“because I need you” - Hillary's reason voters should actually show up

From POLITICO

First, the surname (McCaskill) of the author of this piece is the same as a prominent Clinton surrogate - I do not know if there is a family relationship there.

Clinton: ‘The next 50 days will determine the next 50 years’

Making an appeal to black voters during an interview with the “Steve Harvey Morning Show,” Clinton stressed that voters can’t sit this one out. “Every issue they care about is at stake in this election,” Clinton said. “This is not: ‘Oh, you know, a little here, a little there. We can — you know, we can take it, no matter who wins.’ No. The next 50 days will determine the next 50 years, and I say that absolutely seriously.”

The 'because I need you' line comes right after that in the article. We 'gotta' stand up, she says.

I heard an NPR piece this morning where they were speculating about large numbers of Millennials sitting out this vote. I've been predicting that this would likely be the case if Clinton were the nominee since Super Tuesday (when the Dem turn out in my state was low).

Given that Millennials have generally be unenthused about voting for her, I find the following less than convincing:

In this POLITICO piece: Clinton campaign memo outlines map to victory, Bobby Mook lays out for top donors the math he sees for a Clinton victory. Here's a comment from the article's author taken from Mook's memo:

The missive also identifies some of Democrats’ structural and infrastructural advantages, such as the higher proportions of young voters and people of color in the battlegrounds than in 2012, before — in a tried-and-true campaign maneuver, taking pains to calm backers by dismissing public polls and the media.

The problem with noting the increased number of young voters is that they have shown a great reluctance to show up for her this season.

I don't see 'because I need you' as very convincing in the face of the disrespect from Clinton and her surrogates to Millennials AND ALL Bernie supporters throughout the primary and nomination. They told us quite directly that they did not need (or even want) our votes. She claims she wants them now - I suspect this will be seen as way too little, and way too late.

For more on the tepid response Clinton is getting from Millennials:

Millennials Go Mild for Hillary

I haven't heard this yet, but this is Clinton speaking at Temple University yesterday - seems to have some sound issues:

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Bollox Ref's picture

Cry me a river.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Couldn't be bothered to sit through a half hour of Hill-babble, just wondering if the young people there were paid to show up, like the chair-fillers at the Convention? Whether there were more out of camera range or just the usual blank spaces? Most young people, one would think, would know better than to support that horror - more of their barely begun lives are at stake than those of their parents and other, older folk. And they usually care about environmental devastation/climate change.

Edit: lol, partially pre-answered just below! Still wondering about whether these are paid/bused-in, or what.

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she thinks she deserves. I posted a pic yesterday of the Temple crowd. The university has 37,000 students. Looked like 80 showed up for her. Hahaha.

It is a disaster no matter which of these 2 idiots win.

Really sad that the Bernie crowd is going to sit on their thumbs this election and not vote Green. If they all got behind the Greens, the numbers could win this thing. Alas the lesser of two crooks will win. So the thumb sitters will get the govt they deserve.

And I'm not saying the Greens are a paneca. But Geezuz Chrise.

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Really sad that the Bernie crowd is going to sit on their thumbs this election and not vote Green

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But I don't see any huge rallying at the Bernie reddit sites to Go Green. If you do, please share. And on the twitter, you see some occasional Go Green posts but nothing near what Bernie got before he turned.

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But I don't see any huge rallying at the Bernie reddit sites to Go Green.

That's because once Bernie lost the nomination, folks were no longer willing to put up with the severe limitations of the Reddit platform, and abandoned the Bernie reddits altogether. There's nobody left there to "rally", only the hardcore Reddit fans who are there because they are Reddit fans. It has nothing to do with anything in meatspace whatsoever.

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Serious question. My read is that they're not voting for Hellery, but have there even been polls that measure their enthusiasm for Stein?

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so who knows.
Last CNN poll did not include a single Millennial (age 18-34).
Have you seen any of the old Bernie org turn into Green machines? Serious question.

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the ones doing the work. Now, while nobody's ever come close to Sanders' turnout (including Trump), there's quite a bit of Green advocacy going on, which I can't imagine anyone not knowing by now.

Stein is doing a lot of stumping around the 'Net--hard to tell how much response she'll get out of it. An even bigger point is that you will never see it acknowledged, because "media" refuses to run it. And...just curious, but where is "Green Machine" coming from?

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Maybe I hang out on the wrong hashtags on twitter and miss all the Go Greens activity.

"Green Machine" - Just a term for phone banking and other structured campaign activities.

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quite a few #JillNotHill tags getting thrown around.

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She does a lot of FB. There is a fair amount of sharing that goes on with her stuff, but nowhere near as much as what was going on with Bernie. This embed if it works is about Obama and ISIS. Oh if only we could do half of what she says.

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I love watching Dr. Stein's obviously neo-con questioner start to wilt under her brilliant answer.....

Wink

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I see it all over my feeds, too. It's anecdotal, of course, but a significant number of my fellow Bernie supporters with whom I'm actually friends are voting Jill. And they're advocating hard for her.

(Of course, there are a few lemmings who have fallen for the Robert Reich, etc. arguments and have resigned themselves to HRC. I can't convince them otherwise. It's infuriating but is what it is. They're still outnumbered).

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are likely to vote Green. However, I also think that their support of the Green party is likely to be a lot quieter than their support for Sanders was: once bitten, twice shy. A lot of people invested a lot of themselves in his campaign, and just aren't as inclined to put the same energy into what has become a plan-B protest vote.
Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not likely to broadcast my plans to vote Green here in swing-state Colorado too widely- I'm sick enough of this election season already that I really don't need all the lectures and badgering that that would entail. I'm a Stein supporter, but a quiet one. Who needs the abuse? I don't think I'm alone in that feeling...

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Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not likely to broadcast my plans to vote Green here in swing-state Colorado too widely- I'm sick enough of this election season already that I really don't need all the lectures and badgering that that would entail. I'm a Stein supporter, but a quiet one. Who needs the abuse? I don't think I'm alone in that feeling...

As a Coloradoan myself, I can testify that you're not "alone in that feeling". I live in Colorado Springs. This is Trump territory and no fixing it (thank you, Rousas Rushdoony!).

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

I think/hope you've nailed it. After all, it's go Green or be starving corporate serfs who fry/bake/boil in tar-sands oil pollution, even if Bernie would be the closest to ideal for this situation.

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I received a telephone robo-poll yesterday where every significant Presidential Candidate was discussed -- except Stein.

I hung up. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on!

Diablo Bomb

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Action is going on there.

Also, some of us are working our tails off. Why don't you sad sacks get busy and help us out?

There's a load of good stuff at these sites. If you have access to c99, you can reach them. Download, print, find a Xerox machine, copy a bunch, and go hand them out to people

http://www.jill2016.com/plan
http://gpus.org/organizing-tools/the-green-new-deal/
https://www.greenparty.org/values.php

Of course, you'd have to get out of your Critic Chair in order to do that.

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recruiting activists you may be disappointed.

Derision is not an effective technique, nor is shaming, if anything it creates negative push back.

Ask Hillary Clinton how well talking bad about people who's support you may end up needing is working out for her.

The chiding tone of your comment was a bit off putting even to me and I am a Stein supporter and already plan on casting my ballot for her in Florida provided it isn't a close race, if it's close I may have to hold my nose. (To vote Trump.)

While I want to see the greens succeed in growing their party, I fear the things Clinton will do with a willing congress and senate over what Trump will accomplish with both parties and the judicial branches against him.

I just thought I would say something because we do need people to help badly, but that approach is way too reminiscent of something that would come out of the mouth of a Clinton surrogate ( I'm not suggesting you are a Clinton "Sleeper".) and likely to do more harm than good.

But that's just my opinion, and it's not like I haven't been wrong in the past as my sig line so aptly shows, lol!

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There are some who I guess are going for Hillary, and some who are going to write in Bernie--I wish they wouldn't, but there's enough vote-shaming this election, I'm not gonna dole out more to people who are voting non-duopoly, even if it's in a foolish way. I think a lot of people will vote Green--what disturbs me is that Gary Johnson appears to be getting more of that vote than Stein.

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1. While the Corporate Media is doing everything they can to quell the voices of third parties, they are giving Johnson significantly more coverage than Stein, albeit also at a pathetically low level.

2. The Greens have a lot of negative stigmata attached to their name, some earned, most not.

Number two is one of the biggest reasons I support creating a new party for the movement going forward rather than hitching our wagons to the green parties yoke. That, and potential infighting from the long time Greens who may feel that the "Sanders People" are trying to co-opt their party. (Rumblings of which I have already heard from some.)

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OK.

Of all the things to worry about.

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other group of people unfortunately.

The biggest thing that has kept us down for so long has been such mentality.

However, being a silver lining guy and all that (hard to find one here) things may have gotten so bad that we do seem to be more unified than we have in my memory. (I don't consider the Clinton supporters "left".)

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(I don't consider the Clinton supporters "left".)

They're not. Clintons are conservas, and anyone who supports them is a conserva too.

Sad Bad

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

... While the Corporate Media is doing everything they can to quell the voices of third parties, they are giving Johnson significantly more coverage than Stein, albeit also at a pathetically low level. ...

One reason for this may be that Johnson supports the corporate coup - Jill is the only candidate now running who doesn't. And Johnson is appallingly ignorant and easy for TPTB to con - Jill isn't.

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Clinton not driving young voters to the polls? Really? Who would have expected that? But hey, Papa Bush is voting for her, so it's not all bad.

What a complete disaster. 8 years ago it seemed every 5th car had an Obama bumper sticker on it. These days I see a scant few (Clinton or Drumpf) - sometimes none - among the thousands of cars I encounter every day.

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I only see Trump signs, if I see any. And the Trump signs are very rare. (Colorado).

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

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Here in NC, you see very few Hillary signs/stickers around. I see a ton of Trump ones though. I am supposedly in the blue part of the state also (Raleigh). I think the polls might be off in this state because I see no enthusiasm for Hillary at all.

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They are a neoliberal's wet dream.

- Total deregulation of everything.
- Eliminate (virtually) all govt agencies.
- Survival of the fittest.

As soon as I complete my bug out shelter, I will vote Libertaian. Wink

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before I vote for either Clinton or Trump.

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Because

A. Trump is a fanatic, bigoted, loud mouth whose bellicose threats and pronouncements could conceivably go so far beyond the pale that he provokes an horrific response from some country or terrorist group because they feel overtly threatened. What he was talking about today in terms of rights of the accused makes me think he is one step behind what is going on in the Philippines where everyone seen as an "undesirable" is ending up dead in the streets in some sort of mass executions. He is the scariest politician of my lifetime and in American history simply because the capability of modern technology has outpaced our ability to restrain it.

B. Hillary is seen as corrupt and as someone who played fast and loose with transparency, the truth and National Security and as someone who has used her public office to profit privately. If you want to see how unpopular she is, simply read the comments section of any publication or site that still allows comments. Additionally, she and her Party have insulted and/or taken for granted people whose votes they need. In a reverse Rumpelstiltskin, she is miraculously turning gold into straw by turning blue states into swing states. Good luck Hillary, you're gonna need it to pull this out.

That leaves Johnson and Stein.

Johnson has political experience as both a Senator and a Governor and has a VP who was also a Governor. Libertarians are thought of as socially liberal fiscal conservatives who are also isolationists as a result of their fiscal conservatism. In our current environment, this could be a winning combo, especially as we don't have Bernie Sanders to offer the progressive alternative vision.

Stein is a Green with no government or political experience who has as her running mate a person most people have never heard of also without any relevant experience. She supports a liberal agenda, similar to Bernie, but she's not Bernie and does not seem to be developing any particular momentum as the Bernie substitute.

My conclusion is that a lot of people are going to pull the lever for the Libertarian because he's:
Sane (as far as anyone knows), not corrupt (as far as anyone knows) and has experience in both state and federal politics.

I think the Libertarian Johnson is LUCKY to not be allowed in the debates where he could repeat something like his Aleppo gaffe. He can sit on the sidelines and write commentaries and tweet and go on talk shows.

Also, IMO, Trump is close to madness and if the Republicans were strong, prudent, and moral, they would still escort him off the stage and announce all Party support and money is ending as of this moment and tell their supporters to vote for the only remaining Republicans in the race, Johnson and Weld or go ahead and vote for Clinton since a lot of mainstream bigwig Republicans seem to like her just fine.

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at least not in my experience. I actually voted for him for governor in Massachusetts, because he was far preferable to Silber. He's a classic fiscally conservative, socially liberal New England republican. He's the best politician remaining in the race. Don't know much about Johnson. I expect to vote for Stein, but as you point out, though I agree with most of her platform, she has no government experience.

BTW, I love your writing, Phoebe!

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The more I think about it the more I reach the conclusion that we would probably be MUCH better off as a nation if we literally removed every single sitting politician and replaced them with those that have zero experience...

The one thing I AM certain of is it sure as shit would be hard for them to do a worse job than the fucking asshats in clown shoes we have running the show now.

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here in upstate New York and outside of Ithaca. I am fine with Johnson - he is better than either Clinton or Trump.

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I was repeatedly mocked during the primaries for bringing up the youth vote and told that they were historically unreliable voters. Of course that's when they were voting for Bernie. I guess now that we are talking about Hillary it's different.

Ha!

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NOT voting for her heinous! Wink

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Call millennials ignorant, stupid and lazy - AND then say, "I need you"? Abusive relationship much?

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

They really are a stupid cynical bunch. They SUPPRESSED the youth vote during the primary - kicked people off, didn't do voter drives, etc. Now they are shocked, SHOCKED that the voter suppression carried over into the general. Stupid fucking assholes.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

Is it their fault that they just can't see the non-billionaire poors as real people rather than as fungible and disposable human resources? Plus, psychopathic Greeds are just so much smarter and 'more equal' than the rest of us lowly plebes, they can always fool/browbeat us easily. So, what's wrong with us that it isn't working?

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Doesn't mean she's with you, bucko.

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The NEXT FIFTY YEARS? Now fifty years makes me very nervous. What does she have up her silk-clad sleeve pertaining to a fifty year stretch? President Hillary, president Chelsea and president Chelsea's kids? By my count that's eight for Hill, eight for Chelsea, eight for each kid (unless they have more than two). It actually could add up to fifty years.

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Her corruption is breathtaking in scope: Think of the media that was purchased or rented, the advocacy groups that were compromised, the super delegates that were brought to heel, and the massive amount of money it took to make that happen.
Bezos buying the Washington Post doesn't show up as a contribution to Hillary, but it sure looks like one. So does the purchase of the Onion. how about buying off Human Rights campaign? Who sits on the Congressional Black Caucus PAC? This breadth of corruption has no precedent, and those forces are going for the big win with HRC

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If the corporate coup Hillary promoted goes through, there won't be breathable air or oxygen production in 50 years - and if the 'limited' nuclear war crimes, hitting several countries and certainly initiating Mutual Assured Destruction, which Obama and Hillary are setting up go through, (although they prefer to murder than 'war with' their victims, so might try shutting down their various victim's defense/retaliation systems) a similar effect obtains.

But that's OK, because Hillary can't expect to live anther 50 years anyway - unless she thinks she might. She apparently believes a 'limited' nuclear 'war' is possible. And apparently also that North America won't be flattened into a radioactive mess in it. No idea what that woman might be thinking...

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so I can fuck you over later

and then I'll hand it over to Chelsea.

Nope I won't be clintoned again.

#I'mwithJill

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those born Jewish

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now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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is when she's taking shots at Trump.

The rest of the time she sounds as bored with the condescending platitudes as we are.

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"Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up," Clinton told a labor union audience Wednesday in Philadelphia. "In a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all."
It's the latest chapter in Clinton's approach to Sanders. She's tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies. The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight?
No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-de...

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

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If it was extended, I've missed it...

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the other latest drama with her Majesty.

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Tue, 09/20/2016 - 4:39pm — MsGrin

How much later was that olive branch supposed to come?

If it was extended, I've missed it...

I expect that's what she's trying to beat Millennials over the head with.

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in that same malodorous basket with Trump supporters.

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absolutely be assured that I will show up. As a matter of fact, I cant wait to vote for Dr. Jill Stein.

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but not enough to do a damned thing for us. The Republican outreach does not seem to have gone beyond elected officials, she isn't picking up Republican voters in the numbers she expected. Bernie can't deliver the young voters (didn't he already say it didn't work that way?). Obama isn't delivering the black vote. Throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Trump isn't working - the voters already know all that and he's the candidate they've been waiting for (yes, that should scare you).
Republican voter registrations are up, they have the enthusiasm. Democrats and left-leaning independents are making plans to go bowling on election day. Funny the difference having someone to vote FOR makes.

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Oh, wait--all those people who've been hating Hillary for 30 years didn't suddenly abandon their hatred and mistrust because rich one-percenter Republicans told them to!

Who could have seen that coming.

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to win.

Somehow I think she has the machine vote already in her pocket.

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But I did not listen to it (I have a low screech tolerance). What I noted is that the students (presumably from college, though some looked younger than that) clapped as if some one held up an "applause" sign. Have were o9bviously unenthusiastic--and were probably coerced into being on stage--"or else". I couldn't get a reading of the crowd size in front of her, but apparently CitizenofEarth estimated the number to be around 80. Surprised? NOT!

Since I didn't have to listen to the effluent, I observed her motions more carefully. What came across to me most was her smug self-affirming head nods she exhibited throughout her diatribe. The only thing missing from that was folding both arms across her chest, like Benito Mussolini before her.

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so folks can estimate for themselves. The pick cuts of the right side of the audience so you have to guess number of people cut out.

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at the back of the room for Clinton rallies, isn't there? I read somewhere (in an essay or comment here yesterday?) that this event was by invitation. If so, huh? Is she afraid that an open event would underperform and look bad? That hecklers/protesters would show up? This isn't January in Iowa! This is 50-some days from election day. Pathetic. SMH.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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Is there a heavy vetting process, or can they just not get more than a hundred people out of a University crowd to show up?

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when I was informed in no uncertain terms that she WANTED tiny audiences.
Nothing about her makes sense to me, and that didn't either, so I realized I was just not going to understand.

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Can't remember another handshake line after that, can you?

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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This is why they have to lock her away.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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made out of Green Screen.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

That would be ironic, considering how anti-Green she is, both environmentally and political Party-wise.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Fleur de Lisa's picture

almost as much as I hate the staged chuckles, the finger-pointing harangues, and the point at the crowd and guffaw thing that she thinks looks friendly. You know she has an image consultant who has actually coached her to do those things (ETA - my opinion only there - no proof of it!). The problem is, they're all rehearsed and fake, and they look it.

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Alphalop's picture

Remember this one?

And they wonder why people think she is a fake.

Makes me want to sigh...

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

than I am to even attempt to watch her. I can barely look at her, much less listen to her. That open mouthed pointing thing drives me nuts, but then again, the mere sight of her drives me nuts. The mute button is no longer sufficient, I just change the channel or turn the tube off when she comes on.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

and she's probably right, so her bearing is supercilious and haughty. But even if she wins this election, she will not have won the trust of the public at large, nor even close to half of it. Quite the contrary.

Nonetheless, the American people will get either Clinton or Trump, one or the other, whether we like it or not. It won't be Stein, nor Johnson. And either way, Trump or Clinton, we'll be dealing with a badly divided populace and a largely unpopular President. How either of them would deal with the situation remains to be seen.

Clinton has the (qualified) support of the one percent: The Wall Street establishment, the MIC, the corporate media, the Council on Foreign Relations, and so on - which gives her a great deal of leverage in terms of executive ability. But she has little if any credibility among the hoi polloi who comprise the 99%, of either the right or the left.

Trump is largely despised by America's elite, primarily because he is an outsider, has not risen to power from within their ranks, and has openly expressed a certain contempt for many of its principles. Which is exactly what has made him as popular as he is. Of course there's also the fact that he's a confirmed xenophobe, that he consorts happily with racists, that he has been far less than honest in his business dealings, and that he is prone to saying the first thing that pops into his head, heedless of the consequences. None of which is a recipe for stability - stability being the primary thing that the establishment needs for its various programs to succeed.

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Shahryar's picture

his path to victory has no policy, only "then if we win Ohio...". Sure, but how are you going to win Ohio? Why are Ohioans going to vote for Hillary?

Somebody who comes here posted a chart on Facebook, or shared it...yes, I think that's it. I think someone I know on Facebook shared this thing from Scott Wooledge. It was a chart showing that millennials favor Hillary over Trump by something like 47-39, those 30 to 54 or so favor Hillary by a touch, 55 to 64 favor Trump slightly and 65 and older are for Trump by a healthy margin, so naturally the Hillary campaign yells at the millennials.

This has got to be the worst Presidential campaign since Mondale's. Maybe it's worse. I can see Her Ladyship losing by 5 to 8 points. If she's not going to say anything then she's going to continue to lose voters.

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and she knows it.

That 12-pt lead among millennials is soft, meaning there's no enthusiasm for Clinton--it's just that large numbers of millennials think Trump is a crazy, racist blowhard.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Shahryar's picture

Again, I'm mentioning Alison Lundergan Grimes in that Kentucky senate race. That was winnable and she went into a shell, refusing to say anything. I see the exact thing happening here. Vague generalities. Hillary somehow thinks people will read into what she says what they want to hear but it's not working like that. We hear her and think "that's very little about nothing".

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

The disgust is stronger than the fear.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Learning to hate the Clintons takes a lifetime. You can't expect the new voters to revile her in just a few months, merely to feel uneasy, abused, cheated, and distrustful.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

If I may venture to disagree, 10 minutes of perusing a list of Clinton plots, actions and statements should be enough for most people to certainly learn to dread the idea of the Clintons ever again messing with public policy.

But the corporate coup which, like fracking, she promoted around the globe as Secretary of State will ensure that the public of each country will be viewed in off-shored corporate/billionaire-only court replacing domestic law only as either corporate-useful commodities or corporate-useless and hence disposable liabilities during the rather brief period prior to the ecology completely crashing under unrestrained industrial/military pollution and destruction, along with the poisoning of what still remains of potable water and, of course, oxygen production killed off with the ecology, so that public policy will be utterly out of the people's hands and used only for corporate/billionaire financial benefit, since they've decided - after Bush initiated the TPP - to doom us all for short-term greed anyway.

On the other hand, life-times will drastically shorten during the Clinton's corporate management period; no regulation permitted for safe air, water, food, products, workplaces or minimum wage for those maximized anticipated corporate profits for The Right People, which must still be supplied them by the public under corporate law, even when virtually nobody has money to buy anything, or they sue for what they thought they were going to get, in their private offshored court with corporate lawyers and judges - who'd even want to live when corporations regulate us to suit their bottom lines, pushing us under?

So, yeah, mightn't take much time for the lifetimes to end of people hating the Clintons. Never mind, then, I'll agree to that point.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Who needs policy or voters if you have the machines and local officials willing to cheat for you?

Also, doesn't Hillary lose voters by speaking?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Who's "we?"

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

50 years from now, Americans will be engaged in food and water riots outside the bunkers, I mean gated communities of a tiny handful of rich people still managing to extract luxury from a dying planet.

So don't talk about 50 years from now. It's a bad talking point.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

that, not one damned thing. So in a way she is correct here, the next 50 years are what we're voting on, and we're going to lose that battle, big time. And that lying Shill knows it.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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Now they all come over screechy, tin-eared, with no timing. A "gentle" plea from her sounds fake. Too bad DNC set this up in collusion with her group. FAIL. Not a heart- and mind- changer there.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

guess she needs to offer us more, because the current shit sandwich isn't enough to earn my vote.

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About one month after Bernie entered the race, I noticed the beginning of significant personal attacks on Bernie supporters, which I really haven't seen in a major election season--particularly for me, the generational attack on younger voters. Then she back stabs on important points in the dem policy platform. She picks as a VP somebody who represents nearly every thing TOP used in attacking Bernie supporters. The email hack reveals DNC collusion to give advantage to Hillary. Another email tells candidates how to marginalize BLM (is it my imagination but except for Obama, it is only white power players around Clinton?). In the alternative media sites, there is talk and discussions how the Clinton campaign outright cheated Sanders using voter suppression and ballot counts. Supporters proudly point out to the dem base how the most vile gopers are supporting Hillary (Bush's apparent endorsement will really drive young voters to Clinton). Hillary raises money from the most rich and powerful in this country and people in their 20s/30s struggle with living more than a marginalized life and they just need to vote for her and never demand too much.

After the nomination of Kaine, I thought "voter turn out". I will make a prediction that a blue state or two, will have an heavy enough turn out for Stein and low enough turn out that Trump unexpectedly wins the state. Stein of course will be attacked by the mass media and dems, but from my point of view, she has become a significant third party player, and that will be the good for all of us.

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This is why I am not voting Clinton. They say NC is a true battleground 50/50 state in the polls now. If that is the case, I am voting Trump (1st Republican vote ever if I do). I will do anything legal with in my power to make sure she is not elected.

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War, War Never Changes - Fallout Series

I have heard the lesser of two evil supporters say, okay vote for Stein if your votes does not effect the outcome because you state is heavily red or blue. Otherwise, vote Hillary. Nope. Will never vote for her. I thought at one time I could if I drank heavily and punched my face as hard as I could--nope, why waste good booze--the face maybe an improvement.

If anybody around me blames me for Hillary losing because of my vote for Stein, I will say "thanks for the compliment".

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TheOtherMaven's picture

or maybe Johnson - he's not too far out of range in one or two, even with the "unskewed" polls.

Best(?) case scenrio under the shitty circumstances we have, is that neither Trump nor Shill collects 270 electoral votes, and the Powers That Be have to jump through some extra-special hoops to get their Chosen One installed.

I really don't know what they'll do this time, since I don't think people will sit still for the Supreme Court foisting another joker on us - even if they could agree (there are, and will be, only eight members).

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