If done before the convention, gives Bernie the maximum amount of leverage.

Also scares Ed Rendell and his ilk, that there could be TROUBLE on the floor of the convention! We know there's gonna be activity outside, but this would put the fear into something happening on the floor.

Ala burning our draft cards.
Guess that dates me

And I love the idea of choosing a day to act together.

your argument has been made repeatedly over the last 26+ years while the dem party has declined in almost every way possible, I think people who keep repeating it should just stop.

Change everything from within!!!! Work your buts off and surely something will change!!!!

Yep, been hearing that bs for years and years.

I still think the Dem party is the best way to get structural change,

The Democratic Party as recognizable as such in a continuously-loyal State in 1975, maybe.

Sure as fuck not and never with today's Dixiecrats, Turd Way, and other such conserva nonsense in charge. In other words, anything surnamed Clinton or any supporter of the same.

We don't really have a Democratic Party any more; we have two Republican Parties, one called "Democrats" who are only mildly to the right of Ronald Reagan, and the nominal Republican Party which is becoming ever less distinguishable from Benito Mussolini's Fascists or the Spanish Falangistas of Francisco Franco's time. With one exception: both of my European examples understood full well that both unemployment and underemployment needed to be completely wiped out for their nations to have the strength their nationalism desired. By contrast, the American major political parties of 2016 don't give a rat's ass about anything but how to make the Wall Street Ca$ino wealthier and more powerful. Neither of them could care less as to whether the United States of America and its ordinary working-class people prosper or not.

Your saying might be true if we still had the Democratic Party as continuously-loyal States knew it in 1975. But we don't. Therefore, your saying isn't true, as the bait-and-switch Presidency of Barack Obama shows us altogether too well. Here was a golden opportunity for large-scale structural change, in the hands of one who promised us that change; and it was flushed down the fucking sewer in a huge wave of kumbaya bi-partisan compromise with the forces of right-wing evil. Barack Obama will go down in history as exactly effective a President as Millard Fillmore or James Buchanan, with a legacy of net harm far more like the latter than the former. We still have military personnel in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Guantanamo Bay's military prisons are still in operation. We're saber-rattling against China and Russia hoping to ignite yet another God-damned WAR.. And the so-called "economic recovery", what there is of it, is essentially a jobless one, only really benefiting the F.I.R.E. sector at the cost of all others.

And you want us to come together behind Hillary "Even Worse" Clinton? The one we voted against in 2008 because we already knew what she really stood for after the first Clinton Presidency did so much to destroy everything common working Americans had? And was confirmed when Hillary Clinton became the Secretary of State who never met a war she didn't like or that the USA and her arms industries shouldn't get involved in?

I don't think so. Truth be told, we're not leaving the Democratic Party at all. It has long since left us, in preference to the Third Way, the Dixiecrats, and Hillary Clinton's Wall Street buddies. All we're doing is offering to make honest women and men of ourselves en masse on the same day, so that the Dems' bosses hopefully get the message.

One other small point of order: You are correct insofar as our needing serious improvement in the quality of our lives. But tiny individual volunteer charities will have no effect here whatsoever. Only a total, committed, all-in, World War II style national effort can. And the sooner we trash austerity, incrementalism, conservatism, governmental inactivism, and timidity, and replace these with bold, strong national domestic activism on the part of our entire government, the sooner we can recover the kind of economy and national life we can and should have.

Of the three surviving Presidential candidates, only one has advocated any such thing.

And it's not Hillary Clinton. Or her Republican counterpart, either.

I really do. I'd be happy to come back when that happens.

But as a completely disillusioned lifelong democrat, I need to leave for my own mental health. Some relationships cannot be changed from within. It's like staying with an abusive partner. Simply by staying you are condoning it.

Sometimes you just need to walk away.

on "Makeitplain" this afternoon. She was very impressive and passionate that the Green Party wants Bernie and his followers. She has no less experience than trump (zero in both cases) but she is smart,articulate, and well versed in the issues and persons involved in government. I liked her point that with the Libertarians making a strong showing in the polls, a Green could win in a four way race (So might the Libertarian).

better than today's Dems in many respects. That is where I started out, many years ago. At least the Rockefeller Republicans seemed to believe in clean government. Just as I realized that it was time to leave the GOP because fighting as a Rockefeller Republican was tilting at windmills, I too am thinking of foregoing my Dem registration. Kind of sad to feel forced out of both major parties.

of Bernie challenging Hillary until she and her surrogates repeatedly, publicly, covered themselves with shame. Longtime Democrats, even people who have worked in their local or state parties, now want to leave, precisely for TwainDisciple's reasons.

And Halloween does sound like an appropriate choice.

I don't think I can hold out to Halloween.

I was leaning towards pre- or post-convention, but you and others have convinced that wouldn't be wise. I like Labor Day better than Halloween.

Great idea! In my home we don't subscribe to cable or watch much TV (better for our mental health!), but this would be a very effective social action, I think, as most people probably do write that big monthly check to the corporate propagandists. Dump Your Cable day would hit 'em where it hurts.

The symbolism is nice, because the chief reason I want to leave the Dems is that they have abandoned Labor to the tender mercies of management. I wish there were a Labor Party that I could join.

          With the likes of Pete Ricketts Nebraska is safe from ever being on the right side of anything.

happened here. The supers were campaigning for Hillary well before we had our caucuses.