and tickles in every day. I am willing to Stay the Course, but know that alternatives must be discussed and begun. Multi-pronged, bottom-up strategies, as many as possible.

I had the very same thought when I heard that Jill was not allowed to speak. And when I listened to Naomi Klein I was so disappointed in what she was saying that I had to stop before the end.

Yes, they stole the election and installed Killery -- why are we not talking about this.

I am way more afraid of her than drumph. I know what she has done and believe that she will continue with regime change and more war and so much more.

How and what can we do to continue? There are so many people who want to, have the energy to, believe that we must.

Santa Cruz county was the ONLY county in CA that went for Bernie the night of the election. The only little island of Bernie on the map. We worked our asses off and we informed every NPP voter we could on how to vote for Bernie. We had people trained as poll workers who helped NPP voters vote for Bernie the day of the election. We made our own fliers on how to vote if your were an NPP and fucking stapled them to every door hanger. We did a lit drop at 4:30 am on Tue morning to make sure again that people were informed. We were fucking awesome. And I rarely use that word.

And we really can't just stop and say: Killery cause FEAR. fuck this shit

A quick summary would be nice. Not just "please watch this video." It's 21 minutes long, and whoever is talking doesn't state her case up front.

You'll never 'fix' the Dem party. It is too crooked now. And Bernie ain't getting the nomination clearly. So it's time to start getting the word out to vote third party. If all of Bernie's supporters vote for the same third party, it could win. Why wait for this sham, rigged convention?

If you criticize elections for being fraudulent, as Sane Progressive does, then you must believe that the people voting in an accurate and honest process is essential to good government. You would suppose that Government is meant to be not just for the people but also by the people. I'd like to suggest that that is a very, very new idea, at least as a serious political direction. (And even among the ancient Greeks, who gave us the term "democracy", the idea didn't last too long in the real world.) So the framers installed "representative democracy" which puts a "representative" between the people and the state (between the people and power.

Our government institutions are by this time well past their sell-by date. That includes not just the congress, but also the courts, and also the political parties (dem and rep).

There's a wonderful little story by Kafka called "The Judgement" in which the dutiful son lives at home caring for his ancient, frail and wobbly father. The two are locked together as father-and-son, yet they circle carefully around one another, each wary of the other's power. One night the son puts the father to bed, tucks him in, and the old guy asks "Have you got me covered?" (Multiple meanings intended by Kafka.) He repeats the question until the son answers, "I've got you covered." Immediately the father jumps up onto the bed in an astounding display of vigor, places one hand on the ceiling to steady himself and points at the son with the other hand, screaming, "No! You just thought you had me covered!. . ." Soon thereafter the son throws himself off a bridge, with his last words declaring his love for his father. (Very brief synopsis, sorry!)

The point is that even old, decrepit institutions don't give up their power despite being well past their sell-by date. We love them, after all. (Sane Progressive sees this.) And all those old, decrepit institutions, like the father in Kafka's story, though no longer "vigorous" are still very dangerous, dangerous for us. They can trip us up and lay waste to all of our best-intended plans. We bypass, dismiss or ignore them at our peril.

I would agree with most of Sane Progressive's criticisms of the People's Summit. From the videos, it looked and felt like just another "convention" and we've had too many of those. This was not the incubation of a Third Party.

But I think that Bernie may be about to make a rear-guard action. The democratic party won't be "transformed" into a party of the people. Jill Stein is right and everyone paying attention knows that. But that doesn't mean that the democratic party is now harmless. None of our discussions thus far is looking at the power of money. If the People's Party is to develop, it will be outside the established duopolies, but AT THE SAME TIME these existing institutions have to be held harmless, prevented from doing their usual stuff to neutralize ("absorb") the people's energies and will. These tremendous party machines, the political parties, also have to be prevented from giving rise to a real "shark"/dictator/autocrat, which we can watch coming about in the rep machine today. Bernie is to this extent an "insider" and that's good, good for progress.

I suggest that he sees his role going forward in this capacity, and not as a "leader" of a new political party, because that's for the people to do. Of course, if the snowball doesn't melt in hell and Bernie is nominated by the Dem's his job would be easier. (Another literary reminder--at the very depths of Dante's Inferno, where we finally find the prince of darkness himself, it's frozen, icy cold.)

(Apologize to C99 folks if this comment is too long! *unkw*)

he plans to continue what he started. At all. My guess is he's making "back room deals" with Team Clinton to get a prominent speech time - Prime Time - and get some of his ideas on the Platform. To get that he's going to need to snuggle up to Team Clinton - which includes "support" of HRC if not an outright endorsement.
That doesn't mean raising the white flag of surrender. It just is what it is. The "Bernie Movement" never was about Bernie. He said so himself. And meant it. Nobody I know has given up. Including Bernie. Those that have just weren't up for the fight. This is a four year deal. At least. Likely eight years or more. There's work to be done. Those that were simply hoping Bernie would win and we'd all get a pony were smoking something. Bernie or no Bernie 2018 awaits. As does 2020. Let's make Her Highness a one termer.

is Hillary knowing that she can not win the general election without massive, massive election fraud. She has to know that we will vote for Jill Stein in large enough numbers to make it impossible for her to win if she is the Democratic nominee.

Won't even be close.