Clinton said anti-fracking folks should 'get a life'

In which we have another example of differing private and public positions on topics critical to the electorate:

From The Daily Caller:

WIKILEAKS: Clinton Tells Union Members Anti-Fracking Extremists Should ‘Get A Life’

Leaked emails show that Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton told union members in September that she supports the fracking industry and believes anti-fracking extremists should “get a life.”

“[M]y view is I want to defend natural gas,” the former secretary of state said in a transcript of a private meeting with a union that was sent to her campaign. WikiLeaks, which illegally hacked accounts of Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta, made the conversation public.

She said she wanted to:

“to defend repairing and building the pipelines we need to fuel our economy. I want to defend fracking under the right circumstances.”

And she said that Bernie Sanders represented an extreme variant of environmentalism according to DC. Clinton also says she is not into the efforts of the most radical environmentalists who are bashing the Keystone pipeline. She called Sander's push for a fracking ban in Colorado 'irresponsible.'

Here's the text of the email:

From:vanand@hillaryclinton.com To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com, kschake@hillaryclinton.com, dschwerin@hillaryclinton.com, Mrooney@hillaryclinton.com, kcosta@hillaryclinton.com, nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com creynolds@hillaryclinton.com, bfallon@hillaryclinton.com, ha16@hillaryclinton.com, re47@hillaryclinton.com, tcarrk@hillaryclinton.com, john.podesta@gmail.com

Date: 2015-09-09 21:09 Subject: 20150909 Transcript | Building Trades Union (Keystone XL)

Hi all, So this is a partial txpt of HRC's answer this morning on KXL at the Building Trades Union meeting. She seems to transition to climate change more generally - and we're working on transcribing that now - but just wanted to send the most relevant section now since we don't know when this will leak.

Interesting that they assumed it would leak...

The transcript is in the attachment, here's the text:

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
BUILDING TRADES UNION
SEPTEMBER 9, 2015

{SECTION ON KEYSTONE XL}

QUESTIONER 1: [inaudible]... but it is encouraging when you talk about new pipelines as well. Because when we hear from [inaudible], not from you, but when we hear it general [inaudible]... environmental extremists are the democrats' version of the tea party from our perspective. And so while we fix leaky ones, we want to build new ones. I know Phil, myself, Jim, Craig, Tim, Harris, and the teemsters -- right now we have $30 billion in new natural gas mostly [inaudible]. Pipelines being built, as Shawn said, puts a lot of people to work.

HILLARY CLINTON: And where in the country are you [inaudible]?

QUESTIONER 1: So Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, the Dakotas--

QUESTIONER 2: There's an oil pipeline too in the Dakotas...

QUESTIONER 1: New England. 

QUESTIONER 2: The pipeline industry is booming and we've raised a lot of issues on existing pipelines and how bad they are. You know, people are concerned about the Keystone pipeline, which would be the safest pipeline ever constructed by the most skilled labor force ever assembled to build it. And you have to [inaudible] about these pipelines that are in the ground 20, 30 years, 40 years--

HILLARY CLINTON: 100 years--

QUESTIONER 2: Right, 100 years. And they need -- like the city government in Chicago where I live -- they're changing out all the gas lines in Chicago and there are gas lines that have been in the city of Chicago since Abraham Lincoln was president. 

HILLARY CLINTON: Is that part of the 30 billion that [inaudible] is talking about?

QUESTIONER 2: No, no. 

QUESTIONER 1: It's actually now, Madam Secretary, the second largest sector to mining, building is third. So the energy sector -- and yes that does include solar and wind [inaudible] and we like 'all of the above' -- and from listening to you we need someone like you to have a grown up conversation with all stakeholders because people have dug in on all sides.

HILLARY CLINTON: I know, I know.

QUESTIONER 1: And now the Sierra Club won't support any natural gas. And to be honest, not you, but the Democrats were so disillusioned with Congress on both sides, they expected that -- one we sure as hell didn't expect that we were getting [inaudible] out of the Democrats in the energy sector. But it's encouraging--

HILLARY CLINTON: Well they've come out, and you may not know this, but they've all [inaudible]. I mean I have not said anything about Keystone because I wanted to give the President, the Secretary a chance to make their decision. But I can't wait any longer. And you know from my perspective, this is just one of these issues--

QUESTIONER 2: It's symbolic--

HILLARY CLINTON: It's symbolic and it's not going to go away. They're all hanging on to it. So you know Bernie Sanders is getting lots of support from the most radical environmentalists because he's out there every day bashing the Keystone pipeline. And, you know, I'm not into it for that. I've been-- my view is I want to defend natural gas. I want to defend repairing and building the pipelines we need to fuel our economy. I want to defend fracking under the right circumstances. I want to defend, you know, new, modern [inaudible]. I want to defend this stuff. And you know, I'm already at odds with the most organized and wildest. They come to my rallies and they yell at me and, you know, all the rest of it. They say, 'Will you promise never to take any fossil fuels out of the earth ever again?' No. I won't promise that. Get a life, you know. So I want to get the right balance and that's what I'm [inaudible] about-- getting all the stakeholders together. Everybody's not going to get everything they want, that's not the way it's supposed to work in a democracy, but everybody needs to listen to each other.

And we need to do-- you know, nuclear, talk about climate change -- nuclear is no greenhouse gas emissions. France has it for nearly 100% of their energy-- they've never had a problem. We've had two problems that people know about: Chernobyl, which was a disaster and [inaudible], and you know Three Mile. Right, those were the problems we had. We've come a long way from there.

So I'm willing to defend and to really burrow in, I will say, you know, I don't support the Keystone pipeline because I don't think we need to do that. I think we need to repair, rebuild, take care of what we've got on the platter here. But I also think that the federal government has to be the partner. You can't do this. I mean whether it's a Fed discount window or a new fund, because it's not just pipelines. It's exploding sewer lines. It's broken water lines. It's all of the construction that is under our old cities. It's all falling apart. And so I want a major investment in fixing up what makes our cities work. Now, I don't want to leave the rural and suburban areas out, but the oldest -- going back to Abraham Lincoln -- but the oldest stuff in the ground is in our cities. 

QUESTIONER 3: I was going to speak similar to what President [inaudible] had talked about, but in the fact that-- so you're going to campaign Keystone pipeline or [inaudible] on your position?

HILLARY CLINTON: I'm not going to campaign--

QUESTIONER 3: I'd rather you nip it and say I'm more interested in fixing existing structures--

HILLARY CLINTON: No I will, I have to--

QUESTIONER 3: Because we've been conditioning our members. That's kind of like being blinded [inaudible]... So if you come out against it they're going to go [inaudible]... You can just say, 'I am in favor of repairing the existing infrastructure and expanding to make it safer for Americans, and I'm not going to take a lightning rod issue that's going to be legally challenged,' as a better way of saying 'I'm against it.' It's a deft way of navigating [inaudible]... Unless I get [inaudible]

HILLARY CLINTON: At some point, I mean, look, I'm being hammered because I won't take a position. And I thought I was doing the right thing by not taking a position. I'll try to figure out the right wording. I get what you're saying. And, look, I want to be a champion for your members. Obviously I would love to have your endorsements. But, in any event, to be a champion for your members.

QUESTIONER 3: We've been advocating for this for 6 years so it'll be a major reversal for a lot of us. 

HILLARY CLINTON: Yea I know, I know. I get it. I get it. So look, you've got your own business to deal with. Whether you endorse me or not, I'm going to be your advocate and your partner. And I'm going to do what I tell you I will do. But I also don't want to mislead people and let them think that I'm going to support something when I can't. Because I don't think it's productive to support it, given all the other stuff.

You know, I'm having conversations in these town halls and these meetings I'm having with a lot of people who break into my meetings, they hold up posters, they scream at me, and all the rest of that: 'Stop extracting fossil fuels, stop extracting on public lands, come out against nuclear, coal' you name it. They are after everything and I'm just talking through them. And of course they go support somebody else. That's fine and I don't particularly care. But I do think I have to say, look, given everything else we have to do in this country, this is not an issue for me that I'm going to say I support. I want to work on other stuff. 

QUESTIONER 3: I want to ask you a hard question on the same thing. If you become the president and we turn the next Congress around and we get it passed, would you veto it?

HILLARY CLINTON: You know, I don't know the answer to that. I don't want to mislead you. I don't know the answer to that and I'll tell you why, because I don't think that Congress has the authority to pass it. The law is pretty clear that this is an executive decision because it crosses the Canadian border. Remember that Congress tried to do something on it before and the general opinion was it doesn't mean anything because they have no authority to do it. But that's my memory of--

In a linked piece also by Daily Caller, we find a video of Chelsea presenting her mother's position on fracking which is not consistent with what is found in the newly released emails:

Jake Tapper gets some word salad from Nancy Pelosi about the 'get a life' comment:

Here's the IB Times version of the story:

Clinton WikiLeaks Update: Leaked Emails Show Hillary Told Climate Change Activists To ‘Get A Life’

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riverlover's picture

That one I take, knowing it's normal.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

that anti-fracking activists were viewed as "domestic extremists" by the MIC here and in Britain.

"Domestic extremist" is one of those weasel-terms, like "enemy non-combatant" which basically means "they're not really terrorists, but we want to treat them as such, so we've invented this name for them."

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Hillary accused Putin of funding anti-fracking organizations.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

and any other big environmental NGOs who supported this piece of shit.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Shockwave's picture

The oil mafia does.

The only "local communities" to ban fracking in California are the poor people in Beverly Hills and Mendocino county (good for them, I know the BH activists that got it done, I just live on the wrong side of the hill). When the rich people in Compton passed and anti-fracking resolution they were sued by the oil mafia.

The Clintons should get a clue and give us our lives back.

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The political revolution continues

MsGrin's picture

the State legislature passed a bill to supersede that effort: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33140732

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

riverlover's picture

to ban fracking. It has withstood three oil mafia lawsuits. Unfortunately, the pipelines from elsewhere continue. @.5 mi from me is a major pumping station. The "Gas Plant" as it's been known for >30 years.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

...The Clintons should get a clue and give us our lives back.

Naw, the Clintons are special and reserve the right to take as many lives as they want, both directly and indirectly. After all, the only lives that matter are their own. And they may not be too sure about each others.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Bollox Ref's picture

i.e., retire from her 'public service', and spend time with her grandchild while she can.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

edg's picture

Hillary Clinton is so desperate to become president that she will do anything and corrupt anyone because she is afraid she will end up in prison without presidential immunity. With her health issues, she's unlikely to outlive her presidency, so she views becoming president as the only way to see her grandchild without prison bars obstructing the view.

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Its her business, her vocation. No one would have greased her and bill and their foundation if it wasn't for this possibility.
If she loses this election, her speaking fee, his speaking fees, the foundation "donations", Chelsea's special deals.....they all go away. If she wins, she just needs a 4 year break from speaking fees, but they will just double Bills fee.
She doesn't have a choice at this point, the machine is built, oil, and at full throttle. So many powerful interests put so much money and effort into it, they will not be denied.

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She's a predator.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Sun, 10/16/2016 - 10:53am — Bollox Ref

I wish this loathesome candidate would get a life
i.e., retire from her 'public service', and spend time with her grandchild while she can.

If that grandchild actually mattered to her, would she be doing what she is - eagerly sacrificing all chance of health and the survival of life on the entire planet well within the expected life expectancy of that grandchild in order to enhance her own already insane power and wealth?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Bollox Ref's picture

(just practicing my duolingo.)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

CambridgePulsar1919's picture

She's a 'convictions chameleon'.

A lifetime of begging for money/votes has left her with no actual core convictions.

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"I want to defend fracking under the right circumstances.”"

What a hoot - "under the right circumstances." I support fracking until I don't support it, and then we won't talk about it any more because it will be "old news, and we already covered that, and, and, and..."

Truly, I hope she's much sicker than we ever think she is. Truly. Chuckling with Trump suggesting a drug test before debate, as athletes have to take, cuz she seems so "amped up" in debates, in contrast to her flailing, and stumbling, and coughing while campaigning. Guess she can't take the meds ever day.

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Lily O Lady's picture

for her.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

Deja's picture

It's not just athletes who are tested, but average folks at work, who want to work, or who get hurt on the job.

I had to do a mouth thing that was gag worthy - giant, nasty tasting swab held in my mouth for over 10 minutes as I drooled every where (temp agency).

Then a few months later (offered perm position) I had to pee in a cup and have an attendant check the toilet afterwards - not allowed to wash hands before opening door because it had no sink in the room.

Any day, for any or no reason, I can be made to pee on demand again.

Yes, let's have a follicle test on them both! Too hard to cheat on that one.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/57jhws/hillary_clinton_to_env...

"You know, I'm having conversations in these town halls and these meetings I'm having with a lot of people who break into my meetings, they hold up posters, they scream at me, and all the rest of that: 'Stop extracting fossil fuels, stop extracting on public lands, come out against nuclear, coal' you name it. They are after everything and I'm just talking through them. And of course they go support somebody else. That's fine and I don't particularly care. But I do think I have to say, look, given everything else we have to do in this country, this is not an issue for me that I'm going to say I support. I want to work on other stuff."

She's just so damned progressive!

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Lily O Lady's picture

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

WoodsDweller's picture

because it's a life or death issue. Too bad Clinton is on the side of death.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

Azazello's picture

Check this out, they planted false statements in her speech transcripts in case they ever came out: The Intercept

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Deja's picture

Many weeks ago, the shills on the Sunday morning spew shows kept stating that the Russians would be releasing fake emails.

While not entirely true (emails are real in my book), there is an element contained within the emails that are fake - planted tidbits to make The Queen of Wall Street sound not so prostitutish when it comes to her corporate bosses!

Gawd, these are snake people!

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Is the idea that we use no fossil fuels starting immediately here and now the real position of any major anti-fracking group or demand? This sounds like a total bogus strawman made up by Clinton to look good to the union members by knocking it down with some hippy bashing. It is like right wingers saying that environmentalists want us to move back into caves. And she associates Bernie with "radicalism"--can't have that hippy shit. She is once again defending the status quo.

Hillary also claimed in one of her speeches that Putin was behind the anti-fracking movement. It looks like any protest movement that Hillary the power elites don't like, will be attacked as Putin funded, or serving the interests of Putin. Marcy Wheeler noted that recently an article by regular reporters at the NYTimes attributed the anti-TPP movement as pushed and inspired in the background by you guessed it Putin. (The EU leaders have been trying to blame Putin for a lot of their social and economic problems for a while now.) Looks like we will get what we had during the heyday of the Cold War--blaming Soviet communists for dissent against the status quo.

No proof is needed to make the Putin accusation. The NYTimes published an article which accused Putin of stopping Chevron from fracking in Eastern Europe by funding anti-fracking groups. The article had to note that not one piece of proof was presented by each of the accusers they highlighted, and they still let the accusations go on and on as if they were true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/russian-money-suspected-behind-f...

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Clinton WikiLeaks Update: Leaked Emails Show Hillary Told Climate Change Activists To ‘Get A Life’

Well, since she's obviously intent on killing off life on the planet, one way or another, likely before her own natural life-span expires, she probably thinks that anyone who wants a life should just buy another one, as she no doubt plans to do. Crazy-people are kinda like that, aren't they?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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[M]y view is I want to defend natural gas,” the former secretary of state said in a transcript of a private meeting with a union that was sent to her campaign. WikiLeaks, which illegally hacked accounts of Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta, made the conversation public.

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