Jill not Hill
Two articles today show Jill Stein campaign picking up steam.
It explains the hit pieces on TOP.
Polls after DNC look good for Jill
Polls released after the 2016 Democratic National Convention look good for Jill Stein. The Green Party candidate appears to be attracting support from Bernie supporters after their candidate was officially knocked out of the race at this year’s convention. Despite Bernie Sanders himself endorsing Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, many of his supporters still refuse to give their backing to the party’s candidate, instead deciding to look outside of the party and to a third party candidate.According to the People’s Pundit Daily, Green Party candidate Jill Stein is slowly picking up support for her 2016 campaign, with a lot of that support coming at the expense of Hillary Clinton. Recent polling was conducted before and after the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia last week, showing many of Bernie Sanders’ supporters swinging towards Jill Stein after their candidate endorsed Hillary Clinton at the convention, telling his supporters that they must now give their full support to Clinton.
However, many of Bernie’s supporters don’t appear to have taken his words to heart. Whilst Hillary Clinton has managed to maintain 94.4% of voters who cast their ballot for her in the primaries earlier this year, only 47.7% of those who voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries are certain that they’ll cast their vote in support of Clinton.
Surveys over the last six weeks have found a steady but noticeable jump in support for third-party candidates. The biggest beneficiary has been Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, who has shot up from 4.5 percent to 7.2 percent in RealClearPolitics polling averages. Green Party candidate Jill Stein has also seen an uptick since June — from 2.5 percent to 3.5 percent.The surge in support for a third-party candidate is adding a new element of unpredictability into the presidential race. Should voters opt for a third-party candidate in large numbers, it could potentially tip the scales in crucial battleground states.
Pollsters and political scientists say the deep malcontent with Clinton and Trump should give both candidates pause.
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Clearly an outlier!
Because EVERYBODY knows 95% of Bernie Bros are actually reasonable people who will properly kowtow to her royal worshipfullness ...
And why am I standing in an empty room talking to myself?
/snark
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
They'll keep repeating their 90% fantasy number
... until Hillary bleeds away her convention bounce and once again trails Trump. Bleeding support is the one thing she's really good at, aside from grifting and influence peddling.
Once Hillbots finally figure out that they've screwed the pooch with Bernie supporters, the frantic guilt-tripping is going to require butterfly nets to put them in padded rooms.
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If they truly believed the 90% number
they wouldn't bother with the hit pieces.
I think they think they believe it
But the cognitive dissonance required to repeat so many conflicting propaganda lines, many obviously at odds with the truth, creates strains that are impossible to hide.
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I'm just gonna drop this here...
And laugh and laugh and laugh.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Bouncing down the stairs
Lots more stairs to come. I hope they enjoy their slide into irrelevance. By February of next year or so this site might even be surpassing them, after all the paid Hillbots find other jobs.
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Looks like their number one diarists is
"Look what someone else wrote at the NYT" by teacherken. LOL. He sure made a move up by chasing off all of his betters.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
It is nice not to have to read teacherken
relentlessly promoting his worthless diaries. I stopped reading him very early in my long stay at TOP.
One residual concern is that Marcos is probably still considered a "progressive" by the MSM, and he may well find his reward in a higher profile.
I cringe at the thought of Marcos representing the "progressive view" to millions. Is there any way we can rip his progressive credentials from him before that happens?
Thanks! I still think it's a
Thanks! I still think it's a sad waste of a once-excellent political information/discussion site, but it did provide me with a giggle.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well....
When your only tool is a hammer....
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
You know, it must be tiresome and unhealthy
to be a full-on Hillary supporter. They're told that Bernie supporters are misogynist, chair throwing, anti-Semitic, naïve, Bernie Bros, unrealistic Commies who want free stuff. Now that she has the nomination, they're told that these very same people are good citizens in the war to stop Trump and over 90% of them are on board for Her Royal Heinous. Cognitive Dissonance aplenty.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
No or bad humor
They ignore the undertoad (TY, John Irving!). Said toad is busy swimming away. [very poor toad year, not too many young-uns]
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Tipped
(or rec'd or thumbs up) for the undertoad. That was a big family favorite around my house as a young 'un. Mom and Dad were huge readers. Irving was a favorite, not too far behind Vonnegut.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Watch out for the undertoad! :) nt
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Her Royal Heinous.
I like that!
The two most unpopular major party candidates in history
Who could have predicted that third party candidates would start to look good to people? (/Condi)
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Just found this in my inbox:
Just found this in my inbox:
(Poll graphic doesn't copy: Jill at 44.44%, Trump at 20.9, Hillary at 20.2%)
I know we did kinda mob that, but there probably aren't that many people here who saw the post - and Jill had better be braced for the same reaction Bernie got for scoring high among the better-informed on internet polls.
And Indies outnumber the Dems and the Repubs, both of which offer psychopathic nominees who are anathema to sane voters knowing anything of them at all.
YESSSSS!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I got it too but
The Greens are still on the ballot in only twenty three states, according to the email. Several state deadlines (August 1) have passed. It takes years to gear up against the Hillary machine and Jill is largely an unknown among the general populace of voters. I'm hoping she gets to participate in the GE debates, if the two clowns running even hold debates. With Trump, he'd be way out of his depth; with Clinton, there's the risk of being caught lying, which she can't control.
I have seen maps in a Stein group that suggest
only a few target states left for signatures. Many others can be done by write-in, theoretically possible, but...
IIRC, OK is the only one not possible. Hope springs eternal.
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Hillary wants Tea-GOP votes
Hillary is throwing away progressives and Independents on the theory that anti-Trump Tea-GOPers will vote for her. The same people who hated her passionately for 25 years. Good luck with that!
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
If people can't be convinced
If people can't be convinced that the election is close, the
cheat'win' won't look convincing and may be challenged. So she's desperately trying to convince the people that no matter what she says, does and is, a majority can be conned into voting for Wall St/banksters, the intertwined fossil fuel/petrochemocal/GMO industries, the MIC, etc. to run the country under the ground while destroying any chance life on Earth had to survive.Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Trump likes to litigate
So if he loses will he take all the data gathered during this primary on the dem side and start a legal process complete with discovery? And what will it look like? Will he be able to get anywhere where everybody else has been stymied?
glitterscale
The 90% fallacy
No way in Hades are 90% of Berners voting for Medusa. I believe, and have believed for months that if 50% of registered Dems (pre-CONvention) leave the party, the Dems will be irrevocably split in half. Whether DemExiters go Green, vote Orangeface, vote Johnson, or simply stay home, the party may be weakened for years if not destroyed. The legacy and the stink of DWS lingers on.
But they don't need our stinin' votes...
They made their own this spring.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
More like 69%
link
I wonder how those numbers might change
if Nina Turner accept the Vice Presidential slot on the Green Party. Many Sanders supporters very much identify with Nina and I firmly believe that she would give the Greens a huge boost. As for me, the Greens are on the ballot in Florida, so that is where my vote will go.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I believe that Nina has declined Jill's offer.
Instead, Stein has chosen human rights activist Ajamu Baraka as her VP.
http://www.jill2016.com/jill_stein_selects_ajamu_baraka_as_vp
Thanks I did not know that (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Holy guacamole!
This is even more ground breaking and glass ceiling breaking! A monumental first in American presidential politics!
Stein has added a Bald American to the ticket! With a beard no less!
Identity politics spanning all races, all classes, all ethnicities.
Today, as every day, I'm proud to be Green.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I looked into Ajamu Baraka in video and print.
I posted what I found on fb [Linda Featheringill] and on twitter [@featheredsprite].
I think the guy comes across as an intellectual radical, or maybe a radical intellectual. How is that going to play on the campaign circuit? Also, I'm not entirely sure he can be for people who aren't black. Can he accept a truly heterogenous nation?
Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with this choice but maybe I'll become more accepting of him with more exposure.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
(grin)
that's amazing, if you read with whom she
talked about a VP position (Hedges, could have also been Cornell West, ant others) this choice is telling and radical in a positive way.
https://www.euronews.com/live
gg you are always spot on
not sure nina is key here, think maybe green/progressive is where we are going anyway. sure wish ol' bern went that way too. We'll see.
Your panda-hug ice avatar is beautifully sad.
Somewhat Asian mindview I think.
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These sad facts & realities ...
...always come back to haunt us. Oy. I think I'm too old now to see the change in my lifetime.
If you are like I feeling old, just jump in! Plenty to wail at.
It has been energizing for depressive eeyore me. Think of the youngers, they appreciate our background work.
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This is the inevitable result of Hillary's own strategy.
a.k.a. "Disqualify, defeat, unify." This is very similar to what they did in 2008, minus the blatant rigging from the DNC. They used every dirty trick in the book to try to win during the primaries with the belief that they could unify the party later. Even back then, I don't think the unity line would have worked, given that Hillary essentially started the birther nonsense and talked about Obama being assassinated before the convention, among many other vile things. This time, however, it's definitely not going to happen because so much of Bernie's base was made up of first time voters and independents. To quote Anonymous, we don't forgive and we certainly don't forget.
The Clinton campaign thinks that we're stupid. They think that they can treat us like crap for 7+ months, continue the abuse through the convention, and that one day we'll wake up, forgive them, and vote for Hillary because we have no other choice. I think that they're slowly realizing that that's not the case. The attacks from both the media and online against Bernie supporters is overwhelming, yet nobody is folding. Nobody is giving up and saying, "Fine, I'll vote for Hillary." That dogged insistence that we will not vote for her has to be one reason why the Democrats are counting on the "Never Trump" Republicans to support Hillary. However, aside from the neocons, I honestly don't know of any conservatives that are. Can you honestly see Hillary getting the values voters? Or the blue collar vote? Or the religious right? I sure as hell can't. She's losing with the military and definitely won't get gun owners after everything she said in the primaries. What Republican group is left for her to pick up?
They only reason some people forgave her in 2008
is because Obama put her in his administration. Otherwise, everyone would have been feeling about her then the way they do now.
It feels like
being cheated on continuously by your spouse because they know that you won't leave them. Fuck that. The Democrats cheated, lost me, and I'm not ready to make nice.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Just wait a second there about the Hillary bounce
Of those alleged 69% of Berners who will vote for Clinton, I would bet that a good measure of them will opt Green if Nina is on the ticket. Plus, let's not forget about the ongoing FOIA lawsuit plus possible RICO action against CGI.
"Support" is not GOTV.
There's a big difference between saying "I certainly will vote for candidate X!" and turning out to vote on Election Day. That's why GOTV exists. That's why pols worry about lack of enthusiasm in supporters. When a pollster asks you, who will you vote for on Election Day? and the choices you know about are Hillary or Trump, it's likely a lot of people will choose Hillary. It's quick and easy.
When you have to make an effort to actually do something, and spend maybe a couple hours doing it? That's different. And every campaign worker knows it.
It's gonna be less than 45% of Berners who go out and actually vote for her. That's my prediction.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
But it won't matter, because
As someone else here said, she can invent all the votes she wants.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Browsing Real Clear Politics Polls
July 17, CNN/ORC, Clinton 42, Trump 38, Johnson 8, Stein 5
Aug 1, CNN/ORC, Clinton 45, Trump 37, Johnson 9, Stein 5
Aug 1, 4 general election polls, Clinton up 4-9 points
July 7, 5 general election polls, Clinton up 9-11, with Rasmussen having Trump up 2.
The conventions changed almost nothing. Clinton's lead is smaller now than it was a month ago.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Nothing like a scientific poll...
But I attended the Maricopa County Greens (Phoenix) meeting on Saturday. Normally they have six to eight people attend. Saturday there were 34. We did an introduction all around and the vast majority were former Berners. These people were all activists itching to start work on Jill's campaign. And they are all people with experience so the ramp up will be much faster than what happened with Bernie. The enthusiasm was palpable. If this is replicated elsewhere, $hill is in big trouble.
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. - e.e.cummings
From your lips to FSM's
From your lips to FSM's noodly appendages!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
And she's still winning!
#usnotClinton
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
That's because the game is not an election.
Everything makes much more sense when one remembers that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
#notwithus!
There!
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I don't know about TOP
But the comments on a Raw Story piece regarding her wi-fi comment are really vicious.
#hillary hate (I just made that tag up maybe) is a real deal
I am doing my best other places to hold the line. Stein if not Sanders.
Let's sweep.
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Yes, Hillary Hate. Yes, Trump Hate, too. But most of all...
Major Media Hate, for ever pretending, let alone broadcasting, that either of these two pathology-laden individuals were fit to rule us.
-And I'd agree, yes, let's sweep, except I'd prefer a sandblaster. One that needs it's own giant truck to feed it.
"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes
I heard Tuimp say
to Bernie Sanders supporters, something like We will welcome you with open arms. I have no, zero, intention of voting for Herr Trumpf, but it would have been nice if Team Clinton could have managed to be gracious as well.
Along with everything else, I just don't like seeing Sen. Sanders disrespected, especially after what he accomplished, It would appear that the Clintonistas did not want new voters brought into the party. I am glad he went back to being an independent.
Mary Bennett