Saturday Open Thread 03-07-15

Good morning 99percenters!

Did you know that March is Women’s History Month? The commemoration began in 1981 when Congress passed a resolution asking the President to proclaim “Women’s History Week" beginning March 7, 1982. Fast forward and since 1995 Presidents have issued a series of annual proclamations designating the month of March as “Women’s History Month.”

99px-Elizabeth_Stanton.jpgI can think of no better person to quote when it comes to the challenges women have faced and often still face in our country than Elizabeth Cady Stanton, a suffragist, women’s rights activist and writer who was instrumental in the first women’s rights convention in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848.

This is an excerpt from Solitude of Self, an address she delivered before the Committee of the Judiciary of the United States Congress, Monday, January 18, 1892:

The strongest reason for giving woman all the opportunities for higher education, for the full development of her faculties, forces of mind and body; for giving her the most enlarged freedom of thought and action; a complete emancipation from all forms of bondage, of custom, dependence, superstition; from all the crippling influences of fear, is the solitude and personal responsibility of her own individual life. The strongest reason why we ask for woman a voice in the government under which she lives; in the religion she is asked to believe; equality in social life, where she is the chief factor; a place in the trades and professions, where she may earn her bread, is because of her birthright to self-sovereignty; because, as an individual, she must rely on herself. No matter how much women prefer to lean, to be protected and supported, nor how much men desire to have them do so, they must make the voyage of life alone, and for safety in an emergency they must know something of the laws of navigation. To guide our own craft, we must be captain, pilot, engineer; with chart and compass to stand at the wheel; to match the wind and waves and know when to take in the sail, and to read the signs in the firmament over all. It matters not whether the solitary voyager is man or woman.

I offer a few suggestions that would pay tribute to women - and please take a child, or grandchild along so they can absorb our history. Of course, do them as your time and schedule permit.

Fair warning - any reference to Beloved will send every right-wing “patriot” within 25 miles around the proverbial bend. Please do it sooner, rather than later. Thank you in advance.

This is an open thread. Tell us what you’re doing today, or anything else that strikes your fancy. The floor is yours.

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gulfgal98's picture

I am old enough to remember when I could not get a credit card in my own name. When I married my first husband, he was still in school and I was working. We owned two cars and mine was financed through my local credit union. I was making the loan payments and paying our joint credit card accounts. When we divorced, the credit union did not want to transfer the car title to my name only even though it was specified in the divorce settlement because "I might not be able to make the payments if I got pregnant." Further I could not get a credit card in my own name because I was a woman.

I lost eight years on the pension plan because the city specifically did not tell women and minorities that it existed. So I was automatically put on Social Security. After the city was found to be discriminating against women and minorities, I petitioned to be put on the pension plan. All of us who were discriminated against were given one month to buy back the years we missed in a lump sum. I did not have the money to do so, so I lost those years.

It is shocking to think that it was less than 100 years ago that women even won the right to vote.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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in the early 80's because my wife had to go to work even though we had a new baby and I had
a good (starter) government job. It was expected of men to support their wives even up to that time.
Or at least that thought process was still ingrained in our heads.

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Cordelia Lear's picture

My credit union would not give me a loan for my first car unless my father co-signed the note. At the time I was making a higher annual salary than he was.

When I landed my first "professional" job I was the only non-clerical and non-secretarial female on the floor of a building that took up an entire block in the Wall Street district. Many of the men were angry that I was hired because "I was taking a man's job." And then, they would say they "knew" I would only work unitl I got married and if I didn't quit then I would quit as soon as I got pregnant.

My first day on the job my immediate boss said to me "Oh, I see you have your business woman's suit on today." I replied, "Yes, and I see that you have your business man's suit on today." And he also told me how he did not want me on his staff but was not given a choice. What a great way to start your career!

I was sure they had a pool guessing the date I would leave. I wonder what they ever did with the proceeds.

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"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak." --Paul Wellstone

Tammany Tiger's picture

In many companies, management paid men more than women on the assumption--which was not always true, even in the "Father Knows Best" era--that men were the primary breadwinner in the family and women were in the workforce only on an interim basis until they could find a man to take care of them.

The family wage is now officially illegal, but pay disparities exist to this day. And the thinking behind the family wage is still very much with us.

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Big Al's picture

want to discuss and why? Like Daily Kos, it has a goal of aiding and abetting the Ruling Class.
Other blogs exist to spread the news and provide information and opinions. Some exist to fight
against war (antiwar) or help the environment.

What about this place, is it more than just conversations about anything? What do people want to
do here?

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is the culmination of ship set adrift several months ago. Originally it began as a Google Group and was set up as and labeled as a "lifeboat" for folks feeling disenfranchised and disaffected from other websites, one notably in particular. Over the months the site has island hopped across the web spanning a Google Group, another website, two phpBB forums and finally here. This site was built with that very same "lifeboat" intention, as a getaway, a Hernando's Hideaway if you will, for folks with alternative views to gather and express those views without fear of being ostracized or outright banned for espousing a different point of view other than the conventional Democratic talking points.

To me personally, the important initial factor was to supply the platform, with the goals and direction the site is to take set by those that gather here. Where it goes from here should be up to the membership, IMHO. I dislike the idea of one person deciding the goals of a site, as witnessed by "more and better Democrats" that excludes any other avenues of discussion. There is a very important election coming up in a little over a year, that could be one point of focus. This site is the bow, you (the membership) are the arrow.

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Big Al's picture

this week. He's a former republican, voted for Bush twice but now regrets it. He's a libertarian type, former NRA
member but not because he doesn't support the 2nd, he's got many guns.
Anyway, for years whenever I start in on democracy, he reminds me that this country wasn't founded as a
democracy but as a Republic, and he believes the Constitution is about all we need it's just that
those in charge aren't following it anymore. You've heard the story.

We were talking about the UN Drug Czar attacking the U.S. for some states legalizing marijuana and how
that occurred by the people voting directly on the issue, etc. He, like alot of Libertarians and Republicans, have
a hard time with the majority rule thing based on the founders warning about "mob" rule.

So yesterday I sent him this reply:

"Ya, the framers set up an oligarchy is what they did. A system where the rich rule over the rest of us and
make all the decisions for us. Like no gay marriage, no legal weed, neverending war.
There are some things that majority rule may overly impact a minority, which is what the bill of rights is for,
and Constitutional Amendments. .
There is no perfect way to organize humans and conduct society. One thing I do know is I'm tired of this
system of "representatives" that only represent the rich. This system is a minority running roughshod over
the majority. So the framers can suck it far as I'm concerned. They set up a system that has failed. Time for
a new one.
(that's sarcasm combined with truth) :)"

Anyway, long story short, I agree a focus should be on the upcoming election.
But even bigger than that I'd like to see a focus on how to continue the discussion kickstarted by the Occupy
movement on our system of government and the options we have to change it, modify it, improve it, etc.

Because we don't live in a democracy at the national level. Not even close. And that goes along with me and
my brother's conversations - what do we want?

I think that goes along well with the title of this blog.

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I haven't responded back yet.

"I understand and you know that I agree with you on most things.

I do however believe in the US Constitution, conditionally. I’ve read it brother, multiple times. I don’t pretend to fully understand it. I’m not a lawyer or historian. I’m not educated. I do have common sense, empathy and my version of right and wrong. The Constitution was written at a time when statements were made differently than today, words were not used as they are today and in fact words had different meanings.

You cannot argue that when viewed from certain perspectives, that the founders were hypocrites. You have the right to free speech, religion and can petition for redress. Oh wait, unless you’re one of my slaves. You have the right to vote. Well, unless you’re a woman, slave or non-landowner. Clearly when viewed from the perspective of where we are today, they were hypocrites.

Then again, so am I. You know I am a firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but only to a point. Ah wait, I say you can bear arms but you can’t go to Home Depot and buy an RPG. I’d bet there aren’t too many categories of the Constitution that define rights and a free people where most people won’t ultimately find their line of hypocrisy.

When I look at the Constitution and the concepts it portrays, I personally believe it is a solid document. You are right, the system has failed, or perhaps better stated been taken over. And I agree it’s time for a new one no doubt. But I think the US Constitution and the principals it contains is a pretty good starting point."

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Big Al's picture

Will do cw. Smile

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you and your brother being that far apart. Why don't you ask him to take a look at us and register if he likes.

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joe shikspack's picture

historian woody holton's Unruly Americans and the Origins of the Constitution and a book about what happened when some regular folks who were getting screwed by the government decided that they'd like to make some changes that the elites were dead set against, william hogeland's The Whiskey Rebellion: George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, and the Frontier Rebels Who Challenged America's Newfound Sovereignty.

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Big Al's picture

I'll check them out too.
Gracias joe.

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mimi's picture

say on DK. I think of this place as a rescue boat of a sinking cruise-liner. I want to be able to say something critical about US foreign policies without getting the "you are anti-American" shoved down my throat or say something critical about Obama without having to bite my tongue and suffer in my guilty conscience for being racially insensitive. I know that I am hypersensitive with regards to being accused of being racially insensitive. I want to be able to ask stupid questions, which I have a lot, because I am not raised and educated in this country and missed out a lot of political "news" etc in the eighties and nineties. I have tons of books that I want to read. I also have a conflict of interest with my online reading habits on DK. Totally inefficient. So, anything political for discussions is what I am interested in (basically to listen and read, can't much put in, just try to get something out of it, sorry for that).

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mimi's picture

... very hard to do.

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Big Al's picture

Haven't heard that term as much nowadays. Maybe being open minded and being able to "speak your piece" has
been replaced by robot automatons who only say what they're supposed to say within their "tribes" parameters. Like
on Daily Kos, you can't talk about 9/11 because the owner of the site decided their tribe simply won't talk about it.
Or you can't talk about Obama being a war criminal because that would ruin their little party. Smile

Keep on talking mimi. It makes the world go round.

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talking doesn't make the world go round. It has become irrelevant. I am sure you read bobswern's diary. The conclusion I draw from the surveillance and collection status of all those NSA Global Spy Station is that if you talk or you don't talk doesn't make any difference in the end. So, either you ignore the whole issue of surveillance and pretend it's not there and not doing harm to anybody, or you don't ignore it and then the conclusion would be that you can't communicate anymore without potential repercussions. This is so disgusting that any normal person would try to not say anything anymore. That would include to never log on into any site, never visit a site, never rec anything, never comment, simply being non existent online. I think that also already utopia and not possible anymore.

So, why not getting nuts over all of it?

And for saying Obama is a war criminal, I can only say, who is not one then ? We are all bystanders, appeasers, working (willingly or not) inside a system that doesn't free us anymore to be "not part of the problem".So, to me the accusations also don't make any sense. They are as irrelevant as the those, who defend war criminals.

I see myself as an algae swimming in a sea of plankton not knowing why and for what I am born.

So, I can as well disconnect. If that is even possible. Thanks for your words.

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sentence. Sigh. Thanks anyway, I am sure it makes sense. The great Mongo .. who was that? Ok, tried to google it, but it's just not something I want to learn.

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Cordelia Lear's picture

was a character in a 1974 movie called Blazing Saddles.

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"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak." --Paul Wellstone

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@Cordelia Lear . So, no knowledge about US based movie culture. Never heard about that movie. So sorry to be that "outlandish". Smile Hope you can handle me without getting upset.

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There's a lot of US pop culture that I haven't absorbed - especiailly in the last 30 odd years - either. This was just one I happened to recognize so I answered your question. If you have a TV service Blazing Saddles is one that periodically runs.

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"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak." --Paul Wellstone

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explain insider talk and jokes to outsiders, who don't get it. It's the "being a foreigner thingy". I try to imagine to explain German joky insider talk to an American, who doesn't understand it, and feel it's kind of burden to have to do it.

I cut out TV service since a couple of months. And really don't miss it.

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Blazing Saddles is the Greatest American movie of all time. It ranks up there with Casablanca,
Gone with the Wind, and All Quiet on the Western Front.

So if you haven't seen it, I'd highly recommend it. It's like a synopsis of America all in one movie.

Just kidding around mimi. I lived in West Germany for five years so I got my taste of being a
foreigner. Nothing I could do. I'd go into a restaurant and use by very best German to order
the meal and the server would always say, "will that be all?", in English. Evidently I was a dead ringer American.

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may not be the greatest American movie of all time, but Mongo is certainly representative of a large segment of the American electorate.

Case in point:

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

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1974 ... I never used netflix. Any other way to see it. I think YouTube has only clips.

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Cordelia Lear's picture

borrowed from your local library?.!!

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"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak." --Paul Wellstone