NBC Poll: Do You Want Bernie Sanders Back In The Race?
Submitted by fred_mertz on Mon, 08/15/2016 - 3:38pm
Well, well, well. Looks like the MSM is trying to spice things up a bit from the dull Bataan Death March to November.
Hopefully, this poll can't be freeped. I have a couple of Twitter pals I'd like to share it with. 
http://nbcpoll.com/nbc-poll-want-bernie-sanders-back-race/
Go Feel The Bern!
Comments
Okay, the comments are
a bit raunchy. People hide behind their keyboards and say the most horrific things. So sad.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Yes, but
those are write in votes. They're bad, but I got to hand it to them, h4x0r5 ru13
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
81% for Bernie
I cast my vote along with the 81% for Bernie so far.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
82% when I saw it. And there
82% when I saw it. And there are probably a million or so dollars-worth of Hillary trolls cruising to discourage any suggestion of this, as President Bernie gives life - and peace - a chance.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
No Trolls Yet
I just voted and it's still 82% wanting Bernie back in the race.
As anything BUT a Democrat?
Sure.
As a Democrat?
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bikl9-OPPmA]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Agreed.
The democrapic party is dead to me.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Yup
Going to let even Tim Canova dangle.
Unsubscribed from Bernie's newsletter today. Reason: "#DemExit"
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
Done
I saw this,poll being promoted on FB but...
After I voted I saw some pretty damn disgusting sub comments and THEN as is the new FB way a bunch of articles supposedly about this poll popped up... Didn't open any of the. But they all seemed to claim this poll is NOT a legitimate NBC poll at all but a scam to collect names and emails (???)
Orwell was an optimist
It ain't NBC for sure...
The domain is registered private with Go-Daddy and is on a Go-Daddy Server...
I don't know about e-mails I didn't give mine to vote...
But I like the results...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
It's just click bait
Yup, we've been trolled
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll782022x5087a8b0-31
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
Even if it is real
it's just another scam to stir shit up during the lull before Labor day,Oh well what the hell I voted for Bernie anyway.
Yeah, I saw the "not legitimate" too ...
... but I took a look at the about and the rest of the polls, and decided it probably was OK. Obviously not scientific sampling at all, but I think probably something that news or entertainment puts up for random clickbait.
More interesting to me that people were taking the time to say the site wasn't legit. I didn't see that evidence, though I didn't look very deeply.
Use caution: here is some whois data to chew on.
Looks anything *but* legit: I suspect a shitstirrer here. Created 6/20/16. Scroll to the last two lines, and you'll see that this does not look like anything NBC is likely to touch- nor would NBC be very likely to use GoDaddy for their actual hosting. Anyway, I took a look and found that "Kizlar in Turkey" is an adult site...
IP Address of Nbcpoll is 198.71.233.17
Hostname: nbcpoll.com
IP Address: 198.71.233.17
Host of this IP: ip-198-71-233-17.ip.secureserver.net
Organization: GoDaddy.com, LLC
ISP/Hosting: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Updated: 08/10/2016 09:56 PM
City: Scottsdale
Country: United States
State: Arizona
Postal Code: 85260
Timezone: America/Phoenix
Local Time: 08/15/2016 03:47 PM
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Nbcpoll.com Reverse IP | Websites on the same Webhosting
We found 2 hostnames for IP Address 198.71.233.17
1 kizlarinturkey.com
2 nbcpoll.com
You got it ...
... so now, we have to run whois on every page we see. Much better fake than the abc one was a couple of days ago. I'll forward this one over to NBC as well.
This cracked me up.
I supposed I laughed because it titles the picture in my head, when I read for mood here.
I started looking, this week, at the three constituent groups who have been ejected from the Democratic tent. Their sheer size is just astonishing. Clearly, the Party Bosses believe that they can beat any risk they are taking by alienating these demographic groups.
It's easy to see why they got rid of the Left, the Millennials, and the American Workers. These are the most likely demographics to revolt from within when the Democratic Party Boat set sails and then drops anchor at the very location where the Republican Ship sank. They're not anchoring in the middle of the political ocean, but waaay over there, in the Gulf of Barry Goldwater.
They gambled that these three demographic groups — the Left, the Millennials, and the American Workers — have nowhere else to go.
They calculated that none of the three groups have media influence and their internet presence is limited or lost in facebook.
They gambled that the people in these groups do not have the courage or cohesion to fight the Party or pull its plug.
They calculate that many of the disenfranchised will come back to the now, Neopublican Party, because they want to be on the team that wins, no matter what.
They gambled that the rest, wouldn't bother to vote or would piss their votes away on fantasy candidates who have zero impact in the present moment.
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I'm not convinced the party will come out ahead on that gamble. Not yet. Any one of the three groups is large enough to throw the election if they wanted to. But it's the American workers that intrigue me most. They have held the power in nearly every US election — and now they have disappeared? Where are they?
Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" said in a recent interview, "If anyone but an imbecile was running for the Republican Presidency, Hillary would be in a lot of trouble."
I think Frank over estimates the American people. Or, is it under?
I, for one, am looking forward to the debate between the two most loathed presidential candidates in American history.
Oh, and about polls. I think polls are worse that useless in 2016. They are an elaborate practical joke, and I would hate to be Nate Silver when he interprets them. Although, he's intuitive, too. Surely he would agree with me: "Everyone is lying to the pollsters." This poll is a very good example of that.
I love it when that happens.
They weren't Gambling...
They were going with what their projections indicated would be the best course of action in order for them to PERSONALLY make lots and lots of money.
Kowtowing to Corporate slime is a fast and easy way to do that. Isn't long term sustainable, of course, but at that point, they figure they'll be dead and it'll be somebody else's problem.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
True, that. It's always about money or resources.
Every single bit of the intrigue, every loose thread, every transitional mystery in the elections so far could be solved by following the money. Except for how the people voted.
At that level of money, the amounts are abstract. An entire professional staff handles the money, oversees investments, and books lucrative Board seats or speaking engagements, and manages whatever passes for "work". At that level, it is really all about the circle of the elite at the very top where they are welcome. It's about being one of them and protecting the circle, and finding the warmth of their approval. They are the overlords.
The people below are the throw-away people.
They're planning on rigging
They're planning on rigging the General the way they rigged the Dem Primary - blatantly.
Who needs voters when you can make up your own vote counts?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It's a lot harder to rig the general
because both sides know all the ratf*cking tricks to play, and there will be armies of lawyers on both sides in critical precincts. Neither side will let the other outright steal on a massive scale, like the primaries.
Define "critical precincts"
and which lawyers/candidates you are referring to.
Not for nothin', but I can't help myself, I have to fix this for you:
Because the Republicans have been doing it for years now, and thus are surely better at it by now. So....someone's math isn't going to work out, if both parties are trying to cheat. Right?
Sure, the Republicans are a little ahead
... or so we thought, but I have no doubt that Dems have learned from being on the wrong side of things since 2000. Plus, you've got to hand it to them ... we're pretty sure something statistically weird happened during the primaries that didn't happen on the R side.
Remember, not all that long ago, it was the Dems that were expert at this kind of thing: we certainly would have had a President Nixon a lot earlier than we did without Chicago, and may never have had a Senator LBJ unless he learned to cheat better than his opponents.
The Republicans are a LOT ahead
though they tend to be on the same "side" when it comes to Hillary. So who knows? All I know is that they've been monkeying around with scanning and software and code in the back end. It's been clear for awhile.
Anything pre-Bush/Gore would seem to be irrelevant, since the scanners weren't in use before that. Stealing ballots was a whole differerent prior to that...
Trump gearing up with poll watchers.
I don't remember where, but I saw in news somewhere that Trump is recruiting for volunteer watchers at the polling places. He seems to be expecting some tricks. I don't know enough about how the electronic machines work, but would that stop the hackers? Or can they still hack from off-site?
Trump is more worried about voter ID
and a probably little bit of harassment. More like voter suppression.
The onsite people will be watching the electronic voting machines along with the plug in memory cards that count the votes, carefully protecting chain of custody. I know that in cases of fraud, new cards were somehow inserted into machines midway through voting or the audit logs that are supposed to detail who accesses the data on them and when were missing timestamped log records (indicating someone tampered with the contents in a now unknowable way). More problematic are field updates to the actual firmware that runs the machines, which may change the algorithms used to adjust vote counts internally (think Volkswagen diesels, or play one for you, two for me). Some of these machines are network connected, so you can imagine code being distributed to all without onsite people being the wiser.
I haven't completely read this report, but if you're interested, here's what Election Justice USA is saying about the Dem primary. The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is that in precincts that used electronic voting machines without paper trails, Clinton greatly overperformed her polling, in some cases by double digits. Note that even machines with paper trails can be hacked.
http://electionjustice.net/democracy-lost-a-report-on-the-fatally-flawed...
We should also watch "hacking democracy" if we really want to know the full extent to which things can be screwed with.
https://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Democracy-Bev-Harris/dp/B000MKXF28
thnx for link
Yes, I read that 8 part series over at CounterPunch during the primaries, and it was upsetting. The new stuff since the primary, I haven't dug into yet. FYI, at one time there were 3 or so different studies being talked about in various threads and I put them all into the same essay for easier reference. You've probably read them, but it was easy to find that old post and here it is:
http://caucus99percent.com/content/statistical-electoral-fraud-reports-4...
excellent, thanks ...
You know, this
"sounds* really good, but it doesn't say anything:
"Watching the machines" isn't going to stop theft of ballots.
Seriously? You even say this a few sentences later:
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Nobody will be "watching" the ballots to ensure "hacking" isn't going on. There's no way to see it in action from the physical location of the machine.
We need the un-named people who will be watching the un-seeable to identify themselves, so at least we'll know they showed up. I guess.....?
dupl
It's a lot harder to rig the
But is this actually between two separate corporate/billionaire-run Parties or something coordinated among the most powerful among the TPTB determined to con the people of the world into believing that their democracy/right of domestic law can be sold off to self-interests in private 'trade'-labeled agreements made by whoever happens to be temporarily holding public office?
Wall St/banksters, the corporate propaganda-media, the fossil fuel/GMO industries and other polluters seem to all want Hillary, who promoted the Bush-initiated TPP, along with fracking, around the world and who has already promised lots of lovely 'war' (attack and invasion of countries not knuckling under to be economically subjugated into literal serfdom via 'trade deals') since the other favorite corporate/billionaire reps (Bush, Rubio and Chris Christie, if I recall correctly) were all very obviously refused by Republican voters.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I agree that polls are totally useless this time
way too many moving parts to depend on what worked before. There are tectonic plates shifting around, and I think it's difficult to predict with confidence how things are going to shake out.
I also think pissing off the millennials was a fundamental mistake that will come to haunt the Dems. They thought they had midterm issues before! I'm beginning to think the new alignment will be establishment vs the rest of us: kinda how this site started. It's going to involve the 99% (probably in reality the 90%) on both sides finding common ground against the common enemy.
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YES 58244 82%
NO 12272 17%
Other 709 1%
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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Three things
1) It is freepable.
2) The comments are an embarrassment to our society
3) Why even ask this question? It's like asking if I want the tooth fairy to give back my baby teeth. It doesn't matter what answer I give, it's not going to change anything.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
current Poll result
Do You Want Bernie Sanders Back In The Race ?
YES
59969
82%
NO
12335
17%
Other
719
1%
GoDaddy, huh?
They suck big-time. All too familiar with them.
I didn't waste my time or energy. Figured someone(s) were bored with the real nasty dog days of summer. h/t climate change. Rec'd!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Go-Daddy Sux I agree...
I took me several years to get over the fact that I didn't have to check to see if my server was up 200 times a day...
I was a master at monitoring server load, and optimizing my database, along with restarting my server...
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I migrated all my sites to another hosting company and lived happily ever after...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Interesting
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.