Well This Didn't Take Long. Maddow Blames Stein Supporters Clinton Loss

What a worthless hack. So Rachael Maddow has been using her Rhodes Scholar creds to dissect the election and here's what she's discovered. Jill Stein voters cost Hillary the election.

In Florida, Hillary Clinton lost by about 1.4% of the vote – but if Jill Stein’s supporters and half of Gary Johnson’s backers had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

Similarly, in Pennsylvania, Clinton lost by about 1.1% of the vote – but if Jill Stein’s supporters and half of Gary Johnson’s backers had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

In Wisconsin, Clinton lost by about 1% of the vote – but if Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

In Michigan, Clinton appears to be on track to lose by about 0.3% of the vote – but if half of Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

Whole lot of "ifs" and assumptions in there. Florida. IF Jill's supporters AND HALF of Johnson supporters had voted for Clinton she would have won. Johnson supporters voting for Clinton? What a joke. And Jill's supporters voting for Clinton? Not likely. And this person is supposed to be intelligent!! This is the best the MSM has to offer! She doesn't bother to mention that 6 million people decide to stay home and not vote. That Clinton was the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have ran. And I'm sure the lizards over at top will run with this bullshit lame ass excuse for their queen's defeat. Personally, being a Jill voter in Ohio, I would love to take credit for Clinton's defeat but I like the truth and facts more. Here's Jimmy Dore's take on this bullshit.

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detroitmechworks's picture

Thanks so much for giving us the credit.

Now would be a good time to pen the op ed about the new direction the Democrats need to take in order to attract those voters so it doesn't happen again...

Guilt? I'm sorry, you want the Catholic School down the way if you're peddling that crap.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Lily O Lady's picture

the primary. We could have won with Bernie. We could have been contenders!

Thanks, Maddow, for nuttin'!

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

snoopydawg's picture

The numbers showed that Bernie would have beaten trump, and the DNC knew that but they ran their candidate that had 30 years of garbage attached to her instead.
Look at how many times Hillary said that her vote or her actions were a mistake.
And Hillary and the DNC didn't realize how angry people were.
Millions of them lost their homes and pensions and while the banks that caused that to happen got bailed out, those people didn't. Even when the was blatant fraud going on while people were trying to refinance, Obama's justice department did nothing.
Oh and Rachel. If invading Iraq under false pretenses was bad it was just as bad invading Libya and Syria under false pretenses to. And how about those illegal drone strikes against people who hadn't threatened this country?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Lily O Lady's picture

when Democrats start them. The DNC is reality challenged.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

divineorder's picture

People, especially reliable voters in the senior demographic are concerned about Medicare which Hillary did nothing to allay fears.

We need to go on the offensive to stop the run to privatization, stat.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

Bollox Ref's picture

Because Johnson supporters are so obviously wannabe Clinton supporters.

Which target audience is this commentary for? The very dense?

Hack!

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

dance you monster's picture

The Libertarian Party in the US is, however, economically conservative, closer to the anti-tax Republicans, so why isn't anyone wondering about the votes Johnson took away from Trump?

Okay, the argument here is a little better, that Johnson's voters would have split between the two major candidates. Thus, take all of Stein's voters (who magically are assumed to be beholden to Hillary for some reason) and half of Johnson's voters (to reflect that maybe half were would-be Republicans), to get a number that would have put Hillary over the top in some states. But that only works if you don't think the would-be Republican voters for Johnson should not be moved to Trump's totals, putting him back in the lead.

This is not logic that Rachel is spouting, just sore-loserism . . . and an anti-Left bias when it comes to blaming somebody, anybody, but the Democratic candidate herself.

[edited for spelling]

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Alphalop's picture

unlikely "If's" into into the equation.

I got half way through her first paragraph and was immediately reminded of another of my Grandma's old witticisms (Seems she has one for just about everything I say, lol! )

"If my Aunt had balls she would be my Uncle."

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

the mind is their IFs. If Jill's supporters and HALF of Johnson's supporters had voted for Clinton in Florida, she would have won Florida. Are they that desperate for scapegoats? Why doesn't she say "IF Trump voters had voted for poor Hillary she would have won!" How about this Rachael. IF all of Clinton's and Johnson's voters had voted for Jill she would be president! How about IF every state would allow write in candidates and everyone wrote in "Rachael Maddow", YOU would be president! Yippie!!
How about this you idiot Rhodes Scholar. If you and the rest of the MSM hadn't sided with the worst. candidate. ever. and aided and abetted the theft of the Dem primary, we would have had a candidate that would have beat Trump.

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Bollox Ref's picture

Bill Clinton and R. Maddow. Both Rhodes Scholars.

I'm beginning to think a Rhodes Scholarship is overrated.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Phoebe Loosinhouse's picture

Rachel proves who stole the strawberries with geometric logic!

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

to come up with a yuge list of "ifs" for poor Rachael. and send them to her email/twitter.
IF Rachael could eat coal and shit diamonds, she'd be the most popular commentator on MSNBC!

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my dad: If my granny had balls she'd be my grampa.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Alphalop's picture

as I posted a very similar one a couple rows up from mine, lol!

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

CS in AZ's picture

Then she would have won! - Wow, no shit, Rachel, you're a genius.

She might also mention that if only 2% of Trump voters had voted for Hillary instead, she'd have won. Or, you know, if 2% more democrats had bothered to vote for her... imagine the possibilities.

This blame game stuff is absurd. If only the democrats had nominated someone capable of inspiring more people to vote for them. Then they would have won.

The democrats appear to have learned nothing from this fiasco, which they created, by forcibly installing Hillary as their chosen nominee, and giving Bernie and his supporters a big middle finger. Now they whine because we didn't kiss her ring? How stupid.

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We should wear it proudly. One of our many articulate and camera-friendly 99-ers needs to call up her producer and offer to come on her show. Maddow has probably heard of our little branch of the Manson family (according to TOP legend) through our publicists at GOS.

Of course, if three representatives of C99 went on Maddow, it would qualify as a movement.

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PriceRip's picture

          We should make this official and grab as much credit as possible.

          We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

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You guys would do a great job. Wink

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Alphalop's picture

pretty used to talking to unreceptive or outright hostile crowds. Smile

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

lotlizard's picture

the Caucus 99 Percent Anti-Massacree Movement, and all you have to do to join is to sing the chorus the next time it comes around on the gee-tar. . . . Here it comes . . .

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our song should be "Helter Skelter."

[video:https://youtu.be/UWleIQexoT0]

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detroitmechworks's picture

I'm partial to something from the 90s...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_uujKuJMI]

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Alphalop's picture

something like this.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvauPL3BRB8]

{Lyrics}

Ah damn, we got a lot of stupid people
Doing a lot of stupid things
Thinking a lot of stpuid thoughts
And if you want to see one
Just look in the mirror
Gotta kill Captain Stupid, can't you see him
Today we start the new way, we're Suicidal
Gotta kill the old way, we'll make it better
Won't you join our mission, don't be stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Brothers killing brothers, what up with that?
Can't you see they're laughing, that ain't funny
Babies making babies, that ain't love
You just got screwed over, get some respect
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
And I don't understand why
People be bringin' Captain Stupid in their lives
Treating him like a superhero
Glorifying him when he ain't nothing but a superpunk
And you see, you're the one who's gonna have to stop him
'Cause you're the one that started him
Oh, what's that?
So now you say life sucks
Well, ninety-nine percent of it's
What you make of it...
So if your life sucks, you suck
What's that crap you're smoking, playing the fool
Waste your life for nothing, when you're something
What the hell you thinking, mind pollution
Got to get back control, it's your life fool
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Got to kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
I gotta, you gotta, I gotta
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
Kill him, kill him, kill him
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
I gotta, you gotta, I gotta
Gotta kill Captain Stupid
What's that now?
Ah, so you're scared to do something about it
Well, you better be scared not to do something about it
Because if you don't kill Captain Stupid
Captain Stupid gonna kill you
Got to kill Captain Stupid...fool

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

You can hear, anything they want, on Rachael's most any night
Yes you can hear, everything they want, at Rachael's most every night
Just sit right down, let her make it clear
with sunshine up your butt and a little fear
Yes you can hear everything they want, at Rachael's most every night

da da dum.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Bisbonian's picture

of Alice's Restaurant, and walk out.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

You might as well blame Trump supporters, because you had more chance to get their vote than mine.

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stein- baraka
2020

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Stein and Johnson voters were never going to vote for Hillary. No way. No how. Hillary would also be President if 2% of Trump voters voted for her.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

PriceRip's picture

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Then threaten more of the same if they don't listen to our demands.

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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho

WheninRome's picture

I am beginning to loathe Rachel.

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not to do it again.
And then we f*** them over, and do it again!

stein - baraka
2020

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Alphalop's picture

because I think you were just channeling Hillary. Wink

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Smityrn's picture

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Laura Smith

Wasn't the worst candidate ever, carrying enough baggage to sink the Titanic, she would have won in a landslide, and her supporters wouldn't resort to blaming everybody but Her.

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MsGrin's picture

I believe I've read that's what the SuperPACs and her campaign amassed. THAT's a real fuck up.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

stein - baraka
2020

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I would love a Don't blame me I voted for Bernie tee shirt.
I knew that they would blame progressives for her defeat when It was a badly
run campaign. Heck she did not bother to campaign at all in some states, she was
too busy with her fund raising dinners with the .1%
Poll after poll showed that Bernie would crush Trump, but Clinton would
probably lose. The DINOs wanted the most mistrusted and disliked
candidate because she was beloved by TPTB. She burped out a few progressive
items for their platform, but Obama had shown us that they lie when they say
they care about Americans.

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mouselander's picture

on full display. Rachel is fairly quivering with fury at the very notion that some voters dared to take issue with her construct that Hillary and Donald were the only "viable" candidates in the race, and anyone not favoring Trump was thereby morally obligated to vote for Clinton.

It's quite clear from her haughty and belittling tone that she knows better than us "little" folks, and to defy her dictates is an act of rank sedition that instantly lands you a spot in that ever-expanding "basket of deplorables." And just why does she know better? Why she was a Rhodes Scholar, for heaven's sake! She's obviously smart as a whip, and knows about all of this political stuff backwards and forwards.

Plus, she inhabits the political world, and has absorbed its intricacies at a level of complexity that mere mortals can only begin to conceptualize. And last but not least, she's fantastically wealthy, famous, and successful! Having done so exceptionally well for herself, just where do all these peons get off refusing to be guided by her sage wisdom?

Truly, the face of the Democratic Party today. Makes you really scratch your head as to how its candidate could possibly be beaten by an opponent who, with only slightly more body hair, would be almost impossible to distinguish from an orangutan. Just too many damn deplorables out there these days, I guess. Poor, pitiful, abused, put-upon Rachel. Next time, I think she's going to have to remember to scold just a little bit harder.

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TheOtherMaven's picture

and if anything the corruption induced by celebrity is a lot more insidious. You start by becoming Somebody, and then you think that being Somebody entitles you to tell all the little nobodies (that you were once one of) what to think.

Fuck that noise.

Tell it, Emily:

I'm nobody, who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us - don't tell,
They'd banish us, you know.

How dreadful to be Somebody,
all public like a frog,
to croak one's name the livelong day
to an admiring bog.

Admittedly, Ms. Dickinson was a fairly extreme agoraphobe, but she had a point.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

I really felt that she was including progressives in her deplorable rant.
Calling a big percentage of Americans deplorable was stupid. It pissed
many Americans off and they showed up to vote for Trump.

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What is up with this "Rhodes Scholar" business?
Must a person demonstrate any real intelligence to land one? Clearly not.
Ms. Maddow is both twit and nitwit, or I am no judge of idiots.

How about high character, moral fiber, and like that?
lolol: wjc aka "the big dog".

stein - baraka
2020

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Always punch left

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but was "too soon", because she was not POTUS - trying to wring a deal from the far right for some odious sponsored crap.

Does anyone else just love the way these media people never punch upwards at the DNC/DWS/Hellery, just leftwards at what could only be assumed to be the hardcore base of the Ds? Now, there's a great way to start preparing for the midterms and beyond!

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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever

Lenzabi's picture

why they do not blame those who stayed home refusing to use their vote? because they hope to woo them next time and for the mid-terms? She failed to GOTV and fire those folks up, but blaming them would keep them from voting for them, also, the mainstream parties have a vested interest in never allowing the 3rd parties to gain power and voters. I say it is what it is, a trick to keep folks from voting 3rd party, amongst the other tricks, such as "Don't throw your vote away" that they like to use all the time too. That the fault lays at Hillary and the DNC's very own feet is something that they can never do, and I don't expect that they will clean their own house, just attempts made to "pretty up the mess" like one does with a house in a sorry state with Spackle and paint to hide the problems.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

MsGrin's picture

stay home and not vote"

Can't say it loud or often enough: You Have To Give People Something To Vote FOR!

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Smityrn's picture

Karma is a bitch, isn't it. You lie, you cheat and you steal something, then it is ripped away from you. Shall we call the WAMBULANCE???? LOL To many more people than they realized, integrity is still something of importance, no matter what Bill Maher said, no matter what Liz Warren said, no matter what the man himself, Bernie Sanders said. I am proud to have been one of them. Nice thoughts, Sam!

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Laura Smith

Alphalop's picture

Karma is a bitch, isn't it.

Personally I would have to say that in my personal experience ever since I became aware of her I found Karma to be quite the lady. Smile

You just gotta make sure to never piss her off...

Oh wait, that's my wife. Wink

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

liberal political analysis from msm? It's patently absurd. Why does anyone even pay any attention to it? But come to think of it, I suppose fewer and fewer people do.

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native

as far as I am concerned.

stein - baaka
2020

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tourniquet's picture

going to have to deal with a couple of weeks of these people shouting at their dogs before they realize they were duped.

maddow, however, is one of the ones responsible for the duping, and i'm not sure we'll ever hear the end of it.

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GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG

egregious incompetence.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

tourniquet's picture

trying a similar argument, assuming people are going to relate the two. more baffling bullshit.

one might have a look at the laughably depressed vote on the dem side (6 million?) and one might assume that the dem candidate was not the greatest candidate. that takes some doing, with the brainbox, though. easier to react against the people that have been calling you (not you) a fucking dipshit since the early primary.

"people that told me hillary clinton wasn't a good presidential candidate are the reason hillary clinton was beaten by partial-orangutan trump in the general" isn't the best argument. lol.

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GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG

when we decided to vote Third Party. And I believe that was a very well thought out position to take, not one that was ever lightly taken by anyone out here for damned sure. I know for me I had some doubts, but Shillary herself banished those from me forever. They have no one to blame but themselves.

I've never been a Maddow watcher and now I realize I'm glad I never did - I'm suspicious instantly now by anyone who becomes that much of a celebrity, and I don't trust MSNBC anymore than I trust NBC, CNN, ABC, etc ad nauseum. Its Corporate media, it's never been liberal in my lifetime and I know its not going to start now.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

influence doesn't seem to have been a determinative factor in this election.
The fact that Trump beat Clinton, in spite of the nearly universal condemnation he received from the msm, is one of the most remarkable aspects of this election. The Mighty Wurlitzer was well-oiled with cash, tuned to perfection, and playing loud... but for one reason or another, people were simply not dancing to the music.

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I ran the numbers this morning and Clinton would have picked up about 25 EVs from MI (16) and WI (10). That would not be enough to win.

I also ran the numbers for Johnson. Trump would have picked up 34 EVs from Johnson supporters (MI, CO, NH, NV and NM).

Then there is McMullin. If his voters had gone to Trump in MI, Trump would have won there (10).

Anrent these numbers games fun?

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

Scholars such as Maddow and Nobel laureates in economics such as Paul Krugman, who laid Clinton's loss of Florida at Stein's door.

I refer them all to Steven D's piece here: http://caucus99percent.com/content/effect-third-parties-clintons-loss-nu...

The real problem--too obvious for a brainiac to address (see The Intellectual Yet Idiot: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.nbt...)--is that Hillary Clinton failed to motivate enough people to vote for her. Also that this election's two main entrees failed to motivate millions of Americans who voted for Obama to vote at all.

As I keep saying: Give us a candidate worth voting for, and we do. Don't, and we don't. Maybe if I rephrase that with polysyllables, the Very Smart People who 'splain things to us will understand?

EDIT: We have to be wrong--someone else has to be at fault--or they'd have to consider the possibility of error on their part in backing the wrong candidate and misjudging the entire electoral landscape when they're paid for their insightful prognostication. Another angle: They're all still shilling for Hillary and their own status quo.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Amanda Matthews's picture

is theirs to decide who to chose? Our vote is our vote. Try telling the Big Giant Head that she should have voted the way WE wanted her to and see what she says.

I was never a Maddow fan. Or a Tweety fan. Or a Bee fan (she's the most annoying woman on Earth). And it goes without saying that I can't name a single Republican talking head that I can stand. I don't care what any of them say. I go by what a candidate says and does, not what some paid pundit thinks.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

called Trump voters bigots and racists on election night. Without qualification. Just no clue what happened. But how can you expect otherwise? Personally, the Stein numbers are actually very disappointing. I expected at least double that. Would have left the establishment in a much greater tizzy of course.

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“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”

Citizen Of Earth's picture

I assume as a Rhodes Scholar, first grade math is not beyond her intellect.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Bollox Ref's picture

Jill 1

means
Clinton -1
Trump 0

Trump leads..............

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

sojourns's picture

Silly Madcow.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

FYI: Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar too.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

edg's picture

5 numbers between 1 and 69 plus 1 number between 1 and 26, and those numbers were the correct ones for this past Wednesday's drawing, I'd have won the Powerball jackpot and would be on a tropical island sipping a Margarita instead of sitting here commenting on c99.

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ZimInSeattle's picture

Whenever you hear someone making that argument, the fact that 300,000 registered FLA Dems voted for Bush is conveniently left out.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

lunachickie's picture

I remember when Maddow was on Air America, back when she was--apparently--much more likable. Now she sounds like she could be a Front-Pager at the Daily Kos.

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snoopydawg's picture

She has certainly changed her mind about a lot of things.
I remember her talking about the Iraq war.
She certainly has been silent since Obama started doing the same things hasn't she?
$7 million can change a persons mind I guess.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Hors D'oeuvre served at Hillarys cocktail parties for the press. More caviar?

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"La fiesta no es para los feos. No puedes pasar aqui.
Tan feo tu eres, senor. Superfeo!
No puedes pasar."
Havana Bay- M. Gardner

stein - baraka
2020

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