Interesting Claim: Podesta Leaks Are From Inside Washington

From ZeroHedge:

Former British Ambassador Claims Source Of Podesta Leaks "Comes From Within Washington"

With the media gripped by accusatory speculation regarding the identity of the source behind the Wikileaks leak of hacked Podesta and DNC emails, much of it focused on Russia, a new theory has emerged from Craig Murray, the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, who tells Sputnik (a Russian media outlet) that the source of the leaks are not Russian hackers but a Washington insider.

"The source of these emails and leaks has nothing to do with Russia at all. I discovered what the source was when I attended the Sam Adam's whistleblower award in Washington. The source of these emails comes from within official circles in Washington DC. You should look to Washington not to Moscow."

Asked about whether or not WikiLeaks have ever published information at the behest of Moscow, Murray said that "WikiLeaks has never published any material received from the Russian government or from any proxy of the Russian government. It's simply a completely untrue claim designed to divert attention from the content of the material."

They don't explain exactly how he comes to know this, unfortunately...

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I also think I read the claim by others.

When all institutions and institutional leaders have destroyed their credibility, it becomes as likely as not that Chelsea was spawned by aliens.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

becomes as likely as not that Chelsea was spawned by aliens

My question is cui bono. Wink

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ROFL

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Now I'm torn between Alien Spawn and Giant Meteor. How ever will I decide?

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I want a Pony!

Alien Spawn 2016

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Webb Hubbell :-)))))))
BTW, a picture is worth more than a thousand words...

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on the other hand, Podesta was the "victim" of a phishing email. But that does not preclude that there are several entities in possession of all of this.

Amazingly, they are all on gmail or yahoo and are expecting privacy.

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Never put anything on the 'net that you wouldn't want published on the front page of the New York Times...

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The spooks tend to think that Hillary is a loose cannon in any number of ways. I've heard from people who work on the edges of that industry that the covert guys really, really don't like her.

It's plausible to me, because she is careless, reckless, inconsiderate of rules and regs, and uncaring of what consequences her behavior might entail for other people's plans.

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Its real possible.

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FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

This story's almost 3 weeks old, but it's been lost in the media sh*tstorm, since it first appeared over at McClatchy (whose political reporting is among the best-vetted I've read in this country, for years now). So, does Anonymous have people inside the Beltway? I'm pretty certain that's a given, as well.

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Anything the media is "uncovering". Hasn't the history of whistleblowing always led to someone on the inside who grew a conscious. Amazing how that works, eh? The conscience?

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Was actually supported (founded?) by some alphabet agency so it could be insiders who have access to Anonymous.

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it was always meant to be, "The emails are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!!

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

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That line is known by 15 year-olds, or not. I don't know any 15 y/o's. Joke's on them.

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When A Stranger Calls. My dad took me to that movie when I was a kid and then he called me up later and asked if I checked the children ( I knew he was joking ).

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social media challenged I would have figured out how to do it myself. Thanks for coming to the rescue.

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craig is a very interesting and controversial guy. ten years ago he was driven out of the UK foreign service because he wouldn't shut up about british complicity in the torture of "suspected islamists" by the uzbeki government.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

to have given the information to the Washington Post that brought down Richard Nixon.

So, it is not unprecedented for the FBI is use the media to protect the bureau and its agents. Since the FBI has suffered adverse publicity over the handling of the Clinton investigations, it is not beyond the realm of what is believable to have this information come from someone in the bureau. After all, there are reports Special Agents have resigned over having their hands tied in these investigations so the motive and means are there.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

but that wasn't revealed for a very long time.

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Of leaks by undisclosed sources should Comey fail his duty.

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And anyone who claims otherwise is deluded or has an agenda, such as the Democrats who cannot stop with the red-baiting no matter how ridiculous it looks.

Frankly, I don't care who is doing it. I care about the content of what has been revealed in the leaks, and that is what everyone on the media is doing their best to distract us from.

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wouldn't good first response would be to say "all fake"? But months have gone by, and nothing but blame. I am no PR person, but the lack of "fake, fabricated" says volumes. Damage control too late. BleachBit was not enough.

And now Obama is saying essentially "noting to see here".

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I've always concluded, re:leaked emails, that given an organization of adequate population, somewhere someone will have the honesty and integrity to do the right thing.

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this year... My store is running quite low.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

someone murdered him?

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Biggrin

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Who's on first? Wink

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No, Huma's on third.

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I love being on a site with so many smart, clever, funny, skeptical, funny people.

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that there is any shared genetic material between Marc and Seth. Perhaps I've missed something...

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In the first video he released yesterday, Dr. Pieczenik announces that he along with a broad coalition of many individuals in the FBI, the CIA, military intelligence, and men and women in 15 other intelligence organizations are engaging in a bloodless counter-coup against the “soft coup” that he says the Clintons, the current administration and many other top government officials have enacted against the American people via corruption and co-optation through the Clinton Foundation.

OK. OK. I know this guy is a right-wing fruitcake, but who is not to say that the counter-coup against one set of right-wing nutballs isn't being led by another group of right-wing nutballs? In fact, that sounds just like the old days in Bolivia (and yes we do grow bananas).

http://www.inquisitr.com/3668815/former-state-department-official-steve-...

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From the Light House.

Watched both of the videos referenced in the Inquisitr article. So much craziness going on atm, it is hard to glean what is true, and what isn't.

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I know! Its insane and I don't understand why everyone isn't flocking to Stein and Johnson. I posted the above because of the coup/counter-coup idea. It rings a bell from my ownBolivia and surrounding countries.

I hate sex scandals and generally don't pay any attention. The teenage sex scandal mentioned in this article has another source (s) (I have to find it again) which purportedly comes from the Chief of the NYPD and 14 NYPD investigators . I am not going to post it, for the same reason I never posted about Trump grabbing pussy. It is, until we get a verifiable source, just part of the political propaganda. Pure mind fuck.

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From the Light House.

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I love your new? sig line. I want a ten foot high husband so I can clean the gutters and prune back the fruit trees.

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the rabbit hole, myself. I've been to the source(s). The "Life Insurance" folder is bad, but evidently the real damning stuff was in the "Intimate" folder. This, if true, is absolutely mind boggling.

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Some of us have not scrambled down that particular folder/hole...

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of a trad media shutout of any discussion of third party candidiates (see, e.g., debates) and lack of money to advertise.

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That the power structure has broken down into opposing factions and is now waging a "war" with each other. What is hard to believe is his claim that it was his cabal of "Revolutionaries" who where the ones who supplied Assange with the leaks.

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in US intelligence provided information to Assange.

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That someone within the U.S. Intelligence provided Assange with the info. What I find hard to believe is that Mr. Pieczniek knows who it is and is "collectively" taking credit for it.

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It's very believable, Assange and wikileaks has been very careful to review content before its posted and they remove anything that would endanger lives within ongoing operations. The intelligence community is appreciative at the certain sort of restrain wikileaks does have. And as far as I know their review process has kept them from mistakenly becoming part of a counter intelligence operation, which likely imparts a bit of respect for them from the intelligence community as well.

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and I wonder if it is possible. We have read that after Comey let Clinton off the hook, agents in the FBI were furious and many tendered their resignations. There was definitely a mutiny in the FBI. Also Comey's own wife was furious with him. I have been wondering all along about the complete lack of any information coming from the intelligence community regarding the source of the leaks. Either the intelligence community is very incompetent or they are opting to put a lot of distance between themselves and these leaks.

The thing is that once the DoJ failed to prosecute the banksters, the DoJ was compromised. The fact that Obama did nothing after Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton met on the tarmac speaks volumes. Obama is a big part of this corruption. He knew of it and that was proven when the FBI announced that he had communicated with Hillary on her private server while using a pseudonym.

Along that same vein I have been thinking more and more about the emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer. Remember Huma could not explain how they got there? I thought she was lying, but just maybe she was actually telling the truth. I am beginning to think that Weiner stole them. Those emails were in a file marked "life insurance." My theory is that Weiner stole them as insurance in case he got caught again sexting. Then he could trade them for leniency.

The thing is that there is no logical motive for Russia to have stolen the DNC or Podesta's emails. Both systems were extremely porous and anyone could have taken them or more likely, someone from inside. I still believe that even within a corrupt organization, there are people who suddenly realize just how bad it is and feel the need to expose that corruption.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Several have the motive: Wikileaks, Anon; Weiner; Special Agents of the FBI and retired agents. Who has means? I don't know enough about computing to know the resources of Wiki but they appear to be substantial. Since the Obama administration is absolutely obsessed with leakers, it seems, and has persecuted them, I would say Wiki has a pretty good motive.

Weiner seems a stretch but he's a smart guy and apparently has access and a motive: self preservation.

The FBI special agents have all of the above. Their motive being the generations of letting Israel run amok in spying in the USA; using the bureau as a means of coverup in various affairs which demeans the work of the bureau; and having the FBI Director dictate the parameters of agents' investigations in what the higher-ups call a politically sensitive area.

The FBI has the history of doing this but past performance means little when it comes to the present.

I would say pick the one you think best and thank Wikleaks and Anon for having the expertise and contacts to make this vital information available.

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Initially she said she used it rarely and then it changed to never. I read conjecture that said she changed to never so she wouldn't leave herself open to a perjury charge for not revealing this device as one that had emails. But you would think that would be something that would be easy to check - if she sent even one email out from it, it would be revealed in the metadata, right? I don't think Weiner was composing emails for her. So she needs to be on very firm ground to make the never assertion.

On the other hand, I could imagine her being scared enough of HRC to tell her that no she never used it and that it was all Wiener's machinations. I bet there were some pretty tense moments on that plane when the story broke. They probably all felt sick to their stomachs.

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Inside that plane, inside various offices and watching the absolute freak out that must be happening as this story is unravelling and more information is coming out, and people have to choose sides. Since we have a week long deadline, it has to be nerve wracking. Bigger question is what happens after next Tuesday, if she wins or if she doesn't.

What happens when ( not if anymore, I think) she gets indicted. I wake up each morning wondering what will come out this day, whether it is a banner day ( she steps down) or another day of watching and waiting. Little we can all do but watch and wait.

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into the relevance of the file being named " life insurance". Doesn't everyone put stuff in files/folders marked 'solitaire.ini', 'minesweeper.cfg2', or 'I_Love_Lucy_reruns.mp4'?

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There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.

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Hasn't the CIA spied on us before, or maybe it was the FBI? The CIA has many ties to the Bushes, pappy was the director at one time, so with the rule of law no longer applicable to tptb anything is possible.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

the USA. The CIA is not but, along with the NSA, DIA, and others is accused of not following the laws.

(I am agreeing with you.)

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do they declare martial law before or after the election, and only if her heinous loses, or regardless. -snark- maybe?

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

very jealous about their turf and reputations because appropriations and scope must be protected and enhanced. It's the ongoing low level warfare among all government agencies and the closer their missions are to each other, the more pronounced the struggles.

The ATF has suffered because their mission calls for them to investigate bombings and illegal firearms - it puts them against the NRA and the Congress lowers the ATF's budget. The FBI doesn't want this to happen to them. The National Weather Service needs to keep funding up...they all do and it's part of the DC tension and can be exploited by politicians and lobbyists with an agenda.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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or the committee heads the clowngress reps that want the funding, you know with corruption being what it is these days?

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

appropriations, make nice to the committee heads in Congress and are not above doing the dirty to a competing agency during budget hearings.

The 4 branches of the military are the same way. It's a fact of life in government agencies. They all want more money; more duties; and higher pay grades for the employees.

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country before paycheck or paycheck before country, but then again with all the missing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the pentagon, we pretty much leaves nothing left wonder about.

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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I'm not sure they actually need a declaration of martial law.

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the act that let's tptb do whatever the fuck they want to do, in the name of the boogeyman.

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

It was executed November 22, 1963.

Think about this. Let's say for the sake of discussion that the Warren Commission was correct in asserting that Oswald was a lone gunman. Who led the cover up which silenced Oswald, buried or destroyed vital evidence, and caused "accidents" to happen to so many witnesses?

The Conspiracy has ruled since that time.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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sure as hell disliked the Kennedys, and liberals, so it sounds like the same people back then and today.

So now that you mention that year the dots do seem to connect, so it's safe to assume that Bernie got the memo, and with her heinous there is
no such thing as a conspiracy.

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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I am actually frightened that we won't make it through the next 4 years w/out the Clinton/Bush cabal starting a shooting war with Russia. Perhaps based on allegations of hacking, since we're now supposed to respond to cyberattacks the same way we'd respond to people bombing our cities.

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That's where the bunker city is? Time to load up at least on winter cabbage and squash. Are there locals who know this sekrit spot that we have supposedly seen on TV? Not the I would want most of them (guest list?) running the late show.

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Both Mount Weather and Raven Rock have been outed in major national media (and Mount Weather was never that well-kept a secret in the first place). They'll pick someplace we haven't heard of - yet.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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it's basically our only hope. How awful is that, that I, who have opposed the CIA for good reason for so many years, have to hope that people in that agency, and others like it, will save us from a tyranny that could embroil the world in a third world war with nuclear implications.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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proceedings begin for whoever is elected. Either one of them is capable of making dangerous decisions for the country.

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To thine own self be true.

Saw that, (edit: on a different site, with scary Repub credentials given as reasons to trust the spokesperson) jotted down a few thoughts while listening to it:

Guy acting as spokesperson was assistant under-Secretary of State under Kissinger (served under it seems all? Presidential conspirators in this same position throughout the development of this corporate coup) and trained in psychological warfare... is this claimed counter-coup, if true, TPTB acting directly and pulling another con?

Claims coup was effected by Clinton faction ON Nov. 1st?

Claiming master-key for voting machines can control 99% of votes on them - 99%? Hmmmmm..... sounds like a number appealing to the 99% may have been pulled out?

Nothing was said of the corporate coup - presented as a civilian coup...

Unless the corporate coups are also eliminated and actual charges brought against ALL responsible and involved, including corporations and billionaires, and invasions/attacks/economic take-overs on other countries stopped with complicit/corrupt politicians revealed and charged, this may well be a coup within the corporate coup in order to continue it while further conning the public.

Blogger is saying that Trump could be 'a Reagan' - who was a union-busting tool implementing an attack on democracy and the people which is now reaching fruition, barring a miracle.

Edited to fix economic 'rake-over', although that typo actually worked, lol.

And to add that the Dems and Repubs were earlier competing for big donors, which Hillary won; have been rather wondering if the battle was over not just the Presidency but the chance to serve TPTB for their North American sector of the global hostile corporate/billionaire 'trade deal' take-over.

Two parties would hardly be necessary afterward, in order to administer corporate law via 'legalized' extortion.

Under such 'trade deals', domestic law in involved/betrayed countries law is claimed to have been (illegally and unconstitutionally) given into corporate/billionaire hands; elected politicians then no longer hold delegated power belonging to a free people and are no longer required as such.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

no conspiracies.

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(video contains explicit violence)
[VIDEO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnGo6Qm0Wt8]

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First, we don't know who did it. I don't believe the Russians would be so crude and amateur to leave traces that they hacked anything. Some have suggested at TOP that the Russians deliberately left evidence as a middle finger to the Democrats I suppose. The history of the Russian secret services doesn't suggest such open in your face behavior.

How could any American let alone Russians predict the reaction of the media and popular opinion. At this point, the mass media is ignoring the leaks. Nice going Russians. The major backlash was the resignation of DNC officials but that was over treatment of Bernie. So why didn't the Russians release information or hack into voting machines to push for a Bernie victory who would be more circumspect in terms of foreign policy and war.

The Clinton campaign created the political fiction of BernieBros and now they have lead the charge in creating the political fiction of a Russian threat. Now the democrats have had willing allies in this including cyber security companies that would directly benefit financially in creating hysteria about Russian hackers much in the same way gun makers and dealers gained financially in creating myths about gun confiscation.

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That someone with a Romanian IP address had accessed his email. Wasn't Guccifer Romanian? Or at least someone using Tor? If I were going to hack into someone's account (just sayin') I would bounce through Tor and log into some poor fool's pwned gaming system then out to a VPN that comes out in the West and then back into Tor before visiting my new friends. I always figured that the Russians were smarter than me. Just sayin'.

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Talk about politics making strange bedfellows: the spooks, of all people, can't stand Hillary, just like part of the military also can't stand her. I never thought I'd be on the same side as anybody in the CIA or NSA, but apparently Hillary is so rotten that she's managed to piss me AND them off; they don't like her reckless carelessness, her assumption she's above all the rules, and the way her pursuit of private gain sometimes interferes with their plans.

Pray that there's enough people in the military and the covert side of things that not only dislike her, but the PNAC craziness she embodies--that may be our only chance to avoid a hot war with Russia.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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The military was very opposed to going into Libya and they were negotiating secretly with Qaddafi's son when Hillary put a stop to it.

Little-discussed secret audio recordings released in early 2015 reveal how top Pentagon officials, and even one of the most progressive Democrats in Congress, were so wary of Clinton’s warmongering that they corresponded with the regime of Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi in hopes of pursuing some form of diplomacy.

Qaddafi’s son Seif wanted to negotiate a ceasefire with the U.S. government, opening up communications with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Clinton later intervened and asked the Pentagon to stop talking to the Qaddafi regime.

The bloodbath that is Libya is all on Hillary's hands as is the 250,000 dead and 12 million refugees from Syria. It will become appreciably worse when she ratchets up the war there, imposes a no fly zone, and then moves toward Russia. I am terrified of her hawkishness. She places no value upon human life, either there or even here at home.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

… On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war...

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The article I read had it at 250 K, but with all the bombing recently, your figure is probably much closer to reality.

I simply do not understand how someone like Clinton and her fellow neocons can sleep at night knowing that their actions are depriving other human beings of their right to life and safety. It is beyond my own ability to understand. I guess that is what makes them psychopaths.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

I bet you didn't laugh at the manner in which Gaddafi died. Hillary did! Trump would!

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

But pretending not to know you've killed a lot of innocent people in the process, thousands of people, unleashed an arms bazaar, turned over half the country to ISIS, and forced thousands of people to flee on boats into the Mediterranean, causing more thousands of men, women, and children to drown, is unforgivable. Giggling just doesn't cut it.

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500,000 juvenile deaths was worth it to her - and Nazis killed most of her relatives. That was worth it to them as well.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

that is what makes them psychopaths.

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The Russians in 2012 when Clinton was Secretary of State approached the UN Security Council with peace plan that would ease out Assad. Susan Rice was the UN ambassador to the UN. This article was from last year. The claim was made by Finnish Nobel Peace Prize winner Martti Ahtisaari

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer...

Former Finnish president and Nobel peace prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari said western powers failed to seize on the proposal. Since it was made, in 2012, tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions uprooted, causing the world’s gravest refugee crisis since the second world war.

Russia proposed more than three years ago that Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, could step down as part of a peace deal, according to a senior negotiator involved in back-channel discussions at the time.

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Ahtisaari held talks with envoys from the five permanent members of the UN security council in February 2012. He said that during those discussions, the Russian ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, laid out a three-point plan, which included a proposal for Assad to cede power at some point after peace talks had started between the regime and the opposition.

But he said that the US, Britain and France were so convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall, they ignored the proposal.

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At the time of Ahtisaari’s visit to New York, the death toll from the Syrian conflict was estimated to be about 7,500. The UN believes that toll passed 220,000 at the beginning of this year, and continues to climb. The chaos has led to the rise of Islamic State. Over 11 million Syrians have been forced out of their homes.

“We should have prevented this from happening because this is a self-made disaster, this flow of refugees to our countries in Europe,” Ahtisaari said. “I don’t see any other option but to take good care of these poor people … We are paying the bills we have caused ourselves.”

The Brits and French share a lot of culpability what what has and is happening in Syria and Libya.

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