CNN: It's illegal to read Wikileaks
Submitted by gjohnsit on Mon, 10/17/2016 - 11:06am
Yes, just glancing at information that wasn't filtered by the news media, even things that the FBI issued a subpoena for and could only be found by a hacker, makes you a wanted thought-criminal.
” Also interesting is, remember, it’s illegal to possess these stolen documents,” Cuomo says. “It’s different for the media, so everything you’re learning about this, you’re learning from us.”
Coumo forgot to mention that looking at Wikileaks also makes you an agent of Russia and a traitor.
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Stupid cnn!
Nf.
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How can they be stolen. ..
If they are fakes planted by those godless Russkies?
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Doublethink.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Piss on CNN.
I'm going straight into my bedroom and tearing off my mattress tag that says "Do Not Remove Under Penalty Of Law". Then I'm reading every page of WikiLeaks.
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You made me chuckle!
Desperate Times...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Criminal? How can we even try to define it now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
Alternating between laughing and crying. Mostly crying.
Also voting for Trump, he's much less dangerous than Her Heinous and Friends.
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Different for the media????
He'll be among the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. Him and everyone else at Sirius Cyber..., er, CNN.
*Published* information is *public* information
Thank you for mentioning this absurd announcement here.
Wikileaks' publication of the Manning materials (video and State Dept cables, 2010-11) brought a severe and over-wrought reaction from the Democratic Administration. This included action by American government officials that managed to take Wikileaks offline and cut off its donation/banking connections. Fast action by citizens of numerous countries put Wikileaks back online immediately, while huge numbers of people worldwide duplicated all or Wikileaks' saved information and created 'mirror sites', while creating alternate systems for donations.
The Democratic Administration -- particularly the DOD, iirc -- tried to extend the Espionage Act to every person in America (and Americans overseas) by proclaiming that the Wikileaks publications were protected by the Act because the information was 'secret' and 'confidential'; therefore anyone who accessed those publications, or allowed themselves to be exposed to reporting on it, were in illegal possession of confidential government documents.
Public outcry demanded immediate retraction of this position as applied widely to all Americans, but the government insisted on maintaining the proscription on anyone associated with/paid by the government. This led to many absurdities, since the Wikileaks publications -- and government reactions to them -- were were being reported 24/7 on all forms of media, so 'forbidden' information was everywhere in the public sphere, including the running headlines on silenced TVs (as I saw in my local laundromat).
Some of the absurdities of this time were: Employees in a variety of government offices whose responsibilities included responding to reporters or writing reports for superiors could not do their jobs without violating the decree. Students in military colleges -- whose upper-level classes included interdisciplinary work requiring them to include 'current events' were unable to do their classwork, which would lower their grades and cause them to suffer career damage (iirc, it was their protests that lead to the decree being weakened or withdrawn).
Since this proclamation seemed to me to be an egregious violation of the First Amendment, I delved into a study of the First Amendment, the Espionage Act, Supreme Court decisions around how this issue had been handled in the past (both WW1 and WW2). (Regrettably, a nasty virus in Spring 2011 destroyed the hard drive containing my research, so I am working from memory and can't provide links or titles; my apologies.)
A number of Supreme Court decisions established these central points: (1) Maintaining the protection of confidential government documents is the responsibility of the *government*, and cannot pro-actively limit the public's First Amendment rights (the abject failure of government -- especially DOD -- to establish adequate cyber-protections as required by the Espionage Act and the relevant Executive Orders was a big subject for discussion in the 2010-11 timeframe). (2) Once government protections of documents fail, so that the documents come into public hands, those documents can be published, and that publication (and the act of publishing) is protected under the First Amendment. (3) Government has no right to define 'real journalist/journalism' or 'real publisher/publication'; to define 'real journalist/journalism' would necessarily limit the exercise of the First Amendment and pre-emptively restrain Free Speech and Freedom of the Press.
The Supreme Court decision on which I based number (3) above pointedly stated that Freedom of the Press did not apply only to established forms of media; those same protected freedoms extended 'even to the lonely pamphleteer' who might stand on a street corner asking passers-by to take a copy, please.
Thus the Supreme Court, in a number of consistent decision over decades, established a 'settled law' position that 'Published information is public information'. Therefore -- no matter what government officials or a random newscaster might proclaim, any limitation of the public's ability to access published information violates the First Amendment.
Published information is public information.
Thanks for this. Didn't The Progressive magazine publish
a "how-to" on how to make an A-bomb from material from public libraries and was taken to court where the magazine won on just some of the very grounds you mention?
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
The “Progressive” planned to publish *H* bomb plans in 1979
and the government filed suit to stop them (prior restraint).
https://infogalactic.com/info/United_States_v._Progressive,_Inc.
The New York Times and the Washington Post both took an editorial position that — what else? — sided with the government. (Did someone mention Izvestia?)
Thank you for this
This is going to be a great foundation for me to work from when I fo my own research this week.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
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~Caitlin Johnstone
Thanks for summary. Greenwald at time of Manning.
At the time that Wikileaks published Manning's documents, like most people I didn't know laws around the publishing of classified information. Greenwald went onto a few talk shows to defend Wikileaks. The pro-government reporters stated what Wikileaks did was a crime, and Greenwald told them no, it was not a crime to publish classified information. Here is a good segment of Greenwald taking down a clueless CNN moderator and Bush official.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgnJ_W_5zU
Basically, it looks like the pro-Hillary main stream media is trying to argue that in obtaining and publishing the material, Wikileaks is equivalent to the Watergate burglars. Chris Hayes looks to be really pushing this point. He had Greenwald on about this, and Greenwald slapped back his arguments. Shortly after Greenwald published a piece defending the release of Podesta's emails.
Seems to Me That This Is Coming Straight From the Top.
Didn't Obama just challenge the "wild west" state of media? Wasn't the Russian Spectre lurking in the background like Donald Drumpf in a Presidential debate?
Hillary is extremely protective of her political reputation and is remarkably opaque regarding her public/private partnership actions.
How long until this thought policing becomes conventional wisdom?
Seems to me that this should be added to the recent essay asking for some "How do you feel about voting for this?" responses.
"How do you feel about criminalizing a citizen's first amendment right to public information?"
If I could find the link, I'd add it to the list.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
IIRC it was Hillary who recommended this idiotic order.
Which meant that all of our embassy staff didn't know what was leaked though their foreign counterparts did.
Basically, we intentionally hamstrung our own intelligence about our own screw up.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
The irony burns.
Just imagine some guy or gal somewhere arrested for reading a secret document hacked from Hillary's server or from one of her cronies email accounts. I'll bet FBI Director Comey would be first in line to assure America that it was different from Hillary and thus prosecutable.
If memory serves, at time of Wikileaks dump of state docs.
I will gladly stand corrected, but SOS Clinton said any State Department caught reading the leaked documents online would be fired. I think also any new potential hire would be rejected if they admitted to reading the documents.
Chris Cuomo
Chris Cuomo is an embarrassment to his father's name. Mario Cuomo wasn't perfect -- he had ties to the DNC and Dem establishment, of course -- but he did some good things, actual liberal things, during his political career. I remember him as a person of integrity.
What CNN is trying to do here is horrifying. Given Obama's recent comments about needing to find a way to "curate" for "truthiness" all information published on independent media (Internet), I have to wonder whether this a trial balloon being sent up by TPTB, to see how far the public will let them go with a government-oligarchy takeover of the media.
Back in the '50s and '60s, Americans used to look at Isvestia, the state-run propaganda machine that served as the Soviet news media, and think, "How can the Russian people just accept that as the truth? Don't they ask questions? Don't they know they're being manipulated and lied to? How can they put up with this?"
Now we know.
As to "everything you learn about this, you're learning from us": No, sorry, Chris. That's not how it works. Some of us have functioning brains. We do our own research and actually read the laws, which are readily available via the Internet. Darn that Internet!
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~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
I just read an interview with Obama
in this month's Vanity Fair - while I still subscribe to that mag, I'm getting more disgusted with it every month, but whatever. They don't make it easy to cancel that subscription either.
In the interview Obama actually makes a remark about alternative media and how "divisive" it can be because it doesn't promote a nice, national, overall narrative. He actually says if ONLY he had maybe 3 major outlets, he could have used the bully pulpit to get more done. Made me about sick to even read the thing but I figured what the hell, I'd see what he had to say. And I was not really shocked at all by that "honesty" either. It was a sycophantic article blabbing on about the parallels to Lincoln, blah, blah, blah. But that remark was very telling to me.
Graydon Carter did an editors note hilariously taking the Rump down though, so there was one small redeeming quality to the whole thing, but not much.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Vanity Fair Does Something Interesting
From Forget the Election: Why Hillary Clinton May Be the Most Hated President of All Time:
I think it safe to say that author -Tina Nguyen, reporter for The Hive- will never get a one-on-one with Her!
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
yeah, cnn, watching CNN then is illegal too,
because you did the unthinkable and read and reported about Wikileaks.
Forget the shit. Ain't worth it.
https://www.euronews.com/live
This motivates me to download and read even more Wkikileaks
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/
The political revolution continues
When did Republicans start making more sense?
That’s the scary thing in Germany, too
You know the establishment is going off the rails when there start to be important topics about which even the $#&@!! neo-Nazis are making more sense.
...more Republican news & views on Hillary...
Through a glass darkly...Forward.
I will be reading as few of these emails as possible since I already know every organization on the planet has back room gossip, conflicting motivations, public and private faces, duplicity, competition, bad faith, good people and bad.
But not every org on verge of taking control of US government
I would like to know about the people and their agendas and behaviors that will directly influence my life.
You call it backroom gossip
I call it subverting democracy by stealing elections, but what do I know? Just out of curiosity, who in the DNC and/or Hillary's team is the good person, i.e. not corrupt?
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
So you apply that standard equally?
To every organization in the world?
The Trump campaign? All government organization? At work? Your family?
You don't care about the details of any organization?
Including the Mafia
Including the Mafia. And all sorts of other organizations that perpetrate violence and misery upon other people. Do we let them off the hook because "gosh, that's just how people are?"
You know, that sounds awfully like the excuse people used to make for men behaving badly (as in harassing women, getting drunk and destroying other people's property, being bullies, etc.). "Oh, well, boys will be boys."
We don't need to sit still and just accept the destruction of our planet, criminal behavior on the part of our elected "leaders", and the wholesale takeover of our way of life by the oligarchy, in which our lives and well-being are viewed as meaningful only as fodder.
I believe we're at a "jumping off" point. All of us, as individuals, are having to make the choice as to whether to wake up, get out of denial and into reality, and have the courage to take action; or to shrug our shoulders and say, "Oh, well, that's just how things are." Or even worse, "Huh? I don't see anything wrong." And I'm seeing plenty of those, even people I would have thought had more intelligence.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Yes, me too.
People here in town, that I admired...now stupid and lazy.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
So OMG, don't read Wikileaks
or you too will be holed up in some Embassy with a target on your back, if not put directly in jail! The NSA is watching you plebes, so don't you DARE even think about it!!! Disgusting.
It is kinda funny in a horrible dark way to see them scramble so desperately to find a deterrent to people actually waking up to her and their corruption though.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
No surprise little weasel C. Cuomo, brother of Neolib Nightmare
Governor of NY Andy Boy, the tough-talking campaigner as AG who like mentor $hillary knows the first thing to master in politics is a public and private face, is the product of good ole nepotism.
How many other weasels get jobs as "journalists" because of their ties to money and power. Little Tucker Carlson comes to mind too, heir of the Swanson TV dinner folks. I'm sure there's plenty more...
What galls me most is having become acquainted with so many white-hot brilliant and cogent minds through Occupy, who would run rings around these odious corporate clowns, whose understanding of the issues, history, philosophy and poli/sci would embarrass these ugly frauds.
But of course that's just it. These "news" outlets are not in business to inform or educate. They're in business, which is the operative word for CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al, to make money. The noble and grave responsibility of the idea of the Fourth Estate has been laughed at of the corporate boardrooms and kicked to the gutter where it currently resides, alongside the vast majority of the unwashed citizenry comprising most of the American middle and working class.
Only one wish I have, seriously. For the entire world to turn off all their corporate tv, stop buying the newspapers and shut off the corporate radio stations (and to stop the relentless, blinding consumerism, stop buying corporate products and food). Then we might get somewhere. What's the Mark Twain quote? "If you don't read newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read newspapers you're misinformed."
Anybody see the trailer for this "All Governments Lie"?
For some reason all of a sudden I'm having trouble embedding YouTube videos. (More on I.F. Stone here)
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FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
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My Take On The Assange Blackout
Because this has happened -at the same time RT is having financial difficulties with British banks- tells me that Hillary's campaign is afraid that the revelations are going to cause problems with Her Coronation. They aren't about to leave loose ends unsecured, even though Trump is in a slump from which he isn't likely to recover without assistance from anyone. It's still too close for Her comfort.
With such poor approval numbers for both of them, the right combination of hits on Her from Wikileaks could just make the difference, especially if enough people bolt from the control of the major parties for the Greens and Libertarians. The last thing Her Campaign wants is to hand the decision to Paul Ryan, who will never let Her win.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Fuck you, Wormtongue.
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