip Oddly enough,
Oddly enough, intellectual integrity is the very reason scientists, in my view, DO "have my six."
Having intellectual integrity IS "having my six."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I have encountered some exceptions.
Most, but not all, I have known, in academia have it. From my experience far more in industrial settings do not. That is a sad statistic and I keep hoping it is the result of observer bias. This is one of those times I really want it to be observer bias, kind of like the plethora of "bad cop" videos that are nearly impossible to ignore.
Yes and no
I certainly agree that judging Trump's actions regarding the firing of Comey should be done on the basis of what he actually did rather than what whiny Democrats sad months ago.
However, the judgement of Democrats as being whiny little flip-floppers who have no particular political principle other than "win at all costs" is unrelated to that first judgement and one I hold pretty solidly. What do you guys even stand for other than winning? I got the whole bombs, poverty, and globalism thing. I get it that within the bounds of conservative economics, you'd like to do what you can to help out a few people here and there... women (who are in the right geographic location and economic circumstances), children (when it's convenient), and blacks (in name only). But beyond that, what exactly does the Democratic party want to do for the people?
Therein is your rub. You can rail against Trump all you want and it won't impact me at all because I already think he's a corrupt, lying, asshole out to rape the American economy. You can't convince me of something I already believe. Your problem is that you've got nothing better to offer.
Last time you offered me CLINTON for crying out loud. After the global financial crisis. After Obama bailed out the banks and watched main street sink. After 2 dubious wars and another 8 years of continuous war. After watching a class based economic recovery. After all of that, you offered me the very face of Neoliberalism and said, "You should be happy for more of the same."
That's the problem you need to work on. Either you need better candidates or you need to somehow sell me on the idea that money in politics only influences Republicans and not Democrats.
PS: Before you go off on your canned rant about the word "neoliberalism", remember that this isn't DKOS. The people here DO know that that is a real world and we (probably mostly) know what it means. So I'd urge you to discuss the details not the semantics. The typical word games which work so swimmingly in the thought bubble of DKOS won't work here.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
^^^^^
Well, I did vote for Hillary
because Trump is a goddamn fascist. It might not make me popular on this site but over at the Kos they are still throwing pies every time Bernie jumps out from a bush and says, "Boo!"
And everything that happens is Bernie's fault. And it's misogynist, too. Somehow.
They have nothing better to do, I guess . . .
@SnappleBC You can't convince me
You can't convince me of something I already believe. Your problem is that you've got nothing better to offer.
Correct, though I think Trump's perfidy is of a different quality than they seem to think.
Trying to make Donald Trump into Hitler just shows the poverty and absurdity of modern American politics.
I'm also sick to death of them abusing the narrative of World War II to justify every crap thing they ever wanted to do.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ah, you are one of 'those'
Those that blurt out "Sean Hannity's playbook," "right wing talking point," as some sort of valid argument. Here's a hint: In a real debate, using real logic, real argumentative support, those statements don't fly; they carry no weight and only serve to get you dismissed.
You may has well have added that I'm clearly a Russian troll, racist, misogynist. All those other, completely irrelevant, not tied to anything, even tangentially, points actually mentioned in the post, just specious blurts of nonsense.
Feel free to carry on these short, irrelevant, one-liner tirades, but know that any thinking person will read and immediately dismiss them...and you, for what they truly constitute: absolutely nothing worth noting.
Gotcha.
It's very clear why you chose your screen name. It's highly accurate.
Comey is not the bad guy here, Lynch is
Loretta Lynch should be indicted. Apparently there is email evidence that she promised to do whatever she could to keep Killary out of prison. Comey was working under a corrupt boss. This made his job impossible and he clearly struggled with the decision of what to do. I think that his erratic behavior was just a symptom of a rotten justice system under Loretta Lynch. Meeting Bill Klinton on her airplane on the tarmac in a secret session while his wife was under investigation? The assumption they both made was that this could be kept secret. It must have been a shock to both of them, but especially Lynch, when there were no direct consequences. Lynch should have resigned immediately. Oh wait, she couldn't protect Killary if she did that.
Once again, for the movers and shakers of that exclusive club there are no consequences. We are a lawless country, run by white collar thugs, when it comes to the elites.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Can't get off the HRC narrative can we?
Trump and associates may have committed treason and fired the man investigating him and we're still talking about last year ans Hillary. Perplexing... .........
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Becuz the Trump-Comey
thing is smoke and mirrors, while Her is about total chaos.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
That's you're uninformed opinion.
I'll listen to Sally Yates first.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Well, your side of
the argument has spent 9 mos. on this -ahem- "investigation" (Benghazi) and come up with d!ck. All kinds of hints of "collusion" but nowhere have I seen between whom. Just dangling that word collusion, not even so much as a declaration of what's being "investigated." Just that there is one. About something.
This all started, this "story" "broke," two days after HRC got the spanking she so rightfully deserved by someone who had no right delivering it. Classic Clintonian dog wagging and damn little else.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Hillary: Total Chaos
And because Her Heinous is still breathing, and has not yet renounced public life -- which means we and our country are still in danger from her.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Seems like you have
drank the $hillary establishment koolaid. That stuff's not good for you. Peddle that New McCarthyism somewhere else.
Then tell me why Flynn asked for immunity if this is McCarthyis
Why is an "innocent" man asking for immunity. Wake up.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Then let's talk about real guilt, shall we?
Lets investigate ALL OF IT then, Saudi Arabia, Israeli aid dollars, Libya and the real reason that went down, Afghanistan and a pipeline, Syria and a pipeline, on and on and on the list goes. And those things cause actual WARS, while whatever Russian "business dealings" have not yet caused an actual shooting war. When you and the Democrats decide to really drain that swamp then we'll give all this Russia shit some quarter. Until then, why are you here arguing? Go on back to the hell hole and report in on our HRC "obsession" and you'll fit right in!
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@the_poorly_educated Nobody that high up
Nobody that high up in the business of United States security is innocent.
Furthermore, it's a corrupt system; they don't necessarily need the truth to go after someone.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The HRC narrative continues
because that woman won't go away. She's still out in public peddling her false narrative that it was Russian interference and other bullshit that caused her loss. She lost because she was damaged goods from the get-go. She was the wrong candidate for the times. Truth be told, she was the wrong candidate for ANY time. Despite large support from those who held their noses and voted for her because her opponent stunk just as bad, she lost.
Frankly, when most people are offered a choice between two plates of offal, they reject both and leave the table. As long as Hillary remains, she will be divisive. She needs to get the fuck out of the house and let the cleansing and healing begin. Then maybe, just maybe, something can be salvaged from her train wreak. I doubt it at this rate.
And the narrative won't go away anyway
Bernie and Hillary have become the mascots for Liberalism vs. Neoliberalism. We use those names but what we are really doing is fighting a political ideology battle. If Hillary faded into the woodwork today neoliberalism would still continue and we'd probably keep calling it "The Clinton wing of the Democratic party".
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
True. But it would be interesting who picks up the banner
once the Clintonian scourge is dead and gone.
Remember the much ballyhooed "great years" when Bill Clinton "revitalized the economy" by instituting his neoliberal financial policies in 1992?
Hillary: "I’ve told my husband he’s got to come out of retirement and be in charge of this (revitalizing the economy), because you know, he’s got more ideas a minute than anybody I know." “Because, you know, he knows how to do it.”
He sure did know how to "do it" to the average worker. Thank you, sir! May I have another?
You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, and that's all you need to get elected.
If truth be told
it was the exploding computer industry that revitalized the economy, not Philandering Willie.
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
@SnappleBC Well, I think she's
Well, I think she's only likely to fade when dead. She'll be behind the scenes, like her mentor has been for the past interminable decades.
That said, of course you're right; the American public uses politicians as shorthand for ideology.
It's a bad habit. If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of it, I would.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@the_poorly_educated Make her go the fuck
Make her go the fuck away and stop fiddling around with American politics and maybe people will drop it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've wondered
if the tarmac incident actually played out as intended. It seems odd to try to have a clandestine conversation in so public a manner. Perhaps the intent was to create a basis for lynch to recuse herself so she would not be tarred with exonerating clinton, which would have likely pre-empted any role in a clinton admin. I wonder if her reward for exonerating clinton (the investigation was outrageous- granting immunity to everyone and agreeing to destroy evidence) was to stay in the position. But the hue and cry would have been too great if she cleared clinton. So they ginned up a scene to force lynch out and to leave comey holding the bag. The problem is- with the clintons, you can't rule out any underhanded possibility.
Isn't rigging a primary and stealing it from Sanders a
far bigger constitutional crisis?
I've found it to be kryptonite, in response to "ZOMG CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS COMEY!!" just point them to the DNC lawsuit and they stop talking to you about Trump. It's great!
Irrelevant which one is bigger crisis.
They should be treated as two separate entities and not compared against each other. Considering Trump is Pres now, that one takes precedent. Not saying we couldn't have parallel investigations going but HRC and DNC have already been somewhat de-legitamized without investigation. Trump is still "legitimate" being he's living in the Whitehouse.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
One is a crisis the other is Trump trolling Dems.
You might want to try seeing through the Kabuki instead of falling for it.
It is blindingly obvious Trump is playing the Dems - why else was Kissinger wheeled in the day after?
And there is no way in hell I am giving up my leverage to destroy the corrupt DNC/Dems, they can focus on Trump, we are focused on them. If you continue to stand in the middle of the road you are going to get flattened. Pick a side.
That's the way Putin sees it too.
EOM
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
You are lost, this isn't the daily breitbart
you should take your risible, neo-McCarthyite conspiracy theories back over there
"risible" (+)
Pushing that nonsense "Putin did it" meme here
won't get you far. Why don't you take your hobby horse back to DKos where you can ride it in style? White boys not allowed.
@the_poorly_educated I'm fascinated with
I'm fascinated with how you know that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I'd like to take a different tack than others
OOPS: Supposed to respond to the the_poorly_educated
I don't think your concerns about Putin are "nonsense". I think there's at least some smoke. There may be fire which in and of itself is enough to want an investigation. You can "peddle" your Putin concerns here as far as I'm concerned. The very last thing I want is for C99 to become like DKOS and it comes perilously close to it at times (like this one). So yeah, tell us what your fears are.
BUT.... for the 30th time give or take... do you have any supporting evidence other than hearsay and innuendo? If you don't, that's fine. The situation may gel. In the mean time, you'd do yourself a favor here by dialing back your rhetoric to align with the factual basis you've been able to present.
I also assume you are open to detailed investigations regarding Clinton Foundation, DNC money raising, and whether or not the primary was rigged. For that matter, I assume you are whole throatedly on board with credible voting systems. If you are, then you're my ally. If not, then you're just another partisan hack trying to exploit an issue.
My own guess is that in the real world none of these investigations will ever happen. Unlike you, I believe in science so I believe our system is systemically corrupt. If I am correct, then the plutocrats cannot afford actual investigations into these matters so none will ever come. That also splashes a bucket of cold water on your cherished Trump impeachment.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC
This is fair, but I'll add my thoughts.
These decades of "Russia!" and though not as noticed, but under Obama there was, "China!" The China South Sea navy escapades, 'threat', etc., requiring our 'pivot' a.k.a. more billions for the MIC, another trillion for our nukes approved under Obama...the multitude of press reports about China hacking! And of course, the Russian hacking!
The blather and drivel gets old, when you consider this 'Chinese threat' was simultaneously met with U.S. corporations outsourcing millions of U.S. jobs, manufacturing to China, billions of imports. But they are an enemy?
Same with Russia. Oh, but our MIC needs Russian rocket engines for stuff (that YOU need to us pay for), so those official sanctions don't apply in that case...but everything else. Oh, and we need that uranium deal, for our weapons, so we can deal with Russians then. Oh, and of course our DoD contractors, being 'investigated' kabuki style, committing thousands of illegal sales of tech and equipment to China, Russia...and dozens of 'unknown' parties, billions in enrichment sales. I say 'kabuki style' because nobody in the DoD/MIC actually goes to prison for 'treason' during these ITAR investigations...just some fines, which are undoubtedly rolled right back into the price tag you and I pay for.
http://friedfrank.com/siteFiles/Publications/ITAR%20Enforcement%20Digest...
The point being is that for all the loud bluster of China/Russia enemies! Treason! for any 'complicity' with those nasty nations, behind the scenes is a playground of money/power being passed around with no regard to these supposed 'threats' they regale to us in the news. Why? Because it looks to be all bullshit, fed to us to justify needing to pay for the shit, because these willing exchanges with the top tier among those 'enemy' countries serves to prove they are not really considered enemies as such.
So, after this amount of time under what clearly looks to be a complete charade, it's difficult not become so cynical as to think any and ALL distracting claims of 'enemy,' 'treason,' "evil dictator,' are complete bullshit and subsequently tune them all out, getting annoyed at their very mention. After awhile, contrary to good sense to perhaps at least do some cursory look for evidence, one just immediately presumes any of these utterances by politicians, President, 'news reports,' is complete, utter, bullshit.
But, the good news is that without checking into them these days, and just making that presumption of bullshit, I'm willing to bet 99.999999% of the time, you'll be correct anyway, so cynicism away
I don't disagree
I wasn't around in the early days of DKOS but I'd be willing to bet there were similar good intentions. Then, I assume, it became bannable to discuss anything labeled a "conspiracy theory" because they were all tired of them. Then, anything convenient became a conspiracy theory to the point where I couldn't discuss irregularities in drug testing and regulatory control as regards vaccines without getting the CT flag. So the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine shares my concerns? Yeah, another loon.
I feel like we can perhaps help insulate this place by sticking firmly with a request for facts and/or simply ignoring those who are tediously repetitive with their memes. That's why I stick with the line, "The allegations have run ahead of the facts" regarding the Russia thing. Of course, the big question in my mind isn't whether there are any shady connections. Of course there are as your post clearly demonstrated. They are everywhere. My question is how will they get at Trump without [further] exposing the whole sewage dump?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC
Concerning CT, I believe I've come up with a decent litmus test. If one is immediately shouted/shut down by the mainstream as ridiculous CT, then that CT is legit, and vice versa, any CT embraced by that same mainstream, is bunk; I believe historical precedent shows that method to hold true, LOL
I agree with your sentiment/approach to simply preface, "the allegations precede known facts, let's research and validate..." and certainly don't condone an immediate shout down/ban; my personal approach to ignore tired, tedious, specious claims was simply that, my personal approach, as lazy as it might be. Yours is certainly a more measured and critical approach that I can't help but applaud your patience
Now, for how do 'they' discredit Trump with the Russia-connection? I think if that is indeed what the PTB want, they simply do what they have always done when they want a one-time scapegoat...for whatever reasons that often remain a mystery. They simply cherry-pick their 'evidence' and omit all other similar evidence that is relevant to all the other machinations/schemes they have running that meet the exact same criteria of 'guilt.' For instance, looking at all the ITAR investigations showing that Raytheon, BAE, L3, etc. all conspire and engage in this 'treason,' the evidence and publication is in plain sight, yet how many ex-generals, MIC/security 'experts' sit on those same boards, get interviewed on TV news, pontificating about all these national 'threats' that need addressed (a.k.a. money, money, money, killing, killing, killing), yet always seem to fail mention of their big fat paycheck from these same DoD contractors engaged in aiding/abetting these very threats. And not a single 'news' reporter ever publicly challenges, either.
Kinda like that episode I recently watched of ol' Hillary telling us how the military experts all tell us that we needed to bomb Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia during the no-fly mandate because the pilots need protection, so we need to bomb defenses during that time...and nobody ever followed up with the obvious question, "Why would those pilots need protection if there was a no-fly mandate...nobody should be flying there, thus they don't need 'protection' from those defenses, right?" Never a peep about the obvious contradictions.
@SnappleBC I'm incapable
I'm incapable of taking allegations of shady connections seriously when shady connections are the ordinary way DC does business, regardless of partisan or individual foibles.
Get back to me when the Bushes and Clintons are held accountable for their "shady connections" with Saudi Arabia, just to pick one of many.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@SnappleBC
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Dear thepoorlyeducated:
I'm putting this here, but it responds to many of your comments.
You are at caucus99percent. Not at the GOS.
Here we do not disparage other posters for not sharing the priorities I or you or anyone else have. That is the GOS culture -- to insist that everyone join the same gang or get out. While you are here, please check that authoritarian streak at the door. You can -- respectfully, civilly -- make your case for why Trump or Putin must be our focus. Just understand that not everyone here will agree, and that that does not mean they are wrong.
the_poorly_educated
has left the building as of about an hour ago. I warned him yesterday about the insults and he came back today with guns blazing. I can only surmise that he didn't take the warning well.
Fair enough.
Dickishness will get one a one-way ticket out of here, understandably. I'll leave my comment above so other visitors can note the culture here.
I see that we c99'ers
made cogent, relevant, intelligent, informed responses to a disorganized, rude, reactionary commentator. The exercise wasn't a complete waste :).
Our culture still works!
And this is still a class place!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@thanatokephaloides What we do here
What we do here is admirable, under the current horrendous circumstances. Once upon a time, it was just the regular way people discussed politics.
And yes, I remember that time. It wasn't a fairy dust and unicorns utopia, but it was better than this.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Sad
I, , was just getting into the rhythm of it all.
Trump is blatantly attacking democracy and democratic ideals
He is praising brutal authoritarian leaders, he is creating phony investigations into "voter fraud" instead of election fraud. He is going against everything that we've been taught was supposed to be good about this Country. The Clintons and the DNC seem to do that too and now they're trying to hijack what all of us want, it will backfire on everybody. They have to put Country before ego, or be part of the same enemy.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GflKh9jlCg]
Beware the bullshit factories.
That is a damning point in my mind
Even if Russia did everything they are accused of, these same Democrats were entirely uninterested in much solider allegations of tampering with the primary and have never shown any interest in electronic voting machine manipulation. I'm waiting for the day that Democrats push for a review of an election they won but under suspicious circumstances.
This is how I know that they have no interest in democracy or sovereignty. They just see an opportunity to exploit.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
In the past, Directors of the FBI
have served for varying lengths of time. They can be, and have sometimes been, legally removed from office by order of the President and the Attorney General. From Wikipedia:
So what's the big deal here? Trump and Sessions don't like Comey (for whatever reasons) so they fire him. It sounds perfectly legit to me, and not even unusual... am I missing something?
native
Also, didn't Pres Clinton fire the FBI director?
So how is it a Constitutional Crisis?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I think the issue boils down
to the fact that Comey had been using the FBI to conduct a political witch hunt, trying to find evidence of collusion between Trump and Putin. There was very little, if any evidence to be found, and the "investigation" should have been been concluded long ago. Nonetheless, it dragged on and on -- inspiring all manner of innuendo and rumor, which was in turn amplified by msm, out of all reasonable proportion.
Tying Trump to Russia, in hopes of discrediting them both, was the object of the FBI's continuing "probes". Any moves toward rapproachement with Russia (desired by Trump, and in fact one of his campaign promises) are anathema to the US Deep State. Efforts to block a US/Russia a detente have been ongoing and fierce, aided and abetted by the msm. Comey got caught up in the middle of them.
native
My comment was based on the claim that this was "unprecdented".
Hilbots are screaming "impeach" and Constitutional Crisis, while they said nothing when Clinton did the same thing.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
A good article about this:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-anti-russia-inquisition-intensif...
native
Indeed he (Bill Clinton) did — on July 19, 1993.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-07-20/news/9307200053_1_fbi-dire...
Well you had J. Edgar Hoover who served forever
And then when he finally died, the Congress actually became concerned about justice and democracy and imposed the 10 year limit.
Beware the bullshit factories.
trust
They don't speak as one voice
there are hundreds of contributors there and they differ in their opinions, that's what blogs are for after all.
Comey interfering in politics is one thing (a bad thing) but the head of the FBI being fired by an unstable crazy President is another thing completely.
To thine own self be true.
I'd like to deconstruct that a bit
OK, I struggled to find what you were replying to but my eyes and scrolling abilities weren't up to the task. Still, I have to assume that you are referring to DKOS. You are correct. There isn't one voice. There is a strong majority voice and a weak minority voice... mostly because those who disagreed were banned or voluntarily exiled themselves.
You are correct in saying DKOS allows some people to express their opinion. But just like any community, it has a culture and that culture is solidly neoliberal party kool-aid stuff. EVERYTHING is filtered through the red/blue glasses and the only goal is winning elections. Nobody gives a rats ass what happens after that.
First, let me just assert that having an "unstable, crazy President" is definitely a bad thing in all contexts. And yes, I agree that the characterization fits Trump although I'd have said used words like narcissistic, juvenile, and possibly with some megalomania tossed in rather than "crazy". I can't tell you how much I wish we were dealing with someone other than Trump in office. But the Democratic party chose to anoint Hillary. The voters disagreed. So here we are.
The part that is less clear is why it's a problem that Trump, acting within the powers of his office, fired the FBI director. Someone earlier mentioned that Bill did it too. Can you elaborate?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
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