Stein's Quantitative Easing
I'd like to get some opinions from the community about Dr. Stein's economic stimulus proposal to buy up student debt. I've commented in the past few days that I can't find much wrong with it, but I'm not much of a macroeconomist. My reading on the subject is limited to books like Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century and William Greider's Secrets of the Temple. This means that I may know just enough to be dangerous, and one of the reasons I hang out here is that there are a lot of smart people who can challenge my assumptions.
Keynesian Monetary Policy
First, let's have a quick primer on the subject matter. In the Keynesian model that has been in vogue for the last 80 years, there are two main policy tools that can be used by governments to stimulate the economy: deficit spending and interest rates. Spending is obviously stimulatory, but ever since the 80s neoliberal orthodoxy has decided that deficits are bad. Consequently, economic stimulus has been limited to interest rate manipulation.
How does this work? Typically, a country's central bank - such as the Federal Reserve (Fed), the European Central Bank (ECB) or the Bank of Japan (BoJ) - will lower the interest rate they charge banks to borrow money. Banks need to borrow money so that when clients decide to withdraw cash, they can get it quickly without having to sell the investments they make to pay interest on the deposits. Lowering this interest rate effectively lowers the rate of interest that banks charge for loans. Businesses now find it cheaper to expand, and consumers find it cheaper to borrow money for purchases.
The problem with this approach is that interest rates can't really go below zero. The first time this became a problem for a large economy was in the 1990s when Japan fell into this "liquidity trap" - and they still haven't really recovered. The Fed found itself in this situation right after the great recession, and Congress was unwilling to authorise enough spending to properly stimulate the economy.
Quantitative Easing
To get around this problem, the Fed came up with a novel stimulus tool called Quantitative Easing (QE). Under QE, the central bank starts buying up debt in the form of bonds. The money to buy the bonds is created out thin air and paid to the former bond owners, who then can go and do something stimulatory with it.
Buying up lots of bonds like that has a secondary effect, which is to reduce the number of bonds available for sale. Reducing the supply of something increases it's price, which in the case of bonds reduces the effective interest rate paid to the person holding the bond (they paid more for it so that eats into the interest they earn). So it also acts like lowering interest rates.
Theory and Practice
The Fed stopped QE about two years ago, but the other central banks that didn't have the stimulatory benefit of the US's TARP program like the ECB and BoJ are still at it. I refer you to gjohnsit's excellent essay the other day for the gory details, but the gist is that it looks like all this financial jiggery-pokery is not being used in a stimulatory manner because the people receiving it are doing useless things like propping up their stock prices by buying up their own stock (this reduces the supply of that stock and drives up the price.) This is what is behind the current stock bubble: the supply of both stocks and bonds has been significantly reduced, and when the supply of something drops, the price goes up.
Another economically useless activity that all this debt is fuelling appears to be real estate. All those houses being bought up and rented out at unaffordable rates by various rentiers from mom-and-pop operations to large banks like Goldman are enabled by all these low interest loans.
So trying to stimulate the economy by giving money to corporations and the rich is not working. What else could we do within the current system that would have an immediate effect?
Demand Easing
Enter Jill Stein. What she proposes is that instead of buying corporate or government debt, we should use QE to buy up consumer debt - specifically student loan debt - and then either forgive it entirely or reduce the interest payments to the rates that banks get. (I'm not clear on this and the web site is no help.)
This would be stimulatory because it puts money back in the hands of the students. They can now use their interest payments (and maybe the principal payments) to move out of their parents' basement and start building a life.
The most interesting thing about her proposal is that it doesn't require congressional approval. All she has to do is convince the Fed to do it, and if she was elected, that could be a reasonable policy request from the executive. The President has a certain amount of leverage over the Fed in terms of appointments, and I expect that would be brought to bear if needed.
Poking Holes
At this point, I'd like to throw the floor open for discussion. I'll start off with two possible objections:
- By making college debt free, you could drive up the price of college. Colleges would see that anything they charge would be paid by the Fed, so why not start gouging students?
- What happens to entering Freshmen? This is of particular interest to me as my oldest would coincidentally heading off to college in the first year of a putative Stein administration.
We are suppose to be a reality-based community, and democracy is based on public discussion of issues. I'm a big Stein booster, but I also believe that letting her push policies that have serious flaws is not good for anyone. I can't see any big problems, but that is what friends are for!
Comments
Price of college is already artificially inflated.
Best thing that can happen is we RE-open the public universities as public universities, meaning that we use some of the windfall from slashing the military budget to go back to the policies that gave us the UC system before Reagan guttet it.
Essentially make private universities either sink or swim based off the quality of their education. No further student loan forgiveness, BUT make loans dischargable in bankruptcy.
With public colleges cheap, and student loans no longer a guaranteed sucker soak, the cost of education in general will decrease, and those colleges that want to charge more will have to WORK for it with better quality.
Again, it's a systemic reform, but we seem to be in a great need for MANY of them in this country.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Agree. The two best state systems of higher education were
California and New York. California didn't survive Reagan and New York didn't survive Rockefeller.
Tuition free state colleges and universities is what we should return to and I also agree that the private colleges should dive or thrive on their own. (This also has the social benefit of keeping the government from supporting religion.)
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
From a social justice standpoint, it's the right thing to do.
Many students were misled into taking these high interest rate loans and not given the chance to understand their options.
Any public policy that would tend to lower interest rates is a negative because it would increase saving on the part of rank and file citizens. It sounds crazy to save when interest rates don't compensate you for parking your money in a particular institution(s) but with the aging of the population and most people having little or no retirement savings, the urge to put money away is great no matter how little the return is.
The USA has approximately $3Trillion in pension shortfall at the local, state and corporate level. This is mainly due to the very low interest rates. These pension plans were set up to have a 7.5% return and that figure is impossible to attain today for a conservatively managed pension plan. This area looks to be the next, or one of the next, crisis point where retirees will be losing a large part of their retirement incomes.
Low rates should help corporations borrow to invest in productive capacity. It's not happening because of an explosion in inventory and the fact that not too many good are manufactured in this country anymore. Excess profits are going to stock buy-backs(illegal until 1983); excessive compensation for execs; and increased dividend payouts.
QE is better than the FED raising interest rates but it will make significant matters worse in my opinion.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
I'm not saying Stein misses the point,
but one of us is missing a point. There is a difference between institutional debt and private debt. The former is simply a subsidy, and any money created is instantly destroyed by throwing it into the black hole of a Swiss bank account. (or the NYSE, i.e. the 1% hordes it) Any money created by giving it to real people will be inflationary - real people will sped it, especially if it is "free", and especially if the 1% will demand it. (in your example even if the schools don't charge higher tuition the graduate's landlords will charge higher rents, or starting salaries will go down, which is the same thing)
By the way, this is what I have been saying about the ACA - if you want to criticize me by citing "statistics" all I can say is look at insurance company profits - the bottom line is the bottom line, everything else is details and subject to change over time.
On to Biden since 1973
Agreed - it's not a silver bullet
Rent seeking will continue to suck up wealth as long as taxation is regressive and r > g.
But at least in the short term it will provide relief and inflationary pressure. In the long term, it will get a bunch of (mostly young) people behind progressive parties and policies.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
We also need to raise taxes on market speculation
which is another form of rent seeking. In general, we should return to a much more progressive tax system - it's a way to ensure money isn't being hoarded, the main economic problem we are seeing right now.
How I think on the topic
I am concerned that we have basically made an entire generation indentured servants. I have a friend who is mid-40's. She's a teacher. She is STILL paying off her student loans. That means that she has spent the vast majority of her adult life with with a non-trivial portion of her earnings being siphoned off. That is simply not acceptable. Is feels like the whole plantation system after we "freed the slaves" writ large. I want to forgive those debts simply because not doing so feels like slavery to me.
But going forward, the answer I think lies more in rebuilding our public school system. That involves getting it out of the hands of the oligarchs which brings us right back to "the movement".
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
First off, thank you so much for this diary Hawkfish
I especially appreciate your descriptions of key economic terms in a manner that is straightforward and makes it relatively easy for the common person (i.e. me!) to understand. As part of this exercise, my head is rather spinning, so I want to ask a few questions that seem obvious but that I'm not sure of the answers anymore. I'm making statements to reflect my understandings, so if any of my statements are incorrect, I would appreciate having the errors in my thinking pointed out to me.
1) the objective is to "stimulate the economy". What exactly does this mean, and by that I mean more specifically what is the problem that we are trying to fix? And how can we/do we measure the extent of this problem?
In 2008 the stock market crashed, and we all knew that the economy was in trouble. Today, the stock market seems to have recovered. But according to your article, it seems to known or suspected by some people that the stock market prices are merely being artificially inflated due to the low interest rate.
So I suppose one of the "objectives" is to have an economy where the interest rate could be raised (at least have it as an option) without having the entire system collapse? In other words, get the interest rate back to something that we think of as "normal" or are at least more comfortable with that zero?
What else? What are the indicators that the experts seem to be most concerned with these days?
2) Bonds tend to be issued by governments and Corporations, as a way of raising money. They are almost like a savings account, where the person who buys the bond deposits their cash, and the bond-seller provides a certain return to the bond holder as in incentive for giving them the cash.
2a) Re Corporations - you assert that Corporations appear to be issuing bonds in order to buy back their own stock, as a way of inflating their own stock price. This appears to be an exploitation of the current bond-buying frenzy that the central banks are engaged in. Presumably the "normal" reasons why corporations issue bonds is to raised funds in order to expand/enhance their business endeavors proper.
So perhaps a second objective of "stimulate the economy" is to get stock prices back to "normal" prices, rather than the current artificially high ones due to stock buy-backs based on cheap money?
~OaWN
You're welcome!
I'm glad it was informative - in part I write to make sure I know what I'm talking about!
Now for your questions.
1. The meaning of "Stimulating the economy" is an issue all to itself, in part because it begs the question "for whom". The usual meaning is "increase the growth of total goods and services" and the assumption has traditionally meant for everyone. In practice, that is rarely the case, and even less so these days.
Your point about the market is a good one because there is a common misconception that the market represents the state of the economy for the average person, but really it doesn't. There is some connection, but only in the situation when companies are benefiting a large part of the populace. To take an extreme example from my own industry (software) some of these so-called "unicorns" (private companies with valuations over $1 billion) have very few employees. IIRC, SnapChat had about 20 when it was sold. So the high valuation only benefitted a few investors and 20 employees.
I don't have a good answer about inflation, but I think of it as a measure of how much the economy balances old wealth against new wealth. The lower the inflation, the greater the bias towards old money. Which is what we are seeing today.
2. Yes, the ideal use of bonds is to fund business/infrastructure expansion. But that is not what is going on now (see gjohnsit's article for details) so a side effect would be to get the market back to "fundamentals" (that is, valuing stocks based on their future earning potential, not on idiotic price wars).
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg