Obama is about to give Hillary a great big October Surprise gift

Hillary may be struggling in the polls, but she has an Ace up her sleeve: the commander-in-chief.
You might remember that we are still at (undeclared and illegal) war with the universally hated ISIS, so the C-in-C has the ability to change the tone of the entire political debate on a dime.
The name of this gift is called Mosul.

The liberation of Mosul ahead of the Nov. 8 U.S. election would boost Hillary Clinton’s chances and enhance the legacy of her chief proponent, Barack Obama. As preparations continue to intensify for a major military operation to free Iraq’s second largest city from ISIS’s grip, talk here 55 miles away in Erbil is that the operation could be launched on Oct. 15.

Some 5,262 US troops will be embedded with the Iraqi forces for this massive operation, a few of which are likely to be killed.
Whether it is standing next to Obama in celebration of victory, or standing next to Obama in manufactured sadness over a coffin, Hillary has some extremely powerful photo-ops coming up in the final days before the election.

ISIS is preparing for the fight by building concrete walls, digging trenches and tunnels.

The trenches are also supposedly connected to a network of secret tunnels ISIS is building. This is being done in case the terror group is forced to fight a guerrilla war inside the city; the high population density—still an estimated 1.5 million residents—will also be used in this fighting.

It is unlikely the battle will be over before the election, but it is also unlikely the full-scale of the atrocities committed will be known before the election either. The humanitarian crisis alone will be biblical.

"Space ... we're at 31,000 and that is our capacity. Thirty-one thousand," said Abed, who works for the Barzani Charity Foundation.
It oversees a number of camps, populated by 1.4 million Iraqi displaced people fleeing fighters belonging to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group in the Kurdish region.
That number is set to double within a month, with an additional 1.5 million people expected to flee when the operation to take back Mosul from ISIL starts in mid-October....
Rasheed said they expect at least 420,000 people would flee to Erbil and Duhok. About 250,000, she said, will end up in Erbil governorate alone.
Neither Erbil nor Duhok, roughly 155km northwest of the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, are ready for such numbers.

Now some of you might be thinking, "Shouldn't we wait a few more weeks to launch the offensive until we can care for all those refugees, and doom thousands to dying from exposure and thirst?"
The answer is, "No! Look at the election calendar."

AN ASSAULT by U.S.-backed Iraqi forces on Mosul, the largest stronghold of the Islamic State, is expected within weeks — far sooner than seemed likely a few months ago. Unfortunately, the acceleration is not good news. The government of Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi is rushing the operation forward even though it lacks a strategy to secure and govern the multiethnic city of roughly 1 million people once the terrorists are driven out. It is recruiting sectarian militia forces that have a record of abusing civilians and seizing territory for themselves. Plans for protecting refugees, who may number in the hundreds of thousands, are sketchy.
In short, the Mosul offensive is setting the stage for a potentially catastrophic Day After problem. Though the United States has painfully experienced what such poor preparation can lead to, in Baghdad in 2003 and Libya a decade later, it is pushing the Abadi government to move still faster.
Military experts are more concerned about the aftermath than the fight itself. Brig. Gen. William F. Mullen, who was deputy commander for U.S. operations in Iraq until June, predicted last week that Islamic State defenses in Mosul could collapse quickly. “And then what?” he asked at a forum at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. The Iraqi government’s plan, he said, amounts to “chips will fall and we’ll sort it out when we get to that.”
“That’s not a good plan,” Mr. Mullen said. “This is going to be ugly.”

It may be ugly, but that'll be after the election. So who cares, amirite?
Those Shia militias weren't supposed to take part in the liberation of Fallujah either. At least 700 Sunni men from Fallujah are still missing, and probably tortured to death.

It’s not hard to foresee where the ugliness will come from. Though the Mosul attack is expected to be led by U.S.-trained Iraqi counterterrorism units, Mr. Abadi has said Shiite militia forces also will participate. Iraqi Kurdish units may also move in from the north. Controlled by Iran rather than the Baghdad government, several of the Shiite militias were accused of atrocities during and after operations in the Sunni cities of Ramadi and Fallujah. There is ample reason to fear similar abuses against Sunnis in Mosul.
Once the Islamic State is vanquished, the various forces may turn on one another. Kurdish and Shiite fighters already have sparred in nearby Diyala province. Turkey has threatened to intervene on behalf of ethnic Turks in the city. Though a Sunni police force is being trained, it is a fraction of the size needed to prevent human rights abuses and factional fighting.

This sounds really bad. I mean something straight out of Revelations bad.

What's more important: a) tens of thousands of lives and another round of regional wars, or waiting a few months to do it right, and maybe lose the election?

The liberation of Mosul, especially without a fight, would be trumpeted as a major victory for the legacy of Obama’s beleaguered foreign policy and indirectly a boost for Hillary Clinton. Though she hasn’t been Secretary of State for four years, Clinton is still closely associated with Obama White House.
The expulsion of ISIS from Mosul could undermine Donald Trump’s insistent criticism of the Obama administration’s failure to deliver a knockout punch to the extremists.
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Really.

This is bad. I am without words. What is wrong with these people.

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The money and power from the MIC is more important to them than brown lives.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
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Recently there was some chit chat here about the whole white privilege meme. One aspect of the worldview that comes with a fascination with white privilege is the mistaken understanding that TPTB in the West feel free to abuse the inhabitants of the Middle East or Africa or Latin America or Southeast Asia primarily because those inhabitants have an abundance of melatonin.

To the contrary, TPTB feel free to abuse those inhabitants solely and entirely because those inhabitants are powerless to stop that abuse. Their brownness might be one of the things that makes them seem alien enough to enough citizens of the West that those citizens won't get bothered enough to try to stop TPTB from doing evil, but that's just a convenience to the TPTB. Dick Cheney would just as happily and remorsely have killed your lily-white Aunt Mary, if she'd been in his way and if he could have done so with impunity. It is our racism that is in play here, not the racism of the TPTB.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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Melatonin, chemically N-acetyl-5-methoxy tryptamine,[1] is a substance found in animals, plants, fungi, and bacteria. In animals, it is a hormone that anticipates the daily onset of darkness;[2] however in other organisms, it may have different functions. Likewise, the synthesis of melatonin in animals differs from that in other organisms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin

Melanin is what determines skin color.

Then again, an awful lot of people seem to be "asleep at the switch", so....

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

the Recent Comments list, I came in here thinking you would be incorrectly correcting my "melanin" to "melatonin", only to find that I had typed the wrong one. As a lifelong insomniac, I'm well aware of the significance of melatonin, and its distinction from melanin. Evidently, I'm quite deficient in both.

Thanks for the correction.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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I though Assange was going to drop some really juicy stuff soon. Was he bluffing ?

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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occur 10 to 14 days before the election. Enough time for the news to circulate widely but not enough time for the person it's aimed at to do anything about it.

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Anymore I think it's all just talk.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

This is so much worse than anything I could ever have imagined, almost ashamed of myself for lack of imagination. Is there no end to the manipulation, killing, wanton slaying of human beings Obama and his administration, including the Clintons, what ever he still owes them, are able to concoct.

Takes me well beyond cynicism. Not wishing well for any of them. Have no words to express my anger, disgust. Deepest sorrow for all those we are killing. What can we do to stop it?

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-- and it may -- backfire.

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Heck of a job, Barack.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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Anti-War Left Will Stay Home

Why not? What realistic choice do we really have?

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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make one of them. Don't stay home. That's what they want you to do.

I'm not staying home. Fuck these people, I will be voting ,and I will be voting as many of these greedy goddamn toads OUT as I possibly can, while doing everything I can to avoid replacing them with somebody worse.

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(I think I'm a poet tonight!) Smile

You have two other choices; make one of them. Don't stay home. That's what they want you to do.

Never fear. I'm voting for Jill Stein.

I'm just saying that I understand -- painfully well -- why many of us don't bother. No matter what we do or how we do it, nothing really ever changes.

Bad

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

It'd better backfire - placing all of those people in that position for electoral 'optics'!

Darned if I remember who on here posted a Twitter link where one of the Tweets linked to this...

http://embols.com/2016/09/25/how-bernie-sanders-could-become-president-w...

How Bernie Sanders Could Become President With Only 130,000 Votes
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After reading Dawn Papple’s excellent article in The Inquisitr a few days ago, about how theoretically it was possible for Bernie Sanders to still become President, I shared the article with some friends and found that they were confused at how this scenario could occur, so I decided to write my own article and hopefully answer everyone’s questions, as well as recruit a few hundred people to help me make this into a reality. ...

... Last Question, Crazy Guy; I’m a Jill Stein Supporter Now. What Role Does Jill Stein Play In All of This?

Great question!!

Jill actually does play a role here.

Although Jill herself has stated that the 2016 election is about “consolidating power” to win the 2020 election, Jill Stein supporters may end up helping Bernie Sanders in this scenario.

Jill Stein supporters should continue canvassing, donating and phone-banking on her behalf.

Not only will your activism help Jill in 2020, but a truly concentrated Jill Stein movement in a few battleground states could swing those states to Trump and keep Clinton from achieving the 270 electoral votes required to gain the Presidency.

Our Bernie write-in campaign in no way hinders Jill’s progress.

Wow!! You’ve actually convinced me. What do I do now?

Email me at..

BernieSandersWriteIn@gmail.com

We need phone-lists of Vermont residents.

We also need people who are willing to travel to Vermont for one month or who already live there.

Yes, this is a longshot, but Bernie Sanders’ candidacy was a longshot from the very beginning.

It is worth a try just to keep the government from falling into the hands of either of these two warmongers.

This is our only hope to stop both Clinton and Trump.

I am ready to make the sacrifice, but I can’t do it alone.

Who’s with me?

Dawn Papple’s excellent article in The Inquisitr

http://www.inquisitr.com/3527032/could-just-thousands-in-wyoming-or-verm...

... Update: The latest results from 270 to Win indicate that Iowa has turned Red, Clinton is at 264 and Trump is at 268. Consequently, if Clinton takes Nevada, she will make it to 270. If the new projections are accurate, both Vermont and Wyoming will be needed to prevent both leading candidates from reaching the requisite 270 electoral votes.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Americans are really, really sick of all this shit. And not so much for Gandhi-like virtuous reasons, but because we're sick of being embroiled in a disgusting thing that drains resources and hurts our people and gives us, like, nothing.

Obama "winning" Mosul? I think the people that will impress are already either Hillary voters, or the tiny number of undecideds. At best, a small bump.

Also, I'm not sure anything is going to convince Trump voters or independents or Bernie or Bust types--any of those groups--that Hillary would be a good choice for Commander-in-Chief. And she needs to swing at least one of those groups back her way. Not sure it's gonna stem the drain with minorities either--and it certainly won't with millennials.

That's my brave prediction, which could turn out to be total bullshit--I don't think it's gonna give her what she wants.
The era where war automatically guarantees support is over. There's a reason Trump's (semi)isolationism is going over well.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

it works with the news media.
It'll shape coverage and shape the tone in a Hillary-positive way.
it'll prevent Trump from shaping the tone.

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And not just with a defeat, or capture of some 'advisors/trainers'. Headlines about retaking a city in Iraq just remind people that Hillary supported the misadventure, and that Obama couldn't get out of it. Reminding voters of terrorism may also turn them to the tougher more reassuring candidate, who may actually be perceived to be Trump as a blustering alpha male, as opposed to Hillary the deadly blustering alpha female. If Obama wants to bet the election on the abilities and determination of the Iraqi (shiite) Army, Trump could get out in front of it by asking WTF we are doing there in the first place and why are we still doing it.

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I can't see how it could be shaped any more to her advantage. Trump is already being given the Bernie treatment and can't shape the media, other than in the online sites where he has support. As for the public, I don't see many people liking Hillary better because of one more association of her with war. The strategy is more likely to send people to Jill Stein or even Trump. Obama apparently thinks he still has support and that people care what he thinks. People think differently now, largely thanks to Bernie, but Obama thinks his old tricks are still good. I suppose they are when backed by big money and illegal, corrupt politicians, but the difference is that now a lot more people are aware of how dishonest and malicious our president and our government are.

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What happens in the M.E. They're only stupidly scared of muslim terrorists HERE, in the US, of which there are very few. If this gambit is true, it is just one more instance of these bubble wrapped idiots thinking that this is what is important to voters who have seen their little power, future or livelihoods disappear. I'm still stupefied as to why we are in Syria arming ISIS and Al-Quaeda rebels and screaming for war with the Russians. The oligarchs who run our government have gone insane, while the world faces enormous danger from global climate change, which they wholly ignore or offer little platitudes.

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I think Obama will try for some October surprise, but it has to involve Putin in some way.

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Fri, 09/30/2016 - 4:37pm — MrWebster

But where is Putin in all of this? Gotta have him.

I think Obama will try for some October surprise, but it has to involve Putin in some way.

Maybe he'll nationalize the mines from which Secretary of State Hillary helped pass the sale of 20% of America's already inadequate-for-power-plant-supply strategic uranium resources to 'Putin's !Scary! Russia', thereby making a fortune for one of the Clinton's large donors and bunch of other big donors involved in the process, these incidentally passing big chunks of this money along to their Clinton benefactors out of pure philanthropy?

After all, Hill'll need that uranium to nuke Russia, China, Iran, and any other countries capable of self-defense which she may have promised big donors to nuke, rather than merely militarily attack/invade in the interests of global corporate conquest and in creating nuclear winter in a radioactive wasteland around the world which they'll somehow comfortably survive - they imagine...

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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We know she has the capacity to do so.

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Trump all about how vote rigging is accomplished during one of his many weddings. After all, I can't imagine those are romantic occasions. Maybe he needed cheering up so they had a good laugh. Now she has to play the GE straight or he'll expose her.

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her "former" friend? Do we really know that?

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I mentioned that I think he's her shill to my Dad, who found it implausible - were 16 other Repugs also on board with Trump becoming the nominee so she'd have a weak opponent? And he has been an obnoxious orange mess from the beginning, normally unelectable. It seems like everyone - Trump, the other Repugs, the Dems and we - were surprised he was actually nominated. The polls matched the votes, so the Repug primary election doesn't seem to have been rigged.

Of course we could be talking 12th dimensional chess here, but do we think the Clintons are that intelligent?

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for that scenario, though--that's just it. For all the GOP knows, he won fair and square, whether it was his idea to run or hers (or anybody else's, for that matter).

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advance that the orange mess could win the Repug primaries? Or despite the polls, they somehow rigged his election too?

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in order for it to happen, elenacarlena. Therefore, nobody else had to be on board with it.

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There are different kinds of intelligence, like social intelligence ("street smarts"), intellectual intelligence ("book smart"), moral intelligence (concern for the well-being of others and compassion).
Both Clinton and reportedly Drumpf have book smarts (though Drumpf keeps it well-hidden). Hillary has no social intelligence: she lives in her own 0.1% bubble, though pretends she is one of "us". Drumpf has excellent street smarts, even though he is a lying con man.
Neither one of these two sociopathic monsters have moral intelligence.

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both the Clinton camp and the Trump camp are blessed with both book smarts and street smarts (I don't believe that, but even if they had), I can't see anyone thinking in advance that Trump, playing the ignorant orange mess, could win the nom.

Not to mention that it would have been simpler, had they understood the mood of the country in advance, for Hill to tell her donors behind closed doors not to worry about anything she says, it's all just pandering to the voters; and then come out strong with an anti-establishment, populist message from the beginning, rather than spending the year flip flopping like a fish out of water.

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incompetents who ran her private server are going to be in control of the election. They have real pros for that.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Perhaps she realizes that if she can't make her 'win' appear to be even remotely plausible, there will be riots and she'll be rejected by the American people too widely to cover it over - and that many foreign governments would be very glad of a legal reason to not recognize this psychopath (and the other one as well) as being a legitimate 'leader'?

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Some of them are armed, and all of them are paranoid. This may be part of why the Clinton camp is so worried: plan B is dead in the water.

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... the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

The Nazi SS did not expect resistance but they had to obliterate the ghetto it to win.

The anti-thesis is the moral framework of the resistance, ISIS vs. Jews but both ready to die than be captured.

I am afraid that it may take longer than expected.

The hero of the Warsaw Ghetto was Mordecai Anielewicz. The father of a close friend of mine fought with him but managed to escape to the Soviet Union. Eventually he came back to Warsaw with the Soviet Army and in time he became the Economy Secretary in communist Poland until the 1967 "purge". Boy! Did he have some stories.

The fight will be block to block and to the death. But what a contrast in moral frameworks between both historical events.

I do hope Mosul falls before November 8 but I'm afraid the ISIS mindset will remain and their resistance will inspire a new wave of terrorism down the line.

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The political revolution continues

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give Hillary strong Republican support.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

and no one in Washington regrets that.

We had to destroy the city to save it.

Why is that familiar?

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Unless you're positing a group of so-called "moderate" Republican voters (not donors, but voters) who don't like either candidate, but like Hillary marginally better, who might not turn out except for....Mosul!

In other words, somebody who doesn't like Hill's foreign policy now is not going to like it better b/c Mosul, esp given she's not even SecState right now. Somebody who hates her for domestic policy or character reasons isn't going to swing back b/c Mosul. This won't persuade; it may energize turnout.

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Not the Ghetto, which was liquidated, but the Polish resistance in the city. The Red Army was right across the river but they didn't lift a finger to help, just watched it happen. Russians and Poles have hated each other for centuries, still do.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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Woohoo! Photo ops with wounded troops. A breath of hot air for Hellery's campaign -- direct from the bowels of Hell.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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few things that went right since the day we started Shock and Awing these people to death.

But a small quibble. I heard from the Shillarites that Obama ended the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. You mean that's not true? /s

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Fri, 09/30/2016 - 6:46pm — Amanda Matthews

It'll be an October surprise all right. It'll be one of the
few things that went right since the day we started Shock and Awing these people to death.

But a small quibble. I heard from the Shillarites that Obama ended the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. You mean that's not true? /s

Hey, they aren't really war crimes wars anymore - it's just that we're still killing some folks...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

I think I heard somewhere that it takes serious maintenance to keep it from collapsing on its own. Imagine what would happen if someone were to give it a little nudge.

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Yes, not a good situation.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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So once water began to spill over it, the whole thing would go, washing away everything in its path.
Wikipedia: "The Mosul Dam is a 113 m (371 ft) tall and 3.4 km (2.1 mi) long earth-fill embankment-type with a clay-core. The width of the crest is 10 m (33 ft). At an elevation of 330 m (1,080 ft) above sea level, the reservoir, named Lake Dahuk, withholds 11,100,000,000 m3 (9,000,000 acre·ft) of water."
Broaching of the dam would send a 350+ meter wall of water over the city.
For more, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_Dam

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The US/Iraq have claimed victories over many years, and nothing much really seems to change.

Sure, diehard Clintonistas might trumpet something, but average Joe in Davenport, Iowa has other things to contemplate.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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"Commander-in-Chief" jizz?

The US is NOT - YET - a military dictatorship. So why is everyone talking as though it IS one?

If it's just butt-laziness, maybe it's time to put in a little more effort and come up with a more correct form of address - "Chief Executive" is what most non-military citizens would probably use.

Words shape perceptions. Didn't Luntz burn that lesson into our minds?

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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The US is NOT - YET - a military dictatorship. So why is everyone talking as though it IS one?

Because it is one in all but name, right now.

Besides bullshit FIRE, what other industry does this country have? One which employs massive numbers at high wages, thus commanding the attention of every power possessor in the land?

Only the MIC does this. So it pretty much calls all shots that FIRE doesn't.

If you doubt me, come spend some time here in Colorado Springs.

Diablo

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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that referring to the POTUS as "commander in chief" is encouraging of "military dictatorship" would seem to be a rather nonsensical argument anyway...

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Sat, 10/01/2016 - 7:13pm — lunachickie

The very argument
that referring to the POTUS as "commander in chief" is encouraging of "military dictatorship" would seem to be a rather nonsensical argument anyway...

As rarely as I disagree with anything you post, no two people ever agree on everything, do they, lol?

I personally feel that accepting/propagating the common use of a military title for what's supposed to be a democratic leader of a democratic country - and one, furthermore, in no danger of invasion - helps to normalize the concept that one of the President's main job titles, and therefore main jobs, is to control/attack/invade other countries, rather than ensuring the welfare of his/her own country and people. And that's something which has already occurred - for many, American 'foreign policy' no longer means diplomacy, but attacks on/invasion of/interference in the government/public policy of other people's countries - and it's all for gun-boat enrichment of billionaires and corporate interests, in turn enriching complicit public officials.

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my point is, this is a reference which has been in use for a really long time. At least 7 decades, near as I can tell by a cursory glance at historical references.

Now, "how long" something has been in existence doesn't make it good or bad. What I am basically questioning is that all of a sudden, this reference is some kind of big deal--why? Why would it be the kind of "big deal" that brought forth such sputteringly-angry, sternly-worded demands to cease using it immediately!

Really?
If nothing else, it seems kind of a redundant argument now:

for many, American 'foreign policy' no longer means diplomacy, but attacks on/invasion of/interference in the government/public policy of other people's countries

I seriously disagree that any of these things are happening because we've been using the phrase "Commander-in-Chief" to describe the President for the last seventy-five years. If it is, we're way too damned slow to catch on, and it is far too late to worry about it now.

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I suspect that, apart from WW2, (that actual invasion risk to the US ending around 70 years ago,) the term Commander in Chief likely reached prominence with those of TPTB believing that this should be an important Presidential job, because it benefited them and that normalizing the term and concept of 'the world's policeman' made it easier for a larger group of people to support the notion implied - that the US President should place military and other control over other people's resources, governments and countries (in order to increase their own power and wealth) even above ensuring the welfare of his own country and people, a duty for which there seems to be no separate title - since that's the actual purpose of democratic government.

I found the emphasis placed on this attack-dog version of 'foreign policy' in the Dem primaries to be chilling, regarding the revealed mind-set.

Bush 2 was big on ('reluctantly') being 'The War President' - The Commander In Chief - when running, if I recall correctly; Obama, not being so much big on such labels as he ran on being an unBush, so to speak, and an antidote bringing Hope and Change. (For some relative few, at any rate...)

But now there's Her Royal Coronation impatient for Her Turn, believing that she can conduct 'limited' nuclear war-crimes (for which Obama is setting up) on multiple other countries while surviving this somehow unscathed and still wealthy herself and rather a lot of us would really rather this didn't happen, especially since it's unlikely that anyone would long survive this, or would want to, if they did. This, on top of all of the rest, including an upcoming poorly planned (and advertised? although the terrorists probably have all of the emails about it anyway, so no big deal,) attack, placing a city of a million people at risk, seemingly intended to boost Hillary's numbers, as written about here.

So various of us will be more conscious of what such war-like titles imply about Presidential priorities, although I must have missed any '...sputteringly-angry, sternly-worded demands to cease using it immediately! ...' in this thread. Might well have, been doing a lot of running back and forth both in RL and on the computer. Certainly, I had no such feeling or intention in anything I've posted and if anything appeared/was taken that way, I'm very sorry about it.

But if such things as framing and phrasing didn't work well, the huge and prosperous PR industry would have failed long since. And it would be nice to see the whole US Presidential military title thing fade away, along with the reality of its excesses.

Edited to remove several words.

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does not change reality--but it does affect our perception of it, as L.C. mentioned in her comment to you.

accepting/propagating the common use of a military title for what's supposed to be a democratic leader of a democratic country - and one, furthermore, in no danger of invasion - helps to normalize the concept that one of the President's main job titles,

The use of the dreaded-by-some (and I don't criticize that view) label Command-in-Chief simply illuminates what has really been going on, especially under the tutelage of the Council on Foreign Relations. Case study: George Orwell's 1984--he was only wrong by a few years.

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Oh, I do agree wholeheartedly that it illuminates the grim reality - but it is the public perceptions being formed by the common use of a military title for a leader of a democracy in no danger of invasion but with a habit of attacking other countries for corporate benefit that concerns me. And I do strongly feel that the official use of this title should be questioned right along with the whole 'War President' thing it describes.

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The rapidly escalating rhetoric--not to mention the up arming of the head choppers--coming from the US bodes not well. How open will be the warfare between the coalition of the righteous and Russia in Syria we don't know yet. But it is imminent.

The Western public has been relentlessly prepped for war with Russia. The consequences are impossible to imagine. We are governed by fools and careerists.

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Maybe they'll nuke that and the city population of a million civilians will be passed off as terrorists who needed to be dead?

Big cheers, guys!

(Need to go puke now, I think, I'm just so thrilled with all of this...)

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making excuses for dropping the second atom bomb on Nagasaki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncq_Wye43TM

Same as always. Never changes.

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those Shia militias might not be welcomed with open arms by the residents of Mosul. They've earned a fearsome reputation among Iraq's Sunnis. Will civilians be getting a liberation, or a new reign of terror?

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I'm not too worried. He could f*ck up a one car funeral.

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aphorism for the ages. And yet Obama remains a hard guy to hate. Go figure.

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Took ages and endless indication/evidence for me to lose all of my respect for him - scary!

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

But perhaps I am too inclined to give others the benefit of the doubt. Obama's Presidency has been at the very least, educational. I see him as a somewhat vain personage, a liberal peacock of sorts, and something of a professional chameleon. A social charmer for sure, and a thoroughly conventiional upholder of the status quo, but hardly an original thinker in any sense.

IMO Obama's greatest accomplishment as President was achieved simply by virtue of his being black. And not only by being black, but being proudly, elegantly, intelligently, and attractively black. This has been no small thing for America, and I think Obama (the man) deserves a lot of credit for it. He has by and large, symbolically represented his "race" extremely well. All things considered.

And in fact, i really would like to drink a beer with Barack Obama. Dunno about yuze other guys..

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ISIS has had two years to prepare the defense of Mosul. The best you can hope for is a repeat of Ramada or Tikrit, i.e. destroying the city to "save" it. There are rumors that ISIS may employ mustard agent, a persistent chemical weapon that contaminates everything. Civilian casualties will be heavy, and it's expected that the flood of refugees will overwhelm the capacity of the Iraqi government, such as it is. War crimes will be committed.

If I were President Obama, I would postpone this nightmare until after the election.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

Gott zei dank. The Caliphate ain't gonna happen... too bad, Tayyip, them's the breaks. CIA shenanigans notwithstanding, all of western Syria will finally be "controlled" by the SAR, aka Bashar Assad. With a little help from his friends of course.

Despite the mighty, nay heroic efforts of nearly all Western msm media, the "moderate rebel forces" have failed to distinguish themselves from their more fanatical and bloodthirsty brethren. Half of whom are not even Syrian.

Yet Kerry & Co persist - in foolish outrage against their perceived "enemies"', and in an increasingly transparent pattern of deceit, while proudly thinking of themselves as Lords and Masters of the information age.

Idiots, the lot of them! Proven failures being allowed to maintain and control America's global levers of power. Stink-tanks masquerading as Think-tanks. Paid-for TV "analysts" spouting pseudo-patriotic nonsense as if

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has any clear idea of what he is doing, vis a vis Syria and Iraq. His various "'policy statements" have been so at odds with one another, and so contrary to observable truth, as to render them almost ludiicrous.

Obama is anything but a "decider". Obama is a "go-along-to-get-along" kinda guy. He is born compromiser, blessed with the gift of the gab and a fabulous wife, but cursed by a fervent need to please everyone... and particularly to please his "deep state" advisors, upon whom he reiies almost exclusively for foreign affairs intelligence. About which he himself knows virtuallly nothing.

Obama's "rule by a meeting of opposites"' philosophy has made an absolute hash of various US military projects in MENA, with one Directorate often operating at cross-purposes to another, without any effective, centrallzed control, nor even any clear, unequivocal objective. Meanwhile our ostensible CiC poses as a phoney defender of 'Freedom", while dispensing drones, "Special Forces" and mercenaries wherever the hell he wants to, all across the globe, with hardly a murmur of domestic objection. Americans generally being much more interested in Kardashians and Biebers than in Syria or Ukraine, they tend to believe whatever the TeeVee tells them to believe.

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Hey, Hill's got it - if she could only remember how to do all of that governing/war stuff... of course, she's already said she'd put Bill in charge of some of that Presidentin' stuff - cool end-run around the 2-term limit, ain't it?

Posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating:

https://twitter.com/OpDeny270/status/781213052200812544

FBI Director James Comey says Hillary can't remember basic protocols. She has full command of the facts during #debates. #ComeyHearings

And the list that follows is pretty telling, even if she's just claiming senility... and still wants to attack myriad other countries to keep all those promises literally of the world to big donors. Of course, senility might explain the whole thing.

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Over one-third of the voting public are millennials. This group consists of a huge anti-war sentiment, which although not universal, makes this electoral cohort extremely important to the Mad Bomber. What's the target? Mosul. What's Mosul: a largely Sunni-populated city under the control of ISIS (or ISUL, if you prefer). What is the strategic value of Mosul? Absofuckinglutely nothing. ISIS will withdraw before the fighting gets hot, in guerrilla fashion, to fight another day in another place. What will the outcome be of a U.S. Iraqi "victory"?
Lots of innocent people dispossessed
Recruitment of more ISIS fighters, many from the West
Rage by many in this country at the inhumanity so cavalierly waged by Obama, who allegedly ended the war
Further disenchantment with our government at home, thus leading to increased stay-at-home erstwhile voters and increased number of anti-HRC voters.
I cannot imagine how re-igniting our involvement in this disaster benefits anybody.

You know what they say about military intelligence--it's an oxymoron. So if you want the "cleanest", surest way to rid Mosul of its ISIS captors--blow up the dam a la Operation Chastise

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