Here's a real brain twister for you.......................
WABC-News out of NY last night opened with the announcer saying something about Hillary Clinton's death. The video later seemed to be edited.
The woman walking out of Chelsea's apartment a few hours after the supposed collapse looked younger, stronger and thinner than the Hillary we had seen a few hours earlier. Photos of her left hand and that of Hillary look different. She was not surrounded by secret service, but rather stood in full view of everyone for several minutes before leaving. Secret Service were standing around the car, etc, but not near her. Unusual to say the least when two men had to grab her a few hours earlier to keep her from hitting the pavement.
If Hillary had a major collapse, you would think that she was taken to the hospital, rather than her daughter's apartment.
The DNC held an emergency meeting last night regarding Hillary and the candidacy.
Anyway - it's out there. Did something go terribly wrong yesterday? If Hillary was a sick as some have suggested, would they not have some sort of contingency plan? Would they try to pass off a body double? Not likely, but it would buy them time to figure out what to do next. I have to say that this has to be the craziest election of my lifetime and I've been around awhile! Stay tuned. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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She's dead, or dying
There is no doubt about it, Hillary is either dead or dying. The DNC and its ilk are as putrid, corrupt, and disgusting as their Republican counterparts. Time to replace both parties and the 1%. I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!
Okay, I thought I was just being my usual weird self
when my first thought about seeing HRC leaving Chelsea's place was that that person was a body double. At least I am not alone. = )
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
There isn't anything that could surprise me anymore.
I have to go take at least 10 lbs of tin foil off my head.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
FWIW
Snopes claims the "body double" story is false.
I can't find anything about the news report. Looks real enough to me, but I'm guessing we'll never know.
Someone just gave me this the other day.
Snopes Caught Lying For Hillary Again, Questions Raised
http://yournewswire.com/snopes-caught-lying-for-hillary-again-questions-...
Nothing is what it seems.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Click one level down in that Snopes article
There is a story about a 4th grade student being grilled by the police for a "racist" statement he made about edible brownies! How damn PC and stupid is our society getting when 4th graders get hauled in front of police and mass murders run our government?
I've found that Snopes
is not nearly the site it used to be.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
I think the body double issue was started by the
campaign. What a great way to make reasonable people who watched the video of the collapse look crazy. Start talking body double. It was just too easy that the BD posted a pic of the front of Chelsea's building on her FB page.
After typing this, I realize I just set up a CT about a CT. I am going to just go and sit down now.
I doubt seriously that she's dead....oh brother!
but, on the other hand, I, too, had the feeling that was a double
I agree
The woman who walked out of Chelsea's apartment was considerably thinner, particularly in her thighs. So right now I am inclined to agree that that Hillary is not dead, but she is much sicker than they wanted us to believe in that time frame, so we saw a body double walk out of the apt. to buy them some time.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Looking at the twitter pictures
Link posted down thread I can see several differences some could be explained by lighting but the possible fake Hillary appears to have a different nose. Then there are the earrings which are different between the before and after. That is sort of an odd thing to change. Better order in some tonnage on the popcorn. I am no longer invested in this race so remain open minded about what is possible.
I can't believe I am going to chime in on this topic, but can't
resist - I'm only human and not Mother Teresa. Donald Trump himself is a reality altering reality - if he's possible, literally anything is possible. The audacity of a body double would just be one more proof that we are living in some weird Matrix universe where Istanbul is Constantinople now.
The moment that HRC figure emerged, my instinctive response was "really?" IMO she literally has never appeared more vibrant or energetic - I expected her to drop to the sidewalk and do some Jack Palance one-armed push-ups and then follow up with a break-dance. In proving that she was fit as a fiddle, I thought the fiddle was a bit too fit.
The one tell that I personally found the most compelling is that someone noted somewhere that the BD had her shoulder bag on the wrong shoulder. I don't know about you, but in my experience, every woman everywhere instinctively hauls their bag onto the same shoulder every single day. The only time I have ever deviated was if I had something else to be lugged around, like maybe a laptop or a briefcase that was heavier, and it that case the handbag might be shifted, but Hillary had only her bag to deal with.
In debunking the BD theory, the MSM acts like there's only one person in the world who could act as an HRC body double - a woman who makes her living as a Hillary impersonator who was actually in LA on Sunday but who amused herself by tweaking the BD theory by posting a picture taken earlier of herself outside of Chelsea's apartment.
In reality, there's any number of women who could don a wig and sunglasses and pretend to be Hillary Clinton, the pool isn't limited to one person. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out if the Secret Service had a body double on staff for HRC, seems like a prudent thing if they were ever concerned about decoying a stalker or getting her out of some perilous place, etc. And, her campaign could employ one for similar reasons. It would be a bit odd, but given the level of paranoia and secrecy exhibeted by her and her minions to date, it wouldn't be a shock.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
That was not Hillary, unless she put on instant wrinkle remover.
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I Dunno. IMHO It Is Hellery In The Video
She does look like she has thinned her weight down 'somewhat'. But that could be diet and all the racing around. Or just lack of appetite from medicine. If it's a double, she has Hellery's voice nailed.
Take another look using full screen playback.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I hear this person say, "New Yawk," like a real New Yawka...
does Hillary talk that way normally? I hadn't noticed it before...and the apartment would be a better place for a tradeoff than a hospital...
"All Life is Problem Solving" - Karl Popper
Do healthy people travel with
The woman with Hillary Clinton
who is holding her hand has been identified as her doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Dr. Bardack used to be a redhead -
see older staff pictures. So now she's gone brunette? Clairol is everywhere.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
click the links
there are several photos of the woman alongside Dr. Bardack's official work photo. It sure looks like the same person in the face with a slightly different hair color.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Maybe...but I heard she didn't see Dr Bardack until
she got back to Chappaqua. Then again, with all the wild stories and delays on any solid
informationcover-ups, Idunno.There is no justice. There can be no peace.
OK, here it is from the NY Post story
that says HRC "skipped out" on going to hospital:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/12/clinton-skips-out-on-emergency-room-during-...
A related story indicates that it was then - and no sooner - that the "pneumonia" diagnosis was made public. http://nypost.com/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-was-diagnosed-with-pneumoni...
And a third Post story identified the mystery lady as Christine Falvo, "a former top aide who now works for a leading New York p.r. firm." http://nypost.com/2016/09/13/hillarys-nurse-is-actually-a-pr-bigwig-and-... Whether that's any more factual than the identification of HRC's big black "Shadow" as "Todd Madison, Secret Service agent", is unclear.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
thanks for clearing that up.
The woman sure looked like Dr. Bardack and after seeing her identified in that one article, I figured it was correct.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Would they tell us?
With all of the recent questions about her health (and I do believe there is something wrong), I'd already been wondering: If she died, at what point would the American public (and the rest of the world) know about it?
I'd been thinking in terms of after she took office, a cover-up of the death of the sitting POTUS. I could well see this bunch of neoliberal corporatist sociopaths pretending she was still alive, using body doubles and/or excuses galore for her lack of public appearances. I've also been wondering at what point We the People would start to question it, or if we would just go along like sheep, pretending there's nothing wrong. The thought boggles the mind, that the American people could elect a dead person as president. (But ... but ... Trump!)
It takes "The Emperor's New Clothes" to a whole 'nuther level. At least the emperor was alive.
(Reminds me of that old Richard Dreyfuss movie "Moon Over Parador", remake of an even older 1930s movie, in which the death of a South American dictator is covered up by his staffers in order to retain power.)
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Should she be no longer among those counted present, a ruse
would give the rich and powerful some time to reach consensus on what should be done and who should be the next president.
(I have neither a clue nor an opinion on Clinton's health, or lack thereof.)
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Also the plot of Heinlein's classic "Double Star"
The concept of an "identical double" replacing a VIP wasn't new when Anthony Hope used it for The Prisoner of Zenda - Mark Twain had beaten him to it with The Prince and the Pauper, by over a decade. But where Twain got the idea, we don't know.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Art imitates life ...
Or in this (possible) case, vice-versa.
Another Movie Plotting This
IIRC, that was DAVE.
Considering how predictive Wag The Dog was, it would be wonderful if DAVE was as well.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Dave was a great movie.......................
maybe not far off the mark these days.
I was thinking of the movie Dave.
Where the fake Pres was better'n the original.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
Perhaps Twain got it from Dostoyevsky's "The Double" from 1846.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Well, we could ask for "Hillary's" fingerprints
They must be on file somewhere due to her
insecuritysecurity clearances. Slightly more seriously, but only slightly, electronic voice analysis would prove or disprove if it's the real Hillary (potential problem here: #WhichHillary).If they were thorough, they'd switch those too,
which means there wouldn't be any way of proving an impersonation. (Heinlein thought of that and covered that angle in Double Star. For that matter so did E.E. Smith in, IIRC, Gray Lensman.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
D.N.A.
ABC reports Hillary dead ... then "disappears" posting
Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
I seriously don't want to even THINK I could think this shit is happening.
Yet I do think it's possible.
Should have bought shares in Reynolds Wrap.
-wow-
youtube recording of a local abc affiliate reporting her death as well.
that's fucked up. how do you make that mistake?
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
Someone PWNED ABC?
Hard to believe the New York City ABC affiliate got completely taken with a ruse. It must have come from a trusted source who ended up being mistaken, i.e. "half right."
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
I've participated in some of the HRC health discussions
But body doubles? That's hard to wrap my mind around.
I mean, this is truly 'Alice Through the Looking Glass' stuff. And yet it's a topic of discussion all over.
What an election.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Given the absolute dishonesty and chicanery of this campaign
it's not so unbelievable any more.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
True, but think back to Sept., 2015
Would you have imagined that people would be discussing the possibility of body doubles a year later?
Wild stuff.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Doubles Aren't New
Saddam had at least one, according to the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan. Since the Saudis hated his guts, I can't see them lying to defend him.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
I've read about Hussein's 'doubles'
You'd hope, given all the Shining City on the Hill/Manifest Destiny shite that the US daily tells/feeds itself, that things were a little different from Iraq.
But then again, if all you get is shite, I shouldn't be surprised.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
The media insiders, it is Baghdad Bobs, all the way down. n/t
Weighing in...
The Hillary coming out of Chelsea's apartment looked 20 lbs. thinner than the Hillary that fell out.
I packed that little observation in my head and would probably never have mentioned it.
Until now.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Are things coming apart....... so very quickly?
This is all very odd.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
FB was discussing the body
FB was discussing the body double, a woman 7yrs younger then Hillary but using the sunglasses it helps make most folks think she is Hillary. plus she as w/o body guards or entourage of any kind on an open sidewalk on a NYC street, granted one of the "classier" neighborhoods, but still, Hillary sans entourage?????
So long, and thanks for all the fish
There is a close up of the face
https://www.superstation95.com/images/HillaryClintonImposter3-FaceIsDiff...
It really doesn't look like Hillary. If this turns out to actually be an imposter, it's obscene.
the link
When I click the link , a message comes up that tells me it's "forbidden" !
I don't know why it would be forbidden
It's the same site as in the essay, just further down the page. I swear I didn't do anything!
That site is the target of an ongoing DDoS attack
that began at 10:15 this morning. That's likely why you're having problems accessing the site. I got through the third or fourth time I tried.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
the link
When I click the link , a message comes up that tells me it's "forbidden" !
Link works now....creepy though. nt
Oops.
I didn't see that you posted this link and commented about it a little lower.
forbidden image as well.
forbidden image as well.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
I Am the Walrus.
Goo Goo Ga Jub.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
So I was using the Google...
And this showed up. Keep in mind that I have never heard of this site before and I have no idea how reliable it is (if at all, since it looks to be a sensational internet tabloid), but I found this part interesting.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1996
Edit: Aaaaand I just realized that this exact article was linked at the bottom of the original essay. Long day. Forgive the stupidity on my part.
Her hair
A friend has been going on about how horrible Hillary's hair has looked lately. Could be because the double's hair can be done up only in a certain style, and the "real" Hillary has ( or had) to wear hers accordingly. I will say that video of the collapse looked really intense and...final. I watched it 8, maybe 10 times, and it gets more disturbing to see how totally out she goes. Others have commented on how roughly her people appeared to handle her, just basically threw her in that van, then put up a human wall really quickly. Then to have two news stations talk announce her death ?! This is all too weird. We need Hunter Thompson back ! I don't think my dreams will be all that swell tonight.
If that was a body double, it is audacious and dimissive
Fake candidates is really out there. How desperate! She was supposed to "visit" by phone to her fundraiser last night. Did she? There should be enough historical phone calls to compare voices.
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Laura Albert–JT LeRoy’s hide and seek was at least entertaining
https://www.salon.com/2016/09/09/i-reject-the-word-hoax-laura-albert-ope...
Hide and seek with a candidate for the presidency of the United States, not so much.
This might explain a lot
A mysterious piece of metal flings out of her pant leg, just as she buckles before being shoved into the vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZl9j580tM
Given the photos of her with a foley tube running down her leg, could it be possible that she's wearing some kind of pelvic brace? Might that explain the prolonged bathroom break during the Dem debate? And if it was the real Hillary who left Chelsea's, it would explain her having lost what appears to be 30 pounds from her thighs. OR she was unable to walk, and thus the need for a stand-in.
But it doesn't explain the person talking to Anderson, because IMO that is not her heinous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM9Ufj9_dUk
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”