Why I prefer that Hillary wins
Don't misunderstand me: I would prefer that Jill Stein wins.
In fact, I would prefer to get punched in the face several times if it would prevent Hillary winning.
But that isn't the choice before us.
I'm under no impression that Hillary will be anything other than a terrible president, but so would The Donald.
I personal don't care that Trump is a pig. It makes little impact on his ability to be competent as president.
His intentions to dramatically cut taxes for the wealthy, gut the EPA and Wall Street regulation, while continuing the GWOT and the surveillance state makes him a terrible choice for president.
On the other hand, Hillary would be only marginally better, if that.
In the recent Wikileaks revelations confirming Hillary Clinton’s duplicity, one of the clearest disclosures of her policy plans concerns her intention regarding Social Security. She stated that she would return to the position of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, charged with producing recommendations for reducing the deficit, i.e. cutting government social spending....
Hillary Clinton’s speeches to the captains of finance strongly imply that she would resume the project of privatizing Social Security. Hers will be a gradual, stealth approach. The opening salvo will be further cuts in benefits and extensions of the full-benefit retirement age. But these alone will not satisfy Wall Street. The privatization plan will be resurrected, first in the form of legislation once again to begin “partial privatization.” In the end, the objective will be to turn the program into a broker’s-fee-for-service plan entirely in the hands of Wall Street. Retired workers will no longer be unqualifiedly entitled to Social Security benefits. Their fortunes will be tied to the vagaries of the stock market and other speculative ventures favored by brokers. And retirees will pay for this “service.” There will be no refunds when the market goes belly-up.
What's more, if Hillary wins in a landslide, then we can expect the worst of both worlds.
The landslide will be a mandate for more permanent war, more favors for Wall Street, more privatization of the public sphere, more of the racist War on Drugs that feeds mass incarceration, more pipelines and fracking, more half-hearted action against climate change.
A landslide will give Ms. Clinton no motivation to repair the Affordable Care Act’s deep defects. She’ll feel no obligation to maintain her campaign-season opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which she promoted vigorously as Secretary of State.
Ms. Clinton will interpret the landslide as a license to discard the modest populist concessions she made to keep Bernie Sanders’ supporters inside the Democratic Party fold.
Basically, the corrupt neoliberal, warmongering, political insider Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with our political system.
So why on Earth would I prefer that Hillary win?
Two reasons.
One reason is that she won't be winning in a landslide.
There’s been a potential breach of Hillary Clinton’s electoral firewall. And it’s come in New Hampshire, a state that we said a couple of weeks ago could be a good indicator of a Donald Trump comeback because of its large number of swing voters...
If Clinton lost New Hampshire but won her other firewall states, each candidate would finish with 269 electoral votes, taking the election to the House of Representatives.
There is no chance of the Dems winning the House, while the Senate appears headed for a 50-50 split. This makes it harder for Hillary to push through her awful agenda, than Trump would have pushing through his awful agenda (with exceptions, of course).
In a related point, there is Hillary's baggage.
If Hillary Clinton wins Tuesday, she’ll head into office under the cloud of two major FBI investigations, including one that’s reportedly “likely” to lead to an indictment....
At a minimum, it all guarantees that Congress will be probing Justice’s conduct — and demanding some sort of special prosecutor take over the case(s) should Clinton win the White House.
Now, even before Election Day, Hillary is facing two more serious probes. Americans already distrust her — and it seems those worries will only grow if she’s elected.
This is a sure recipe for political gridlock, which is the best we can hope for given these two terrible candidates.
The other reason I would prefer that Hillary wins:
The corrupt neoliberal, warmongering, political insider Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with our political system
Why is that a reason for me preferring she wins?
Because she is going to fail, and fail badly.
As the symbolic embodiment of everything that is wrong with our political system, it might finally cause Democratic voters to reject fear and embrace change.
Why is "nothing good can come of this" good? Because ridding the nation of its political corruption will require hitting bottom.
Just as an alcoholic or drug addict is incapable of making any truly positive changes until he/she hits absolute bottom, so it is with our tolerance of a corrupt political system that is poisoning the nation, one injection of corrupt cash, collusion and pay-to-play at a time.
I recently cross-posted Where is our Ferdinand Pecora?
The story was instructive that even as late as 1932, there was no real push for reforming Wall Street.
The status-quo had successfully defended the existing system until then.
Glass-Steagall didn't happen until the entire banking system had collapsed and had been discredited.
There is no chance of reforming our broken political system until it is similarly discredited.
TPTB will fight real reforms tooth-and-nail.
Republican voters have embraced real change.
Independent voters have embraced real change.
Non-voters have embraced real change.
Democratic voters voters have NOT embraced real change.
Sure, Bernie may have won 23 states, but most of those states were caucus states or open primaries.
Most Democratic voters are still paralyzed with fear, and they are holding us all back.
We need to be united in purpose as a people. We need to be so disgusted with the political system that the ruling elite can't drown us out. We need TPTB is actually fear us more than fearing the loss of a little of their power.
Only then will real change happen.
A majority of Democratic voters, as typified by TOP, are more interested in virtue signaling, cheering the team uniform, and trembling in fear of the Hitler-Of-The-Week.
More than anything, Democrats support check-box-identity-politics, and Hillary embodies this.
So will President Hillary discredit the current political system?
I believe she will.
First of all, Hillary is being set up to fail by the economic business cycle.
As I showed here, here, here, and here, we will be in a recession sooner rather than later, and the working class is already living on the edge.
Also, Hillary's military adventure is Syria will be a disaster (and here).
Hillary, the symbolic embodiment of everything that is wrong with our political system, is already distrusted and disliked.
When the economy sinks and her signature war ends in defeat, she will be discredited, as will the establishment that forced her on us.
Then maybe, just maybe, democratic voters will want something other than protection from false fears and false identities. Maybe they will finally demand real change.
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Exactly. Some have stepped
up, and some have been stepped on. The natives will win at Standing Rock Only if many many white privileged stand with them. Neither the pipeline owners or Obama give a damn about a handful of injuns. They won't think twice about snuffing their asses. Hell, they won't give a damn if the white privileged show up, either, unless the numbers are too big even for the Lame Stream Media to ignore. This is likely going to get messy. "Some of (us) are going to die, martyrs, of course, to the freedom that (we) shall provide!" – Genesis / peter gabriel
Nobody wants violence - especially the oligarchy - but we're beyond the point of playing nice. Nice is something we used to play while they were sticking it up our ass. Them days must be over, or we are. It's time to flash the "No!" signs even at the very local level.
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Thank you for proving my point beyond any doubt at all.
And you were correct then. And even more so now. Once someone has more power than his fellows, only that person's opinions matter. There is no "hold their feet to the fire".
This is an occupational hazard with all forms of human governance. Once someone becomes the boss, they're the boss -- with all that entails for good or ill.
Which is why we need to figure out how to have no more bosses anywhere. Fast.
Therefore, my point is proven. Beyond any doubt whatsoever. Anything bad that was true when Killary ran the country via Bubba is far more true today.
We are only to blame if we actually have the power to stop these things. And that means reliably, on demand. We either have it or we don't. As Yoda pointed out so cogently, "There is no 'try'."
The fact is and remains: we don't. The fact is and remains: once the vote is meaningless, we're blameless -- and totally fucked.
And the vote has officially become meaningless.
As for civil disobedience? That's a complete and total failure too. The only thing it accomplishes nowadays is to fill our private prisons with more paid customers and/or to fill the coffers of our enemies with the few coppers they had yet to wring from us. It works no better than anything else I mentioned.
If we ordinary Serfs are to be blamed for the crap we know to be happening, we need to actually have the power to change it. And I don't mean "try" or "maybe, possibly, someday, later" like the East Germans, either. Human-caused climate changes have deprived us of those bourgeois luxuries. It's now or never, for all the marbles. Bottom of the tenth inning, tie score, two outs, bases loaded, full count.
So either describe a means we ordinary hourly wage-earning types can force these changes to happen, reliably, now, or stop the guilt and shame mongering against those who in fact bear no blame at all. Including and especially yourself, wink!
Those are the only choices available; this is no place for gray-area "thinking", the last best refuge of the pseudo-educated liar and scoundrel. And you, wink, are neither pseudo-educated, nor liar, nor scoundrel.
"We" didn't "let" this happen. And it wasn't done by us, either. Those with the wealth and power to do so did this to us.
It really is that simple. Much to our hurt, and that of all humanity, and to the Planet we live on.
As I said before, it's time to disabuse ourselves of certain illusions. The illusion of popular control over the government of the USA is one of these illusions.
We just might be able to take the control we're supposed to always have had, if the climate doesn't remove us from the scene first. But the first step to doing that is to recognize facts as facts. And the first and most important of these facts is: we are not now, and never have been, in control of this government. "Government of the people, by the people, and for the people" cannot perish from the Earth because it has never existed, and especially it has never existed here. At best, it was always government over the people by and for the rich and powerful, with crumbs for the people to maintain the illusion that they matter at all. And even that's mostly gone now, with the side effect that thinking Americans are discarding the illusion -- as well they should.
So, although we are involved in a noble fight to create what always should have been, we are not to blame for the fact that it never has been. Nor are we to blame when any given attempt (or group of them) fails.
We're just in a rather nasty fix, through no fault of our own, because of the schedule foreshortening driven by the climate. That's all.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It ain't that simple.
But, one thing we lacked 20 years ago - and still lack today (only more so) - is an adversary press. Without which, you're right, we're fucked. Fucked back then, fucked now. With an adversary press we could have shamed Mr. Newt and his Contract on America to the point of making that fucktard powerless. Maybe a stretch, but his Contract would have died on the Floor, or substantially weakened. Politicians once feared the press. A negative article could cost them reelection.
There was Dem leadership at the local level that could have asked themselves, "wait a second... "
Apparently none did. I walked away from the -ahem- "Dem Leadership" here in my district becuz they were more interested in attending parties and functions than getting local talent elected. Granted, the Repubs own this district, but when I heard the "Leadership" say, "Wink, we need to play along to get along... those Repubs frequent our businesses... " that was it for me. Out the door I went. And, on the rare ocassion I attend a function, drinks are practically dropped as I waltz thru the door. "psssst, he's here, he's in the room... " Jeebus. Working stiff going to shake up their party. [rolls eyes]
So, yeah, where was that local leadership when Mr. Newt bandied his Contract on America? Where was any Dem leadership when the GOP ran roughshod over the Dem party on issue after issue without nary a "whoa... stop it right there." And, when Dem presidents played along to get along?
When elected Dems fail to say whoa, that leaves it up to The People to say whoa. And, yes, you're right, without the tools - an adversary press for one - we can beller whoa all we want, only to fall on deaf ears. Hillary the very embodiment of fuck the little people. "I hear you! We hear you!" right... I decided to walk away from our local -ahem- "Leadership" becuz they showed none. And, maybe that should have been a clue as to the makeup of our Capitol Hill leadership. I thought it was just here, but when I asked about the other "Locals" in my district (which is huge - the size of Mass and Conn combined) many said the same thing. "All about the pizza and beer, Wink." When the leadership fails it's up to The People. the little people. Or should be. We little peopl have even less power than we did 20 years ago. I was 20 years younger and had a Whole Lot more money back then. New car, nice condo... I was far from alone. Many of us had those things and more. 40-something Boomers having the world by the short hairs. Well, maybe not That well off, but living pretty good. Charlie, how ya doin? I'm doin' pretty good! Yeah, me, too. Meanwhile, Mr. Newt out to destroy the little people, and we're sitting there watching him do it. No worries, I'm not a little people, Newt won't bother me. Besides... gotta toss those Repubs a bone now and then. Dems run NY State, not going to bother us. Twenty years later we're staring Walking Dead in the face (without walkers, hopefully). I find it amazing that we find ourselves here. Mind blowing. And I keep thinking, if we had just stopped Newt in his tracks... if we had just said no to school vouchers... if... if...
And, maybe Newt and the Repub majority would have just flipped off the 100,000 of us protesters on Capitol Hill with a fuck you little people, as did the Wall Street traders to Occupy occupiers. "Have some caviar... " 100,000, 900,000, maybe it wouldn't matter the crowd size, maybe there wasn't a damn thing we could do in Newt's '90s. Or now. But, I can't believe I sat around and watched then, comfy in my condo or not, we didn't even bother to try.
Freedom can only exist with a free adversarial press. Since we no longer have that it's long past time we shame them. As one of "my" customers said recently, "there is no shame these days." Well, it's time we brought it back. If politicians can't be shamed maybe we can shame the NY Times, WaPo, and whoever remains a cheerleader for the oligarchy. I will not sit around and watch. Which begs the question, where are the thousands of white privileged at Standing Rock? Sitting home watching it on the teevee. "Hun, check this out... those injuns still hanging in there!" right.
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Some of us did try. I'm one of them.
Some of us did try. I'm one of them. I did a bit of almost everything short of violence. And although I was never arrested, I paid a serious price: I've lived an entire adult life without ever knowing prosperity or security. The jobs I could land never paid enough for me to have a real middle-class life. Instead, I was lucky to be able to keep a roof over my head for a very few years without imposing on relatives.
The main reason for this: I have social and familial needs which require me to live where I do, Colorado Springs, Colorado. And my resistance to this country's war footing (and the fact that I'm a military reject because non-athlete) means that I can't get any military based (secret or better) security clearance. Even if I could get it in name, the dossier of activism against war that would be compiled on me precludes any employment demanding the clearance; military contractors want "good little boys" who embraced our forever war footing, not folks like me who resisted it. (In other words, perfect candidates for our enemies' spies.) And, like it or not, military vendor jobs demanding high clearances are where all the real money is around here.
I had a friend once who wanted to play the security clearance game and land herself some of those overpaid war-footing jobs. She informed me that she listed me as someone in her life, as the process and Federal Law require. I advised her that if she actually wanted to get the clearance, she should follow the Grateful Dead's advice and:
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So, we may be dealing with some bias here on my part. Do also please remember that I'm arguing in favor of universal Serf exoneration here, yourself included, because even when folks like me did try, it had no effect whatsoever -- because we were Serfs.
And, as you so rightly state, because we had no remaining adversarial press to back us up. Here, again, my tastes in reading matter work against my getting any of the real money around here; I was well-known in high school for reading the very adversarial press.
Bottom line of this conversation, wink: Please don't be too hard on yourself, or on any of your fellow Serfs. Let's just see how we can get ourselves out of this nasty fix we find ourselves in. At least right now, Internet technologies afford us what little adversarial journalism most of us can get. If we do nothing else -- and this describes my semi-bedridden self altogether too well these days -- let's keep doing that! And add to that whatever additional resistances to Evil we can.
Peace and love to you, kind and honest colleague!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
There is plenty of blame to go around.
After all, we somehow convinced ourselves that more and better would work. And we tolerated 'pragmatism' and corruption over the years well before Kos came along instead of facing reality that the party was being taken over.
And we're also naturally a bit more tolerant, so dems who weren't dems were tolerated instead of booted.
dfarrah
That's not what happened in the 80's
Nor did it happen after 2004.
We also didn't have
Militarized police attacking Native American tribes over Oil Companies poisoning our water, WikiLeaks, and the gobsmacking scope of the corruption being revealed, along with the heightened environmental crisis that our government is making money off of. Real life issues that Millennials are acutely aware of. When I was in my 20's in the Reagan era, most of my contemporaries thought Gordon Gecco was a role model.
Times have indeed changed.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
militarized police
Oh, yes we did!
"Wounded Knee" ring any bells?
We have never not had militarized police attacking Native American tribes! The only change, ever, was in 1890: before then, it was the actual US Military doing the attacking; thereafter, our Milice.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
In the 80s? Not comparable.
The DLC incorporated in 1985 and ran Bubba as the first DLC Presidential hopeful in 1992. His election, and, even more, his re-election, was the perceived sea change in US politics that caused Democrats to stampede to the right.
In 2004, we had a war-time incumbent, never voted out in all US history. At that, he won the popular vote by a razor-thin margin. (I posit that 2004 was before most in the US grokked that we were in eternal war mode. Whether a majority of voters know that today, I have no idea. If they don't know war is the new normal, that will definitely get Hillary are second term, not matter what. Not necessarily Donald, though, because the PTB of his own Party are appalled by him.)
Also, I don't think youth was as aware in 2004 as millennials are today. I wasn't. I waited on line for hours to vote for Kerry, without a thought to his Iraq war vote or his millions or his membership in the Senate New Democrat Caucus. Videos of him speaking out against Vietnam and throwing away his
medalsribbons were all I knew. I thought he was still a flaming liberal. I thought Obama was liberal, too. I still think he was more liberal than Hillary, but I know now that is saying so very little.However, I don't see failures of voters the past, whatever they may or may not have been, as a reason to ensconce in the Oval Office the most Republican Democrat who has ever run for President.
LOTE turns out to be a tough question.
As I told them at TOP, you really don't want to sell me LETV voting. You won't like the answer.
I voted for Stein and they can just lump it. Lucky I didn't pull the lever for Trump.
I have left their Party and won't be back. And they have said good riddance.
"He's gone." - Brazil
stein - baraka
2016
“He’s gone,” say the “supportive” boss and the chum from school,
after having tortured Sam beyond the brink of madness and destroyed his mind.
Sam’s fate is not unlike how many people will feel this year, as they stagger out of the voting booth.
If Hillary wins, we risk a lot more than everyone tuning out
We risk WW III and the end of life on earth, in short order. Imagine life in Somalia, only here, with winters, maybe Nuclear Winter - if we're lucky. The US and NATO are already moving troops and armaments up to Russia's borders now, and talking about "strategic" nukes. More of a big deal than the future of The Party. Future?
See any way that ends well?
People giving up is always a danger
But that could happen if Trump wins and fails.
The only difference is who gets discredited.
I Really Don't Care Who Wins. It is Beyond Me, Out of My Hands
I'm not enthused about a Hillary win because it will mean 4 years of this continued slide to be replaced with a "moderate" Republican to counter 12 years of Democratic/Socialist economic failure. Perhaps a nativist populist who doesn't come with Drumpf's baggage, but a Republican will come in to "fix" all the problems the "liberal Socialists" created.
What a load of shit!
8 years will be wasted, at least, and we're going to slide further Right, perhaps much further Right.
But, as I said, that's out of my control. I control my vote and my voice and I will use that to support Jill Stein in the short term and to counter corporate sponsored public policy in the long term.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Well said.
We, the people, are screwed no matter which of these two detestable candidates "wins." Who knows, the country might finally say "enough" after four years. It might be the opportune time for a third party win.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
From all that I'm reading, if DT wins, Ryan
likely will step down as Speaker.
If FSC wins, he may manage to salvage his Speakership.
In other words, if DT wins, they're assuming that Ryan will face blowback from quite a number of House Republican Representatives, and/or that the Freedom Caucus faction will threaten to throw him out; so, there's a good possibility that he'll resign.
It's also being floated that Ryan and Kevin Brady might trade positions--if that's possible/doable. Brady replaced Ryan as Ways And Means Committee Chair.
A XM Radio host/reporters have reported that Clinton staffers began tentatively negotiating various deals with Republicans, late this summer. AP Reporter Werner was asked point blank about it, and tried to dodge the question--but, refused to refute it.
We're probably cooked, either way. But if FSC wins, Ryan will likely be empowered, and eager to 'negotiate' with FSC; and, he's totally on-the-record for slashing so-called entitlements. So, whatever happens, I fervently hope that Ryan is forced out of the Speakership.
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And Bubba is on record offering to help Ryan with
"entitlements." Another "Dang, when I was yapping, I wasn't aware that mike was hot and that sensitive" moment in US politics. We could use many more of them.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/paul-ryan-and-bill-clinton-chat-backstag...
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I disagree
I say Hillary would be worse. Why? Because she would split the "left wing" opposition to the bad "right wing" policies she supports, simply because she would be the "left wing" president. That's what happened with Bill. He enacted the policies that the democrats were once opposing when Bush was in office. Obama enacted the right wing health plan that GW Bush wasn't able to get through the democrats. It happens every time. And when it's the opposite? We end up with left wing policies getting through, because the reverse is also true: the right wing opposition to left wing policies becomes split when a right wing president is in office.
Plus, the republican voters have how many decades of anti-clinton despair built up? I bet that would manifest in the form of a tidal wave of republican support for the house and senate in 2018 with Hillary in office. And she won't be discredited among the democrats who are supporting her. If (when) the economy fails, all the blame will be right on the republicans, further driving republican fervor to defeat the "evil democrats that blame them for the failures of the democratic party."
We need to end this cycle of death and despair brought about by voting for the duopoly. We need to start building a 3rd party option last year.
Look what happened to the GOP under Dubya
Winning two elections has divided the GOP.
Now they all admit that invading Iraq was wrong and the wealthy elites aren't on their side.
Meanwhile, 2 terms of "left wing" president Obama has begun splitting the Dems.
Just wait for a recession and a lost war.
But two terms of Obama
helped re-unify the GOP, to an extent. Whatever their differences that split them during GW, they unified against what they decided was a force that needed opposing, resulting in extreme gridlock. With an HRC presidency, all fracturing done by Trump's campaign ends, and the extreme hatred and distrust of HRC will just spur them to unify yet again. And the result would be the same as we've had for the past 8 years: right wing legislation getting through congress, while good left wing legislation is kept in check.
I beg to differ
Have you looked at the GOP recently?
Lately has to do with Trump, not with Obama's two terms.
As you know, the GOP did manage to unify against Obama sufficiently to block almost everything he attempted after the 2010 mid terms. Trump's nomination divided them about Trump, which has nothing to do with Obama's two terms.
Yes, I have
They're fracturing because their current prominent mouth piece is Trump. How were they before Trump was nominated? Pretty damn unified. They didn't accomplish 8 years of legislative gridlock by fighting with each other. And they're already overcoming the fracturing caused by Trump, formulating plans against HRC, because they feel that she will be the winner.
I too prefer that Stein win.
Next preference? I would say Her because she's slightly better on social issues. But the differences are so slight that I don't feel I must vote for either mainstream candidate.
Who will be effective? How will people react? I think it's impossible to predict.
I know how I react: We must either put heart and soul into a winning third party, or take over the Dem party. Starting Nov. 9. No half measures. No waiting for the Presidential race. Every district, every town, every city, every state, every federal race. Take it all over. We have 4 years to create something significantly better.
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Party insurgents would have to borrow a page from the Alt-Right
We (a very hypothetical “we”) would need a shorthand like “cuckservative” for the people we supported for years until realizing they, and only they, were the ones selling our causes out and us down the river.
We would need to get used to being impolite, politically incorrect, sometimes downright offensive — some people loosely tagged Alt-Right actually have the chutzpah to try to rehabilitate national socialism, if only “for the lulz” — and, through it all, serenely indifferent to whatever names we would be called — by national leaders, media, pundits, and former allies and friends.
Who here is ready to do those things? I’m not sure would-be Left and/or Democratic party insurgents have quite reached that level of frustration yet.
I've taken to calling them "Blackcoats."
Why Blackcoats? Combination of the fancy black suits the rich/establishment wear to their parties, a reference to the Redcoats.
It's the system that needs to break
regardless of who is our next leader. I agree a recession is in the cards
so if her heinous is in we next get a trump on steroids, while if it happens under trump we get ???? in 4 years, I'll take my chances with ???? cause
the biggest domestic fear I have is clinton declares martial law then all bets would be off
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Yeah, everybody calls
Trump a fascist, apparently too stupid to see the creeping fascism that already exists and already in use by dems and repubs.
dfarrah
Republicans & Democrats Are Completely Binary, Us vs Them.
Really quite scary in terms of neofascism, IMO. In the long term, my money is Hillary & the Money Men.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Yep, we can't accuse her heinous
of being fascist when she call trump a fascist. We are pretty much already there a corporate fascist entity. As dubya said the constitution is only a peice of paper.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
No matter what Bernie thinks
If the Clintons are in charge of the Democratic party for the next 4 or 8 years it will become corrupt beyond redemption. I'm hoping the Green Party gets it's 5% to get on the ballot and federal funding because I think it stands a good chance of becoming the party that everybody looks to for the needed change.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Too late
We are already there.
Yes, we are. So why
would you want its sleazy poster child to WIN?
WTF, gjohnsit? All of this makes zero sense, coming from your byline here.
Because too few democratic voters see the reality
It has to be shoved under their noses so they can't avoid smelling the stench of failure.
Only then will they vote for change.
Green Party
IMHO the Green Party is a lost cause. I've twice been registered Green in two different states. There is no organization--local, state or national--and I haven't seen any credible attempts to create one. Right now I am supporting DFA and Our Revolution, as well as the few Democratic candidates I believe are an improvement over what we now have. If Trump wins, we'll be twigs in a flood. If Hillary wins, both parties will be so divided she will need progressives to govern. We need to use whatever leverage we have. Supporting a party going nowhere isn't going to do it.
They need members, funding, and 5%
Please don't give up on them now, they've never been so close to breaking into the mainstream (or, if you prefer, breaking into the "Forced Viability of America's Political Party Routines".
The Green Party needs all the help they can get. They get to 5%, there will be a lot more downticket candidates next time.
There seems to be a sense of purpose now.
I like the push on ranked choice voting, for example.
Baraka could be a key to the puzzle- Greens are viewed as silly white hippies by many.
Who knows, but the alternatives are flee or despair. All in for Green.
the time is now.
stein - baraka
2016
Well said LC!
Stein all the way to 5+%! I know it doesn't get my preferred candidate into the WH- but I'd lose years of sleep by the time I die if I vote for one of those 2 steaming piles! Green Party is so close! Bernie activated so many and I hope there are enough left to get them over the hump!
There will be gridlock except where the interests of the 1%
are concerned. Then they'll get things passed so fast it'll make your head spin. And she will sign what they pass. She may try the occasional veto, but I wouldn't count on it.
We are so screwed.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
"That makes it harder for Hillary to push through
Her awful legislation"
Hardly, since what she wants to do are republican things.
She's political poison
No one will want to be associated with her.
No one on the Right
Will support her war profiteering? Her big tax break to Wall Street? Her push to increase fracking sites and pipelines? Her "reaching across the aisle in a bi- partisan effort" to make cuts to SS in an "effort to save it"
Surely you jest?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Seriously
I don't know how that's not completely obvious.
To an extent, yes
They will have to be careful not being labelled a "Clinton associate" or it will be used against them in the next election.
I don't think people here realize just how unpopular Hillary is about to be.
Deciding between Hilly and Donny...
is a little bit like trying to decide whether I would prefer to sprinkle arsenic or strychnine on my cereal in the morning. I find it very difficult to develop any strong preference for one or the other.
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Least worse outcome
I think it's safe to say that the 2016 election has completely discredited our political system no matter who wins especially if some electoral votes go to the 3rd parties.
Having Clinton squeak by is probably the best we can reasonably expect. Four years of domestic gridlock is going to be problematic especially since that may also stall any progress on global warming. The downside to this scenario is that when President's are blocked at home, they tend to trhow their energies into foreign affairs which lately has meant hot and cold wars plus shoring up brutal dictators.
The big question is where do things go in 2020? If Clinton fails spectacularly, will she still try to get a second term which could help resurrect the mortally wounded GOP while finishing off the Democrats? Clinton could declare victory and go home by citing an unspecified health problem rather than risk a nasty primary or general election loss.
Least worst to me is forcing the Elite to show their hand
because neither of the Awfuls gains 270 electoral votes, and the chosen pawn has to be installed in some totally extra-legal manner. I don't think They will wait for the House of Representatives, if the House even wants anything to do with that kind of "really hard work". They will come up with something, it will be overtly corrupt/fraudulent, and all the shit-stained laundry will be out in public.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
see, i find
jimmy dore's argument fairly compelling, and it goes something like this, with some of my own additions:
1) a trump presidency will mean the permanent marginalization of the republican party. this is why the worst of the worst are flocking towards clinton: negraponte, hw bush, kissinger. possibly w bush. the "populist" wave electing trump is the ultimate rejection of the do-nothing pseudocons that have run the show from congress for the past 6 years.
2) trump will be a single-term president followed by a left(er) wing democrat. there's no way a trump presidency is going to go well enough for a second term, because he's a) a moron, and b) lost the support of his party (see above)
3) a trump administration will be a mike pence administration, and nobody but the christiancon fringe likes pence. the guy's a sell-out, anti-lgbt dick. that's why trump chose him, and it wasn't one of trump's best moments. he might have been better going after sam brownback.
4) if clinton is elected, the democrats win, invigorating the republican base and bringing the party back from the brink.
5) if clinton is elected she will likely be impeached, making her both a huge win for republican morale and a center-right martyr for the neodems to rally around. see "bill clinton".
6) if clinton is elected and impeached we're left with tim kaine, a christian conservative republican president, a democrat, which will only force the right wing farther rightward in order to distinguish themselves further as conservative. then, they give us a mix of romney and cheney in four years.
meanwhile, the dems will rally behind the christian conservative republican president that calls himself a democrat, forcing the dems to the right. this ends with reelecting kaine in four years and the relegation of the occupy/progressive left to the fringe.
now, i've already voted for stein, because i've decided i'd like to see both houses burn. i get that my vote might help usher trump into the white house, and the resulting end of the ultra-right and remixing of the two party system is worth the risk to me. i can understand why it might not be for many folks. at one point, i felt the same way about this race, be pragmatic, etc.
but, i think the ultimate pragmatism here is a) getting the greens on ballots/in debates in 2020, and b) laughing while the republican party drowns in a lake of shit of it's own making. the thought makes me smile.
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Nicely presented
I half hope/half fear that you and Jimmy Dore are right on all points. And it may indeed be possible to block the stupider stuff Trump tries to do with immense public pressure - something largely lacking in the Clinton/Obama years (with hat tip to the OWS exception).
And it *may* also be that Trump's heating up of the racist discourse does not have the same effect now as it has in American politics over the past century and a half. We are not the white majority country we once were, and I just don't think most of that will fly in our multicultural urban spaces. But I do worry about more rural (and 'white') parts of the country.
thanks.
i really hope that trump's playing to the xenophobes doesn't ramp anything up either. the state of race relations in the US right now is shite as it is.
racism is scary to me, having grown up in the south. i've seen some hateful stuff. i don't understand how any presidential candidate is going to do anything about it, though. the idea of trying to legislate such a thing leads to some pretty twisted thought policing, and i don't want to live there either.
part of me says we all just need to shut the hell up about race. stop using it as a cudgel, stop using it for political points... just fucking stop. we're dragging the discourse into the past. i have to believe that, especially with the presence of nationwide connectivity and worldwide social media, our children and their children are being indoctrinated into a much more globalist society, one in which negative talk of race and racism is becoming anachronistic... so it's me, people like me and people older than me making it a social issue that is actually perpetuating it.
because a lot of racists are dying off, a lot more than we're creating. i welcome melting-pot integration, and, frankly, whites being at least equal in population to any other race, or multiple races, here in the states. after a generation or so it's going to end a lot of grief for a lot of people.
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If it leads to whites becoming passive in the face of crimes
against them, though — accepting it as somehow just and proper, with historical oppression as an excuse — or even just shrugging it off as an inevitable part of city life — I’d have to say, I don’t want that. I’d really rather things not go that route.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/white-philly/
Also, some people say that, in spite of Hawaii’s vaunted reputation for racial harmony and, yes, “melting-pot integration,” whites in Hawaii are discriminated against and subject to physical attacks — and that local attitudes expect them to lie down and take it, because history.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/hawaii-...
I disagree
The Democrats will embrace anyone who could beat Trump in 2020. Including a Wall Street insider.
Clinton might unify the GOP . . .
but I think that both major parties are under a lot of stress right now due to the distance between what major party donors want and what the party bases want.
Tim Kaine might actually be better than Clinton on foreign policy -- he's not as hawkish. He would be much closer to Obama in that area. On economic policy he and Clinton are in much greater alignment. He is a lot like Clinton minus some of the baggage.
The bigger issue is that he has no charisma, and a very small existing base of support (mostly among party donors, and some within local politics in Virginia). Clinton may face challenges with the FBI and the Clinton foundation, but I think impeachment is very unlikely. Dems have a decent chance to win the Senate back, which would foreclose on any impeachment chance in the next two years. And if the GOP wins back the Senate after the mid-terms, they will almost certainly welcome the chance of facing a Clinton re-election bid. Impeachment as a removal tactic, tends to incite the base, but it also tends to create a backlash if it is seen as a partisan exercise.
I just don't care
Either will be awful just in different ways. At this point both parties are pretty much in the political dumpster and frankly if we can keep them there and put a chain and nice solid padlelock on the lid I am all for it. This gives Trump the upper hand somewhat to me. If Hillary is elected they will have their hatred of her to rally the troops. But whatever will be will be.
if Trump wins
Then everything that goes wrong will be because we didn't elect Hillary
They're already using that guilt angle, in advance.
I've heard both President and Mrs. Obama imply that if Hillary isn't elected, it's on us. The way I see it,
I don't owe Hillary Clinton Jack Shit, or the Democratic Party either.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
That's both true and irrelevant
The point is that when things go to sh*t under President Trump they have an excuse that doesn't involve real change.
That doesn't work under President Hillary
But
why should we assume that if things go to shit under Hillary, Hillary and her neo-liberal supporters will get the carefully targeted blame. Given her rhetoric it will be easy to paint her failure as a failure of liberalism. Remember how Obama's "stimulus" that seemed calculated to bail out the banks and go no further was used to discredit Keynesianism?
In fact I can envision Hillary's retreat from liberalism to fiscal responsibility in operation from day one. Bill's probably already talking to Ryan about privatizing social security.
It always happens
The executive takes the blame for recessions and losing wars
hmmm...
You know that makes sense to me. Her popularity is undeserved- it was bestowed upon her by the Owners.
They could shield her from blame. Just spin away. Turn it around and go on the attack. Reframe the question relentlessly with a lot of cash behind them. They would probably cut a deal with the Republicans. They might have her abdicate - pass the baton to Caine. But they will remain in charge, and our ship goes down.
In fact, why isn't she facing charges right now? You could ask that question about a bunch of Party ops.
Amazing that she was the best they could get.
good one. thx
stein - baraka
2016
I know this is really shallow and stupid
but the only reason I am resigned to a Hiillary win (and she will win by hook or by crook) is so I can tell all my friends I told you!
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Aren't you concerned about preserving his "legacy"?
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Didn't they already tell us that, in advance?
Isn't that why we were exiled from TOS?
They did, and it is. We’re *already* exiled “to outer darkness,”
as far as the Hillary camp is concerned. That’s why they keep dropping by, hoping to witness our “wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-22-13/
Now, now . . .
we should think of them as evangelists offering us a last chance to repent.
I'll see them in hell.
I tried to delete my account earlier today-
It felt like trying to find a customer service number for AT&T. Can anyone tell how to do that? I just have missed the link/button to do so...I did so in response to the BS article about Jill Stein/Green party being racist and endorsing trump. Just, done with their shit and not going back. It was the first time I visited in months, gawd it reeks!
You can't delete your account there
Not possible.
I used to try to explain that on the help desk, using their excuse of making the database unstable, and compromising its integrity (which, if done enough is actually somewhat true.) Plus, imagine a comment thread with missing comments throughout.
However, I now realize it's about the illusion of having more members than it actually has.
You can't delete your account at DailyKos. Sorry. You CAN delete (copy/transfer) your diaries, though, and never return. Be sure to log out before you turn off the lights.
Oh, wow, altar calls . . . “come to Hillary” moments . . . n/t
I gnashed my teeth just the other day
But I got over it.
They will twist it
However it suits them to fit their narrative. Kind of like +1 vote equals a mandate. I voted for Jill Stein because I want no part of helping either one them get elected. It is a no win situation for the 99%.
It will be because they imposed
Hillary on a party that elected Bernie. The Clinton gang's loss and subsequent prosecution will break the grip of the DNC on the Democratic party and the left in general. The attempt to blame blacks or millennials for not turning out to sweep Hillary into power will suffer from the same lack of credibility that caused the loss in the first place.
well I voted so I don't care any more
really. This election is so awful that it's painful to care. I voted to make it easier for the Greens to get federal money. Whoop-de-doo. So what if they get it? What would that do? I suspect not a thing. Still, that's how I voted.
The main difference that I can see between Hills and Obama '08 is that many of us thought Obama would be ok until he became President and showed us who he is, while we already know Hills will be horrible.
Unless....unless this is the greatest 11th dimensional fakeout chess move ever and she's really a lefty who has done horrible things so she can win and will then double-cross all those neoliberals!
Ok...that entertained me for half a second. Where was I? We know Hills will be horrible and we know it now. We'll criticize her appointments (should she win) as they're being made. Like in early 2009...surely Obama had some good reason for having Rahm as chief of staff, right? Surely....well, no. Hillary won't have that withholding of our criticism. She won't care, though....should she win, I mean.
And Trump....I figure he'll be so bad that any current problems any of us have will become minor so that's good! Not enough money in your bank account? That's nothing! compared to ....well, whatever horror the 'bots think Trump will unleash.
Actually it works for both. What's no roof compared to WWIII? Or being homeless compared to WWIII? So Hillary would, in effect, end the problem of homelessness. She'll replace it with a lot of dead people and radioactivity that will soon create sickness and more death....but there should be plenty of empty houses for all.
I was just listening, via a You Tube video,
to an interview of the the late George Carlin. He said he had disengaged. He didn't sound disengaged when he did his schtick, but who am I to question the man's word about his own internal state? I am just glad I can listen to someone so brilliant.
demand real change
..... to get their heads out of their asses .....
I will, however, continue respirating until then; I recommend the rest of us do so as well.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'll survive Trump...
but I'm not sure any of us will survive Hillary.
She's itching for a big war, and God help us all if she gets it.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
We won't be able to survive HRC.
I'll try to vote for Jill Stein, got our stinking ballots.. but I am firm in the notion that we don't even have an election anyways.
It's all fraud all the time.
Right now i'm worried about Standing Rock and watching protesters being called terrorists and terrorists being found non-guilty.
This too big to jail and laws for thee but not for me bs is building up an entity in me that I'm not sure much more injustices. We haven't fought very well... so now we must all fight with all we have because soon we will have nothing to lose. Or nothing to fight for...
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Good essay thanks
Hard to say which would one be worse for long term consequences. I figure she's going to win and it's a done deal. I like the prospect of all of the Clinton's chickens coming home to roost. Various spooks seem to have there knickers in a twist about the crooked Clinton's playing fast and loose. Who knows why but there seems to be some major internecine ;power plays going on. The poodle DOJ which is largely a branch that covers the Banksters Clinton's and Obama's ass. Who knows but whatever it is I do believe it will intensify after the selection and coronation. Actually I could give a fuck who wins as we all lose including the planet that sustains us.
All this hysterical flailing around of the ruling class and the duopolies chroniclers, the so called press and media both right and so called left, makes me think that maybe America as empire and the only Supperdupper World Power will come to an end. Hope so. My big fantasy is that the USA, USA, USA busts up into bio-regions. I'm not a fan of the EU or any centralized global power. Does this mean I'm a racist, protectionist, anti-immigrant nationalist? Nah. Consolidated power and the Great Game they play is just too dangerous with the technology that on every level these fucks have access to.
Globalization under these circumstances is nothing anybody should call progress or inevitable. What a surreal election, what a nasty world these would be rulers of the world envision. A pox on both their houses here in the USA, USA, USA.and every where else globally that this latest onslaught of nasty killer hoards. They always declare they are inevitable be they Huns, Visigoths, Nazis, Transylvanian Impaler's, Pax Romana's, or the latest "great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money". Who cares who wins as at this point 'Were So Screwed-2016".
After this horror show I think people globally need to play it as it lays politically as these fucks are not inevitable. I have no attachment to the USA or it's evil agenda as it stands. America needs to go. Globalism needs to go. Democracy, now there is a good idea. Universal laws old ones that protect humans from this madness is another. Whatever happens I optimistically place my hope in both humanism and mother nature. This election is a insane farce considering what what humans and the earth all face.
Are you offering End of Empire as a prediction?
I'll toss a penny into that fountain.
I'm with you.
I'm hoping for a Great Unraveling that exposes as much of the corruption as possible. That works a lot better if the Rs are in control of DOJ, the House and the Senate. I would like to see a stake put through the heart of the Democratic Party and will do my little part by voting against every Democrat on the ballot.
Trump and the Republicans, along with the conditions that gjohnsit has alerted us to, will finish off the Republicans for us.
I'd like to hear from Pluto on this topic.
We know who the winner is, Goin South. If he lives that long.
Personally, I favor predictions and predictors who do not rely on polls. Polling data has never been more misinformed than it is in 2016, when lying to pollsters has become a global pastime. So far in this election cycle, the pollster-and-pundit-predictions have been wrong 100 percent of the time. All you need to do is look at their predictions right now — and you will know exactly who is not going to win the US Presidency.
The smartest guy in the room, Nate Silver, is nudging down his odds right this very minute. By Monday night, they will give Hillary a 50 percent chance of winning, which means Nate can't loose in a field of pollsters pegging her with a 90 percent or better chance of winning. Daily Kos has her at 97 percent (hahahaha!).
I'm sticking with historian and predictive technologist Allan Lichtman, who has never been wrong when it comes to predicting the winning President.
Just a three weeks ago, Professor Lichtman, who has his entire reputation to lose if he is wrong, switched his two-year-old prediction from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump. Lichtman, a Democrat, was forced to do so because a factor on his predictive model suddenly flipped from "false" to "true.". He must obey the model. What flipped was whether or not a third party would receive more than 5 percent of the vote.
One of my favorite prognosticators, Goose Bump the Chinese Monkey, confirmed Lichtman's decision this week.
In front of an audience of his fans, the perspicacious monkey declared Donald Trump the victor by jumping up and kissing him on the lips.
That works for me. I'm ready to discuss what happens on Wednesday any time you are.
PS: I'm predicting the Neocon-run Federal Government will respond with a propaganda onslaught, rivaling even the most frenzied Russian scare since America electrocuted Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Donald Trump doesn't give two shits about the Neocon war for Empire, or any wars the US has to pay for. He wants to make deals with the world and make America profitable.
There will be bitter Neoliberal/con tears.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
You're expecting the democratic party to be a vehicle for
major change if Hillary wins then fails? Good luck with that. The duopoly is a dead end, the democratic party is a dead end. There won't be any major changes coming from the people who support and vote for the democratic party.
They aren't going to all of a sudden elect more and better democrats because of how bad Hillary Clinton will be. Look how bad Obama was.
I'm not sure how Clinton will discredit this political system anymore than it already is. Congress' approval rating hit below ten percent a few years ago and lies around 15% now. Very few people have faith in this political system now, especially after getting served up Clinton and Trump.
What kind of "real change" to this political system are you suggesting?
PS thanks for the essay
just was talking about this with my husband... all I've been hearing lately, really.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
In order for us not to go to war
Hillary will have to turn her back on the MIC. In order for us to get decent, affordable, universal health care, Hillary will have to turn her back on the medical insurance and pharmaceutical industries. For us to deal realistically with climate change, Hillary will have to turn her back on the fossil fuel industry. For us to have a healthy press that reports the needed truth and not filtered propaganda, Hillary will have to turn her back on the giant media corporations. Those industries have given Hillary and her campaign billions of dollars. I think she will turn her back on us before she turns her back on them and because of that lack of foresight the planet will be in a lot worse shape when her Presidency is done. At least she acknowledges that climate change is real.
Beware the bullshit factories.
As a fracking supporter, pipeline warrior
and Big Oil, Big Ag, Big Finance, all around globalizing Looter tool she may acknowledge climate change but as she 'joked' a few years ago about the melting arctic, "the good news is we will be able to open new drilling fields". These people are psycho's they will not turn their backs on anything except human life and the planets survival and well being.
Scott Walker 2020
I'm going to go ahead and make the prediction right now: if Hillary Clinton is our next president, the Republicans will nominate Scott Walker in four years (after realizing they should have done it in the first place). Scott Walker, who is as ideological a Republican as there is. Scott Walker, who believes his mission in life is to break every union, to make anyone who punches a time clock helpless and poor. And he'll mop the floor with her.
We're entering a very dark period. And what's especially frustrating about it is that due to various political and demographic shifts underway in our country, the 20s were supposed to be "roaring" for the left. Instead, we'll be in exile. Although the one possible silver lining of a Clinton Restoration is that when we hit rock bottom and finally realize we've been had, the likelihood of a viable leftist third party emerging increases substantially (well, from none to slim.) If Trump wins that will never happen due to the way voters think. They'll just mobilize around whatever Democrat the media says can beat him, and we all know that will be Cory Booker.
Like I said, we're entering a very dark period.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky
I think that if Trump wins,
then that means the Senate stays Republican and we get a legislative agenda that makes Walker's Wisconsin makeover look leftist by comparison. Reproductive rights go away, so does most of things such as food stamps and other assistance. Then Social Security gets privatized. And right-to-work for the whole country. Green energy is bye bye. Health care is bye bye. So does any efforts that have been done to reduce carbon emissions. New subsidies for fossil fuel extraction -- especially coal. Huge military budgets, huge tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations, end of the estate tax also. Huge new deficits (always happens in a GOP admin).
And maybe Trump will use his armed white trash supporters to form little local patriot militias to identify Mexicans. They'll report them to the INS, they'll be arrested and shipped off to concentration camps to await deportation. And, of course, Muslims will not be allowed in for a while(?) or maybe just quietly forgotten.
And Trump will have the surveillance apparatus of the NSA, FBI, all those monsters and he will use them against the press and other detractors. Since the President still has the authority to name any citizen a enemy combatant, rabble rousers and leftists and loudmouths will disappear. The Supreme Court gets packed with a wingnut because the Senate refused to consider that conservative guy Obama appointed.
As a matter of fact, if Trump wins I will no longer be visiting political websites or offering my opinion on a public forum! Keep that head down. . .
[edit: the Germans making fun of us. Also, I forgot about national stop and frisk. A delightful country!]
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Please remember, no one
Please remember, no one voting for Trump to "blow up the system" really cares about women or Mexicans or Muslims.
No one ever cared about Chinese Americans — welcome to the club.
http://www.pbs.org/kqed/chinatown/resourceguide/story.html
Book from the University of Delaware Press:
Driven Out: The Forgotten War Against Chinese Americans
I’m not exactly pleased or proud that I have some bitter feelings in this direction, but it seems to be a matter of historical record that no other group in America has displayed solidarity with Chinese or Japanese Americans, ever.
Anyone voting for Medusa does not care about the "other"
Hell, the role model, Killary, only cares about herself. Look how she referred to her closest aide, Huma as "one of my staffers". Now that's loyalty for ya.
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