I haven't seen much here about this.
Submitted by tapu dali on Wed, 02/15/2017 - 7:30am
I'm referring to the Trump - Putin "scandal", which some here consider to be "much ado about little".
Would someone care to comment about articles like this?
Or is it not worth our time?
I'm not trying to be difficult. I honestly want to know what people here think about it. As for myself, I'm more than a little concerned that Trump, and the Republicans in Congress, are dangerously close to to the line where their behavior could be called treasonous.
I welcome other views.
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It calls for a full blown investigation which is underway
They are wading through a large number of transcripts to see if there are instances of collusion, which I don't know if that constitutes treason per se, but it is practicing foreign policy as an unelected official; a serious criminal offense.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
What does "Practicisng foreign policy" mean?
Practicing foreign policy
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
Exactly. I don't get
all the fuss over at Kos about this "scandal," except they seem to think, once all is said and done, that Hillary somehow becomes president after Trump is thumped. They Still have hope that Her Highness wears her much deserved crown.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
They've Gone Insane At The Orange Stain...
Despite the legitimate election results.
Despite their clear failure.
Despite the laws of this country.
Despite the US Constitution.
Despite there is still a mass exodus from the party.
Despite the Rigged Primary.
Despite the millions of people poisoned toward the party by Correct The Record Trolls.
Everyone will come back together again... "Because Trump."
Their thinking long ago defied logic, and they are in serious need of that "Check Up From The Neck Up."
It's Not A...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz6w2ldoFw]
It's the death of the
democRATicParty...I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
@Oldest Son Of A Sailor
Lol, wanna bet that they'll likely plan to have TPTB's government lackey's pass another illegal law or 6 to make more of the illegal termed 'legal', have the election declared void (as it actually should be, since it was based on the illegitimate result of Dem Primary cheating and it should have been the Dem winner Bernie VS Repub, in order to be a legitimate election with The People's choice winning,) and have the Supreme Court appoint the Clintons, since two are bitter as one, and put-Bill-in-charge-of-the-economy-in-poor-areas will have to work fast to trash the remains of The Poors ground-level economy in boring old Regular Reality - real fast - while Hillary plays with her nukes at long last, polishing off life on the planet to be certain that the world is her very own funereal pyre and she is, indeed The First And Last Sitting-Pee US President EVAH!
Of course, the Dem notion of The Dream probably doesn't include the part about Her Royal Coronation polishing off all life, as in including theirs and her own - just those dratted Poors, once drained of anything still remaining to them for Those Who Matter...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
You said it better than I did for sure...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
@Oldest Son Of A Sailor
Lol, no way; yours was much better. Mine was merely much bitter.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Oldest Son Of A Sailor I hate to be a
OTOH, maybe the hackers of the world will prevent the results from being adjusted for Hillary by adjusting them otherwise.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Nice thought, but they now kinda have the internet, (which was developed at the American public's cost and forms essential public communication,) don't they?
On the other hand:
Feb 17/ 7:45 PM
http://russia-insider.com/en/great-draining-begins-trump-purges-state-de...
*wishes for heavily-buttered popcorn*
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"practicing foreign policy as an unelected official"
thanks
I don't think it's a real thing, unless or until someone is
President. The allegation is that "it" started a year ago. A year ago, Trump was not even the nominee. I don't think candidates "practicing foreign policy" is a real thing. More importantly, I don't think Putin thinks candidates' practicing foreign policy is a real thing. If it candidates practicing foreign policy is a real thing, I'd sure like to know what it consists of.
I don't think an essayist claiming treason makes something--we're not quite sure what--treason, either.
What if the candidate is the incumbent? Gimme space bro!
Made my lint trap spew this from the ancient bookmark pile: Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election
Pulling a Clintonesque public/private oops. Treason! LOL thanks
Ok, I looked it up; turns out it is kind of a real thing
The law doesn't use the words "practicing foreign policy" but there is a law that says this:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953
Pretty vague language... "in relation to any disputes or controversies" ... I suppose elections could fall into this definition, but it's rather unclear. Typical lawyer language imo, impossible to decipher a concrete meaning.
Anyway, we have no idea what these allleged conversations with Trump "associates" consisted of. If it's just people trying to make a buck (or a few billion bucks), I don't think that would break this law. Nor would something like an ex-president negotiating a peace deal elsewhere, unless such an agreement was specifically against US policy. If it was to influence a US election, that's more of a gray area perhaps.
But in any case, it isn't treason or even close. Three years prison if prosecuted, and/or an unspecified fine. People get longer sentences for weed. Much longer in some cases.
This story really does sound like it's just a lot of bellowing and throwing fuel into the fire that is being stoked in which to burn Trump to a cinder. Which is stupid and unnecessary imo, although given how much I despise Trump and everyone around him, I'm hard pressed to feel sorry for them. Ooo, the mean old media is trying to make his life difficult? Sniff...
@CS in AZ Well, yeah, I
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@eyo Um... the Clinton
I don't think the problem there is unappointed civilians practicing cowboy diplomacy; I think it's more that appointed officials are announcing to the whole fucking world that they're for sale to the highest bidder.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, they have to practice before they get to the big game
I believe the meaning involves the dropping of dropping bombs
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
For example--
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The subject is Trump.
We're talking about something or other Trump campaign officials have supposedly been doing for a year.What have Trump campaign officials supposedly been doing for a year that constitutes "practicing" foreign policy?" At most, they offered to do certain things if Trump was elected. That's neither conducting foreign policy nor treason.
BTW, I disagree with you as to Reagan and Rodman, but I don't want to go off on that tangent as neither of those things is the subject this thread.
I don't recall saying that it was treason.
If collusion can be proved, if Trump knew about it or more likely suggested it, if I were speculate, which I am, then there is serious trouble afoot. There are heaps of transcripts from Trump's aids' trips abroad. Normal surveillance practices for anyone visiting with Russian dignitaries. Most likely leaked by the the intelligence community who are pretty pissed at Trump. IF they can find a quo, then it would be a violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
There's actual paper unlike the alleged Roosian hacks, where the intelligence community was trying to prove a negative as far as I'm concerned. No or insufficient tangible evidence. Funny how the congress has gone quiet on that matter.
Foreign Policy is a rather broad expression. Policy being a soft word unlike rule or law. As I see it, any effort to manipulate a sovereign nation is essentially an effort to assert policy.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Dennis Rodman
@sojourns My problem with that
Fuck. That. Noise.
If we didn't have such a narrow definition of treason, THAT would be treason, not because he negotiated with the Iranians, but because he used the United States' enemy as a tool to prolong the suffering of our captured citizens, so that he could use that suffering as political fodder for his loathsome career.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Agrees and applauds!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Exactly.
@HenryAWallace Talking on the phone
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I remember when ex-prez Jimmy Carter
I guess that was a bad thing.
I'm certain that President Carter
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I'm hearing a lot of unproven faith
in what is and isn't a crime
Generally, faith doesn't require proof.
And by the way. In all of Carter's post presidential peace initiatives, he was in no way, shape or form representing the United States policy or otherwise. Moot.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
True
However, we aren't debating, or even searching for the truth.
The truth is irrelevant when you have faith.
Did Trump break any laws? Who cares! Dems believe he did.
I don't know what it is that you are debating
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Allow me to offer an example
the criminal Jesse Jackson
Do you think Jackson should be in jail?
@gjohnsit Jackson
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@sojourns
But all of this claimed evidence is described as being 'classified', as are the pertinent details, and it sounds (rather obviously to me) as though there is more whole cloth being manufactured in which to dress the Empire's exploded claims to any 'need' of their seizing Top Secret control over the American electoral apparatus and nuking a long-waiting list of countries capable of resisting conventional military muggings/invasions for corporate take-over.
Considering the way all sides of the power struggle lie, I'd believe none of them, but we do know enough about the 'Rooshia hacked the emails/election' propaganda to dismiss that and this is apparently more of the same effluent being pumped by the corporate media into the revolted public maw, even if some do swallow rather than spit.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
How do we disambiguate so many shades of grey?
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
@sojourns
Actually, it's more that the Parasite Class felt it would be OK to destroy the planetary life forming the life-support system, because either Super-Jesus or Super-Tech is going to swoop down in the nick of time to save them, and only them.
In the latter case, apparently by turning them into cyborgs and/or ultimately personality recordings within mechanical objects where they can live in Virtual Reality, as though they already don't, ("We can live forever, by no longer living at all!") they can exist in the most horrible, self-created dystopia imaginable for all eternity. In other words, they're busily inventing hell on Earth for themselves.
Only, of course, they'll still be dead and their personality recordings won't have any real feelings either so won't really be capable of caring... sorta like they are now, actually...
Going to re-post this here, for a little of the background.
This is a gotta-read.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationshi...
And Obama's been planning to become a Silicone Valley venture capitalist, joining a number of Bush Admin and other ex-public official in various jobs in Silicone Valley...
http://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/obama-the-vc.html
There's a lot more than robots - and immortality - involved - another must-read:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/22/robots-google-ray-kur...
But if it ain't real, it ain't reality - and you can only fly off of that cliff to a soft landing in your dreams. Real reality causes you to come down to Earth with a literal splat, no matter what you might believe to be true in your own little virtual reality, or delusional state, to use real-world terms.
But when you move to a magical belief system, you may be willing to sacrifice the real world and everyone else in it to gain your very own, personal fantasy world... especially if you're among - or hope to be among - the insulated super-wealthy planning to live forever in your very own special virtual reality, wishing the cliffs away by the magical tech that makes it up for you.
Venture capitalism sounds like a good way to make the requisite... billions?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I have found Google to be a frightening entity
Those were great articles. I did not know that Google was in bed with the gov't to the extent that it is.
Hello Skynet.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
@sojourns
Actually, it's more that the Parasite Class felt it would be OK to destroy the planetary life forming the life-support system, because either Super-Jesus or Super-Tech is going to swoop down in the nick of time to save them, and only them.
In the latter case, apparently by turning them into cyborgs and/or ultimately personality recordings within mechanical objects where they can live in Virtual Reality, as though they already don't, ("We can live forever, by no longer living at all!") they can exist in the most horrible, self-created dystopia imaginable for all eternity. In other words, they're busily inventing hell on Earth for themselves.
Only, of course, they'll still be dead and their personality recordings won't have any real feelings either so won't really be capable of caring... sorta like they are now, actually...
Going to re-post this here, for a little of the background.
This is a gotta-read.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationshi...
And Obama's been planning to become a Silicone Valley venture capitalist, joining a number of Bush Admin and other ex-public official in various jobs in Silicone Valley...
http://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/obama-the-vc.html
There's a lot more than robots - and immortality - involved - another must-read:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/22/robots-google-ray-kur...
But if it ain't real, it ain't reality - and you can only fly off of that cliff to a soft landing in your dreams. Real reality causes you to come down to Earth with a literal splat, no matter what you might believe to be true in your own little virtual reality, or delusional state, to use real-world terms.
But when you move to a magical belief system, you may be willing to sacrifice the real world and everyone else in it to gain your very own, personal fantasy world... especially if you're among - or hope to be among - the insulated super-wealthy planning to live forever in your very own special virtual reality, wishing the cliffs away by the magical tech that makes it up for you.
Venture capitalism sounds like a good way to make the requisite... billions?
Got another error message - wonder if this monster actually got through this time or not?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@sojourns
How the heck does an unelected official 'practice foreign policy' when presumably only an official can put through official foreign policy? Or is America about to hang all of the diplomats for treason?
On the other hand, corporate/billionaire interference in foreign policy to profit thereby or in using domestic public policy against the public ought to be a hanging (as a figure of speech) offense...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I haven't seen any evidence other than some vague
accusations by "anonymous officials", the same stuff they pulled with the DNC hacks and many other things. So it sounds like an episode of "propaganda theater" to me. And of course, it plays right into the "Russia is our enemy" bullshit and is obviously part of the ruling class power struggle going on. I think Trump and his regime (like Obama and his regime) are and will be treasonous against the Serfs of the U.S., but not for this.
I agree
@Big Al Spot on.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The world is not my enemy, includes Russia
Hi Tapu Dali, are you coming from dkos? You should declare, haha ;-).
Here is my single opinion, fwiw thanks for asking. What do I care if billionaires tools leak? I don't care really, let 'em spy all they want on each other. Might benefit the regular citizenry, I can't see how it could hurt. Maybe they'll leak the stupid plans to "upgrade" U.S. nuclear capabilities, so it could slow that death march a little, or something.
Red-baiting is how it looks, all of it. Even the "proof". What is wrong with Russia? They got out of Afghanistan when the U.S. can not? Okay, collapse is coming wait for it. Funny coincidence these two wiki pages:
Corrupt governments go bankrupt, just like everything else. lol
Have a great day!
Peace
The relationship...
of the NYT and the CIA/MIC makes them unbelievable and not trustworthy. I've come to trust very little info from the NYT, and always compare with a trusted source. Just as Alex article on Syria from yesterday supports the collusion of Amnesty and human rights watch with the CIA/MIC.
Here's a excerpt from an old article by Glenn Greenwald -
Here we have a New York Times reporter who covers the CIA colluding with its spokesperson to plan for the fallout from the reporting by his own newspaper ("nothing to worry about"). Beyond this, that a New York Times journalist – ostensibly devoted to bringing transparency to government institutions – is pleading with the CIA spokesperson, of all people, to conceal his actions and to delete the evidence of collusion is so richly symbolic.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/29/correspondence-col...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
@Lookout
(Edit: think this was supposed to be to dkmich - hit the reply to Lookout by accident. And just now noticed a cancel function at the message bottom... do need more sleep, someday...)
Trump made no secret - during his well-publicized Presidential run, this being, I should think a rarely more universally popular Trump notion placing him over The Mad Bomber - of the fact that he'd rather make deals with Russia than initiate WW3, and these further damaging sanctions to be enacted because of intelligence-insultingly bogus claims would logically be part of this. So this wasn't exactly a underground idea, nor is the idea of not attacking other people's countries/nuking the world into a barren radioactive waste for increased corporate power and wealth harmful to America or her people.
And it sounds to me as though the warmongers (profiteers/fanatics) are very upset that 'Russia didn't react to the sanctions' because of Trump rather than Clinton being cheated in, as they probably had the nukes all ready to go on this feeble excuse...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
A lot of mixed thoughts....
I put no credence in the NYT, so I went over to the Intercept and poked around. I can't think of one recent administration that didn't commit treason, just not as quickly and without the blessings of the deep state as the Trump group of globalists. If "we the people" are the government, why does the oligarchy control it instead of us?
I have no doubt Russia and the Trump administration have and plan to have many lucrative business deals with Russia. There appears to be evidence that at least Flynn discussed sanctions and other things with Russia. Many of Trump's global oligarchs have documented business ties to Russia as do the Clintons. My guess is all of this was discovered when they were looking for the source of the WikiLeaks. I still see no evidence that Russia hacked the DNC computers and gave the emails to Assange.
From Caitlin's recent post, Bashing Trump Doesn’t Make You A Rebel, It Makes You An Establishment Tool
I agree with Caitlin.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Save for one thing
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
@sojourns
And it was not a legitimate election, like waaaaay too many others.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@sojourns Because of the
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Caitlin
has been knocking it out of the park! Must read stuff everyday.
Add me to that list.
I've found my political voice with Caitlin.
But also with quite a few voices here that have, in the course of a single year, stepped up to a higher plane with a better view. It's astonishing, really.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
I also
Everyone does it...But
Trump people are/were inexperienced and incompetent in 'contacts'.
Usually it's 'private citizens' talking with other 'private citizens' or 'unrelated' persons like Swiss businessmen.
The government used to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists" except everyone talks to everyone else all the time.
Trump transition was amateur hour. We will see how it plays out'
I'm more worried of the fascist cabal running the whitehouse.
I want a Pony!
We are at war with Eurasia,
we have always been at war with Eurasia.
I know that Americans are predisposed to fear
the Soviet UnionRussia but I'll need to see a little more proof before I light my hair on fire. I'm predisposed to distrust the intelligence "community".We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Deep state - why are we still playing their game.
Marching for women, opposing Trump, stop this one -that one--wtf! What aren't we marching to reform the vote? Paper ballots, publicly funded elections, run-off voting, no party registrations.
I don't trust the anti-Trump rallies to be anything but sanctioned and funded by the opposing oligarchs. When Hillary's PPH, MoveOn, and other veal pen "progressives" support something, I immediately detect a smell.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
"Another" view? You did not explain yours.
What are the allegedly treasonous deeds?
I would like to know
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
So far, it seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors,
mostly smoke. Except for the liar part, which is true, but I've yet to witness a politician who is not deceptive. Trump is just much sloppier than most of the other high level pols.
As far as the alleged treason, something certainly may have happened. Or not. But establishment media is certainly making it sound as though someone talked to someone about something and therefore we are all in great danger. I have no idea what the danger consists of since Russia is in no position to attack us and does not seem inclined to anyway. Nonetheless, I am TERRIFIED and I'm pretty sure we all should be.
Wouldn't you say that whoever is not also terrified is probably in on it, whatever "it" is?
For the love of all that is good in the world, if you see something, say something!!!11!!
@HenryAWallace I have recently seen
The alleged Russian hookers give the religious fundamentalists an excuse to dump Trump, but the rest of us either don't believe it or don't care. Treason with Russia would be good for targeting the love-my-gun-collection crowd to turn on Trump.
Synchronicity!
I just posted an essay on impeachment that very briefly at the outset raises the question whether media and others have been trying to manipulate us into demanding impeachment of Trump. At the end, my essay asks us to imagine the potential for abuse in selection of Vice Presidents if we take impeachment lightly.
http://caucus99percent.com/content/impeach-impeach-part-1
That is exactly what the republicans want
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The real story here
Yes. It was a terribly sad day
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
@HenryAWallace
Lol, he's giving Clinton a run for her money, isn't he? And an appropriate phrase, since that's why they were both running for the Presidency and much of the reason why the endless lies are needed. And why the Clinton's are so peeved, because their low-guesstimated retirement fund of a mere hundred million or so isn't nearly big enough to suit them.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Sorry, dude.
In a propaganda war between Trumpists and the deep state I really don't feel like participating.
Great post, but resisting whatever the establishment is
trying hard to convince you is what you really want is probably a good idea. Right now, I think demanding impeachment of Trump is supposed to be what you really want to do. Do you? Surreal as I think he is as President, I don't think I want us to be manipulated into demanding impeachment.
Trump,
I agree it is treason.
Looks like Russia is now trying to distract to save their little
redorange friend.There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Not per the Constitution. We are officially at war with nobody,
and openly at war with Syria, while meddling & intervening in internal wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places. We have, however, no enemy other than peace, truth, and the right of others to be free of US dominion and control.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Treason defined
Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution.
as perEven if it was a stretch, I personally do not see how this is treason.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Gen. Flynn
@Linda Wood
Nope, the various PTB running the US and other governments/organizations/financial institutions and other corporations and/or profiting greatly from them and the rest of us are the enemies of the world. Do I win a box of Crackerjack or perhaps some nifty piece of plastic from inside one for this answer?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Who is an adversary?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Thanks for the video, and to whoever made it and those who pressed for transparency and answers to the obvious!
The obvious conclusion is that the PTB regard the world and evidently life itself as their adversaries, and that other countries would have have just as much justification for spying on TPTB and their various agencies and corporate 'political parties' or for threatening group military/nuclear retaliation for these spying intrusions upon their privacy as have been claimed by the lackeys of TPTB in their 'Russia did it!' propaganda over the corporate Dem Party insider leaks. Far more and actual justification in reality, of course, because the US PTB pose a unique and totalitarian threat to all others and to all life on the planet...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North These were NSA
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Cuz it isn't
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
"It" is treason? Please specify what "it" consists of.
So far, you and the essayist claim something or other = treason with zero explanation or analysis of the allegedly treasonous deeds.
@HenryAWallace
Aren't the purported details and evidence classified so that the public can't see them, any more than they'll be able to see details and evidence of the processes and results of future election which are also now National Security issues reserved for specific agencies and private interests?
I've seen the future and it's being redacted as we speak.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
You want to live in Putin's world?
Not me.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Then don't run for President of Russia.
Me neither, too damn cold.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Crimea is not too bad
.
Even Crimea,
which Russians think of as Puerto Vallarta or something, looks a little cold to me.
EnglishRussia
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Crimea has a humid subtropical climate Cfa much like
south eastern US.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-maps/world-climate-map.html.
The mountains are always colder. I could also go skiing in southern California right now.
You'll never see this in Malibu.
EnglishRussia
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Of course not. But it made my point. You can't use higher
elevations as typical of a region.
Just like you can't use atypical weather events
@CB
But the US already had it kidnapped once, so kinda risky there.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
There's as much chance of Crimea leaving Russia as there is
of Hawaii leaving the US.
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