Clinton's emails, servers, Comey, and the Senate.
I am interested in what will happen to the investigations of Hillary Clinton's misuse of government records ("email") scandal/case. I won't be at all surprised if the Senate impeaches Director Comey and conducts a no-holds-barred investigation of the whole mess. I am neither a lawyer nor a seer, but I have been reading some items about the scandal and about the public outrage which lead me to believe that Hillary is in for a few white knuckle days. Strangely enough, the laughable Trey Goudy may finally be coming into his own as a former federal prosecutor.
Here is an excerpt from a Counterpunch article that gives a legal view of what is wrong with Comey's positions:
Therefore, with the newly docile Bernie silenced from any effective action, it was left to Green Party candidate Jill Stein to point out, along with many others, that — aside from the above analysis of Comey’s legalistic obfuscation of the true legal meaning of and limited proof necessary for the element of intent – there was one violation that could be easily understood and accepted by all. “All the elements necessary to prove a felony violation were found by the FBI investigation, specifically of Title 18 Section 793(f) of the federal penal code…. Director Comey said that Clinton was ‘extremely careless’ and ‘reckless’ in handling such information. Contrary to the implications of the FBI statement, the law does not require showing that Clinton intended to harm the United States, but that she acted with gross negligence.”
And here is the link to the entire article which is densely packed with legal reasoning and is well worth reading:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/15/those-damn-emails-comeys-politica...
I hope you find it as useful and hopeful as I do.
Comments
The Gowdy Boys.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Terrific cover.
I wish I had seen this before I posted the essay. Goudy was a clown in the Benghazi circus but this time he actually asked good questions and seemed to be on track. I really recommend reading the whole Counterpunch article.
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-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
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I Hate Relying Upon Republicans
Think for a moment. What would be happening now if Hillary was still a Goldwater Girl? She'd skate, that's what! Tom DeLay and his crimes remain unpunished because he is GOP, and IOKIYAR!
I don't believe for one minute that Gowdy left to his own devices would be nearly so effective. The GOP always calls in the experts to advise from behind the curtain. It's the only way they and be competent, having a committee decide how an individual is going to act. Ganging up always works against strong individuals.
Comey is himself a Republican. Obama is a Republican-wannabee. No harm ever comes to a Republican. It's only those who don't represent the energy industry who have anything to fear.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Great, comprehensive summary
The key legal issue:
In other words, for the purposes of determining intent, it doesn't matter that Hillary said she set up the server for convenience, or that she just wanted to use her old blackberry or whatever other ridiculously contrived excuse she gave. Those facts merely suggest why she set up the server, not whether she meant to set up the server in the first place.
Clearly she did mean (intend) to set up the server, because she wanted (motive) the convenience of having it. According to SCT caselaw, all intent requires is that she meant to set it up, regardless of why.
Comey however, relies on her lack of nefarious motive ("she wasn't selling the info") to say there is no intent. That lack of nefarious motive might be important should Hillary ever actually be sentenced (I know, I know), but you can't use it as an excuse for purposes of finding (or not finding) that she intended the illegal act of setting up the server.
It's a very solid legal argument. Comey is dead wrong on the law.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
OMG, that's great.
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First I've seen THIS reference
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
You aren't on the right FB group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1699656706954539/?fref=nf
Citizen investigation, good moderation, nothing not gleaned from our former press.
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And by signing it...
they also agreed to submitting to lie detector tests. Somewhere the actual NDA was posted. It actually talks about the lie detector tests in the document. Unbelievable! The last thing they want is some of the riff-raff at the FBI telling the truth about the elite. Nope! Can't have that!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
FYI, here is a link to NDA that Clinton signed
https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/documents/hrc_ndas/1/doc_0c05833708/c05...
Also, FYI I created a discussion item about an article in The Hill,
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4szuu0/hillary_si...
and the link to the NDA was provided in the comments. Finally, here is the article in The Hill:
Hillary signed on the dotted line — and then broke the law
~OaWN
Fortunately...
The Republicans and Senator Grassley are all over this story!
Sad that you only seem to find these stories at RW sources. Seems a good portion of the media just can't seem to find anything newsworthy about this story.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Wait a minute.
Hillary lies to Congress, the world, the FBI, and it's the investigators who have to keep the truth silent. What a world.
Hillary is going to get her ass kicked in November.
Wow, excellent article, thanks for writing about this!
that shows that there is enough evidence to charge Hillary for not only mishandling classified information, but to also charge her for intentionally trying to avoid the FOAI as well as many other charges. She did that Intentionally. There is no other reason for her to set up a private email server.
And IMO, the reason why she did that was so that she could also use it for doing business with her foundation.
How many times did Hillary say that she didn't send or receive classified information? How in the hell could she have done her job without sending or receiving classified information? She couldn't.
There is so much information in the article that disproves what Comey said.
And then there's this fact:
Obama told her to keep her foundation separate from her duties as SOS and not to hire Sidney Bluementhal at the state department. So she hired him to work for her foundation as an information specialist.
The other damning evidence that she set up the private email server so that she could also use it for her foundation was that Chelsea also had access to it as Huma Abedin stated in her deposition to Judicial Watch.
What other reason would there be for Chelsea to be able to access it? And I don't think that Chelsea had security clearance to read classified information either. And if she did read some, could she be charged with something?
The author also goes into great detail about the exparte meeting that Bill and Lynch had on her plane. That alone should have made her recuse herself.
There is no way that Comey couldn't find anything to charge Hillary with.
And besides this article, here's another one that shows why Hillary should be charged.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/287652-hillary-...
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Ha! Allegation??
Love this from the article:
Gee, ya think? It's amazing how they make this sound like it might have happened? Let's see, it's widely known that Hillary's aide, Huma Abedin, was on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation while she was in the State Department and also getting another check from Teneo corporation at the same time. And they consider it an "allegation" that Hillary was performing work for the Clinton Foundation??? Maybe it just happened and she never had the "intent".
I sure hope someone in the FBI is still digging into this mess. Sadly, I suspect any effort being put in by the FBI is covering up the tracks and making sure it never sees the light of day.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Hillary is so f'in guilty
The worst part is the classified leaks violated so many laws and should be enough to convict her. However, it is the Clinton Foundation secrets that would allow her to be convicted of treason.
What else would you call a sitting SOS who sells political influence to foreign governments for personal gain
Big Smoking Gun
Yes, this is the big, smoking gun pointed at the Constitution and Hillary's hands are covered in gun residue. "Out, out, damn spot." However, it is abundantly clear at this point that Obama is dirty up to his chin in this and will do everything to subvert justice for the American people. Exhibit #1:
Comey declines to indict >Lynch accepts Comey's recommendation after meeting with Bill on the tarmac >Obama campaigns with Hillary >RICO corruption case re. Clinton Global Initiative disappears down rabbit hole. There's no way this administration will allow any stinkin' Hillary crud to gum up his legacy. What that legacy actually is remains debatable.
Confirmed (2 sources) that FBI agents assigned to the case
had to sign non-disclosure agreements. Still sounds smelly, but that would be highly irregular for an investigation.
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The game is
going into overtime. Advantage -- ??
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
1/3/17 115th Congress...
4 years of Clinton Impeachment Hearings start and continue until she is out of office...
Mark my words...
4 more years of government paralysis...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Yes, this is the problem with the fight being waged by the
Repubs. They don't care about charging or discrediting her before the convention, when we could then have Bernie as our candidate. They will wait until after the convention, try to use it to bring in Trump, and if that doesn't work, use it to tie her up for four years. Sigh.
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If we're very, very lucky.
Edit: answering:
If we're very, very lucky. The 99% won't like anything President Hillary is likely to do for her corporate/billionaire masters...
Although the Republicans will probably support all of the very worst ones, especially the multiple attacks on various countries likely to end the world via MAD with Russia or some similar scenario.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Obama better pull a rabbit out of his hat.
This drags him down into a hole, too. Although Hill is using the "disconnected" defense. Can a sitting POTUS pull that one off about his SoS for 4 years?
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I have a feeling that
Obama's hands are much dirtier with the emails and whatever laundering schemes perpetrated by the Clinton foundation than I ever imagined... When he's out of office, it won't matter as former presidents cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed while in office.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
And get Secret Serice protection til death do them part.
I also feel he's up to his neck.
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In democracy, nobody is above
In democracy, nobody is above the law. Unlimited power corrupts absolutely - immunity from the penalties of all criminal acts committed while in office ensures that criminals will hold such office as allows for this.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It applies only to the presidency
An old constitutional provision, the history of which I have not researched. It does not apply to high crimes and misdemeanors while in office as Nixon can attest to that.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Thanks! Probably intended to
Thanks! Probably intended to prevent frivolous or malicious charges being brought against a sitting President by partisans/self-interests?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Nothing bad will ever happen to the Clintons
Ever! C'mon people what more evidence do you need? The fix is in, they have too many connections and too much money. This is America 2016, corrupt as hell and not getting better.
Peace & Love
I'm a believer in Karma
I have watched many evil fucks get their Just rewards before leaving this planet and the Clintons will get theirs. Hopefully they wont get to do to much more damage before that time.
Please Advise
What rich Republican ever experienced karmic punishment?
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Reagan for one
living the last years of his life not knowing anyone or anything.
Sure
Ignorance is Bliss, and by then in his condition, no one was more ignorant. Thanks for playing.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
The web is wide and deep
It seems that our beloved FBI Director is or until very recently was a director and board member of HSBC, which is tightly connected to the Clinton Foundation. Check out some of these links:
http://www.hsbc.com/news-and-insight/2013/former-us-deputy-attorney-gene...
“Mr. Comey’s appointment will be for an initial three-year term which, subject to re-election by shareholders, will expire at the conclusion of the 2016 Annual General Meeting.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundati...
“Clinton foundation received up to $81m from clients of controversial HSBC bank”
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/search/node/HSBC
It’s like a revolving door of money and special projects that the bank and the CF are involved in.
This is the same HSBC that was accused of laundering drug cartel money, was heavily involved in the LIBOR scandal, and who knows what else, and all while our esteemed FBI Director James “she didn’t intend it” Comey was part of the senior leadership.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I Bern for justice. For a
I Bern for justice. For a change.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.