UPDATE: (Things are getting ugly folks) Melania Trump Like You've Never Seen Her Before
Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:44pm
The digging has started for real. Neither side should have any by the time November rolls around. I'd post a pic but I don't know how well that would go over.
EDIT: THIS POST STARTED OUT AS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW BAD THINGS ARE GETTING AND A WARNING THAT THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET MUCH WORSE. And if you can't stand to look at what's on the public news stands then I don't know what to tell you. And why do you people call it 'slut' shaming when none of us even knows if she fits the common definition, or anyone's definition for that matter, of a 'slut'. She's tasteless, but a slut? No.
http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-bef...
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TULSI 2020
I don't judge women who choose to pose nude.
Any more than I judge men who choose to put their lives on the line for a paycheck. (If we're going to go with industries heavily dominated by one sex, at least as far as those that are the "Product".)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Meh
She was 25. At least she hasn't helped create an atmosphere causing hundreds of thousands to flee for their lives, causing countless numbers to die in the process. Pretty sure she never sent thousands of children back to a county she helped make into one of the deadliest in the Western hemisphere.
But yeah, slut! /snark
This is Obscene...
I could understand the jealousy Hillary might have against Trump's model wife and the reason for the attack...
But what it all comes down to...
What Difference Does It Make?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Considering the pushback on a Sexy Hillary Mural...
As detailed in today's open thread...
Clinton obviously considers sex to be a weapon, considering it was used against her husband to great effect.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I am not surprised or interested.
It has nothing to do with me, my life, or my children's futures. As a 25-year-old emigre to this country, I'm sure she did what she felt she should do. Hillary otoh robbed, lied, pillaged and killed. I am sure the media will harp on this until they bury Trump for Hillary. The fact that the media publishing the photos is pretty tacky.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Melania nude; Jill anti-vaxxer
Relax folks. This is a continuation the Hill & Bill psy-ops to destroy political opponents. The absolutely over-the-top theatrics at the Dem convention: rolling out mothers who lost black children, grandmothers representing state delegates nominating Hill with tears in their eyes, Bill on the saxophone (coolness and geriatric sex), NY Senator-to-be Chelsea "talking up her Mom", all those balloons, the teflon-coated, blindingly white pantsuit, the nonstop media barrage of how awesome-historic-long time coming-significant Hill's run is, and She's broken the glass ceiling!!! Contrast the Demopalooza with the ejected Bernie delegates, the wall around the convention center, the surreal forgetting about the 20,000 DNC emails dumped by WikiLeaks, the non-indictable candidate who can kill anybody or do anything and get away with it. But the most amazing thing about the Clintons is their ability to make people forget how disastrous their policies were and will be yet again in their new co-presidency and life-long dictatorship.
Don't forget Bernie the racist, sexist, anti-Semite
The Clinton Machine is disgusting.
this is why I give Trump the benefit of the doubt
I KNOW I am not a racist sexist "privileged" person, but the Democrats called me one for backing Bernie. They called Bernie the same thing. So why should I listen when they call Trump those things? They're name callers. It's what they do. It's monotonous as hell, too.
Twain Disciple
They really are name callers.
You're right. They called me a Bro. Didn't hurt my feelings. My bff in highschool nicknamed me Cunt. (Sorry if that offends anyone. Fwiw, mine for him was Cock. The looks we'd get, too.
)
Too bad the Dems don't Truth Call. If they did, Bernie would be our next prez!
I wouldn't be sorry if it offends someone here.
I'd be amused. Anyone who wants to get offended at the internal pet names of a couple (friends or otherwise) needs to dial down their authoritarianism about 3 notches. Such things are typically loaded with meaning that only the two people in question understand.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Speaking of the anti-semitism, check this out
Utterly nauseating.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4vgwkq/sold_at_yo...
Don't believe everything you think.
OMFG! WTF? Hester!
And this is real? I don't, I'm, I .
Ugh! I'm speechless, and that's hard to do!
It's utterly vile. Just vile. It boggles the mind.
Don't believe everything you think.
Vile , indeed!
It's absolutely unacceptable!
Glad I was never a member of the DNC. One good thing about Texas (other than us, somewhat, normal folks here), we don't have to register with a party, and can vote all the way down the ballot, however we choose.
is Bill's private life fair game?
personally I think it's a lot worse...a LOT.
More important
what Hillary and her crew did to the WOMEN accusing Billy of sexual harassment - that's where the focus will be.
BTW - if in need of a smile, image Hillary in those poses. Now THAT would be funny.
Meanwhile, a 25 year old emigre, did a sexy photo shoot. BFD.
Now she's a 45 year old, poised, elegant, well dressed woman. She was and IS successful in her work, hasn't hurt anyone.
Hillary in those poses
DO. NOT. do so just after consuming a meal, however! /snark
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I freely admit to being a man
I freely admit to being a man...and I'd be interested in seeing a current shoot... a before and after. Probably would show she has taken care of her physical self. Now , mentally...how could someone survive that relationship with a healthy mind!
Please allow me the white privilege of NOT imagining Hillary. But then again...no BODY can be as ugly as her mind, and her actions.
Edited to include:
If an adult woman chooses to model nude??? more power to her. We live in a sick society that is perfectly willing to watch media that shows human beings being shot, stabbed, slashed, thrown from buildings, and being beaten to a bloody pulp. We watch stars have sexual encounters with near full frontal nudity in prime time movies, but hey!!! It is different if it is Halle Berry, or whomever. Then we pretend to be offended by nudity in still shoots. Many Americans are the biggest damn hypocrites and slut shamers in the first degree.
It's like talking to a wall. IT'S NOT THE PICTURES. It is what
we are about to witness. Those pictures are just a start. There won't be a family secret left when this is all over. It's turned into one of the biggest messes I've ever seen and I'm no spring chicken. These pictures are in a major media outlet. You'd probably get a gander at them sooner or later if I hadn't printed a link.
And you did it too. You used the work 'slut'. Where is there any indication that she's a 'slut'? She is just about to be raked over the coals for these pictures and people keep using the word 'slut' in this case. Why? Good grief, she wasn't screwing ten guys in the damn things. i didn't print a picture because I thought it was inappropriate. But there wasn't one person here that didn't go to the link and look, and who wouldn't go look and check them out where ever this subject came up no matter who originated the thread or what ever magazine or media outlet printed the story. You really should know what's going on out there because we most assuredly ain't seen nothin' yet.
She's already been disappeared from the campaign. But this is going to be even worse for the woman than a little plagiarism. Unlike a lot of people I feel sorry for the woman. She's out of her depth, she's got caught lying and stealing from Michelle Obama's speech, and now these pictures. I think the poor woman ended up in a situation that she never dreamed she'd find herself in and every scrap of dirt, every lie, every mistake, every misstep she ever made (big or little) they're all going to be thrown out to the public for everyone to see. And then what? Will that orange ape do?
I know this sounds a lot like "'LEAVE BRITTANY ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE" and that's not what it is really. It's just I feel sorry for her.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I'm thinking it's not a good idea to post stuff like that here.
I'm thinking you'd best pay attention because I don't think
that it's Rinse Penis and the Republican's who are pushing this shit. And if posting what's all over the front page of a NY tabloid is offensive to you, I sure hope someone pre-reads everything for you so your delicate sensibilities aren't offended. THIS IS THE 2016 election for president and THIS is what kind of filthy mess it's turning into. And one woman so far is being raked over the coals and having her whole life made into a dirty joke where even here people are using the word 'slut'. People are trying to get to the Trump bastard through a poor woman who probably never dreamed she'd be put in this position.
You should see it to demand that she not be treated that way. You should see it and DEMAND that this attempt to destroy the families of candidates is off limits. You should see it and DEMAND that we get down to this issues that really affect this country. These 'pictures' sure will take people's mind off Shill's little problems for a while. And I'm sure they'll keep digging until they find something else.
This is the absolute worst election of my lifetime.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I read your original post.
I know exactly what went down.
All those comments made before your extensive editorial rehab were based on the way it was originally presented, as a Trump hate piece.
Yeah, it was real crappily posted the first time around.
That's the history. This story has gotten even worse than the one I posted and again, all notoriety is aimed HER way. Not the kids, not at anyone else but her. The new 'expose' is more provocative than the other and absolute overkill considering what they did to the woman the first time around. The first time around was bad enough, but now the same rag is really piling on and by the time they're done with her they'll have it all HER fault as to why he lost the election, not because of the incredibly cruel and ignorant things he says and does.
This poor woman is stuck in a mess that she has no control over and I do not see anyone defending her from the Trump campaign or family. And whoever is digging this stuff up now is a real asshole. And probably a Team Clinton asshole at that. And after all this is over she'll be the only one out of the bunch who will ended up suffering the worst from that orange freak show's ego trip.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Pluto's Republic, I agree
There's nothing wrong with the photos, I see a young model trying to make a living. The media trying to exploit them is cheap.
To thine own self be true.
I'm sorry Amanda, I was more
I'm sorry Amanda, I was more or less agreeing with you. I was not calling her a slut, I was re-iterating your message. What does a the personal life of a spouse, before she was married to a candidate have to do with anything?
I am tired of this country endorsing constant brutality as a mainstream form of entertainment, but have a giant hissy fit if a naked breast is shown. We are taught to be ashamed of our bodies from childhood. That is my reference to "slut " shaming. We are all subject to it in this far to prudish victorian, uber violent society. We are all of the same species, we all have pretty much the same pieces. Why, oh why are we told to be ashamed of ourselves??
You know what? This thread made me so angry I was
stupid. I didn't articulate clearly what my gripe was in the OP, I guess it was hard to tell that I'm really really pissed that they're (we're) going to this level. Like I said, she probably ended up in a mess that's way over her head (it sure as hell would be for most of us) and being married to a maniac can't be all that great, and she's making mistakes. I don't think the Republicans are putting out this crap. It's gotta to be some democratic organization. Sheesh, we should be finding out who's doing this kink of stuff.
I apologize for starting this thing off on the wrong foot. I thought "look at what depths" was kind of a tip of. OR whatever it was. It's just that this poor woman shouldn't be main everybody's target,
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
omg, as if
going to isla de child fucking somehow counts against one's personal cred. who do you think you are, accuser?
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What Bill got away with is much worse
Another poster here has already commented about how Bill flew on Jeff Epstein's jet when he was having sex with underaged girls.
He only served 13 months in prison, but the more heinous part of the plea deal was that the coconspirators who flew with him were not charged.
This country's justice system is so fucked up when a group of powerful men get away with knowing that a sexual predator is raping underaged girls and not reporting it to the authorities.
That is much worse than modeling nude.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Whether or not Bill is worse or his private life is fair game...
…the past 25 years have been spent gossiping about an American President's penis. Tens of million of dollars have been spent dwelling in his underpants looking for clues, and untold hours of broadcast time has been spent discussing Mister Clinton's johnson.
Much to the mirth of the world.
I guess that makes all of us Republicans, now.
Hmmmmm.
Maybe it's just me thinking this, and I certainly have no right to speak for the site as a whole, but as one participant, one participant who hopes c99p becomes a significant platform for important topics and discussion, I would hope that c99ers would try to keep this kind of extraneous stuff -- stuff that tabloids relish because tabloid readers with more lust than brains do -- at some distance. There are real issues to discuss, life-and-death stuff that a few nudie poses are not. I mean, it's hardly news that Trump likes models, that models pose, or that the Post likes nudie shots, and none of these will alter the universe as much as a butterfly's wingbeat. Let's cover that wingbeat (while there are still butterflies to beat wings) and more significant things.
Definitely pass on posting a pic, please. We're not the Post or Huffpo. Imho. Or maybe I'm just being an old stick-in-the-mud.
I explained upstream why I posted it.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
She was a model; big deal.
Besides, Have you seen what runway models are wearing (or not wearing) this season? And Melania was never a runway model. Plus, modeling is a sordid business anyways.
Besides, it's not like "wardrobe malfunction" and topless pictures of kate Middleton aren't out there. do they make her unfit to be queen?
The only private life sex related info I care about
when it comes to politicians is in cases where they're accused of rape, molestation or other abuse. Anything else, including whether they've done porn, had affairs, attended swing parties, engage in BDSM, watersports or like to wear diapers is none of or business. It's completely irrelevant.
And I don't care about any of it with respect to their spouses or families. This kind of simultaneously lurid and prudish focus on pols' and their spouses' sex lives is in my opinion one of the worst characteristics of American politics.
Here here!!
most excellent comment Lefty
I vote for everyone to go naked,in public even, if they so wish
BUT these are the people who had conniptions because Michelle Obama wears sleeveless dresses. And criticized her teen daughters for wearing dresses above the knee. Hipocrisy makes my angry. But then that's the way Republicans are.
One thing I found interesting: I saw the photos last night on the NY Post web edition and they have been unconditionally for Trump so either they had a falling out or Trump is pimping Melania.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Gross, lol. Please no!
I vote for clothing optional safe places. Safe as in, my eyes are safe if I stay away! I'm glad we have clothes. They protect my eyes, and my backside when I sit.
I had forgotten about the criticism of the Obamas. Maybe he (Trump) is pimping the pics.
Edited to add Trump in last sentence so as not to imply Obama.
I say that
but the day everybody goes "nekked" is the day I stop using public transportation.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
There is a reason why I haven't visited a Nudist Resort...
I envision too many people just like me walking around...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Exactly! n/t
shit,
i'm naked right now!
WHAT DO WE NOT DO IN THE HOUSE???
(pants!)
DAAAT'S RITE.
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Well, that's bound to get Trump a few more votes.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Let's have a war with Russia
because Melania posed nude?
Nope, not buying it.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Well finally --
Ted Cruz has something to which he can pleasure himself.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I don't find Melania offensive at all, she has a beautiful
body and posed nude - so what. AAAAArnold put his junk on display and the Republicans thought he would make a fine president, even though he was a womanizing a**hole, who had an illegitimate child with his housekeeper that stayed in the home with his wife and four other children. All they had to do was amend the Constitution to allow a foreign-born jackass to be nominated, they were all about it.
Here's the picture I find offensive..................Hillary in the white pants suit going after the evangelicals...
http://stylenews.people.com/style/2016/07/29/hillary-clinton-white-pants...
Here's Tammy Bakker in her white suit:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/us/22bakker.html?_r=0
A little more eye makeup, Hillary's there, and just about as ethical.
I said she looked like a tv preacher in it.
Now I know which one.
Clinton hit machine in action
Distract from the issues...like she cheated to gain the nomination. And she should win because T-RUMP!
They are not our friends.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Well, that's a discussion for another day
but non beautiful bodies should not be offensive either. So Melania's naked body is not offensive because it beautiful. It's not offensive because it's her body and she can choose to show it or not.
PS maybe you did not mean it that way but as an older woman I feel very strongly about this. My body is just as beautiful now as it was 40-50 yrs ago and it has nothing to do with perky boobs or a flat belly.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
I think this might be a response to me
When I said, "gross", I was thinking of seeing the people I know, naked.
I don't care if a person is old, young, fat, skinny. I can see naked people if I choose to. I'm not a fan of public nudity UNLESS the public has the option to NOT have to see it. (That's why I'm glad the photos were not posted here.)
Above, you said you'd vote for anyone to be naked in public if they so choose. I'm okay with that unless I'm forced to see it.
I'm pushing 50. At 25 I was pregnant, but at 23 or 24, I took some nude pics. Most were really good, imo. Still, nobody else was forced to see it as it was a secluded spot. I never would have accepted that spot had anyone else been around.
I'm not like you. I know I have no business in a bikini anymore. I also know I can't carry a tune in a bucket, so I don't sing in public either. So there's that.
And no, I didn't mean to imply only young people should be naked. Gross lol!
P.S. implants are perky for a very long time; just sayin'.
I'm an older woman, too...........................
and I didn't mean it that way. Nobody is offering to take professional nude photos of people our age, that's a given.
Don't go looking for trouble where it doesn't exist. Not everything is sexist.
I do take umbrage at all the pregnant ladies with the ruptured navels. I really don't want to look at you in a tight, white t-shirt cupping your belly, with that look how incredibly YUUUUUGE I am. Sometimes you just need to use some common sense. I find that almost as attractive as the men with plumbers' crack.
There are just some things you can't unsee.
I miss the cute maternity clothes
So many cute outfits.
Now, it seems, they all died. Just wear the same tight tees you wore when you got pregnant. No problem if it rolls up and shows your (beyond bump) belly.
I'm with you on the outy navels, and add the bare baby belly. More of my 'gross' commentary.
Slut shaming?
*** EDITED BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT ***
I read the post too fast and... well... got it wrong as you can see below.
For real? Here?
Good luck with that.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I know. Right?
This is the very first time I've been ashamed of the site.
Who said she's a slut? THIS WAS TO SHOW THAT THE
campaigns are really getting dirty now.
They'll be digging into Bill's exploits too.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
See correction above :)
Yup, I bumbled on that one.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Not slut shaming.
Read the essay and the majority of the comments.
Whoever is attempting the slut-shaming, it has eminently failed.
Melania's nude pix (at least the ones in the Post article) were tasteful and the kind of thing models often do to promote themselves. Sex sells, it especially sells in that line of work, and Melania accepted that level of occupational hazard for the rewards of said occupation.
I was an electronic technician in the 1970s and 1980s, while CRTs were still part of every TV and every video terminal or monitor. Getting shocked was a significant occupational hazard of that line of work. And I certainly received my fair share.
Most occupations have such hazards. No shame about it.
edit: Replaced redundant term for intended one.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
1950s TVs had a “high-voltage doghouse” — beware of that dog!
And big ol' rectifier tubes where a wire with a clamp attached to a cap on the top.
And the warnings in the handbook about being vewwy vewwy careful not to strike or jar the picture tube, because it might implode.
high voltage doghouse
(OT, I realize, but..... memories!)
With a filament voltage of 1 - 1.5 volts. The smallest supplied voltage in the set managing the largest one.
The baddest-ass puppy in some of those doghouses was the HV filter capacitor. If the set had one, it would be good to roughly 35,000 - 40,000 V. When I was a kid, I found one of those. Carefully discharging it, I removed it from the carcass, and kept it. This was roughly 1973. We had the popular mega-shag carpets in the house then. This means major static electricity action, of course. And that lovely capacitor would and could store all those nasty charges -- a perfect opportunity for teenage boys' mischief. After 2 or 3 doses of major Karma, however, my nasty habits along those lines came to a swift and permanent end!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
LOL. One whole “farad” is such a handy unit size — not !!
Well, maybe if your cellar is filled with Leiden jars.
Well let me see
she is not raping or sexually assaulting anyone, I don't think she is using her position of power to take advantage of someone, this was for an adult publication. Yep I'm ok with it. Personally I think we place way to much emphasis on nudity and being ashamed of our bodies in this country.
Meh - unless Shillary and Co are up in arms over this,
what difference does it make. (The Democrats can be just as hypocritically uptight as the Republicans - if not more so.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
maybe i'm a pig
but i see no problem with these photos. they're even a bit artistic, with the harsh lighting and her brutal stare. she's a beautiful woman, physically anyway. onoz! the shaaaame!
amazing how prudish the libzreralz get when they need to demonize someone('s wife) for political points.
at least we don't all know she "gives the best head in hollywood."
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Surreality of it all - Hear/Read on arrest patterns at DNC
"No arrests at the convention" journalist arrested for being dropped off by a cab at the convention center:
Published on Jul 26, 2016
The official line from the police is that “no one has been arrested” at the Democratic National Convention, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. Protestors and journalists are being rounded up, handcuffed, booked, and cited all over the city of Philadelphia, and Empire Files host Abby Martin was one of the victims. We were lucky enough to speak with her about her experience.
The transcript is her: http://trofire.com/2016/07/26/rof-exclusive-abby-martin-discusses-arrest...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Three cops to arrest her?
Three cops to arrest her?
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams
Is this supposed to be a reason
that Trump and his wife should be disqualified? The presidency has looong been debased--by Hillary's own husband.
My only question is whether this is a coordinated attack
by the Clinton campaign or not. The last time we heard from the NY Post we got that interview hit piece against Bernie during the primaries, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the Clintons pitched this story to them.
If this was planted by them, it's insanely tone deaf of Hillary, since she claims to be a liberal feminist, yet has a history of publicly slut shaming the women that get in her way, particularly when Bill is involved. Going after Trump's family is absolutely uncalled for, however, and if this is part of her playbook, it just shows that there is absolutely no level to which she will not sink to win. I mean, she literally went to their goddamn wedding! Does she have absolutely no shame?
I'm waiting for the Feminist-in-Chief
…to denounce this misogynist smear right now — after all, this is the central pillar of her life's work, and it happened on her watch.
DO. NOT.
...... hold your breath, Pluto! We like you!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides