Should we be worrying about the Internet?
In the news: US prepares to hand over power of the internet's naming system
My brain is currently in non-functioning mode, so I am not able at the moment to suss out all the possible repercussions or implications this news may or may not foretell. However, the words "privatization" and "Internet" in the same sentence makes me want to pay attention.
The US government's 20-year role in governing a crucial part of the internet is about to end.
Starting October 1, the US will no longer have power over the domain naming system (DNS), the US Department of Commerce said in a blog post Tuesday.
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Proponents of the move, including the Obama administration, believe privatization will help maintain international support for the system and prevent governance of the internet from becoming a point of dispute.
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"For the last 18 years, the United States has been working with the global Internet multi-stakeholder community to establish a stable and secure multi-stakeholder model of Internet governance that ensures that the private sector, not governments, takes the lead in setting the future direction of the Internet's domain name system," Strickland said.
For now, this appears to only involve the domain naming system, but the question is what is it leading to. While speculation could lead us into the territory of conspiracy theory (CT), currently I would not put anything past the US government in its effort to give corporations a greater hold over our lives.
There are a couple of agencies and legislation which could make further changes to Internet usage and availability, including price. How does this or does this effect the Internet standing with the FCC? How does the TPP effect future changes which this could just be the tip of? Who funds this non-profit that is taking over the naming? What ties does the non-profit have to the Clinton campaign? Couldn't resist that last. = )
Maybe, just maybe, this is all above board, but we are talking about the same people who are pushing the TPP on us, who steal elections, who conduct private wars, who are selling our country to the highest bidders, so it would be best to be forearmed as we are now forewarned.
Edited to add: This is information from another source, US ready to 'hand over' the internet's naming system, that has this:
In response to worries about abuse of the internet by foreign governments, the NTIA said it had consulted corporate governance experts who said its the prospect of government interference was “extremely remote”.
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"This is more about who officially controls the foundations of the Internet/web addresses and domain names, without which the network wouldn't function."
That last has some chilling implications.

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This is a HORRIBLE thing.
Privatization of the internet will simply expand censorship under the grounds of "Private Property".
Google isn't liable for rigging search results because they're a private company. Now imagine that a private company gets to decide whether or not you can even make competition to google in order to get a free and open source of information.
The Demonrats and Rethugs are WELL aware of the power of the internet, and as long as it remains in public hands, they can't control it. It is only going to continue to chip away at the MSM narrative as they become more and more divorced from reality. But if suddenly the MSM gets to control the internet too...
Hence, Privatization, and thus removal from constitutional protections.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
From another article:
The new article [I will add it to the esay]talks about how good this is for globalization. We have already seen the many effects of globalization and so far they have not been terrific for US workers and freedoms, and as I think this is a first step, we need to keep a careful eye on what is happening and maybe letting our legislators know that we want the Internet protected.
Many moons ago, I commented that if we valued the Internet, don't vote for HRC. Looks like Obama is stepping up to the plate for her once again.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Same crap they tried in 1996
Only they tried government regulation which was struck down by the SCOTUS.
Sorry, but I do not trust privatization any farther than I can throw a corporate office building.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Corporations have taught us well not to trust
privatization, which should be rename piratization. I seriously wonder who will be funding this non-profit. If it starts getting donations from the Koch brothers, we better get out the tin cans and strings.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I understand that the major cable companies
tried to get those shut down even while admitting that they would never cover rural areas. While this is a wonderful idea, I am curious about the speed/pricing. Fiber optics can provide speeds up to 1 Gbps.
In my little town without fiber optics, I pay $70/mo inclusive for 75 Mbps (that includes Internet, something like 50 TV channels, Streampix and HBO), and even though I rarely ever watch TV--last time was six months ago, the package is less expensive than just Internet. The Internet speed is my one and only luxury, but also a necessity given as much stuff i download/upload.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
It's my only luxury as well. But I think it's a great idea.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
"Multiple stakeholders" or "multi-stakeholder"
. . . is DC/Wall street-speak for several companies vying to be the monopoly over something in the public realm that should stay in the public realm.
When you see those catch-phrases, you know the worst in the government/corporate sector are about to stick it to you, deeply.
Thank you. I knew I did not like the word,
but hadn't had a chance yet to boil it down to what it would mean in regards to this particular issue. Now I see that it means "Uh. Oh."
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
That's part of the
That's part of the 'conditioning' for totalitarian corporate rule over once-democracies - and of course they want total control over the internet and population. These are not trade bills; they are traitorous acts.
I've just grabbed a few of the handiest examples explaining some of what I've been reading about about since the leaks began.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-08/how-tpp-could-lead-worldwide-in...
Bolding/itallics mine. Please, if possible, read this in full at source?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ttp-and-ttip-trade-agreements-a-dystopi...
My interjection: not that any regular families are likely to see anything but unlimited pollution, a complete lack of any pretense of concern for their safety, health and survival, with starvation wages becoming universal among any not within the top echelon.)
(My interjection: please note that President Clinton/Trump, whoever can do whatever they like to earn big bucks from corporations as what may or may not still be termed 'President', if accepted as management by the ruling corporate/billionaire interests.)
(My interjection: They can do whatever they like to us under these 'trade bills' while we have no protections or recourse - as well as no freedom on the internet - and if we accept any such traitorous act as claimed - supposedly 'legal and binding', despite being unconstitutional in any free country - we're toast.)
The power belongs to the people, not to whoever happens to be in public office - existing specifically to serve the public interest - at the time. Do not let anyone tell you differently.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Copy and paste this into an essay. = )
If the threat to the Internet is emphasized, maybe a few more people will pay attention.
This information highlights some of the worst of my fears about what will happen if the TPP is allowed to pass (which is guaranteed if HRC is elected). It also needs to be highlighted that there is no escape clause once this is passed.
I see the move of the government removing itself completely from the Internet naming as a way of letting corporations get their fingers on it and a springboard to other locks on Internet freedom. The TPP will speed up the process.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Oh no. How much will a basic Web site cost? Sounds like small
businesses and independent bloggers will find it unaffordable.
Notice they've been working on this for 18 years, but give us a little over a month to respond. Where/when is the public comment period?
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That is very possible.
The second article (I just added it to the essay) indicates that this move was worked out with corporate input which may be fine and dandy except it brings to mind, considering this has been ongoing, how quietly the TPP was snuck in on us. I am sure there are a lot of Internet experts who are not owned by corporations who could have been consulted.
The public comment period was probably 18 years ago before anyone knew how important the Internet would become.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
So, the WhoIs site was a private site or a government run site?
I don't know who controls the internet so to speak.
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so is it the ICANN systen that gets changed or what exactly?
Or what does it all mean?
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LOL, I started to answer and then
realized that I would have to write a book.
This is about the simplest explanation of DNS that I could find offhand:
[video:https://youtu.be/dE4rsNuG0aw]
Simply, what ICANN will be doing is assigning or disallowing names to those IP numbers. There is a cost for that, by the way.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
ICANN has been doing this all along, so MAYBE it won't be so
bad. But I don't know how much the government has been regulating prices or whatnot. The original article linked at the top says we won't notice any change. Promises, promises.
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It is true that they have actually been doing
the work, but becasue they were contracted by the government to do so, they had all the funding they needed. What happens now? Have any details been changed now that there will not be government oversight? What is the next step?
It said "most" would not notice differences. 49%, therefore, could, and would that smaller percentage be those who will see efforts to limit their Internet presence? Who knows? Obviously, i am not very trustful of the government's motives in this case (or any).
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
That 'privatization' of the
That 'privatization' of the publicly owned internet, beginning with control of the Domain Name System, doubtless makes it easy for various corporate/billionaire interests to ensure that the public cannot access sites/information they'd rather not be available to the relative poors. They can, at the least, simply deny such access to the public.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Look how upset people get over a few emails.
I am sure it would be in the interest of public health to make sure that people cannot access that information or anything from whistleblowers. It is parental protection for errant children.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
WhoIs sites can be run by anyone to
perform database searches of domain names. The only real difference is that some have more access and other have less access to all the database information.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Off the cuff I'm not that worried
Domain names are, after all, a global resource so there's something to be said for coming up with some consortium. Depending on how it's set up, it could either be just fine or a pricey mess.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
My concerns are mostly in regard to
is this the tip of the iceberg? Are there more shoes to drop? Shoes that would stomp on our current Internet freedoms.
Just as a guess, I would go with pricey mess.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Should have read the C|Net article in full
What it says is that the government will hand the control over to ICANN completely. What was the government control before? it said something like ICANN iw a non-for profit private organization. Will it be now a for profit private organization. So, what can they do, rise their prices for your DNS name? No, don't write a book. I have a couple ... in a box.... still it doesn't explain what exactly the government is doing. At least it doesn't explain it for the "little people".
https://www.euronews.com/live
ICANN will remain a nonprofit. However, that
does not mean that it cannot be influenced by donors. They have actually been ding the same work for quite some time. The difference now is that it will no longer be doing "contract" work for the government, but its own which also means that it will have to become self-funding. I am (pretty) sure that the government will continue to fund it, but the doors are open now for outside influence.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
The foundations
are already controlled by the corporations.
Where the government needs to step in is the fairness of the controlling parties.
Good luck with that as the corporation already controls the government.
They'll do as they damn well please.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
It would appear the the government is
stepping out of the picture in case there are any "discrepancies" or issues that it will not look like the gov't itself was involved. Optics. Smoke and mirrors.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
So this is a sneaky way to deregulate the internet?
"New and Improved" is cost reduced for the manufacturer, meaning price increases for the end-user. It's going to get like cell phone network competition? That is very opaque. And location-specific. But "they" never tell us that. Seems too like NSA would have power here. Ruh-Ro.
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Why am I not surprised to find this little tidbit?
In an article in which this question,"Does the United States have an exceptional role in managing the Internet?" is asked, the response, in part, is:
From a 2015 article about the upcoming transition, there is this word of warning:
Corporate accountability?
Then there is this interesting article about some of ICANN's previous decisions that includes this statement:
While ICANN has been in operation for a long time (1998) with little meddling from the US government, being associated with the Clintons just gives me a bad feeling. Many of the objections voiced regarding the transition were generally brushed aside in the white paper issued by the Clinton administration. I cannot help thinking that the timing of this has something to do with the TPP.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
WildDancer13, this article gives some explanations
about what the internet is and who owns what. So may be it helps to get a grasp what it would mean, if you say "the government hands over Internet's Naming system".
Anatomy of the Internet. There is a table in the article I can't download or embed here, but at least it gives an overview of who owns and controls what "on the internet'.
To me the whole site/ebook would be a good read, imo.
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I have been using the Internet since the 1980s when
it was all DOS and BBSs. My first modem was a whopping 2400 bps serial modem. I am not currently in need of a refresher of how it works, or its history.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
no, but your readers might, this was not meant to be
a "hinting" comment directed at you, more or less a hint for all those, who don't have your background and history. Unless this site's readers are all old school internet users from the eighties (I am a web user since 1996 without having ever looked at it as a technical person, who runs servers, hosts sites, I never was a pogrammer or coder aside from basic html and some unix shell scripting ...etc). I am not sure whom you address.
I hope we don't have all to be ashamed to NOT know what you might know. In any case, if I have stepped on your toes, I apologize.
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The comment was specifically addressed to me,
so I understood it to be for me rather than for other readers.
The general population has no more idea of how the Internet works than they have of what makes their cars run. It is a tool to be used, not understood, and that works fine for most people.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
ok, I understand now why you took it personally,
will try to pay better attention of how I post my comments.
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Just adking, do you have a GUI of the hub of the current net?
Cornell was one of the DARPA hubs, big cold rooms with servers. My current ISP (not Cornell) is a second-tier phone company and I get feelers from big web sires indicating I am in a zip code 50 miles east. Clunky, yes. Not (or are) IDing my server.
I would be interested in current lines, or is satellite all now?
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I have been up all night again, so am having a bit
of a problem understanding your question.
A GUI is a graphical user interface (like the desktop of your computer).
A hub could refer to an in home way to create network of computers connected to a single device that allows them to share information. It could also refer to Internet Exchange Points (IEP) which are owned by network service providers and provide the route from where you are to where you are going on the Internet. This map shows the various IEPs.
As to your IP address showing a location 50 miles from where your computer is, the most likely explanation is that IP locators are not very accurate:
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I am just a baby from the 80's with computers, WD
but for some time there were (presumably fiberoptic) lines drawn in a clever subway-like diagrams of the US, and the major hubs. Not good sleep here, moon again in windows. Rest well.
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While not a map, this provides a
list of all providers that are currently offering fiber optics and the communities they serve. And this article has broadband services listed by state and city. I hope they help.
No rest for the wicked. = ) My usual pattern when this happens is that I will now be awake for between 24 to 36 hours (rarely any more do I go beyond that). I have curtains that completely block light which may help with your moon problem. They are not too expensive, but they are at Wal-Mart, though you can probably find them online..
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
8 windows, including 3 clerestories, a large sum
but I appreciate dark rooms, just not for walking through. Hope you get some rest, WD.
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LOL, that brought back some memories.
My mother used to rearrange the living room furniture all the time. It made it very difficult (and painful) as a teen to sneak back in at night. = )
The curtains are $25 for two panels (one window) for the longest sets. I bought mine one set a month. There are also just the backings that can be attached to current curtains. Look up blackout curtains at Wal-Mart.
Thanks! I will...eventually.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I'm sure any privatization of the 'net is for the benefit of
The People. Obviously has nothing to do with control, profit, and power for the oligarchs.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Personally, I cannot afford any more
government "benefits." Next they will be wanting to give me an all-expense paid trip to a Bay in Cuba.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
The Internet was invented by us.
Web browsing was also invented by us, most of us didn't really expect the commercialization of the internet to become a thing. I actually gave talks about the dismal future of the likes of Compuserve, and pointed out the huge numbers of us that were having a good time putting up content and providing services for free. But "market forces" just fucked it all up.
What can I say? Maybe if we had just not bothered to cater to the non-coders "out there" you-all would have not transformed our plaything into this graphical-interfaced-monster that has attracted so much attention.